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Hey, at least the little-one is getting people talking around here. I much prefer watching her make a fool of her self, than have the dead silence we sometimes see.
Plus, as a representative of the Tomassonis, she makes them look absolutely ridiculous. I'm really quite embarrassed for them. I can't believe they're dumb enough to continue letting her carry on like this. If this is the best they can do, Simmonds is going to crucify them in a trial.
Having slept on it, I'm starting to agree with you Chiroman. I think my statement that the Tomassonis "have made a compelling argument" is inaccurate. I should have said that the Tomassonis have told a compelling story. So far, there's very little evidence to support these accusations and therefore there isn't much of an argument. We'll likely have to wait until the trial before we see anything convincing.
I think that even if the Tomassonis are model citizens (as Oklahoma1960 seems to think), and even if JS is the scum of the earth, it's still not going to be a trivial matter to convince a judge or jury of that. JS has been doing this for a long time and has almost certainly learned a thing or two about covering his ass. It's going to require a considerable amount of money to make a proper case against him, which the Tomassonis clearly don't have.
Having said that, I'm highly doubtful that the Tomassonis have managed to keep their noses completely clean throughout these dealings. I mean, just look at the errors made and the lies told by the representative they've sent here. There's going to be a spotlight on every mistake, every failure, every lie, and every attempt to game the system. Things that have already started to come out in the court documents JS provided on his fanofacts site. It's already clear that the Tomassonis are NOT model citizens.
I really don't see the Tomassonis coming out ahead in this matter, but either way, it's probably not going to be good for us.
It's too bad that the only times we get to actually see what's going on with this company, is when someone sues us ... This fact almost makes me hopeful for an Enwise lawsuit ... And a Port Hope lawsuit... And a lawsuit over that methane plant... etc... etc...
Speaking of transparency, weren't we supposed to get our 2011 filings out by the end of the month? I wonder what the chances are that that will still happen.
I have to agree with Alethia1 on this matter... This isn't going to be good for business.
I guess it is nice to have some advanced knowledge this time (thanks fliier), though it's still probably not going to affect my decision to hang on and hope for the best... Which (as Alethia observed) is why I don't invest in too many of these penny stocks...
I don't quite know which of my offensive comments offended you, but sorry anyway. My Chicken-Little comment was actually directed toward Aletheia1, and I said that thinking he was talking about the old 7-page document. I wasn't yet aware of this 46-page document. I was so caught up battling against these guy's nonsense, that I didn't recognize that they had actually started making sense.
I agree, this whole thing is quite shocking... But surprisingly, not that surprising. It's really nice to see the whole story laid out. I'm still a little skeptical of the Tomassonis, but they have made a compelling argument.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. You do seem to have some great things to share, please keep your posts like these and I'll do my best to shut the hell up.
asdfghj
Thanks so much, I'll definitely be reading that.
I guess those guys are good for something, I just wish I didn't have to weed through so much garbage to get to the meat.
(and yes, I do realize the same can be said for me... sorry about that)
Aletheia1,
I am confused, the document linked to by post 7154 is only 7 pages, not 46 as you claim. I am very interested in reading your 46-page document (assuming it isn't another figment of your imagination). Can you please provide a link to it? Thanks.
If "most" of my 1,139 posts regarding this stock is defending JS, then can you please provide at least ONE example where I am? I feel I have been HIGHLY critical of JS, and I can't imagine that I have ever "defended" him (and no, attacking the Tomassonis or fliier or you is NOT defending JS!). And while you are at it, can you please provide ONE recent example where I have gotten "excited about any upward movement"? I may have done that a couple of times long ago, but certainly not recently. (plus, it isn't hard to see that I am following more than "one stock", though I certainly don't comment so much on the others)
I'm really starting to get nervous that (like fliier), you're starting to rely more and more on lies to achieve your agenda. Would you mind helping me out with at least my first request. Thanks.
f-liar,
If you want to "eliminate the BS from posts", then you can start by refraining from your perpetual lying!!!
CM was a paying member of IHub, IHub would not suspend the account of anyone (let alone a paying member), unless they had proof that that member was in clear violation of the TOS agreement! And yes, the IP information by itself is sufficient proof, let alone the credit card information both your aliases provided, let alone the fact that your fliier alias took credit for a Criminal Minds post.
And tell me why we should continue to try to answer your questions? Every time we do, you insult us, you twist our answers, you claim we are not answering your questions good enough, and then you refuse to answer any questions in return.
Alethia1, we have already established (over and over) that you have an agenda against this company, and that you are not above exaggerations and complete fabrications in order to further your agenda, so don't start acting like you are suddenly a concerned investor.
If you are going to suggest that that stupid little fanofacts-site lawsuit somehow accuses JS of "gross misrepresentation, potential fraudulent behaviour,regulatory infractions, and the threats that were allegedly issued"
Then, I'm going to have to ask that you provide quotes showing us where it says all these things.
Thanks.
Aletheia1, are you sure you aren't exaggerating just a bit??? Are you sure you even read these documents??? You are clearly NOT "neutral of this"!!!
The only astonishing thing about these documents is that the Tomassoni's were stupid enough to put their name on them...
$150,000 for negligence
$250,000 for conspiracy to defame
$2,000,000 for abuse of process
$2,000,000 for defamation
$30,000 for invasion of privacy
$150,000 for breach of confidence
All because the Tomassoni's didn't like that Simmonds posted public court documents to his website and bickered with the crazy Tomassoni daughter on his blog.
Aletheia1, as far as I remember, the only posts of fliiers that were removed, were those where he used management's names to refer to posters here... And even many of those were left up if they mostly contained other content.
But is this the post that you were looking for?
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=72152446
I agree this should be available, though I'm not sure how much of an issue this actually is... It really does seem quite frivolous & absurd. It'd be nice to get an update on the whole Fanotech bankruptcy proceedings... The "lawsuit" may not even be an issue anymore.
fliier,
oops, my bad, sorry about that, I guess that wasn't satisfactory answer because I didn't reference the right post or ask the right question.
Can you answer the question these other guys keep posting?
According to your fliier alias in post #7287, you claimed to have "found a lot of good stuff" on "dead issues" like "Essi". None of us have been able to find any information on "Essi", so can you please let us know what "good stuff" you found on "Essi", and where you found that "good stuff"?
Thanks, and I'm glad that you're finally willing to start a civil and open exchange of information with everyone.
asdfghj
fliier, it's obvious you're used to being able to "win" arguments by babbling nonsense until your (much smarter and more respected) opponents eventually give up on trying to stoop to your level... But I'm not convinced your (8-year-old girl) strategy will work here... Even if you're able frustrate Brad Herrin into giving up, I'm just giddy about the prospect of taking up his battle . And unlike him, I'm willing to stoop to any level, and carry it to any length, even if it pisses everyone else off .
And if your strategy is to simply disrupt any "real" discussion about this company... I'm not sure that will work either... Until JS actually starts revealing real information (which I doubt he'll do anytime soon), there really isn't anything "real" to discuss. So, anyone here, is likely here for the entertainment... And so far your disastrous attempts to outsmart others has been quite entertaining.
Though to be fair, I do recognize that I have no real right to complain... You seem to have noticed that I've pretty much given up on providing research and discussion directly related to the company... Maybe if Simmonds can show us that he's really working to pull things back together, I'll try focus more toward on-topic discussions.
You're right, there were some poor word-choices there... But this isn't the first (or second or third...) time this has come up:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=66729931
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=67309995
Instead of constantly pointing out posts which you feel have wasted your time, and instead of continually listing posters that you consider to be unworthy of your attention, why don't you simply ignore all the people that you claim to have already ignored?
Is this seriously what your defense has been reduced to? Playing infantile word games? A bit of advice, if you can't win an argument like an adult, then you're certainly not going to win it acting like a 8-year old girl... And the really sad part of it is... I'm sure that in your mind, you are still keeping "one step ahead" of everyone else... Just like the Tomassonis. Its too bad y'all aren't smart enough to recognize how incredibly foolish you are.
abbey2, that information is terribly out-of-date and really should be replaced... That was one of many failed ventures this company has pursued, with many more failed ventures likely to come... I think moderators are just waiting for something to pan out before putting any more effort toward promoting this stock.
So, in other words... You are, once again, completely unable to answer any my questions?
And sorry if I'm skeptical about your claim that these folks are "a few steps ahead" of anything... From what I've observed so far, they seem like they are barely "a few steps" away from requiring assisted living.
Mr. Simmonds also listed a huge amount of Fantotech debt. Does this debt have anything to do with the private placements you are referring to?
Apparently 'Seriously' wasn't man enough to discuss these debts owed by Fanotech. Fliier, does your giant steel balls make you man enough?
Thank you!!! Finally!!! Now we can actually discuss the issues!!!
As was published in a PR, nearly $2,000,000 was raised in a private placement of WLSA shares.
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/newlook-completes-sale-of-shares-of-wireless-age-cnsx-nli-1555817.htm
Can I assume that this money was part of your $4,000,000 total? What was being sold in the other two private placements?
And so what? What's your point? Unless you are suggesting that Simmonds kept this money for his personal use, I'm not at all surprised that private placements were made, or that investors aren't happy about their investment.
Are you prepared to state as fact that Simmonds kept this $4,000,000 dollars for his personal use??? I didn't think so!!! So then quit trying to imply it by bringing up his cars!
And the only time I know of where Simmonds called you Lisa, was when he was responding to Seriously on his little blog...
Can you at least admit that you are the same person as Seriously?
Have you EVER bothered to actually LOOK at any of the facts before embarrassing yourself? I have NEVER called you Lisa!!! The closest I came was when I made a sexist remark to lambone regarding your behavior here.
And, there is an easy way to tell if your posts are getting removed because of their content, or because of their idiotic pet-names... Simply leave off the pet-names and see what happens!!!
Report TOS violation...
Stating that my alias is that of the CEO, or that DtheG's alias is that of the CEO's son, is absolutely false, and only acts to disrupt the conversation, confuse new posters, and implicate management as operating improperly.
Your TOS Violation Report has been sent!
Fliier,
I really hate to do this because I like your perspective, but from this point forward, I will be recommending the removal of any post that labels me as JS, or DtheG as Graham. This "information" is absolutely false (as we have told you many times), and only acts discredit everything else you have to say.
PS, Why is it that you think that anyone who says or posts anything "must have some very interesting information", or must somehow be connected to the company? Just because sdsun has been stating the obvious (that JS's actions appear criminal), or just because I know how to operate the Google search engine, or just because DtheG actually chats with the CEO, doesn't make any of us anything more than internet chat-board losers.
Also, I challenge you to find ONE post where I have ever protected DtheG! I've politely ignored him at best, and have spent a good amount of time directly attacking him.
fliier, I realize that your entire motivation for posting here is to annoy and disrupt. And that's fine. But, is there any way you might be able to do that without using your grossly irresponsible pet-names?
You're the one who keeps talking about dropping the BS, but then you are the one that continues to spew it.
It's just that your little pet-names may confuse newbies into thinking the statements made by DtheG (or me) have far more credibility than they actually have.
And I don't think that would be good for anyone (except for maybe DtheG).
fliier,
There was more talk of your "balls", and there were claims that my statements were "bold", but nowhere in your diatribe did you refute my suggestion that you are connected or affiliated with the Tomassoni family or their companies.
Was this omission intentional?
Again, if I'm wrong, tell me so... Just post a statement saying that you have absolutely no connection or affiliation with the Tomassoni family or their companies.
I came clean about my connection, why can't you?
fliier, in post 7149, I went on record stating:
"I have absolutely no connection or affiliation with JS or the company."
Why don't you go on record and state the same about your affiliation with the Tomassoni family... Write a post saying that you have absolutely no connection or affiliation with the Tomassoni family or their companies.
I dare you!
Ah, ha!
I guessed that one right, didn't I!
And if you were "ONLY" a university student.... If you are "ONLY" somewhat familiar with Fanotech... If your interest is "ONLY" to further your knowledge in the business world...
Then why did you purchase a subscription to IHUB just to post that notice?
Defenders of the Tomassonis... Are you people not smart enough to figure out that you can post here for free? It's a dead giveaway as to who you are when you purchase the membership... fliier purchased one (for his/her first month), Gabe Tomassoni purchased one, and now you purchased one.
Thanks for posting that... What a freaking joke!
If anything, this action pretty much proves that JS did NOT extract money from Fanotech (as had been claimed by defenders of the Tomassonis), because if he did, this lawsuit would have mentioned that! If their only their only legal argument is that JS posted a website they didn't like, then they really have no legal argument!
Did you have something to do with this fliier? Is this the big "reveal" you've been talking about? Is this what you've been doing here?... Trying to pad your frivolous lawsuit by suggesting that the off-color comments from investors are somehow related to JS?
Yes, how brilliant you are, what balls of steel! <sarcasm>
fliier, I'm sure JS is looking forward to the meeting...
And although I do get a kick out of your assumption that I'm JS, I should probably state for the record that I am not. I have absolutely no connection or affiliation with JS or the company. I'm just another stupid investor that got snookered by his promises.
asdfghj
fliier, this is the second time you've talked about your "balls", and the fact that your identity will soon be revealed... The first time, was in posts 6951 & 6952.
I have never known anyone so preoccupied with their "balls"... What's the deal with that? I don't think I've ever discussed my balls on an on-line chat site.
And how do you expect your identity to be revealed? On January 19th, you said we "will find out in the next few days"... Well it's been nearly a month, and we're still waiting for this big reveal...
I hope you don't plan on actually showing us your steel "balls".
I think this dead horse deserves to be beat...
Thanks for digging up all this stuff, it's interesting reading.
I thought our primary "revenue generating assets" was Enwise, which fell apart once the tea-baggers canceled the ecoENERGY Program. Did you have a different understanding of this?
What does that even mean? Are you accusing me of being dishonest in any way?
Because that's the complaint I've been having with you... That you have been lacking "honesty, integrity and factual information", and have focused too heavily on your "BS and innuendos".
Just to clarify... The "unfriendly crossfire" you experienced from post 7077 was actually from everything else you said in that message, not the part regarding the CFO.
If I had to guess who the CFO is, I'd guess that you're probably right about Simmonds taking the role until he could hire another one.
What I don't understand is why you are so completely obsessed with the CFO. I mean, I agree that it isn't a good sign that we can't keep a CFO... But your concern seems to go way beyond that.
I'm starting to think you're right about fliier being Lisa...
It really does seem like she is so desperate to continue her love-hate relationship with JS, that she'll pick fights with anyone who even slightly resembles JS (which, I actually find quite offensive, given JS's terrible writing style).
Though I honestly hope you're wrong... It'd be such a shame if someone that pretty, was really that wacky.
What the hell??? You really are something else, aren't you!
Ok, I'll try to go through your statement one-by-one, but I can guarantee that you won't like my answers...
1) I honestly don't care about other's perception of my credibility. Any information I provide is accompanied by a link making my credibility irrelevant... That is the way EVERYONE should operate here!!!
2) I don't know who the present CFO is.
3) I don't know enough to say whether or not zone is correct.
4) I don't know if the "invisible evasive CFO" has a namer or a face.
5) Your "clarity of vision" is NOT perfect, or you would see that I do NOT "profess to be an expert in general company knowledge"! I just don't like others on this board acting as if they are!
6) CFO remains unanswered because I DO NOT KNOW!!!
7) I don't know of an "acceptable profitable rewarding exit point"... If I did, I would have sold long ago, and I WOULD NOT BE HERE!!! I would be happy if I could just break even.
8) I don't know if your list of projects qualify, nor do I know what you even mean by that statement.
Now, I think I've answered your questions and I anxiously await your misguided comebacks.