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Man I see why ONEBGG is never over at RB
anymore. Chrissake they have destroyed that BARMS forum.
No room for intelligent discussion, 1st and others try to flood
the place with their copy/paste articles. No real ideas
discussed.
Not to mention they have turned it into a freaking Kerry vs.
Bush foum.
Gawd - RB already has at least two of them.
Just had to vent - it freakin pisses me off to see abuse like
that.
Thats why I resurrected my private board over at RB. We get to
talk sanely like civilized adults.
Take it easy folks and good to see you. Hope my discussions over
yonder didn't upset anyone. Maybe someone here would like some
sane debate on the issues.
Oh so true - sad but true ONEBGG
if anyone is interested in further documentation
on this subject they can read Jon Rappoport at http://nomorefakenews.com/archives/archivelist.php .
Search the archives for prescription. Let yourself
past some of his more bazaar ideas you will find
compelling evidence to this same effect.
I believe Jeff Rense will have more of the same at
http://www.rense.com
ran across this yesterday
JON RAPPOPORT www.nomorefakenews.com
MEMO TO THE NRA
AUGUST 2, 2004. Here is a brief excerpt from a piece posted on the NRA website:
America Online Can Fire Gun-Owning Employees Utah High Court Rules
Friday, July 23, 2004
Self-defense took a big blow this week when the Utah Supreme Court upheld the right of America Online (AOL), America`s largest on-line service provider, to fire three employees whose firearms were stored in the trunks of their cars in the parking lot of an AOL call center in Ogden, Utah. In a decision that diminishes rights guaranteed under both the Utah and the U.S. Constitution, the court acknowledged the individual right to keep and bear arms, but said the right of a business to regulate its own property is more important!
End of excerpt.
So a corporation can fire an employee for engaging in a legal act. That should mean that AOL could theoretically fire a person for wearing shoes or eating lunch or riding a bike or being Jewish or black or Asian or having blonde hair.
I think if we strip this whole thing back to the essentials, a company does, in fact, have the right to hire or fire for ANY reason.
After all, no one is forced to work for a company. And a company is a private entity.
However, people also have the right to not to buy the services offered by a company.
It’s too bad boycotts are not more widely understood and embraced by the public. Because, in the case of AOL, it could mean a huge drop in business for them.
“You won’t keep an employee who legally carries a weapon? Fine. Then we won’t buy your Internet connection. You’ll sink into oblivion. Go ahead, take what you think is a heroic stance. We’ll run you out of business.”
I think the NRA is trying to solve this situation in the wrong way. Why bother to put up the 2nd Amendment against private property rights? Just run a boycott.
JON RAPPOPORT www.nomorefakenews.com
ran across this yesterday
JON RAPPOPORT www.nomorefakenews.com
MEMO TO THE NRA
AUGUST 2, 2004. Here is a brief excerpt from a piece posted on the NRA website:
America Online Can Fire Gun-Owning Employees Utah High Court Rules
Friday, July 23, 2004
Self-defense took a big blow this week when the Utah Supreme Court upheld the right of America Online (AOL), America`s largest on-line service provider, to fire three employees whose firearms were stored in the trunks of their cars in the parking lot of an AOL call center in Ogden, Utah. In a decision that diminishes rights guaranteed under both the Utah and the U.S. Constitution, the court acknowledged the individual right to keep and bear arms, but said the right of a business to regulate its own property is more important!
End of excerpt.
So a corporation can fire an employee for engaging in a legal act. That should mean that AOL could theoretically fire a person for wearing shoes or eating lunch or riding a bike or being Jewish or black or Asian or having blonde hair.
I think if we strip this whole thing back to the essentials, a company does, in fact, have the right to hire or fire for ANY reason.
After all, no one is forced to work for a company. And a company is a private entity.
However, people also have the right to not to buy the services offered by a company.
It’s too bad boycotts are not more widely understood and embraced by the public. Because, in the case of AOL, it could mean a huge drop in business for them.
“You won’t keep an employee who legally carries a weapon? Fine. Then we won’t buy your Internet connection. You’ll sink into oblivion. Go ahead, take what you think is a heroic stance. We’ll run you out of business.”
I think the NRA is trying to solve this situation in the wrong way. Why bother to put up the 2nd Amendment against private property rights? Just run a boycott.
JON RAPPOPORT www.nomorefakenews.com
From the land of the missing!!
Finally got a few major things taken care of
and life is settling down.
Hope to hang the hat here again more often.
Miss the comperaderie and intelligent discussion.
btw ONEBGG - u have mail!!
ttyl
Heard from Gary
I have been off line, I've been fighting Comcast.net,
hey suck!!!! They bought att.com and went from 43.95 a
month to 62.85!!! And they are slower then att!
ONEBGG -
Please email me so I can get you the website contents.
It's just under 20MB.
Once again, deepest apologies but -
when ISP threatens to shut my account down,
something had to give.
apologies to all but 2ndamndmnt.mine.nu is down for the foreseeable future
at least until my ISP gets off my back.
Little rules against running servers - Bah!! Humbug!!!
Busted!!!
I'll provide onebgg with the full contents so he may post it up elsewhere.
Teachers get preliminary OK to carry weapons
The Jordan School Board gave preliminary approval Tuesday to a policy outlining the conditions under which district employees may carry a concealed weapon on school property with a valid permit.
Employees must keep the weapon concealed and employees who legally use a concealed weapon on school grounds do so in their individual capacities, not their scope of employment.
The Jordan board will formally vote on the policy at its July 16 meeting.
Both policies are in response to a law passed during the 2003 legislative session, Senate Bill 108, that harmonized conflicting parts of state code. One section allowed concealed weapons on school campuses, while another prohibited it.
Also Tuesday, the board agreed to consider a policy that would not allow student travel overseas, to Canada or to Mexico unless a principal can demonstrate "the absolute necessity of the travel and that all appropriate safety considerations have been addressed."
"I would hate to see students lose an opportunity because the policy is so rigid," said David Stoddard, the district's administrator who wrote the policy.
The travel policy also will be up for a formal vote at the July 16 meeting.
-- Ronnie Lynn
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/jun/06252003/utah/69718.asp
Give Saddam the respect ....
he so greatly deserves .....
http://security.kicks-ass.org:911/soldier.jpg
Support our soldiers
Look up your local HQ and lend a hand. Even if you disagree with the war and the administration, you still owe it to our forces out there defending your right to disagree.
And, I'll admit - I'm one of those who disagree. gp100357 can attest to that!! LOL BUT I DO support our troops 100% - they bust their arses for me to be able to sit back here and complain about Bush.
This is some info if you'd like to help out with supplies to our
soldiers overseas. This list was provided by a marine in my buddy's company from here in NY - his wish list:
"thanks amigo, need baby wipes, dried fruits or edible stuff that won't go bad in the desert, eye drops, 550 cord, beef jerky, and other stuff you might think will work out here in the desert"
These are direct links to Army, Navy and USMC with instructions on how and where to send donations. I didn't see any places to send care packages directly here. You'll need to research out your local military divisions, battalions etc, or research the 'net a little, find just who is there and contact the Gunnery Sergeant about getting care packages directly to a soldier.
http://www.army.mil/installations/
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/questions/mailtotroops.html
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/templatereleaseview1/3ABB14EFABCCCC5685256CF3003C1338?ope....
Can't find the Air Force site.
Received a note from a buddy that expressed great appreciation for any civilians who help out our armed forces in times like these. He mentioned one thing in particular that was so appropriate - The "Think Locally Act Globally" concept.
"we need to localize to our area,,,,
any help their would be significant to calm the nerves in our neighborhoods....."
and a place where you can send care packages to help his USMC company directly.
Operation Iraqi Freedom
c/o Semper Fi Global
748 Merrick Ave
East Meadow, NY 11554
"..your efforts and those you influence go to benefit 2nd
battalion, 25th Marines HQ form Garden City and its residents mostly from all of long island and nyc..."
shure thing ONEBGG - I havent been over to RB BARMS myself lately.
Been over at AFFAIR having fun. Tough crowd there.
Wow ONEBGG!! You been Busy!
I like the way it looks. Like the two columns of buttons. Very flexible too - you can always expand by making more buttons a little bit smaller and still keep the feel. Plus you can change around images in the middle section as well for variety.
I really like that it has large fonts and it was designed to fit in an 800 X 600 screen resolution. My eyes are failing and that's the smallest I can comfortably see.
Some people might have different opinions but I say scr*w them - it works - it's eye catching - and it's yours. As for design - I'll always defer to the creator's wishes.
If you want to make money on the site, maybe a professional web designer would give good advice - but I ain't one of them.
The size of the site (in Kb) is reasonable - about 350Kb. It should download okay for folks without broadband.
If download speed is ever an issue, you can always downgrade the quality of gifs and jpgs (Edit them and decrease the resolution) a little. They'll get smaller in Kb and faster to download. It takes a little playing but you can almost always gain download speed that way with no perceptible decrease in quality.
I'd consider making your links open in new windows instead of depending on the "Back" button to return after viewing a link. That way the user closes the new window and your site is right there behind it.
Couple reasons - sometimes you click a link to another site - and that site gets redirected to yet another. It's very difficult - sometimes impossible - to get to the original site using the "Back" button. The user gets frustrated and needs to start all over.
Also - for modem users - and considering that Angelfire can get slow at times - going back means that the user will need to reload the entire site again. At that point it can get frustrating as well.
Go For It!!!
btw - I've been poking a couple more links on http://2ndamndmnt.mine.nu:911/onebgg lately as well. Can't keep up with the articles but every time I find an interesting discussion board or reference site I toss a link to it. Hopefully I can put a flurry of effort together this spring / summer and get some more recnt info.
I get quite a few hits on the site from all around the world - and the only place it has ever been posted is here and on RB BARMS - so you have some following going on.
Received this today - thought I'd pass it on
Revived from the Afghanistan war - but just as appropriate today -
http://security.kicks-ass.org:911/prayer_for_the_armed_forces.htm
It was originally an Email but I figured I could reach more people by posting it on my website.
2ndamndmnt.mine.nu:911/onebgg
will be down for a while - doing some re-organization and cleanup on my server.
Happy New Year to all here!!
Been a while - haven't had much time to write
but found another discussion board that might be interesting. It'll sure give the antis some ammo though!! LMFAO!! They happen to have a decent discussion board covering a wide array of gun-related topics.
Survivalforum - http://www.survivalforum.com/modules.php?name=Forum
Might be worth an occasional looksee.
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Some people just should not be allowed to carry a weapon
Police Shoot Family's Dog During Stop
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29942-2003Jan8.html
Read it a couple days ago on Drudgereport - the cop in TN pulls a person over and shoots the family dog - and the people were innocent of any charges.
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I found an awesome list of gun-related websites. Added to ONEBGG's site at http://2ndamndmnt.mine.nu:911/ONEBGG - you'll see it on the main page and a link to Survivalforum on the Discussion Board page.
Yes ksquared - up in your neck of the woods I can see it. I live 60 miles out on Long Island. Plenty of people hunt here, and we have many more deer than we can support. Or, put another way, we are rapidly squeezing them out of land to live on. I know many who hunt here but the overall community does not consider hunting as a food source and they do not welcome hunters openly. Too many wanna-be cowboys out in the woods for my taste. Maybe upstate is different but I can't justify the trip and all the associated costs for a deer. I got spoiled growing up in a place where you can walk out the back door with the 30-06, walk through the woods and set up shop in a stand.
What a rare treat it was ...
To return to the upper midwest. The place where fishing and deer-hunting seasons are celebrated as the summer and winter solstices were celebrated by the druids.
Where a man is judged by his skills at tracking, patience, and accuracy above most all else.
Spent the last week in Wisconsin. First week of deer season. You can still smell the gun oil and see the tools out on the table from cleaning and tightening.
The restaurants, grocery stores and churches have signs posted "Welcome Hunters".
It makes me feel more a part of the earth to be with people that live off what it gives them. Everyone loads up on venison and other wildlife and has no need for beef except on special occasions.
I grew up on wild game hunting. I also grew up with wild game cooking. So much more healthy over all than chemical and anti-biotic-laden processed meats.
Miss it since moving out east. Relish it whenever back home.
Just a note to all here that ONEBGG's site on my server will be down from Monday, Nov. 25 through Monday, Dec. 2. Wishing all here the best Thanksgiving. Cya on the flipside.
W's McCarthyism guised as the Patriot Act
This is along the lines of my earlier discussions of the Patriot act and potential trouble one might get into by going to the wrong place on the Internet.
See the "Act" has written powers for themselves to subpoena people's usage of reading material.
More widely publicised is the material being pulled off the shelves at libraries under the guise of National Security. But, see, they can also find out exactly what you are reading.
"So What?" you may ask? I do nothing wrong. I am a good, Republican, law abiding citizen.
Well, as weapons afficionados, we all may innocently grab a book on firearms from the local library. Maybe one which is quite detailed in nature. Maybe on some obscure weapon. Now let's say some bozo runs amok on a shooting spree with just such a weapon.
See the link here? Suspicion (and the resulting Patriot Act right to search and seizure of your personal belongings without reason) by the fact that you are studying that very firearm. By having taken that book out of the library you have just put yourself in the league with other suspects.
The following from Jon Rappaport who writes for http://www.stratiawire.com . His material is available by subscription only.
"Did you know there is a group called the Freedom to Read Foundation (FTRF)? In America? Well, there is. It's a legal defense wing of the American Library Association. And FTRF and allied groups have filed a suit to discover how many subpoenas have been issued to libes and bookstores---under the vaunted USA Patriot Act.
Subpoenas?
Yes. Because, you see, the FBI can wander into these institutions and find out what people read what books. Actually, the FBI can do this with or without subpoenas.
At first, FTRF tried to obtain info from the Department of Justice with a simple Freedom of Information Act request. That was August 21st. The request was never answered. So now it's a suit.
What books might the FBI consider "suspect?" Something, say, by Karl Marx? The US Constitution? Harry Potter? The Koran? A critique of genetically engineered food? A review of alternative energies? A history of the FBI? The CIA? A treatise on the origins of the Federal Reserve?
Indoctrination at the FBI runs deep. And indoctrination is not the same thing as education. At least, it's not supposed to be.
Support your local library. "
Jon Rappaport - StratiaWire
Birthday wishes GP and kia!!
Hope you had great times and many more happy, healthy Bdays to come.
Soirry for the couple days where the ONEBGG site was down. I was unceremoniously hacked about three weeks ago.
The guy would have had complete control over my machine had I not caught it immediately the next morning and stomped all over that stuff like cockroaches.
I needed to shut everything down like webservers etc to test and make sure it was safe again.
All clear from star fleet command on the machine after a complete wipe-clean and re-install.
Later all
Gotta study some more.
btw - researching computer security puts one in some strange places from time to time - places where one ought not go. Thus the hack <
ONEBGG - Most frustrating - between bad personal study habits, many extra work-related hours and family I slowed down. Think I needed a break. Startin back again now - hope to test in December in Florida.
In keeping with the times, to remember our fallen, and those who are defending our rights today, I present this :
http://2ndamndmnt.mine.nu:911/pass_colors.jpg
Drawn by an anonymous soldier waiting deployment.
Say a prayer if you are of the ilk, and if you have any knowledge as to the artist's identity, visit http://www.rumormillnews.com/PASSING_THE_COLORS.htm
ONEBGG - I linked it on mine in the Discussion Boards page. BTW - Like your site on Angelfire. Loookin Good dude!!!
The again - maybe it's not so bad after all
http://www.totse.com/en/politics/right_to_keep_and_bear_arms/index.html
How much freedom of information is too much??
Ran across this site when researching Internt Security. The webmaster intros this site with the quote from the second amendment - but methinks some here goes too far.
I have to say, there is some REAL great info here - several great politically oriented articles, NWO, interesting writings about defense against bio-warfare and lots of info on ID'ing and authenticating military weapons. A true collector may find much invaluable info here - .... BUT ... check the link provided below
U.S. Military Cartridge Headstamp Codes
Military ammunition in the US is tracked so carefully, that it is only a matter of size that prevents the government from slapping a serial number on every round. Ammunition is identified by a lot number that tells where it was made and which batch it came from. This lot number is placed on every packing container that ammo is put in.
U.S. Military Inspector Marks
Small arms of the United States Army and Navy bear an initial or initials which are called inspector's marks. These marks appear on stocks, grips or metal parts. Some arms, especially older ones, have more than one inspector's initial or initials.
U.S. Military Ordnance Nomenclature
You're sitting down reading the paper when you see an ad that Saigon Sam The Surplus Man is having his semi annual VA Cut My Benefits Sale. You trot on down to Sams a he's offering original .45 ACP M1921 ammo for $250 per case of 5000. Sounds great except you dont know what M1921 ammo is.
I'd be interested in opinions:
http://www.totse.com/en/bad_ideas/guns_and_weapons/index.html
Here we go again
Good Ole U Ess of Aaay - Pi55ing and moaning about guns in the hands of U Ess Citizens while we are arming the entire third world - you know - the folks that are likely to use those same weapons agin' us when we go into their land with our self serving political agendas?
(You'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader for this)
http://www.fas.org/asmp/resources/govern/crs-rl31529.pdf
ONEBGG - Sleep - a rarity when cramming for tests
Remember back in college? The late nights? The loads of cafeine? The books?
It's a great experience again - albeit much more difficult when pushing 50 instead of 20.
Life will be good - can nearly see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Never Give Up!!!
Feakin Nutz!!!!
Studyin my butt off, bizzy and dizzy at work and not sleepin a lot.
Hope all is well w/you as well ONEBGG -
btw -
I see quite a few hits on the ONEBGG site still.
Good 2nd amendment site - http://www.infowars.net/2nd.html
LMAO!! First Amendment Second Amendment Rights!!
http://www.terroristsupply.com/products/fun/dept7.shtml
DOJ Urges Prosecution in Gun Case
Thu May 30, 8:49 PM ET
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Justice Department (news - web sites) on Thursday urged the prosecution of two men who invoked a pro-gun stand by the Bush administration in seeking dismissal of criminal charges for carrying a pistol without a license.
The Justice Department said that the controlling court precedents in the District of Columbia uphold the firearm statutes and that criminal cases against the two men — Michael Freeman and Manuel Brown — should be pursued.
Reversing decades of Justice Department policy, the Bush administration told the Supreme Court this month that it believes the Second Amendment to the Constitution protects an individual's right to possess firearms.
Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) caused a stir when he expressed a similar sentiment a year ago in a letter to the National Rifle Association.
Freeman and Brown say the Justice Department's position is inconsistent with a court of appeals ruling in the District of Columbia, where they are charged.
The court ruling "remains binding ... even though it contains reasoning that is inconsistent with the position of the United States," the Justice Department said in court papers filed in Superior Court in Washington.
The ruling the Justice Department disagrees with says the Second Amendment guarantees a collective rather than an individual right to bear arms, protecting a state's right to raise a militia.
The Bush administration also has said that the right to carry a gun is subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit people or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse.
Due to RB's censorship of competitors I cannot post the link but it's on the site that means
You Always Have Other Options
at http://story.news.(insert source name here).com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020531/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/justice_department_guns_1&e=1&ncid=
Now this is a toughie. Born and raised Catholic I was taught to respect priests. BUT once our priest was sent away in 1969 for molesting children, I gained a whole new lack of respect for the profession - or should I say for the leaders that covered up for the profession.
The real kicker is that the defrocked priests are above reproach by the law and just shuffled away without further ado. Nice and clean leaving the victim to fend for themselves - and go to church to look for guidance from their new priest??? Bwahahahaha NOT!!!
"Man charged in ex-priest's shooting
Suspect accuses former pastor of molesting him 9 years ago; Blackwell removed from parish in '98 after admitting to sex abuse of minor
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SunSpot staff and wire reports
Originally published May 14, 2002, 3:45 PM EDT
A man who accuses a former Roman Catholic priest of molesting him nine years ago was charged with shooting the ex-pastor last night, Baltimore police said today.
Dontee Stokes, 26, turned himself in about 11:45 Monday night, saying he had shot Maurice J. Blackwell after the former priest refused to talk to him, police spokeswoman Ragina C. Averella said.
Stokes has been charged with attempted murder, first- and second-degree assault and handgun violations, police said. The gun Stokes used, a .357 Smith & Wesson, was recovered in the 4800 block of Greenspring Ave., police said.
Stokes told officers he had been molested by Blackwell in 1993, Averella said. She confirmed that Stokes -- then a teen-ager -- did file a complaint against Blackwell in September of that year, accusing the priest of inappropriately touching him.
Averella said police investigated the complaint and turned their findings over to the city state's attorney's office, but no charges were ever filed against Blackwell. The state's attorney's office did not immediately return calls seeking comment.
Blackwell, who was removed from his West Baltimore parish in 1998 after admitting to sexual abuse of a minor, was in serious but stable condition today at Maryland Shock Trauma Center.
Blackwell, 56, of the 700 block of Reservoir St., was shot in his left hand and twice on his left side near his hip about 6 p.m. outside his home, police said. Witnesses told police that Stokes tried to talk to Blackwell before the shooting, but "Blackwell did not show any interest in speaking" with Stokes, according to the police report.
When officers arrived, Blackwell said Stokes had shot him and told them where Stokes lives, police said.
Blackwell was pastor of St. Edward Roman Catholic Church at Poplar Grove Street and Prospect Avenue from 1979 until October 1998, when he was placed on an involuntary leave of absence from his ministry after the archdiocese found he'd had an inappropriate relationship with a minor.
Blackwell had acknowledged a sexual affair with a teen-age boy that took place more than two decades earlier -- before he was ordained in 1974, said Raymond P. Kempisty, a spokesman for the Archdiocese of Baltimore.
Police also investigated that case but did not charge Blackwell, said Matt Lane, another archdiocese spokesman.
Blackwell had been temporarily removed from St. Edward after Stokes' 1993 complaint. He was sent to a church-run residential treatment center in Hartford, Conn., for psychological evaluation, but was allowed to return to the church after the police investigation yielded no charges, and after an interview with Cardinal William H. Keeler.
The archdiocese also conducted its own investigation and found the allegations were "not credible," Kempisty said.
At that time, a panel that Keeler had appointed to review the archdiocese's handling of clergy sexual abuse cases criticized his decision to return Blackwell to priestly duties. The panel noted that a team Keeler had assembled to study Blackwell's case found the accusations against him to be "consistent and credible."
Keeler was among the U.S. cardinals who met with Pope John Paul II for an unprecedented meeting on church pedophilia in April. The cardinals returned with a set of proposed standards that would remove priests from active ministry after one credible accusation. The proposal will be submitted to a meeting of U.S. bishops next month in Dallas.
The scandal has caused several Catholic dioceses to expel priests previously accused of child sex abuse.
"There are no priests on active ministry in the Baltimore archdiocese who have credibly been accused of child sex abuse," Kempisty told the Reuters news agency, adding that archdiocese policy is to notify civil authorities of all accusations brought against clergy.
He also told Reuters the Baltimore archdiocese has never compiled an overall figure for the number of local priests who have been credibly accused of sexual wrongdoing."
The Associated Press and Sun staff contributed to this article.
http://www.sunspot.net/news/custom/guns/bal-priest-shooting14.story?coll=bal%2Dhome%2Dheadlines
Agreed colt - sounds like our national priorities get sent astray at times. Or the priorities are in conflict with each other. Whatever the case it is ridiculous IMO that we should sell billions of dollars in arms to countries that will in turn sell them to other countries who will ultimately use those same weapons (or profits gained from their sale) against us. All based upon a Boy-Scout-like "cross my heart and hope to die that I won't sell them to US enemies"
Bush's decision to oppose bill to arm pilots is great news for terrorists, Libertarians say
WASHINGTON, DC -- President Bush's opposition to a House bill that would allow pilots to carry guns in the cockpit shows a distrust for American pilots and a reckless disregard for the lives of travelers, Libertarians say.
"The president has chosen gun control over terrorist control," said Libertarian Party Executive Director Steve Dasbach. "The flight crews of the four airliners hijacked on September 11 were totally unarmed -- and the terrorists knew that. The truly shocking thing is that eight months after that horrific event, pilots are still unarmed -- and the president of the United States wants to keep it that way."
The bill, introduced on Wednesday by U.S. Reps. Don Young (R-AK) and John Mica (R-FL), would allow airlines to decide whether pilots could have access to a weapon in the cockpit. However, White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said the Bush administration opposes such a policy because it would create "a potential for handguns getting loose on airplanes." Instead, he argued the airlines should rely on federal sky marshals, stronger cockpit doors, and better baggage screening.
But more sky marshals aren't the answer, Dasbach said.
"The government would have to hire 14,000 more federal marshals, at a cost of over $1 billion, to put one on every flight, according to a recent study by the Cato Institute," he said. "And pilots fear that a determined, suicidal terrorist might still be able to sneak a gun through airline security and penetrate a reinforced cockpit door.
"In contrast, arming pilots would be an effective, low-cost deterrent to hijackers. But like most politicians, Bush reflexively chooses the 'solution' that requires a bigger, costlier government."
Libertarians say the real question is: "If pilots can be trusted to operate a $100 million jumbo jet filled with hundreds of passengers, why can't they be trusted to carry a gun?"
Instead of putting his trust in an expanded government program, Dasbach encouraged Bush to defer to the real experts on airline security: Pilots and the airlines that employ them.
"Steve Luckey, security chief for the 67,000-strong Airline Pilots Association, has said arming pilots is something that 'desperately needs to be done,' " Dasbach noted. "And a February poll of the pilots group found that over 70 percent favor such a policy."
Evidence also suggests that the flying public trusts pilots more than the president does, Dasbach said.
"The fact that thousands of individuals board a plane every day shows that ordinary Americans implicitly trust airline pilots with their lives," he said. "So why not let the people with the most at stake -- pilots, airlines, and passengers -- decide this issue, instead of a president who cruises around on Air Force One surrounded by armed Secret Service agents?"
If Bush really wants to demonstrate he's tough on terrorists, he should support the Young-Mica bill, Dasbach said.
"The presence of armed pilots would send an unmistakable message to would-be terrorists: Americans are no longer going to be sitting -- or flying -- ducks."
http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=579
Strangely enough, someone else has my same sources
because here, yesterday Jon Rappaport http://nomorefakenews.com made mention of the same document I posted - note that he correctly stated as I did not, that it's not only the US arming the world - Several entries in my post were also UK
"FRIDAY, MAY 3. RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES. I'll give you the quotes, in a letter dated April 23, sent from the office of William Lowell, who is the director of Defense Trade Controls at the US Dept of State.
ADD: The letter was sent to Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the US House.
ADD: "...I am transmitting, herewith, certification of a proposed license for the export [from the US] of defense articles or defense services sold commercially under a contract in the amount of $50,000,000 or more.
ADD: "The transaction...involves the manufacture of S-61 helicopter spare and replacement parts in the United Kingdom, for end-use in the United Kingdom, Australia, Egypt, Germany, Belgium, Norway, Qatar, and India.
ADD: "The United States Government is prepared to license the export of these items, having taken into account political, military, economic, human rights and arms control considerations."
ADD: Do these guys ever stop laughing in their bourbon?
ADD: End-user is a technical term meaning, "They swear they won't re-sell these parts to anyone who is super-cruel or unnaturally warlike or crazy or whatever, but we all know the security on this is a constantly leaking sieve."
ADD: Everyone nods and giggles and money gets put in banks and everyone swears that NO military tech or parts will flow out of any of the above-named countries.
ADD: And in the process, defense firms in the UK, who will build the S-61 parts, will make out just fine.
ADD: The $$ gig is global. It's part of the arrangement. Money has to arrive in EVERYONE'S pockets.
ADD: In the process, lots of nations and groups become more able to wage modern war, and this a good thing because then more wars will occur, more enemies will develop.
LMAO!! - We always thought they had weapons in Catholic Grade School!!