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If what you are stating is true that sounds to me like trade secrets of intellectual property that would have been violated and worse by the very own engineers that developed the tech in the first place.
And 'if' that information you are stating is true it seems to me that Voippal will have an impossible task in prevailing on patent infringement to these 50+ companies.
Lots of things come to mind. Technological espionage? Willful violation of Voippal trade secrets for financial gain? Were there NDA's and other agreements with Voippal that would have been violated, most certainly probable!
"IF" these developers sold out the tech that could spell doomsday and is serious in an extra large proportion. As a shareholder would like to hear more of this storyline. Please continue!
You are correct that "anyone can go look" but the missing piece is that apparently there are multiple ways for insiders to offload shares, "OFF THE RECORD". You will never find these reports except perhaps in a courtroom. But then again this will probably be looked at as "FAKE NEWS" LOL
50+ companies, many of which are household names, all coincidentally and unknowingly (some knowningly) somehow ended up using Vouppal's patented technology.
Thank you for clarifying the definition of infringement, however, the question for any shareholder digs deeper in that simple question of how did all of these companies somehow utilize the same exact technology at the same time? The immediate conclusion in the patent world is that a normal course of technological evolution paved the way, but to Voippal that is not the case.
Antedating evidence in the form of emails from one to another going to hold up? Reduction to practice going to be believable by a jury? Nodes in Demark?
This will be interesting.
You pose a reasonable interesting question that is so basic in nature yet in agreement has not been addressed nor answered here on this board.
It is peculiar that 50+ companies "STOLE" the Voippal technology, or was it that they naturally developed this technology around the same time frame? Was it simply coincidental that dozens of large tech companies all happened to be infringing?
It is also peculiar to hear that Tom Sawyer has sold upwards of 10 million shares of Voippal stock. Is this true and if so, why when we are talking about multiple billions in potential damages?
Five IPR petitions and trial, appeals process. Unfortunately that all equates to "TIME" which is a huge culprit as legal bills mount and company funds operations with more shares, private placements, and ultimately as some believe I would not be surprised at a reverse split as IMO will be likely needed.
I want to believe the Oil States case will have direct positive impact on Voippal but my gut tells me it is wishful thinking. It "MIGHT" affect Voippal down the road but the case even if positive outcome will not directly mean it is all downhill for Voippal. I agree the corruption must be stopped but when DC is bought and paid for by Silicon Valley it will be a slow go.
The transfer of patents to an Indian Tribe is a swell idea however that would signal major desperation and importantly as you ask, how will they be transferred, at what cost, and what licensing agreements would be completed simultaneous to this and if and when this is done would the shareholder somehow by diluted further by it all. My guess is yes we would.
Sounds good in theory but let us think about this for a moment.
Transferring of the patents to an Indian Tribe, is desperation and a hail mary. Do we all believe that any tech patent could simply be originated under the guise of an Indian Tribe in order to side-skirt the system? Wouldn't there be mass transfer of patents to Tribes to take full advantage of this fail-proof path to IPR avoidance? The loophole to riches? And if so won't Congress find a way to negate/stop this strategy?
I think it is novice at best to think that blatant patent law avoidance will be tolerated, and if this tactic is put into gear we all better prepare for AAPL onslaught in the form of more time in the courts (read: District Courts).
Any patent challenged via IPR could simply be transferred to a Tribe under another agreement to get around the patent challenges so it's absurd to think that this scheme is what will take Voippal for the victory lap. At least not without a major fight which will take plenty of time and money.
Don't want to get excited about something too soon as it is speculation at this point
I am fairly certain the sudden sale of patents to said Tribe, as a means to bypass the "SYSTEM", is not something that would work. Chief Malak and Co would have had to devise this agenda at a much earlier time IMO.
Yes but would sudden negotiations with this alleged Tribe offset earlier filed IPRs? I suspect not unfortunately or the company would not be in the current position.
4.5 years ago Tata helped test the Lawful Intercept patent and assume they knew all about the RBR prior to the recent patent being issued. Reading between the lines Keepem suggesting Emil screwed that relationship up somehow?
I would like to believe the India patent will drum up interest but again following the positive news the stock sputters and bidding at 2.6 cents toward the close.
One thing about patents in India is that any objection could end up in a 4-5 YEAR legal qualm based on other tech patents granted in that country. The numbers of cellular phone customers means nothing until they are past the point of being able to be challenged.
Again, to repeat, does this company have the staying power to battle for YEARS both in the U.S., Canada, and abroad?
The self-implosion part is the real concern IMO based on what you are saying.
I like how I am ridiculed for stating my belief in the company yet how I am deeply concerned as an investor that what most want to believe might not happen and if it does maybe for a very long time from now.
Yes I believe these patents are worth a lot of money. Otherwise why invest. On the flip side why not discuss concerns such as you are doing keepem. There are tons of examples of companies that only make insiders and attorneys money then the shareholder is left holding the bag. Is this one of them, we will find out.
Thank you for your personal concern to this matter and analysis of posting frequency and so on. No question I have held shares and watched for YEARS before posting. I will say it again, it is interesting (and sometimes entertaining) to hear both sides of the coin when the comments are good.
I do believe in the patents otherwise why be here? At the same time the realistic investor in me says that no way will Apple "ROLL OVER" without a long drawn out fight. This is the beginning you see. Don't you think that shareholders who come here are a wee bit concerned when they see their investment in the 2-3 cent range with no significant buyers?
The hoopla with MagicJack and stolen shares is nothing new and IMO "NOISE" that detracts from the guts of the matter which are the IPRs and lawsuit. That is all that matters. If one considers BILLIONS of value then 100 MILLION shares means very little in the big picture. $5 per share or $4 per share, everyone still a winner. But for now that talk is pie in the sky. We all know this will take a very long time and the concern being how much further will the road of dilution take us? I think 1 cent shares are on the horizon and the question will be how far to load up.
Now, tell me, what are you contributing other than prodding with no substance?
All of this legal talk is noise. It is based on the assumption AAPL is making an offer. OK, now back to reality
I think you're on to something VVVVVVV, 2 cents might be a decent buy but I'm still thinking under 1 cent is in the cards given what must play out. But that's just my .01, mon avis. Les moyens d'alles for Voippal.
I think anyone who believes in Voippal is in already and most likely over time some gradually sell off shares as they determine this could take many more years from even now. Despite the rhetoric here the reality is that Apple is not going to roll over on the matter. Expenses will continue to require new shares or at some point a new share structure all of which dilutes the individual shareholder.
The sea change at the governmental levels may be underway, but despite the rhetoric this may also take many years to play out and Voippal is not the center of controversy as some actually believe. The abolishment of PTAB would be wonderful but this will not be an overnight event in DC which is bought and paid for by Silicon Valley these days.
I for one would love some cheap shares but don't see it at 3 cents unfortunately. No real buying is going on and as time goes on and others bail there will be better chances under 1 cent IMO. Will not take much volume to get there, look how quickly we went from 14 cents to 10 to 8 to 5 to 4 and... all of this in less than two years and all with wonderful news
The key to your analysis is to put away the charts and ignore the indicators. Those stats are "LAME" and do not have the right to be addressed. Remember, it is a BUYING opp at this time and these prices will not go any lower.
In all seriousness the stock has been sold into with each news release and through the years each PR has become less and less effective. Some may say not really there is no remarkable selling however that is the point, one cannot sell many shares without causing tremendous drop. Is to the point that truly the only PR that matters are a) IPRs are denied, and b) settlement has been reached in Voippal's favor. Without these types of releases I suspect the upper-left to lower-right line on the chart will continue status quo.
Yes AAPL is a similar comparison to Voippal. LOL. Like comparing Deerfield Beach to Bellevue perhaps.
Such fury at defending something of which the main point is being missed still. There is no entitlement to have breakfast with CEO and board members. There is however a valid question as to why at no time ever have they simply offered to meet with shareholders. Even a video message would be reassuring to some who keep believing but watch their share valuation erode.
For those of us that continue to support and put faith in Voippal it is not a stretch to say that this would be helpful, nothing more.
Completely agree. It is incomprehensible that anyone owning shares of Voippal would have audacity to state that as shareholders we do not have any "ENTITLEMENT" to meet and greet with management. This creates a question for me in why not and why would any shareholder be so accepting of that. Downright criticizing and belittling other fellow shareholders, seems odd and why.
Remember how Voippal shares were never going sub-10 cents, then 8, then stuck at 5 forever and a day? Now barely holding 3 and intermitting days dropping in mid 1's, so as any shareholder why is the question when all events to date are such positives. Management could provide insight as to strategy and help create comfort within their shareholder base. That is not entitlement, it is necessity.
And for anyone to automatically assume the questions from fellow shareholders would be novice and beneath the management (READ: "SIZE OF THE PO BOX" belittlement and sarcasm) is an assumption that I can promise is off the mark.
I hope the Oil States case serves Voippal well (you hear that "KIDS"?) but am not convinced that even good news there will translate to an immediate boon for Voippal. Hope and change. Where did I hear that one before? LOL
You see, any reasonable discussion of concerns are always met with immediate objection. Read: "INVESTING ISNT FOR YOU" and other similar remarks. What is the point we are all on the same team here. We wish success for Voippal.
Which questions would I have asked, you mean such as "HOW MANY SHARES HAVE YOU SOLD SINCE BECOMING CEO SINCE OTC REPORTING (LACK THEREOF) MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO TRACK". Understand that in a true conference call with off the cuff dialogue between shareholders and management allow a personal factor that you cannot get from preselected topics.
That is the true watching-the-sausage-get-made and we did not get that in a call where the company chose what we were to hear. Understand?
In a world of prerecorded soundbites sometimes it is nice to hit "0" and speak to a live operator.
VVVVV imagine what would happen if a large order was placed to purchase is trumped by imagine what would happen if a large order to "SELL" is placed. I like you have held strong assuming the large buyers would arrive following all of the patents being granted and after such strong legal response to the IPRs and so on. But those large buys were imagination after all and scarier are the 500,000 to 1,000,000 volume days where 30% or 40% drops occur intraday. Then the stock "RECOVERS" to near days start on a tiny trade or two.
I hope November is the redemption month for Voippal, we need it!
You are missing the point. They "CHOSE" which questions to answer ahead of time. Despite you personally getting an answer to a question you posed the reality is that it was not interactive in that shareholders could not converse back and forth with management.
Superb value today of course. 1.8 cents might sound good, but to me 10 cents sounded too good to be true not that long ago. Then 8. Then 5. Remember when we were not going any lower than 5? LOL. Then 4.5 was a "SERIOUS BARGAIN". In all seriousness was tempting today to add some cheap shares but I think it will get even better unfortunately.
Corruption talk two-fold. One hand is Richard Kipping and how allegedly 100 million of his shares will be returned to treasury which will decrease the float by a fraction (over a Billion shares). Another hand is the DC corruption, bought and paid for by Silicon Valley. Some expect this oil states case to immediately affect Voippal but I think it is mainly wishful thinking. I "WISH" it would happen but unlikely as the titanic of a situation will not be reversed in a flash. As I and many here as shareholders have found out things take MUCH MUCH longer than anticipated regardless of how close we can all see closure.
Glad to hear the CEO of WDDD stepped up and offered the special dividend. CEO of Voippal should take some lessons and offer face time with its shareholder base. His dilution clause has yielded a ton of "extra" shares so perhaps the reverse should take place upon these 100 million coming back in the door? Wishful thinking probably.
https://ptab.uspto.gov/#/login
Go here and enter Voip-pal where you can complete your own DD within PTAB website. Whose lawyers will win Apple or Voippal. LOL.
Interesting post as it is the polar opposite of other posts here claiming the reverse is true. The issue I see is that regardless of which parties are the "CROOKS" it is a stigma that does not help the company.
I agree on the conference calls. They were not conference calls as there was not Q&A with shareholders. It was pre fabricated and definitely begged the question as to why management doesnt feel comfortable taking on the fly questions and having dialogue with shareholders in real time. Generally when companies use such tactics it is because they want to answer only the questions they choose to address which casts doubt.
Your question "WHY DONT THEY WANT TO APPEAR IN FRONT OF US" is spot on. As a shareholder I would like to know as well. The very least they could do while the legal channels work is communicate in person. Show the shareholder with 2 million shares at 14 cents or 20 cents that they understand and hear their voices.
We all are here because we placed bets that the patent suite will hold and be sold, I hope it works out favorably in the end. But from a strictly investor point of view the odds are stacked with the corruption in DC and it is difficult to bank on that system changing any time soon. We will see
You could easily follow up any post that brings about reasonable questions or doubts with a statement such as your "WHY DID YOU BOTHER INVESTING".
For the same reason anyone here has invested. We hope that the granted patents in place are key to voip technology and ultimately provide the payoff that we all think should occur.
I am not a head in the sand investor who will do my best to ignore reasonable questions that any investor should ask, which is the only reason I follow this message board. I enjoy reading informative posts and well constructed thoughts, good or bad. It doesnt matter to me who is invested and who is not, as that will not dictate what happens with Voippal. What does matter are things such as the corruptive state of affairs we have within the USPTO and PTAB and DC in general. Will it be unwound with one single case next month, and even with positive results from next month's case will that automatically mean Voippal will benefit? Will every company that has had patents lost through inter partes review be immediately back in the driver seat?
You are correct, I am holding the belief the patents will prevail but at what time in the future which is key. TIME. How far will the average shareholder be diluted while it plays out? And are we all prepared for 3 more years of what has taken place to date, if that is the case?
It is possible you know to have belief that this company will succeed but at the same time be highly perturbed that the stock traded 14 cents exactly two years ago now hovers at 3. And perturbed at how anyone who owns shares could possibly be acceptable with this. I find it suspect that this could be overlooked. "ONE TIME DOWN" LOL. If there was ever a phrase that sounds like it came from a compulsive gambler that is it.
2million shares at 14 cents is $280,000. At 3cents it is $60,000. Would have to climb over 400% just to get near, but still below, original price from two years ago.
Sometimes have to set aside the confidence in these patents and ask hard questions. The company needs face time with its shareholders and would be a wonderful forum for this.
Again some well stated points in your post VVVVV. We have a confessed crooked system but the flip side is that realistically this sea change will take a long time for the "good guys to win" especially as DC is engulfed in Silicon Valley influence. Kind of like Trump and his wall and other agendas which none have come to fruition and likely most never will.
This is my worry, owning Voippal stock. A patent expert once told me to expect 5+ years on something like this as it rarely makes sense for any small company, especially one that is not practicing its patent suite, to go after big companies. Most monetary rewards are won by attorneys not common shareholders unfortunately.
I continue to hold faith that ultimately these patents will prevail however even in the event that occurs where is this stock price several years from now?
You hit the nail on the head VVVVVVV "IT JUST MAY TAKE LONGER THAN ANTICIPATED".
I would like to see Voippal to the moon but the investor in me knows better than to believe a claim this massive will be over and done with this year, or next. That is my biggest concern. TIME. We may be right, this horse might win, but by the time it does what has happened to an investment in the company.
Voippal will IMO have a difficult time proving willful infringement looking backwards at current claims. I personally believe Voippal has a case and I believe the IPR responses are superb however I don't trust the "SYSTEM" which is controlled top to bottom by the very companies that we believe are infringing. There is a very low threshold on willful infringement and it wouldn't be surprising to see Apple, AT&T ending up being able to sidestep this claim. We may all think Voippal is a slam dunk but others in the courtroom may easily find Apple has an objectively reasonable invalidity response to all of these claims. And then what.
Remember the only value here at all is the possible gains from a victory and right now it's pretty apparent that much of the patent value will be lost without stars aligning. Being realistic the company might end up with "SOME" claims in hand and "OTHERS" stricken and more importantly is how long can this continue. I think it can continue far longer than the stock can hold 3 cents, or even 1 cent, so while I firmly believe the company has a valuable patent suite it makes no difference in the real world which is controlled by the likes of Apple and Silicon Valley.
Sorry for the long winded reply but despite prevailing in the end as CEO says will happen, it might just be that by the time that occurs the company has reverse split, authorized more shares, and spent a few more years. Unfortunately that's the rigged system we are surrounded by, invest accordingly.
IMO I don't think this is the perfect scam at all. I think it's a small company that has patents in their possession that are actually worth a good amount of money and the companies that know this are simply two and three steps ahead and quite frankly own DC and its rule makers.
It's much too elaborate to be a scam. It's for real but it's paper value only and conversion of that paper value to real dollars is the problem since what is occurring now could be only the tip of the iceberg. This could go on for many more years to the point where other new patents owned by other companies are more applicable in ever changing technology.
In other words voippal could be dragged through the mud continuously until the point they are broke and beat and to the point where other new technology allows Apple and others to move on without it.
Been following this company for several years. For the longs who read, I agree with you that the patents are a legitimate and important component being used (read: "stolen, infringed") by many tech companies; however, the grim reality is that no matter how UNFAIR the "SYSTEM" may be it is probable that in the end the changes everyone here are HOPEFUL for may take YEARS to be made if ever occur.
It seems that the only hope at this point is a systemic change within USPTO and as an investment strategy in a stock that now trades at 3 cents which was once 35 is literally a poor gamble. Tech controls DC these days, and as such it is more and more likely that voippal is drained of all resources at some near point in the future.
As far as issuing new stock it is already past the point of insanity but yes yes I know bills must be paid and law firms are not free. No matter the reason for the new stock it is an incredible dilution for anyone holding shares and why buy more. Another concern I have always had is that any company who issues or "SELLS" cheap shares must be accountable to other shareholders as to why they were issued. Why were they sold so cheap, and who are these lists of names that somehow provided "services" to the company and why can't the company provide any face-time with its shareholders. Basic concerns but as any company you look to its management, are they aligned with yours.
I think the company has some relevant valuation but I don't think it will see the light of day and if it does it will probably be after a reverse split or new share structure which in the end may only get back a small portion of what many have invested so far.
If I believe in a company and support a company I still must remain open to asking the hard questions, the smart questions, but if all I hear are excuses as to how such a company can do no wrong I am very put off by that.
In the end it will all end either very well or quite poorly, and with the tech grip on DC politics and the money that will be needed for this company to continue the plight it will most likely be the latter. I think Apple and the others are more than likely just getting started on the postponement agenda with voippal so even though I believe the patents are wonderful it really doesnt matter. IMO of course