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Handla I replied Merry Christmas 90% discount. I don't want your money really, I'm here to help not to hurt.
But you have balls and honesty, I respect that. Only wrong about Siaf.
Same bet Siaf is below $0,15 30.06.2019 and below $0,10 31.12.2019.
Two bets!
They have now failed so many "advertised" proceedings, also direct promises to the shareholders. Can it be that there's no consequences?
Send an email Handla.
Your claim is not concrete enough we can't work on that. Something about dilution or PPS is ok.
I'm up for bets. Of course he will dilute.
I'd like my payment now.
We can make another bet for same amount. If you believe they don't dilute next 3 months, I say they will.
But I'm afraid it starts to get expensive for you.
They don't know yet or believe dilution stops. Ignorance in both cases.
Handla I won.
Send me a mail at mark.jaidii@gmail.com and we can discuss about the payment.
Why defend management instead worrying your investment? They are robbing you.
TRW is the same scam, just other side of the same coin. They would have created shareholder value or dividends or something if it was real. All real life hard evidence points to same scam, same Solly, same BOD, same pay only in shares stuff. No customers seen, no harvests seen. How low this needs to go so you believe? 36,6% is included in Siaf share price already. And in that 10 million total value is already 12 million cow dung inventory! Game over, it's a scam.
The lower the share price, the more you need to dilute. I see that spiral kicking in soon and then other than sub-penny dividends become possible and there will be absolutely no driving force to push the share up. Everything will be downwards. They are not reckless or idiots. Would be super easy for them prove themselves by selling assets or push one *claimed* quarter EPS out as dividend but it must be all lies. Nobody destroys a company like this... ...only explanation is this is just being exposed to what it really is which means pretty much nothing but a scam.
Dilution statements weak, expect more dilution. No dividends and dilution we hopefully see next year share prices way below $0,10, Then the dilution starts really kicking in sub-penny Siaf isn't far away.
Divi announcements were purely manipulation of the share price. Proven now. Any consequences to the company?
Just save that €1000 for me don't go Christmas shopping too much.
Real life facts will bite your *ss real soon! =D
No dividend and pay Mark 1000 euros. Ouch. But you are a rich man I trust so you can afford to pay my small fee for the good investing advice I have given you.
I provided you facts: share price went down accordingly and there's no 10 million anywhere.
The company info you consider to be "the facts" is not helping you to predict the future or be successful with this investment.
When something really doesn't work you need to look at the alternative theories. The ones that CAN predict the future and can explain their behavior in rational manner.
I can also explain you about natural selection and evolution and then you can say lol you have facts in the bible I'm wrong. That's how it is with believers you can't change their minds even with overwhelming amount of real life facts, evidence and applications to your theory. Siaf books, reports and filings are you holy bible. Just keep applying in the real life investing and see how it works. -75% every year seems to be the norm and 1,5% to the book value. But hey of course they are real "it's just that depressed PPS".
You lost already from $1 to $0,20.
Are you serious that you witnessed some premium dilution and share went down -80% at the same time because of things unrelated? =D
They are selling the share for way less than market price. Nobody is that big of an idiot that buys Siaf share for more than the market price, come on. It's business. It's shady business. It's not nice to sell freshly printed Siaf shares to the market you need good margin.
And if they got 10 million from the sales, where's the money btw?
Got lost? Like EPS every time? Like cash flow every time?
Yes lets' believe it's just problems with cattle and some minor management issues.
There's no premium dilution LOL. There's always margin for the buyer and they pay LESS than the market price so shareholders lose more.
It was about -50 cent NEGATIVE dividend you got this year with almost 100% dilution and indeed the share went from $1 to $0,20 = -50 cents + margin.
"Premium dilution" LOL please...
Real world hard evidence is against you.
Everything i said about the the agriculture company is very valid. Not believable at all that Siaf has anything to do with it in real life or owns any real rights to it. There should many signs of co-operation and interactions but Solly never visits any subsidiaries or is never ever mentioned by those companies. But he goes to Sweden to meet regular meatball investors on several occasions seen there trying to lure tiny investments. Now how scammy is that?
And the usual problems that they dilute, they have no bank relations, the can't sell assets, they have no money, they let down promises every time...
It looks like a scam, it smells like a scam, therefore... ..it's just some cattle and management problem that 780 million became diluting broke 10 million company?
Come on, you got it wrong, we got it right.
When will you stop promoting this? If it's 6 months from now under 10 cents and no dividend has been paid, will you still be promoting and claim me and other critics got it wrong and you know better?
Won argument, lost your money.
It must be joint venture stuff as been said here and just paper works. Common sense says the 10M company Siaf owning "hundreds of millions worth TRW 36,6%", all Siaf operations from fruit trees to aquafarms and even 12 million cow dung inventory(!!) literally stinks to high heaven. It can't be real it's so absurd and surreal. Just look at how they carry themselves milking megaloan ideas and dividends year in advance and failing everything just diluting. That's low lvel low lifes stuff, not hundreds of millions agricultural empire leader actions.
It must be a scam operation and how they can use these names and have those ownership bits recorded there I dont' know. You see these companies NEVER associated with Solly/Siaf, they do their own thing and Siaf only publishes reports and filings.
If these were really Siaf owned these guys would visit Solly, their businesses would be opened to the detail by Siaf in various ways and Siaf share price wouldn't be what it is now and they wouldn't dilute and they would have real bank relations etc.
Use common sense don't find that one thing that enables the scamming. Other evidence against them is massive.
??? United states ??? Agricultural (didn't paste the chinese letters)
You have no indication of Siaf involvement with this company.
Siaf can not own it, Siaf is a 10 million diluting broke company.
Show me some proof the management interacting with Solly or Siaf in general? These guys are on their own and look much better than Siaf.
They'd be talking about Siaf if they were owned by Siaf.
Siaf has market value of 10M they can not own this company.
Solly would be visiting this place, he'd be mentioned there too.
Their corporate structure mentions NOTHING about being a member of Siaf group.
American Yili LOL and two others establishing it in 2009 has nothing to do with today or Siaf.
Market doesn't add this to Siaf market value and same applies to all other promotional stuff.
I'd rather believe Siaf owns Sweden. At least he has been there.
Looks like they don't own that company. Huge red flag. It looks like the company has nothing to do with Siaf. You don't care about these things here because it's not investing it's religion. That's why you lose money and predict wrong.
I highly recommend you ask Zero why your investment has gone bad.
Company profile says nothing about Siaf. The only thing is a small siaf logo on start page with some other "partner" logos like CCTV and Baidu where there's probably some minor co-operation, or maybe Solly has paid for the logo. Somebody should let them know Siaf logo doesn't reflect well on them.
Definitely looks like Siaf is claiming ownership it doesn't have (promotional scam). Maybe Zero knows more?
http://www.qhsjyl.com/index.php?s=/Show/index/cid/49/id/22.html
Dividend policy is non-binding.
They think they can get away because of that.
But they used it to manipulate share price and diluted 10x divi amount NEGATIVE. It's really ruthless scamming if they don't pay. But hey, dividend policies are not binding...
Of course they don't have the money. They just milked the idea for a year to print and sell shares at higher price. Even if they pay now what they did was totally wrong, diluting is the opposite of dividend.
Remains to be seen what happens.
One thing is for sure: if they had the money, they would have set the dates already.
Probably they start milking the idea again "postponing" the date meaning continue ruthless scamming on the idea.
First 5 cents looks lost already. Market doesn't believe in the other ones either looking at the share price. And those who know the company MO know that it is very doubtful they pay anything but instead just continue to milk the idea of "dividend maybe coming soon".
My guess how the CC will go: "We are confident that the cash flow from fruit trees business enables us to fulfill our aim to pay $0,05 dividend during Q1 or latest Q2".
Politician language and it means "you got nothing and we can't promise you will get anything ". =D
That's just added scamming on original abuse.
Again:
Dividend policy is the PERCENTAGE company pays from it's earnings/cash flow in the future as dividends. Very common to have that mentioned, but it's nothing to "announce", just basic information.
Siaf ABUSED the NON-BINDING DIVIDEND POLICY to throw out exact dollar amounts to fool the investors/shareholders/market, in other words to manipulate the share price up.
In a way they don't have to pay you, more so they never should have "announced" anything in this way.
Just goes to show how crooked the company is.
I hope they will get severely punished for this.
Their EPS and cash flow disappears every time. If they acted as a decent company they would have announced DIVIDEND POLICY of paying out 30-60% of their EPS. So now they could have set the dates already and pay say $0,04 from their claimed EPS. But the EPS disappears every time.
They can't pay cause apparently it doesn't exist.
What's the most incriminating thing is that they did the OPPOSITE of dividend and DILUTED 100% after the "announcement". 20 million new shares.
You got in real life after the "dividend announcement" $0,50++ NEGATIVE DIVIDEND they stole from shareholders that much.
Pretty disgusting really.
Read again:
Dividend policy is the PERCENTAGE company pays from it's earnings/cash flow in the future as dividends. Very common to have that mentioned, but it's nothing to "announce", just basic information.
Siaf ABUSED the NON-BINDING DIVIDEND POLICY to throw out exact dollar amounts to fool the investors/shareholders/market, in other words to manipulate the share price up.
In a way they don't have to pay you, more so they never should have "announced" anything in this way.
Just goes to show how crooked the company is.
I hope they will get severely punished for this.
Dividend policy is the PERCENTAGE company pays from it's earnings/cash flow in the future as dividends. Very common to have that mentioned, but it's nothing to "announce", just basic information.
Siaf ABUSED the NON-BINDING DIVIDEND POLICY to throw out exact dollar amounts to fool the investors/shareholders/market, in other words to manipulate the share price up.
In a way they don't have to pay you, more so they never should have "announced" anything in this way.
Just goes to show how crooked the company is.
I hope they will get severely punished for this.
Tesla is a real company, Siaf is a scam.
Tesla creates shareholder value, Siaf destroys it.
Tesla makes awesome hi-tech, Siaf can't grow prawns adult.
Tesla creates growth, Siaf's claimed earnings disappear.
Tesla does not lie about loans or dividends, Siaf does.
Tesla has bank relations, Siaf doesn't.
Tesla is respected and trusted, Siaf isn't.
Just a fair look at the reality.
It's not even proof that had to be dug from under some rock or steal from a safe. It's just an honest assessment of reality vs. their stories.
Almost 1 billion dollar company and it's management does not act and behave the way they do!
They'd have real bank loans banks lining up to become their partners. Not these internal scammy things with dilution. They certainly wouldn't dilute at 1,5% of the book value. They'd travel around to subsidiaries and customers but that's never seen, instead they fly to Sweden to lure some micro-meatball investors, makes absolutely no sense. Their locations would be busy. The EPS and cash flows wouldn't escape shareholders every time into some silliness. They'd be respected and have sensible P/E and P/B. They'd be able to sell assets when times get tough and they'd streamline their weird portfolio. They wouldn't milk silly "mega"-things and advertise dividends for years in advance and then fail, they'd just pay them.
It's so silly that it's not even funny.
Dilution, broke, no bank relations, no customers seen, no harvests seen, Scandinavian operation focused on small-time investors, not able to create any shareholder value, EPS&cash flow always escape investors, broken promises, multiple failures, the way they carry themselves = not billion dollar agricultural empire, can't go prawns adult, fishes dying, dishonesty, abuse of dividend policy announcements sold 20 million shares after, claimed P/B 0,015 not believable, can't sell assets, management never buys even at -98,5% discount just sell more, last quarter claimed EPS 40% of claimed company market value yet broke and dilute even more, on Merkur surveillance, been fined for misconduct, worst performing stock in Norway 2017, this year down -75% because of almost 100% dilution, reverse split history, -98,5% from the top.
What else?
How much proof you need to realize what's going on?
They won't come to the CC wearing "it's a scam" T-shirts and say they fooled and laugh. That would be the only way for them to get more obvious.
All failures are real. Next failure to be expected is Q4 dividend failure. And you will lose 1000 euros to me because of their lie.
Share down 75% because of dilution this year. "No $0,55 batch", no "premium dilution". All lies. They sold at 1,5% of the book value. So the book value was a lie too. It continued already, so stopping it was a lie too.
Soon we will have confirmation that the Q4 cash dividend was a lie too.
So many lies.
But this time the one who speaks the truth wins €1000.
"They stop diluting" = lie. Megaloan = lie. "$0,55 premium dilution batch" = lie. "TRW dividend" = lie.
Soon we know was the promised Q4 $0,05 cash dividend a lie as well. Looks like it is yet another lie, 9th day of the last month and nothing happening.
The ultimate truth about the "company" may never be known fully but Zero has not lied but given good investing advice focusing on the enormous problems with honesty and figures vs. reality.
If they don't pay he cash dividend do you feel the company speaks the truth and Zero lies?
There's no price floor for diluting nonsense reports stock. It is a share of what? Share of debt, dilution and silly reports that the market doesn't believe at all or value at 1,5%?
It's over already, everybody knows. Claimed "500M magadeal" coming and share didn't go up at all.
Trust is gone, money is missing as always and betrayed promises just replaced with new ones. Dilution in between.
It's total madness to own this.
No income + dilution is a sure bet for it to go down in the long run.
Even if the remaining investment $ amount was small, even insignificant to you (which I doubt because you write here), why do you want to reward the ones who fooled you by gathering extra losses to benefit their share sales? Promoting, loyalty or belief won't work.
Selling is the only that will benefit yourself.
The direction is down and there is no price floor for a scam like this, the reality has shown you that already. The experience the lessons are there already.
Why support something like this and lose money doing it?
Down 75% because of 100% dilution this year.
Stock price up $0,007 yesterday is not very relevant.
All major drops in share price have been because of the company management diluting it's shareholders or breaking their own promises.
Blaming "internet lies" for the depressed share price is completely off and ridiculous. True internet lies have been $30 value and $100 party etc.Those who have been critical have been right. If the things the company claims to have are true it would be super easy for them to prove themselves. Selling 0,3% assets would give you a $0,05 dividend LOL. However they are completely impotent with their actions, can't create believable shareholder value or just pay that dividend without funny business and year long promising periods continued by probably just as long delaying period... And heavy dilution in between.
This year the 75% downhill is very clearly attributable to the almost 100% dilution. Also promised "TRW dividend failure, previously "megaloan" failure, etc. All company's own actions and lies and failures. Completely delusional to blame those people who have actually predicted these things would happen.
The company will dilute going forward.
The reasons are:
-it's their only proven business and means of income
-they have done it in the past and have no shame doing it
-they are in more need of cash than ever with Merkur fine, dividend pressure etc.
-they've done it before, they just started it again, it's only logical it will continue.