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Running a scam questions get tough.
Last six months showed already triway is a scam. No dividend, no money, crazy dilution.
Amazing this Monty Python Black Knight attitude. Arms and legs hacked off and claiming its just a flesh wound and tomorrow has promise. This is 100% proven scam that has broken every promise and is 98% down. It has persistent marketing department here, nothing else.
Whether you buy a stock for 1 cent or one dollar, newly issued shares dilute your share of the company smaller. No exceptions.
This pseudoscience of Siaf to mislead forum members is getting ridiculous. "premium dilution" "non-dilutive dilution" OMG
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Non-dilutive dilution and imaginary assets, come on. Wake up. That's the thickest BS I have ever heard.
If you take these "facts" you are being fed by the scamsters I can only say that you are excellent at ignoring the real world and sinking just deeper in the fairy tale land of the scam.
They are broke with no bank relations, dilute like crazy, fishes got bacteria and prawns didn't grow when they tried to stage some front farming. Assets are an obvious lie to the civilized world at p/b 0,02, management is one psychopath who is a moron also. Even if given 100 million dollars he couldn't make a fisheries farm/prawn growing work.
I looked at this 1 year ago and it looked like a scam. I was only 80% sure at that time. Now it's not 99,9%, it's full 100%.
Game over.
It's been a wild ride here. No stop losses, red flags ridiculed, warning signs ignored. And constant dilution is not even a warning sign, it's somebody already currently and constantly harming you.. All ignored...
How and why did you miss that? Good question.
-88% is reality last 12 months.
14 million shares dilution in last 6 months is reality.
I don't have any losses because I never owned Siaf. You having heavy losses must be reality.
In the fairy tale land death spiral of share price and dilution are not real. And losses are not real. It will be sunshine tomorrow. =D
In the real world we see tomorrow that there's more Siaf shares again.
Siaf has been proven a scam already, market doesn't believe the assets. Nobody believes the profits they claim, it's p/b 0,02. Banks don't give money, no harvests and investors have lost their money.
No trw dividend, no loan, no future. Only dilution.
It's game over already.
Except in the fairy tale land.
We don't have to wait and see, we saw it already. Mark-J, educated world and the market doesn't believe Siaf books or stories and we were right.
No loan, no trw dividend, no money, just more and more dilution.
We saw it already.
It's down almost 88% in one year. I have been here about that long telling this will go down.
We saw it already. It went down already.
And we will see more of it.
You see the past behavior is the best prediction of the future behavior.
And if something looks like a scam, smells like a scam and dilutes like a scam... ..it probably is a scam.
I understand, market understands, loan sharks who sell right away understand, the company understands that's why they print and sell stocks 2% of the claimed book value.
Another 6 months and it will be down another 70% from today's price.
And I have not posted BS, things have gone the way I have said they would go. You will see after 6 months that I was right again.
Things that are BS in fact: the book value and their claimed earnings. If they were true, they certainly would not have to dilute and they wouldn't want to dilute.
The company is not about prawns and fishes. They didn't grow and they died.
The company is about dilution. That grows and that does not die.
Abnormal and illegal. They have not financed anything. They have lost 70% of the company value.
It is a dilution scam.
If they need money they can sell assets. But assets are not real. And there is no business.
Dilution just proves all that. Nothing goes forward, shareholders just being ATM for them.
History proves that and future looks even worse.
It certainly is not valid reason to dilute 1/3 of the whole share base 14 million shares in 6 months. Years later. And it's not stopping.
It's been "0,55 batch" excuse now for more than six months and in that time share price has come down 70%.
It is ok to lose 70% of the company value because there is a "0,55 batch"? =D
It's a dilution scam and the "0,55 batch" is just the most pathetic excuse to use shareholders as an ATM.
I do wonder why I see no shareholders complain about it here? Seems like everybody is perfectly happy to lose money. Interesting.
"The 0,55 batch" is one more story in their line of stories. It's just dilution, their ATM. This year they have sold some 14 million shares. That's not "0,55 batch". That's something totally different than a bump in the road.
27 million shares to 41 million shares. So they have dilution sold more than 1/3 of the company in practical sense. Loan sharks need big discounts so 1/3 of Siaf, 1/3 of their "trw share", 1/3 of CA, 1/3 of their cattle and whatever businesses, 1/3 of everything has been sold for I think about 2-3 million dollars. So management knows the company is not even worth half of the current market value..
And nobody wants 1/3 of the company for that price, shares have been dumped immediately. Buyers know too. That should be a real eye opener...
0,5 million at $0,26. 0,005 million at $0,30. And the dilution scam goes on.
It's about dilution rate. Today more dilution again. They don't even care anymore how fraudulent they look, they are not hiding it's a scam. Everybody knows. Your charts don't apply it's a free fall, the true value is $0.00.
If you want to earn short term you got to buy after big dilution drop and guess right that there will be couple of weeks without dilution so it will recover a bit before next dilution. With good luck they publish some fake news during that time to give +5% extra.
In the long run it's always going to be towards true value $0.00.
Replace "TRW" with "Nigerian treasure" and replace "capex building" with "money transfer costs to Nigeria" and you start to understand why everybody has lost their money on Siaf.
Link was dead.
Keep on dreaming that whatever that was there or wasn't has something to do with Siaf in real life.
Nobody gives a flying **** about JFD JHST JHMC or other combinations of letters. It's not Siaf.
Send a link where Solly shakes hands with these people, the news mentions Siaf, and you have something.
Grasping at straws with these, useless...
The market knows, their prawns don't grow, their fishes die, they have no harvests and they are flat broke and co operate with nobody in real life.
From all warning signs ignored, red flags ridiculed and investing rules thrown out the window the logical outcome is: Heaven help us.
Heaven will not help you. The shit is in the pants already, all you can do is stop participating in this madness, it's a dilution scam. Heaven has punished you already for promoting a disgusting scam operation, participating in it furthermore won't make the heavens any happier. Vice versa.
The forum main scamsters hyped and psyched everyone "not to sell at these prices". It's again, as always, "at these prices" situation.. You didn't sell before, how did it work for you? So yes, the only sensible thing is to sell.
The company is worth nothing, it's worth minus. They steal investors money that's all.
Oops yes they print at 2% of the book value at the moment and loan sharks dump the stocks right away.
Translated to English: do not buy it's a dilution scam.
It surely is mind boggling.
Just the dilution alone at 0,2% of the book value should be enough for anyone. Then the book value itself, they must lie. Now you know they are dishonest + steal + lie. Amazing combination.
Then add the circumstantial evidence, fake looking locations, no harvests, broken promises, no bank relations, constant need of loan while diluting, always broke, corporate structure nonsense, etc..
It is as obvious as obvious gets. Only thing they could do more is to wear t-shirts that say "we lie" and write a confession in the next Q-report. Even so bunch of people here would start to speculate the upsides of it and see turn upwards being close.
-97,25% in 3 years and going down. Constant dilution. The most obvious scam ever. Chinese 75-year old with dying fishes and prawns that don't grow, with no bank relations and constant dilution made you believe. All it took was cooked books and stories. He didn't even promise you anything, actually he promised to dilute you. But in your greed you wanted to believe that the cooked books were real. Warning signs were everywhere, actual warnings also, common sense.
Chinese 75-year old didn't fool you much, this forum did. Now you are part of it. That's a sad story about Chinese scams and internet forums where greed accumulates and foolish hype rises onto a new level with peer support.
Somebody should write a book about this, the hype here on this forum when the foolishness was at max level was quite amazing. The pseudoscience of the completely cooked story books, the triggers, $100 party, the megafarm, megaloans and megadeals.. ...that was pretty amazing indeed.
Never stop, never learn, never admit. Never succeed.
Life of the remaining Siaf nuts.
It's just a low level Chinese agricultural scam. They ate all the baits and speculated here for years with the pseudoscience finding positive on the fake reports. Sounded so intelligent at best and big promises of riches. But... Ended up being fooled by 75 year old Chinese chain smoker. And they can't admit it, it got to their self esteem. Some cope by not admitting anything like the Monty Python Black Knight.
Sane people just adjusted and sold. Nut cases still promote.
The Monthy Python black knights fighting for Siaf. Never ends. Arms cut off, legs cut off, or should i say diluted away..
Their staged front operations at where their expert sits have produced only failure to grow prawns and fishes dying with bacteria. Laughable. They are not competent even as hobbyists. They even admit it.
It's just a scam that keeps on diluting. Printing and selling and diluting, shareholders pay. This they don't admit but anyone can see it.
How come you never get tired of spreading this "hope filled" disinformation to lure in people into this scam?
It is perhaps the most easily recognizable scam in the history of investing, CEO being total dork, they succeed at nothing and dilute constantly, stock down 95%+ and going down more.
Dilution is no surprise, that's true. They have no intention to create shareholder value. They couldn't even if they tried. They do the opposite, they dilute. It's a low level chinese agricultural scam. They have failed miserably when they have tried to stage a little bit farming, results have been laughable. Shrimps not growing, fishes dying at their "headquarters". Yet people still have faith that "somewhere else" everything is mega-scale and awesome. It's just stories for the blue-eyed investors. Cooked books and stories.
They just release BS projections of the future, play with corporate structure and release numbers that have nothing to do with their company. That is the marketing of the scam.
And they dilute. That is the earning logic of the scam.
It's just an ATM for them. Sitting back and waiting has never worked, the dilution takes care of that and there can't be any real driving news because they have no competence in the field they claim to operate.
Proven a thousand times. It's just a scam.
They want to feed these ideas because of desperation, trying to talk stock up. Fooled here on the forum to not to sell "at these prices" for years, their testicles have dropped off, they can't sell, they can only work for the peer support group's insane goal here just to keep talking it up. It won't work of course but it's hilarious to watch because they never learn, never admit, never adjust. It's just stupid progressively getting more stupid. And desperate. And poor.
Under normal conditions this would be sad, but people promoting scam surely deserve this. I just hope they buy more.
They print and sell stocks. That's the business. It's a scam.
They surely don't have money for dividends and they print stocks to make income for themselves. There's no capex building, unfortunate debt settlements etc. it's all rubbish for unwary investors. To keep you thinking MAYBE there will be an upside.
There won't be any upside. It is a simple chinese agrocultural tax free scam for dummies. They print stock and if you bought you are the dummy.
Dilution has brought the stock down. The shorts are in your imagination. Dilution tells not to trust them, tells they don't have money, tells they have no real bank relations, tells they don't even themselves believe in their assets or businesses selling at 2% of book value etc.
You are beating a dead horse.
It was over a long time ago.
It was just a trick to stop the lawsuit and death spiral.
It is just a dilution scam, they certainly don't have any other income coming their way.
They just announced this so they can run their dilution machine better for the time being.
I will bet 1000 euros against anyone claiming he will have the cash dividend in his account this year.
Collapsing PPS is the RESULT from scamming and diluting.
From my earlier message:
You must factor in all the evidence this being just stock selling operation.
-irrational insane dilution
-After all these years prawns don't grow, no competence.
-CEO is not competent at all in any way.
-no promised triway dividend.
-announced dividend without date, not based on profits, emergency break?
-over complicated corporate structure where cash flows "disappear" out of reach of the shareholders
-market not believing assets/businesses (P/E 0,11, P/B 0,02), it's not failures, it's fake.
-fake looking locations
-irrational business model with everything from cow dung fertilizer to prawns they can't grow.
-no evidence of harvests or clients, CEO just after "investors".
All this above is just crazy if they really have the businesses they claim.
All this makes perfect sense if it's just a stock selling operation with assets and "business collection" as facade for main operation.
It's a busted scam, that's what i wanted to communicate.
Reported numbers are not real. Dilution and value loss are real. It has been always like that. And share price will go down more and more...
Q1 facts: 20% dilution, market value loss 50%.
These are the real facts.
Your facts are unreal numbers for unwary blue-eyed novice investors. Not real. $0,17 Q1 from $0,35 market value company hahahaha. =D
Posts with endless scam sellers are a must because otherwise they lure in new "investors" to the scam.
Stop with the "triggers" and other speculations that history has always shown wrong. It's just a scam.
It's not bashing. It's the truth.
All the positive from $100 party and mega deals and mega loans have been lies.
Create a whatsapp-group if you need peer support.
Publicly promoting this scam is just not ok.
We will intervene regularly, enough is enough with this scam.
You made wrong decision. I have made those too. I did with Seadrill and Carillion. I sold after 30% loss or something like that. I didn't go into those forums cheering how awesome the companies are, what triggers are coming and all that BS.
I don't know if this forum without voice of reason is important for you because of the peer support, if somebody is paid by the company to promote this here, or if some just want only positive in hope their investment goes up..
But it looks more like a scam than ever, dilution is totally crazy, so no...
I'm not moving on. I don't want people here produce anymore those zombies that came to our local forum.
Enough is enough. If it looks like a scam, smells like a scam and makes you losses like a scam... ...it's a scam.
I'm here because when i first looked into this i felt it's a scam. Numbers compared to accomplishments were unreal. It was discussed (sold) on our local forum, i made good remarks in various ways trying discuss why nobody should buy after i had looked into it a bit.
But there were people who were just denying everything, when i asked don't all these red flags concern you, they answered with one word: "no". Two messages in a row... "no".
That gave me the creeps. That's not typical there, it was like these people were under a spell.
Then i found out people thinking like this, talking like this, believing like this.. like it's a religious cult.. ..they were all here on this forum as well.
It was even worse here, "we" will get mega loan/deal/dividend etc., "we have these triggers", no stop-losses or tactics, "only traitors sell" spirit, just freaking weird when you are talking about a suspicious chinese fraud looking underperformer.
So, i have been trying to be the voice of reason. I think i know well enough what the company does and it's disgusting. Or the one man show, not a company really.
Zero has the best most detailed explanations IMO, but of course nobody will ever know how everything went exactly.
You must factor in all the evidence this being just stock selling operation.
-irrational insane dilution
-After all these years prawns don't grow, no competence.
-CEO is not competent at all in any way.
-no promised triway dividend.
-announced dividend without date, not based on profits, emergency break?
-over complicated corporate structure where cash flows "disappear" out of reach of the shareholders
-market not believing assets/businesses (P/E 0,11, P/B 0,02), it's not failures, it's fake.
-fake looking locations
-irrational business model with everything from cow dung fertilizer to prawns they can't grow.
-no evidence of harvests or clients, CEO just after "investors".
All this above is just crazy if they really have the businesses they claim.
All this makes perfect sense if it's just a stock selling operation with assets and "business collection" as facade for main operation.
Yes $630M for under $20M is always real. Especially if it's a prawn farmer who can't grow the them that dilutes.
It's a simple chinese agricultural tax free scam.
All makes sense after you admit it.
Of course there will be more shares issued, it is increasing all the time. Why do you look into P/E 0,11 P/B 0,02 company's "official statements" for answers? They lie.
There will be massively more dilution, there will be no loan, and there will be no dividend.
Beating the same dead horse year after year, it will not change, this is it.
Scam exposed.
You let them dilute you. I have heard so many excuses why it's ok. It's behind all major drops in share price. It is the reason for no trust, scam-pricing for the stock and kills possibility for normal bank relations.
Siaf owners wasted all their energy defending the fraudulent company and attacking who they thought were shorters and bashers. We just new what was going on when you were still blue eyed. You got it all wrong why Joe, Zero and me have been saying the things we say.
Admit to yourself that you are afraid to start the lawsuit because in the heart of hearts - you know as well already that it is a scam.
If it isn't you will be big winners, assets must be unlocked, dilution must stop etc, stock will sky rocket. You will not hurt them if they are real. You will just stop the harmful things harming you more..
But as I said. I think you know it is a scam. That is why they dilute, that is what they do.
Still you could get more out of it than being submissive fraud victims. That is the worst option.