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Me too but unfortunately world and life does not work that way. Can't buy 100 000 things for 2000.
Making big losses, being not able to explain or predict the future seems to be here "the smart people".
Those who have been right and have explanation for everything they are stupid.
The only major difference between us is that you rely on belief.
If i could buy a 100 000 dollar car for 2000 dollars and I wouldn't buy it, that would be stupid right?
You guys have Rolls Royce papers in your hands, it's authentic and you can get it for 2000 dollars. But it's made of cardboard and put together with duct tape. Everyone can see. But you have these papers that say it's a real Rolls Royce. I'm telling you look at it, it's complete joke, it's made of cardboard and has no engine. But you go back to the papers and say it's facts here, it's real. You can't always look at just the papers and believe sellers stories. Siaf is the perfect example. Cardboard Rolls Royce of the decade.
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I don't wrap my mind around the share price. It's all the evidence from real life starting from no trucks with shrimps at the shipping&receiving to the mad dilution at 2% of the book value. No customers seen, no bank relations to mention.
Your flaw is to think that whatever they publish, report or file is "a fact" or "the truth".
The share price is just a symptom of real life and real understanding catching their stories.
...whoever believed, lost a lot of money.
Market values it at less than 2% of the books. Meaning 98% of the books are BS to he market. I think the markets overall opinion is pretty good basis for generalizing.
Companys own actions just verify markets opinion.
So yes everybody knows, everyone should be able to read from the tell tale signs how things really are.
Market values them at 2% of the book. The company itself thinks its an awesome overvaluation and prints and sells shares like crazy at that valuation.
1+1=2
There's no value, everybody knows.
First step to losing money is reading their reports and filings. They are there to fool dummies.
"Capital award" is concrete ponds and a sunroof that was marketed to "investors" as something amazing and very valuable. I saw the pics and laughed.
It is part of the scam. Worth nothing, does nothing.
They could sell just a little bit of that technology and wouldn't have to dilute if it was real. Or they could sell some other assets if they were real, and they would not have need to dilute.
But it all belongs to this 98% BS, market doesn't believe it exists, Siaf itself has shown by dilution they don't exist and already before that by not having ever any money they have shown the businesses don't exist.
Or if something happens there Siaf has no right or part of the business in real life. Because in real shareholders never get anything.
Siaf is just a portfolio collection of worthless assets to its shareholders. That's a fact. That's what "the assets" and "Capitol awards" and "TRW" and all have been. Just excuses to make money and value increase of *Siaf shares* disappear from shareholders.
The dilution has proven it, but it was obvious already before that.
And you believed it has something to do with Siaf?
Siaf has no money, needs to dilute desperately to get some, don't get normal loans from banks.
It is one hobby farm with failures and as the market sees it: 98%+ is BS.
It is the only explanation that makes sense with what happens in the real world.
They have only 1 aquafarm where Tony hobby farms and fails.
Everything else is the scam. Either TRW is completely imaginary or Siaf shareholders have no right to any of their cash flow.
The money transactions from Siaf to TRW are obvious smokescreen. There is no money because Siaf doesn't make any. Only with stock printing/selling.
They ALWAYS have been flashing big money, big ideas but in real life they have nothing and are capable of nothing.
That's why there's dilution, it's the only business.
Nobody is "reckless" and prints at 2% of book value.
They know real value is 0. It is planned and it is very profitable for them to print stocks. That's why they do it.
Predict future and their actions = liar
Predict everything wrong, give horrible advice = expert with facts
-98%, heavy dilution, all promises broken, prawns don't grow, fishes die, broke.
But... There's amazing assets hidden? Which they can't sell and market doesn't believe? =D
The big lie is in the Siaf books, market knows it, those who sold and saved a ton of money know it, more educated members of the forum know it. The dilution at less than 2% of books confirms it.
There is no mystery. this is a busted scam.
Look at the "company" actions, dilution, broken promises, no care for shareholders interest, no self worth...
Just look at what happens in real life. No assumptions. Just cool head and see what the market thinks, what they do and how has it worked for shareholders.
Checkmate.
It's a scam, if there was some honesty previously i doubt it, but now there is none for sure.
It's just a stock printing operation based on cooked books. The cooked books keep some people hanging on, I promise you there is no treasure at the end of the dilution rainbow. Vice versa. It's just a tell tale sign that there is absolutely nothing there.
Why else print and sell at less than 2% of book value?
Be street smart.
The assets is the scam.
They fool people into buying something "cheap". There's no tens or hundreds of millions assets, they cook the books That's why they print at less than 2% book value, they know 2% of the claimed is a great price for what they really have. That's why they print.
That's the scam, their actions prove it very clearly.
Why somebody still buys? Is there false information spread in the forums in Norway?
Everyone should know already it's just a printing and selling stocks operation, low level chinese scam.
Couple of weeks in a 3 year death spiral. Fake dividend announcement helping of course. It will continue to go down after a while. The while might be 2 weeks or 2 months but after 2 years we will be significantly lower than now.
At the end of the day disappointments will continue. That's the way it's built, that's the way it will happen.
And surely eat funny mushrooms before writing quarterly reports.
Isn't he just one of the loan sharks? They work together? He must know they have no business or assets and of course he wouldn't allow the dilution unless he is benefiting from it.
I think that assumption is based just on a feeling.
Them having no assets they can sell, no income or bank relations, duty to pay dividend on their neck...
I see massive dilution ahead if they should pay or them braking their promise once again and no dividend...
Either way, there really isn't any floor, any support.
Last time they paid dividend 2012 and it has gone down about 95% since.
Most logical thing is that the same will happen again.
It's been time tested already that they can't sell their "assets" and that they can't create cash flow outside their papers in the real world.
There isn't anything holding this up except their press releases and reports with promises... And it's been time tested that the promises will not come true.
Eventually it will be under 20 cents, under 10 cents..
You can only go so far by talking the talk and not walking the walk.
From divi 2012 it's MINUS 90%+.
That includes the dividend. There was reverse split in between.
So should the miracle happen that they will pay the dividend (with dilution money?), there will be a high chance that this will drop more than 90%. They surely want to recover the money if they have to do the most unpleasant thing for them which is giving cash away to shareholders. They have totally opposite role for the shareholders.
That's what it seems happened last time.
Yes sure, why not make them public?
I have not claimed there wasn't such event. Can you provide date, divi amount in $, PPS and amount of shares outstanding at that time?
Then we could calculate the total yield with dividend to this date.
My guess is more than 95% MINUS. =D
Enjoy your dilution now, that's what happening in real life.
From NOK 17 to NOK 2.50. That's how long I have known you Mr. Fact. Who gets away with what?
It will go under that when it becomes evident there will be no cash dividend after no trw dividend.
Yes year what? After delaying how long? How much your stock is down now? Where is your trw dividend?
Real P/E is heavily on minus of course. That's why they dilute.
No income, no mystery.
Buyers at Merkur paid NOK 17, now NOK 2,44. That's how it has changed since I have been following it. It's already on minus today.
Some still don't get it's an obvious scam, good for them to get the stock at 2% of book value. =D
Real value is 0,00 of course.
There's no income, what will you put aside?
There's no assets, what's your collateral for loan?
That's why it's toxic loans, investor loans, whatever you can get as shares collateral.
It's just a scam.
They are basically bankrupt. Toxic loans for printed shares is the source of cash, no production, no bank relations, no trust.
Filings are used to scam the investors. They do "filings", "corporate structure", "money transfers", yes we know.
The FACTS don't support anything else but TRW being a on paper company. You can do all the filings in the world mega-giga prawn producing company but the facts are prawns don't grow, fishes die, dilution, no customers seen, promises broken, real life value 2% of the books, meaning they lie to their investors in many different ways.
These are the true facts that investment decisions should be based on. And that decision is never ever invest in Siaf, huge red flags and violations to what a proper investment should be like.
I think the stock goes towards zero, the pace is more difficult to predict. There is just dilution and no value, truth eventually prevails.
They don't move money anywhere really because they don't have it.
It's just to flash something that isn't there, to make shareholders drool about "big money" that they might get their their hands on with this penny stock.
Everything about Siaf has been this way.
In real life the end net result is always the same: sorry the money couldn't convince the market we are still penny stock going down, sorry shareholder, at this moment you can't have any of the money.
The money will always escape from shareholder, it can't provide share value increase and it can't be paid to shareholders.
Because it isn't there.
This could be from a book called "How scams work" Chapter 1, Lesson 1.
There is no Triway. That we learned when you didn't get Triway dividend. The businesses are only on paper. That's why you didn't get the dividend. Real life farming is that from one single aquafarm where Tony is, prawns don't grow and fishes died. That's all there is.
Triway 1/3 share is in the the Siaf share price already. Basically, it's worth nothing if you look at the share price. And that's because there is nothing. Same applies to SJAP, CA, etc.
They are fully valued in the share price already.
The dilution doesn't happen in a vacuum apart from the company realities or value.
It is part of the company realities. Done because the company has no assets it can sell and no income where to pay from.
Solly is not that dumb, nobody is.
He is doing what he must do in order to make some money.
Remember flower business and restaurants? =D Cow dung pile worth more than whole company value? =D
The scam is silly and diverse. Great fun to watch without stocks.
Filings and corporate structure games, fake assets and activities to make Chinese low level agriculture scam look like a big business so they can print and sell stocks more effectively.
And what PSEUDOSCIENCE of Siaf we got from that here? =D
The latest juwels of the Siaf pseudoscience are: "non-dilutive dilution" and "premium dilution". =D
It doesn't boggle the mind at all when you accept it's just additional assets on paper to scam more effectively. More pictures on the website to scam more effectively.
Solly doesn't do any cattle business.
They have no income except printing and selling stocks.
If you have something else that boggles your mind I can explain it to you.
It all makes perfect sense when you accept the truth.
Scams usually target the elderly.
There will be no dividend. There was no trw dividend, there will be no ”what cash?” dividend, there was no ”megaloan”, its all the same scamming and diluting. Its all just baits to lure in new people who will get scammed. Diluting is the exact opposite of dividend and that is what is really happening and it will continue to happen.