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A valid point. However when you're dealing with an MM like CDEL who is well known for naked shorting, any collection of shares is simply to cover their own butt. Not to mention to have shares to legally drive the price down without creating another couple billion fake shares.
Plus, there is no way to tell if they actually have "real" shares.
Just for the sake of saying at the moment. CDEL and others are very well known for shady dealings.
Henry wants X amount of shares. Do you really believe a broker or MM that can get shares at will is going to just hold them?
My thinking is CDEL or whoever gathered the shares, made the transaction, mind you at a much lower pps thinking what the hell the company is going bankrupt anyway...
Don't get me wrong you could very well be correct... Just for me the number aren't adding up with that scenario.
I'll do a post later tonight to try and show what I mean.
Not to be a jerk but I want to see proof of holding not just trading data:
Anyone with shares of PHIL has nothing to worry about as long as you hold them and DO NOT let them scare you out of a position.
Look I understand some will take profits and get back in when it drops. This is our right and freedom to do so with our own money. Personally I do a ton of day trading but have not flipped PHIL in months and do not plan to anytime in the near future. Everyone's situation is different. I got friends into this with some nice size positions. I would not disrespect them or members here by day trading this without saying I'm doing so.. Trust me I'm not bashful, If I was I would say so...Just for those that like to spread b.s through private messages about me day trading.
On Tuesday I made this post because pps increase looked like a set up. If you look on that post there is the link to a post on Monday which I assumed CDEL was ready to move the price up.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=163990681
This is not guess work... I've been watching the naked shorting since 2009.
Who really believes Henry is buying back shares in the .0040's ?? Just do the math, 4million per 1b ... cmon It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that isn't happening.
NOT trying to scare anyone, my point, IMO he has the 15b or more already. Hence the many times he has said, "Longs will be pleased" "Can't wait to share the great news" etc. etc.
So with that said, all of this manipulation is for one reason... CDEL to try and get out of a terrible position, a position they can not get out of unless big holders here sell because Henry bought back 15b shares and CDEL bet their butts that he would never do so and PHIL would go out of business.
Everyone is entitled to believe what they wish. Luckily I'm here to make money not friends so if you feel the need to chatter privately, judge, etc. that's your right and I'n certainly not going to lose sleep over it.
The end is near for this cynical manipulation... Plus PHIL is so close to success and will aid in the end of that manipulation.
Prediction for next week...Back to 30's but they will not be able to get it down any further than that unless big holders here sell. The catch...evry new set of eyes we get here joining the fight and holding their shares increase the pps bottom. What I mean is CDEL won't bring it down to a level that philsters eat shares heavily, that would just get them deeper and not help their cause.
Have a great long weekend...apologize for the long post.
My bad, attitude today with PHIL.. You all have a great day.
Impossible! Just my opinion. CDEL alone probably has over 2b naked shorted of PHIL
Impossible to cover all the shorts. You don't want to hear the unless...
Have no clue about that. Interesting though, why don't I know that huh (was asking myself) lol
Remember EVERY naked short short share MUST be bought back and will be at a ridiculous price when phil gets current.
HOLD THOSE SHARES
It's complicated. But used to be if you shorted a stock you had to actually buy a share to return it to the broker. Well years ago they figure out you can just give someone who wants to short basically an IOU if shares werent available and create a fake one.
Then there was the addition of dark pools which transfer of shares without effecting share price. So MM's figure out they can pass shares through the pools and have it register as a sell, effecting share price, but transfer it back through the pool not effecting share price. They do this over and over.
Very simple and incomplete explanation with a lot of other tricks left out but you get the idea.
Indeed !! But this naked shorting b.s. is ridiculous...Nobody is selling PHIL.
It's all fake IMO SEC or whoever needs to do their damn job!!
Be Prepared ...Would not surprise me if CDEL starts pulling shares out of thin air buying out mm's in front of them to pull the pps down.
$$$ HOLD YOUR SHARES $$$
Of course as always just my opinion.
This is one of the reasons PHIL and the DD on this board has been so successful. FACTS.
Some of what you state is the very reason someone like CDEL has been so successful using the psychological profiling of traders and human behavior.
Adding variables to computer programs to account for variations of actions they are able to entice traders to do exactly what they want.
Say for instance a casino... Slot machines are set to pay out up to roughly 80% (Just an example) so that means no matter what the casino makes 20% of every dime put in. Now multiply that by a year for each machine.
CDEL has done the same IMO Plus, they are able to control the PPS, control the media to bring in more eyes to a particular ticker, and bring the pps down without ever buying a share to sell.
As we see new highs remember to HOLD in case they rip the price down trying to get people to sell off.
As always...information is just my opinion.
OCC 2021 - 003 Passed today. You can read it here:
https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/occ/2021/34-91199.pdf
https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/occ.htm#SR-OCC-2021-003
Basically it was an increase in the amount of margin or cash on hand needed to cover positions IDK what they call skin in the game I guess. The main focus on this was for those that will cover a default members. (Give you any thoughts? CDEL maybe :) Sounds like preparation to me...
Also sounds like this cash on hand needed will increase as a situation would become more risky.
Plus, if you follow through all there little extra added little letters and numbers to certain paragraphs and other rules. Brokers, mm's etc. will be on a demand position notification. Meaning they will have to reveal ALL positions when asked.
So this should keep a couple institutions from swapping shares back and forth to meet liquidity tests.
IMO all of these new rules are very beneficial for PHIL moving forward as most of us will be holding PHIL shares for long term. Let's hope most MM games and fraudulent activity comes to an end.
BTW not 100% on my interpretation so please read it yourself if you're in doubt.
That's it man, perfect !! Like Cordova said just sit back and enjoy the ride. Henry has this all under control.
$$ Go Phil $$
If HOLDING is difficult remember this...If CDEL gets margin called because lack of liquidity. This will go well into pennies almost instantly because of naked shorts (assumed naked shorts)
Plus, like DJK said this could also be brokers collecting shares for Henry.
Both scenarios are great for PHIL shareholders.
With many other stocks and PHIL pounding upward that margin call is inevitable with all the new rules being implemented. History in the making!
PHIL is the sweetest deal ever. Not only do you have immediate gains but you also have an amazing long term hold.
$$$ Go Phil $$$
Totally agree!! Lmao going to be interesting next few weeks. History in the making folks!!
Mentioned this on Monday that I thought CDEL would bring the price up trying to get holders to sell, for some, take profits, etc.
They are able to move the pps up by share swapping and creating volume. Register as buys on one transaction and get the shares back through dark pools so they can do it again and again through the course of the day.
This creates the look of more buys than sells and shows volume.
What they didn't expect was the REAL buys as well.
Just continue to HOLD if they bring the price back down.
With PHIL it's about spreading FUD...
fear, uncertainty and doubt, usually evoked intentionally in order to put a competitor at a disadvantage.
MM's want shorted shares back and PHILSTERS aren't selling. The reason we see so many different aliases posting negative b.s.
You forgot to put NAKED in front of the SHARES in your post.
Think like a few have stated here with a lot of other tickers in the market making downward movement people are searching for a more secure stock.
We have that here with PHIL.
Hoping to see a ton of new people jumping aboard. The huge "REAL" buying volume is the only way to keep MM's from pulling this back down trying to get people to sell shares off.
Oh I agree... The only thing about the reddit groups etc is can you imagine if they didn't, it would just get worst. Back in 2008 the naked shorting drove over stock almost out of business and it wasn't until just a few years ago the CEO figured out using a crypto dividend could expose the naked shares.
Exactly why gme is now looking to do the similar.
Exposing this B.S. should and will get rid of this behavior. Our economy will grow stronger for a while until these hedge funds find another loophole or another way of fraudulent behavior but hopefully investors will be more wise and ready for it.
Man this is spot on...It's so amazing to watch young people dive into the market, learn, and become very good at details.
Yesterday was watching a young you tuber live streaming, very good technical skills and he had 31k people watching. Crazy stuff.
But this is exactly what we need.
Will all the goodies you guys have found with PHIL...man the risk/reward is way too good to pass up for anyone.
Morning :) Thanks for the follow. Can't wait for this to explode for EVERYONE !!
Oh but I can assume... And when Henry gets this current it will be proven with facts.
We WILL be current!! That you can count on. PHILSTERS don't sell either. Just so you know
Ok maybe at $1.00 I'll sell some back to CDEL
Totally agree... Truly believe Gensler has a mission. So far a TON of new rules preparing for the upcoming falling out of CDEL.
Honestly, I believe they will fix this manipulation. With the amount of eyes worldwide on amc and gme I'm not sure how they can't hold someone accountable.
It's my belief that what (so called reddit groups) have done is something we all will watch for now.
People from all over the world are better educated within the market because of the movement.
Yesterday I watched a 3hr meeting with members of congress and CEO's of many large banks... boring as hell. Expecting some kind of questions regarding a financial crisis the result was...well... not shocking I guess one could say. A bunch of excuses, dodged question, and quite honestly a total waste of tax payer money.
One member of congress did however bring up a good one, she asked about overdrafts fees on normal individuals during the pandemic. All of the banks collected billions of dollars in over drafts yet were trying to say how they were helping the normal individual through the crisis.
Wow did the room get quiet.
Which leads me to how this is relevant to PHIL. Honestly, the above ( these big banks making billions ) and the B.S. going on within the market and with PHIL really pisses me off.
Like it isn't hard enough to start your own business, deal with fees, taxes, inflation, and the ridiculous other expenses along the way then the people WE PAY allow somebody like CDEL to manipulate a company struggling so badly that most go out of business just for the sake of their own wealth.
Why can't these huge banks just help people and businesses grow? Are they educated so well to the sense of lacking common sense? How can you not realize that more successful people and businesses would also make them more money. OR is it just a damn control thing?
All I can say is ... If I ever become a billionaire shits going to hit the fan if possible...
Sorry about my rant...pisses me off!
It's because PHIL is ridiculously naked shorted. Just my opinion of course but numbers and pps just don't add up.
Plus, if you compare PHIL to ecez and look at charts etc. if this didn't have so much great support pps would be back in trips.
Yes largely do to support and the fact I believe Henry has the shares he wants for buyback and the ONLY reason we are still down at these levels is because of all the synthetic shares.
Everyone just remember if CDEL tries to drag this down HOLD your shares.
Hey you wouldn't happen to know if CDEL is like way way way over leveraged after today?
I heard hf's shorting stocks are like down way over 300mil so far this week.
Maybe they should just buy back all the naked shorts here and move on :)
Thanks man. Think this hits home for me and I get it. Sometimes I forget that new people coming in have no idea what Phil is about.
I've been focused on this and one other so long brain just figures everyone should know by now.
Honestly, it takes everyone !! A great community is what helps a company like PHIL succeed.
Getting done what Henry needs is no easy task and without ALL of us backing this, well, it would have been difficult.
Good point... Just get frustrated sometimes like I'm wasting my breathe or in this case time. I've known what I need to know since this was in trips...
But thanks for the response.
Warned them on Monday of course heard never going to happen etc.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=163990681
Idk seems to be getting a bit clicky in here lately.
But hey each to their own. We all know what we know I guess...
Nice !! Man I have to learn how to put it all together like that. I'm terrible at even trying to get it all organized. Amazing!
My screens get packed with info and files then I get flustered and the trash gets flooded. lol
Let me make this real simple... If in fact Henry did NOT have shares for the buyback which is assumed 15B.
PPS would not be where it is... impossible.
Plus, how in the world would short interest be so high?
Now imagine 6 - 8 billion held by individuals...more billions consumed by institutions, and billions HUGE investors that know more than we do.
HOLDING Phil is a no brainer.
Just my opinion of course.
What's your point?
Exactly ! Just HOLD ... With new rules and filings going into effect it's crushing the amount of leverage available to people shorting, even naked shorting.
VERY soon they will have no choice but to cover. With PHIL this will be huge.
Short interest indicates how many shares of a company are currently sold short and not yet covered.
The 70% just means exactly what the last statement says. However, it doesn't mean those were shorted shares today or yesterday just short positions held.
Our price movement upward can be of many factors...REAL buying, fake buying by swapping of shares, or the transfer of shares through dark pools (which means they can run blocks of 10m over and over again creating volume.
Something to watch for later this week is a massive FAKE dump to scare shares out of people.
Haha for sure. It's been a long road for may that had faith in PHIL. One could picture " the yellow brick road"
Follow the yellow brick road
If I only had a brain.... haha
For sure !! PHIL is like many have said one of the few 100% legit gems for this year and many years to come.
People are crazy if they aren't getting into PHIL or selling any amount of PHIL shares.
Thanks, idk just something I find interesting.
Not 100% if that is the one but know the one you speak of is passed and implemented...well sort of... you know how that works, though we see stuff in plain sight people in charge have to do extensive investigating before calling out and holding people responsible.
And in our favorite mm case, so big it's going to take longer to get them to follow orders. Like I mentioned before. CDEL believes they are above the law.