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Should be obvious by now
The entire lot that were involved in perpetrating this "THEFT" are all
untouchable..... they've done what they want/needed since 09/2008.....
lodas, question for you...
As a seasoned trader, what's your take on all the 100 share trades that
have been going on even before the symbol and price change. IMO all bs
MM's keeping the price where they want it or are being told where to keep it? Interested in your feedback. It's quite rampant and deliberate...
one minute 2000 shares at the ask price A, immediately followed by 100 share trade at the lower bid, and on and on...... If this this is not something the SEC should be investigating, then what construes suspicious
trading? What, only if you're an elderly woman with a last name of Stewart
does the SEC step in?
National Security.....
That is what it will be deemed...
What, are you new?
They can and are doing whatever the f... they want and no one or ones
are stopping or even attempting to stop anything related to this BS.
THE ONLY THING LEFT FOR THEM TO FIGURE OUT IS HOW TO F... US!
It's my "feeling" that any one/entity that was supposed to get paid at the end of this "JOB"( criminal connotation ) already has!
As for escrow holders, it looks like the plan is to drag it out till we are either dead or to old to continue the fight/wait. AZ's references to the "mechanism" that was initiated in 2009 gives substance to my feeling...
AIMO
I too hold a triple figure amount of common escrows and a few Prefs.
G-d, I hope I'm wrong!
Either way,
MM's are in possession of non publicly released material info. b4 the public is, and are allowed to act on it. And they do; they "rope-a-dope-"
"Joe" investor into selling to low or then buying too high while they make their points playing the middle.... yes very fair market-Never will I sink another penny in this abomination called the "Stock Market"
YUP.....
In anticipation of news, MM's bring it down the day before the release.
trigger stop losses, pu a sh.. load, then run it back up the next day before news is out....... Oh and they (MM's) probably are already in possession of the release......All perfectly legal as per the SEC....
MM'S CAN'T LOSE.....WHY ARE WE NOT ALL MARKET MAKERS????????????
Exactly......
And as if posting and re posting the same novels over and over is
going to make a difference or determine whether 75/25 beyond LTI will be or not. Useless rinse, repeat MB space holder.....
Ok, so WMILT almost done....
Now, going forward, if we need to make inquiries regarding POSSIBLE
returns to our escrows, WHO YOU "GONNA" CALL? And "Ghost Busters" will
not help. So when nothing is materializing $$$ wise, what recourse do we have as far as contacting some one(s) to find out WTF is happening???
Am I out of line here?????
Really?!
You think COOP trades based on it's own merits?
Really?!
So you say.......
A bit more substance here please needed.....
F & R? In what time frame???????????????????????????????????
Dmdmd.....
As I wrote, I WANT TO BE WRONG....BUT....... A SPADE IS A SPADE and world wars don't take this long........Called my broker a few months ago to ensure that all the i's were dotted and all t's were crossed in my accounts. Asked why, I replied that I'm waiting on a possible payout or at least a partial payout on my escrow shares.... they said, after a brief pause...." I wouldn't hold my breath".......
Seems improbable....
that all these financial power houses would tie up their monies for this
ridiculous amount of time....regardless of the potential ROI.
Either all the big players have been looked after with back room deals or
they've all been HOSED?- Not likely- As I'm sure with the kind of numbers that are being speculated there would have been a substantial push back by any and all entities with large stake in the game. IMO Big boys have already been paid- It's US the "vultures" that are seemingly being set up for a good old fashioned fu..ing. With every new turn there follows another
delay...14 days for this...21 days for that...have to pay this before that...that before this.... 10+ years...... many told me when I first got into this that 1) it will be years, and 2) you'll probably get it in the A$$ at the end as the 2 main players here ( FDIC+JPMC ) do what they please, take what they want and they do it with seeming impunity.
As far as I can tell, this will go on and on till either no one remembers or cares what happened (now over 10 years ago)
I want to be WRONG! With xxx,xxx common esc. markers, I REALLY want to be wrong.
I'm sick of waiting
Re read my post
Not sure how you got what you did from it
That's not encouraging....
WMilt can "pursue" these assets?????? As in go to court? File a suite?
Are you f...ing kidding me????
AZ,
on several occasions/posts you have referred to wmih-now COOP as a financial "LEVIATHAN". My question to you then is, why refer to the likes of dmdmdm's numbers/projections as ridiculous? What in your estimation entails a finacial "LEviathan"?
Why don't you......
GIVE US YOUR TAKE ON THIS, ALBERT.....
Chill out??????????
It's been 10+ f.....g years
You can chill, I'm beyond frustrated. I'll do whatever seems like it may
get an answer...IF THAT'S OK WITH YOU? ....and even if it's not....
No Offence....
From: info@kccllc.com [mailto:info@kccllc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:59 PM
To: !NA KCC WaMu
Subject: Web Inquiry re: Washington Mutual, Inc.
My Question;
Full Name: "Herb Smith"(Alias)
Organization:
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City: R....... ....
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Country: CANADA
Email address: xxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xx
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Fax:
Relationship to Debtor: WMIH ESCROW HOLDER
HOW MUCH AND WHEN ARE WMIH ESCOW ( COMMON ) SHARES GOING TO RECEIVE? ALSO THE SAME QUESTIONS RE; WMIH PREFERRED ESCROW SHARES
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Reply from kccllc;
Hello Mr. A.....,
Escrow shareholders also received a distribution of WMIH common stock in August 2015 into their brokerage accounts. We do not have information at this time regarding additional distributions for escrow shareholders.
Thank you,
Angela M. Nguyen
KCC
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El Segundo, CA 90245
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From: info@kccllc.com [mailto:info@kccllc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:59 PM
To: !NA KCC WaMu
Subject: Web Inquiry re: Washington Mutual, Inc.
Full Name: xxx x. xxxxxx
Organization:
Street Address 1: x xxxxxx xx
Street Address 2:
City: xxxxxxx
State: xx
Zip: xxxxx
Country:
Email address:
Phone:
fax:
Relationship to Debtor: WMIH ESCROW HOLDER
HOW MUCH AND WHEN ARE WMIH ESCOW ( COMMON ) SHARES GOING TO RECEIVE? ALSO THE SAME QUESTIONS RE; WMIH PREFERRED ESCROW SHARES
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Yes Ron,
I have escrows..... and a good chunk at that......
Hope you/AZ/LG/BBan/and all the rest that believe that this will be a HLCE
ARE RIGHT, AND THAT I'M WRONG.
10+ years of...
Not just no info, but purposefully confusing legal jargon and mis-info...
and now as it appears that the light at the end of the tunnel is seemingly
almost within reach, we are supposed to trust the process?????? I'm no Perry Mason but this sure feels and smells like we are and have been set up for a major insertion?!? If you catch my meaning......
If we were truly going to ride HF OR WHO'S EVER coat tails and reap some rewards, then why keep us in the dark all this time. It doesn't take a genius to finally understand that in keeping one out of the loop, well by the end of the road
when "GAVEL DOWN" decrees no "soup for you, escrows" What are we to say?
"But your honor, they promised"???? Promised what???????????????
Sign a release or no soup, if there's any left??? Looks like dinner started and ended before we got to sit at the table..........
THIS SURE STINKS OF A "LARGE STYLE SHAFT"
PLEASE LET ME BE WRONG!
So now,
The question is and remains;
WHEN THE .... DO WE SEE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$?????????????????
Ron,
So are you saying there's nothing to be concerned with and the law protects
us ( escrow holders )? OR are you saying that it is what it is and will be
what it will be regardless of letters???
TIA
AZ,
I'm confused.
Has your position on financial returns from this BK play changed?
Unless I've been misreading you, has your position not always been that
regardless of "flavors" wmih/coop, escrows, tranche this or that, that ALL
will be handsomely rewarded by this "LEVIATHON"???? On one occasion you posted the opinion that for every $10 Billion that comes back to the estate
would equate to just under $10.00 per escrow? Has this changed in your estimation? And if so, what's your best guesstimate on escrow ROI?
tia
Herb S.
(formerly of B.P. and original Yahoo board)
Another week has elapsed.....
And still NOTHING!
ZERO!
CONJECTURE, THEORIES, GUESSES AND A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH BS OVER FIGURES
WITH NO MERIT.
THERE'S NOT ONE SCRAP/SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT ANYTHING IS SLATED TO PAY ESCROWS. EVEN THE ASSOCIATED STOCK ( COOP ) IS DOWN FROM ITS
18.00 CONVERSION AMOUNT.
"SIGN RELEASES OR YOU WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO SHARE IN ANY RETURNS- BUT NO, WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT KIND OF RETURNS"
WTF KIND OF LEGAL EXTORTION WAS THAT???? AND APPROVED BY A COURT?
10 YEARS AND NOT A PEEP IN MAIN STREAM MEDIA ABOUT ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH
WAMU....ARTICLES, TALK SHOWS EVEN MOVIES ABOUT THE 2008 FINANCIAL CRISIS
AND NOT A SINGLE MEANINGFUL MENTION OF WAMU???? INVESTORS, EX EMPLOYEES
MANAGERS, EXECUTIVES ALL THAT WORKED THERE..AND NO LEAKS ABOUT ANYTHING WAMU???? SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE ALL BEEN PAID FOR THEIR RELEASES/SILENCE AND
PROBABLY GAGGED WITH THREATS OF PROSECUTION AND JAIL TIME IF THEY UTTER ONE IOTA OF INFO NOT PREVIOUSLY RELEASED....
BOTTOM LINE......WE'VE BEEN LED DOWN THE PROVERBIAL GARDEN PATH.
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DRAG IT OUT, IMPLEMENT MORE DELAYS, FIND EXCUSES OR JUST SIMPLY, AS THEY'VE DONE ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, ANNOUNCE "NO
DISTRIBUTION ON SUCH AND SUCH DATES....BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO...NOT NOW NOT EVER WILL YOU RECEIVE ONE CENT OF THE MONEY WE "LEGALLY" STOLE!
FROM GOV'T/COURTS/LAWYERS/BANKS AND QUASI GOV'T AGENCIES-TO ALL MOM AND POP SHARE HOLDERS PAST AND PRESENT.....GFY'S IT'S OURS AND YOU AIN'T GETTIN' NONE OF IT.
SOMEBODY SHOW ME/CORRECT ME WITH ONE JUST ONE PIECE OF HARD EVIDENCE, THAT THE MOM AND POPS ARE "LEGALLY " ENTITLED TO ANY SORT OF FINANCIAL
COMPENSATION...
THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO READ MY RANT...HOPE I'M DEAD WRONG BUT WITHIN MY LIFE TIME.
Whoever has "our" money seems to be in "STALL" MODE, YES?
So, the way I see it is, if you're going to stall, it's for a a prolonged period. Otherwise, why stall at all?
The other thing is, Rosen's comment about it still being there, and thet can go after it.... SUE FOR IT???????????????????????????
FDIC WILL HAVE TO BE SUED???????
This does not bode well IMO. FDIC will choose to not release anything WMIH
related and will use it's resources ( Financial, Governmental, Legal ) to
drag this out indefinitely???????? Seems that's where this is headed. If ALL ducks have been lined up, all i's dotted and all t's crossed, and STILL
no distribution to anyone.....They're ( FDIC/JPM ) going to try and shove this up our collective butts with big FAT ZEROS'S!
Harry.......
Is this you?????
I stand corrected.....
UNDERSTAND.....
I WANT TO BE COMPLETELY IN THE WRONG!!!!!!!!
THE QUESTION: WHEN?????????????????????????????????????????????
DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH
IT'S ALREADY BEEN EXTENDED TILL 03/2019 AT THE VERY LEAST.....
WWI 1914-1918
WWII 1939-1944
ISRAEL-EGYPT 6 DAY WAR
AND THIS FORNICATION OF THE INVESTORS IN THE U.S. MARKET TAKES OVER 10 YEARS TO POSSIBLY SIGNAL SOME SORT OF AN INITIAL RECONCILIATION??
MUCH AS I'VE BEEN PATIENT, HOPEFUL AND REMAINING POSITIVE... INDICATIONS ARE WE ARE BEING SET UP FOR SOMETHING BETWEEN A MAJOR INSERTION AND/OR A MODEST ( PENNIES PER ESCROW ) RETURN.
NOW PLEASE ALL TELL ME HOW WRONG I AM....I WANT TO BE "DEAD" WRONG.
Right......
The $64000.00 Question-to ALL OF THIS.....
IS WHEN???????????????????????????
WHEN WILL ESCROW HOLDERS GET PAID?
OR AT LEAST BE NOTIFIED OF SOMETHING???????????
IF???!!!??? THERE'S ANYTHING COMING BACK TO ESCROWS...THAT AMOUNT SURELY
IS KNOWN BY NOW BY WHOMEVER OR WHAT EVER INSTITUTION THAT IS RESPONSIBLE
FOR AN ESCROW PAY OUT. SO W T F IS THE HOLD UP?????????????
HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR F&R????????????????????????
THIS IS BEYOND RIDICULOUS
There.... I feel better now...at least for an hour or so......
T H I S IS B R U T A L !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Again, REALLY?!
"Rosen is aware of the message board banter and said money coming to escrows is pure fantasy. There may be a few million left in this next distribution but thats it.
He said safe harbor is also a fantasy and there is nothing there. "
iN CONTRAST TO RD'S VERSION OF "HIS" CONVERSATION... how/why would/does
one- and one as seemingly intelligent and articulate as CSNY come up with such a skewed version? CSNY FROM DAY ONE WAS A LARGE ROI PROPONENT as u may or may not know... so then, does it not at least make you raise an eyebrow
that she completely changes the tone/meaning and essentially the content of Rosen's response and in a negative escrow/SH manner??????????
I guess I'm overly suspicious and paranoid.....NO!!! I'm not... but I do see a contradiction, especially such a GLARING one. The level of deceit
and obfuscation and outright lies through this entire saga just goes to show the level of corruption within the "Good Ole" U S of A
Are you ok?????????????????
You don't see a issue here????
Seriously?
Does that make any sense to you?
If those are the numbers and have been since day 1,
WHY DOES/DID IT TAKE 10 YEARS+ TO RECONCILE????!!!
Uh Uh....... There's a SH.. LOAD there that needs to be accounted for.
And it begins with the $30 Billion that just happened to have shown up
as a "surprise" bonus to JPM.
Ok then....
Now, where is and when do we get F&R?
What's left to reconcile? And if there is anything that still requires tying up, what is it and when will it be done?
Escrows represent zero?
Is that what you're saying????
So they were issued fraudulently?
Would this not set off an "atomic" shit storm?
Where do you get off making these type of implications?
And that is exactly what your answer to Jarett28 implies!
And deliberately it would appear.
Cut the crap already.
re" "25.2 Cancellation of Common Equity Interests:.., on the Effective Date, ALL Common Equity Interests shall be deemed extinguished and the certificates and ALL other documents shall be deemed cancelled.
Jarett;
" Hotmeat, does this apply to common escrows that we hold? "
Your reply' "Yes it absolutely does. Since commons are the last in priority in terms of payment, ALL old WMI stock (commons + preferred) had to be cancelled."
So approx. $9.70 per common escrow for every 10 billion that is returned
is still you opinionated valuation? I can't recall if you ventured a possible return value on the prefds?
TIA