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Lol. I been saying price is in a downtrend and headed to .80s many percentage higher and of course I was labeled a basher, a short, a non owner. This board is full of cheer leaders who have there excuses and opinions on what's happening. Since the priced smashed through 1.05 support on a 700k sell order a few of the posters who said I'm crazy have gone silent. So who do I learn from here? I've asked the same question for weeks on what happen if no deal by Jan 2018 to wmih common. No answer. I get the same 144 funds buying, there smart, there adding and a lot piers/escrow posts
Seems like this i s dotted. T s crossed. Make sure your name is correct on the broker account, don't look at wmih on tuesdays etc is confusing all the while wmih common is in the dumpster and I may add on all the bullish points that been pointed out since 2.75 and yet it's falling to .90. As many on here know this is a tad more complicated than most including me know. It's a reason I follow price which has and continues to point to something not quite right and I think we get our answer soon. Always remember, just because "funds" are involved in a stock that is downtrending doesn't mean the funds know more than the retail investor. Many if not all have big losses piled up.
But fwhzeke656 been saying according to i hub buy sell ratios there's been more buys than sells. Plus all this fund buying yet the price continues to fall. This is a cheerleading feel better about holding board. Obviously there's been more selling than buying since 2.75 Why? Because the selling overtook the buying. Why find excuses. That's how a market works
I'm needing the hardcore bulls lodas. Mr Simpson. Cowboy. To tell me how and why with all the bullishness how this stock hit .90?
That was a fun day if your a wmih common holder. Well as most know I'm probably one of the few on here who can honestly say I'm not surprised we're below a 1.00. Been saying for months that wmih has been in a downtrend. Most said wmih can't be charted, most said funds are buyin, most said 144 funds are in it and are smarter than us.somebody said yesterday it was the end of month selling. So I'm still sticking to my guess. The adviser was hired to look at an extension into this Jan 2018 deadline. My 2cents. Some big money realizes no deal by 2018 and are getting out. If an extension is indeed announced wonder how low share price goes? I say low .70
wow some big dumping. selling going on. but lets find a spin on this guys.. we need a cheer leading post to tell us to make sure your account i and t are crossed and dotted.. fact is this is heavy selling. but the conversion price is 1.10 lol
I know I know.. its the close that counts
but but but the funds.. the smart ones, all 144 of them.. the support at 1.05 lol. tried telling you.. price over "fund buying"
wmih tracks TZA is there any similarity? seems like both are at 52wk lows while market at all time highs?
lol, no hard buying.. but the funds are buying!! and there smart, thats why were at a 52 wk low, I guess like some say on here, there is alot of confusing pieces and parts involved in a process like this
I have read every excuse imaginable since a yr ago as to why this has continued down to 1.05 and even in the past week the same excuses remain.. many look up to a few big bull posters here who are considered very very smart in everything wmih.. many are thinking this is par for the course on how this works.. like I said, if there is a deal by 2018 jan deadline I would be the first to say Im shocked that the price hung out at 52 wk lows, most times stocks run up into a deal, merger, big positive news announcement as the big boys are tipped off and buy like crazy, as of now that isnt the case, when the big boys starting bidding this up you know something is up.. so far its the opposite its at 52 wk lows and some posters just reply the smart funds, funds buying, so I dunno
I remember back in January the narrative was " the higher corp. tax is what is pushing wmih down" "when they settle around 20% to 25% wmih will bounce back" well here you go.. you getting that area so buckle you rocket seat belts.. or was this just another excuse to fit the bias of why the price goes down
I watched time and sales. 1.05 at 1600 hrs was the last trade. lol regardless I find in a tad odd that wmih is at a 52 wk low and most are just ho hum.
closed on 52 wk low of 1.05.......... Im sure its just funds pushing it down to gobble up these "cheap" shares.. maybe we can get fwhzeke2345 to pull up some quarter 2 13f fund buys to soothe us and make us feel like the 52wk lows and wmih hanging around 52wk lows for a few weeks is just not what it appears
So why did you state on another message board that wmih hasn't gone below 1.00 in its trading history? Seems like something is amiss
where can I look to see if wmih common ever traded below 1.00 thanks in advance for the answer and all your funds knowledge.. you give guys like me who are underwater on wmih hope that someday we will get back to even on our lt investment
lol.. still waiting for someone to explain to me how and why this price action is telling us a deal is around the corner... its telling me the opposite, hope im wrong but MOST times it runs up into a deal.. So my opinion is an adviser was hired to extend the deadline coming up, which will drive the price alot lower and that is where one buys the dip. good luck
Many on this board been cheerleading this stock since 1.75. I'm not going to post names to break rules. It's been the same non sense about the buys out weigh the sells, funds buying, funds adding, these are smart funds, controlled manipulation, all these since 2.00. Now the stock touches 52 wk lows and every pretends it's all good and cheerlead with posts. It's called confirmation bias. One can only imagine if this flushes below a buck what these posters will post to defend wmih. I'm from the school of price is the final arbitrator on what is going on and I'll tell ya if a deal is done before Jan 2018 this will be one of the few times I've seen a stock run to 52 wk lows before a major announcement. It's predicting a extension of the 2018 deadline and a move down in price.
#1 if you held these shares with the knowledge that it should of not traded up to 3.40 and didnt sell most or some of the 52k that was a mistake.. I still think the elephant in the room is the jan 2018 date is why the adviser was hired.. I still think there is a good chance if a announcement about the extension happens wmih will see .80 we will see what happens, I just find it weird with all the funds buying like some claim we continue to hang out near 52 wk low
52 wk low... spin it how you want, tell us how the funds are buying, how the buy vol. has superseded the sell vol. etc.. all the while the stock has hit and remains at the 52wk low.. never seen so called many bullish indicators and stock go from 2.50 to 1.05 and so many people this bullish
Happy 52 wk low to the common wmih holders.. the closer jan 2018 gets without a deal the lower this is going to go, Im expecting a release that says some sort of extension hence the reason why a adviser was hired, but its my 2 cents from a frustrated long common holder.. boy I wish i could brag i was short since last yr, but i wasnt.. so those who been saying they buying adding at these cheap gift prices since 1.50 here ya go
I can honestly say Ive never seen so much confusion on a message board.. wmlt wmilt wmih etc, piers, escrows common, no one knows what is going on hence its the reason as to why the common is near a 52 wk low.. I still think since everyone is throwing out opinions on every post that the advisers were hired to create and draw up a extension to the jan 2018 deadline to consummate a deal and I believe the price of the common is saying the notice will be coming out soon explaining the deadline and conversion situation that will or will not happen with details.. my thought
This date is the elephant in the room that not many on this board are addressing. I've pointed this out but was quick to get my hand slapped saying I'm just a short. Lol if I were short I would of been bragging because the stock is down 70% in a year. We continue to be led by some longs on here that this date doesn't matter because of the funds and all these funds buying and adding and none selling. Well most of these funds mentioned here purchased in q1/q2 Are they adding? We don't know until13k comes out. I stated over and over that the common wmih near a 52 wk low is telling us a deal isn't close and in my opinion this is why an advisor was hired to address your scenario. Most just argue it's manipulation and hedge funds buying and selling because that's what they do!! We'll see.
yes, please tell us how the 144 hedge funds are smart, adding, even though you dont know because we have to wait till end of quarter 13fs, tell us how the volume is mostly buys even though the price is down 70% in a year. again I never seen a stock go down 70% in a yr and have all these bullish features
seems like a slam dunk trade... obvious the common shares wmih look like they are not believing what your saying
4% from wmih common hitting 52 wk low.. again the board has numerous excuses and reasons why this stock is a gem but the fact is were at 1.05.. we can think of reasons why but my account states the truth... now I understand under a 1.00 is going to be the "buy of a lifetime" "load the boat" situation so carry on
stock is down again... 5 pennies from a 52wk low... must be all the funds adding and tripping over one another hitting the ask with both hands as to not miss out on the upcoming merger.. Im taking it most have more funds to add under the 52wk low if its taking out here soon... but what do I know, I know Ive read the same messages from last yr about how these funds are smart, adding and never wrong at 2.75 all the way down to 1.05
always a KEY date, always funds buying, always 144 funds which are smart, always manipulation, or NO funds have sold, hedge funds buy and sell or controlled price but yet the common stock(wmih) tests its 52 wk low, but yet I find it pretty odd that with all these bullish statements the stock has sold off 70% and remains within 10% of a 52 wk low and yet not many find this odd... does it have to do with the 2018 jan deadline that is looming and not even a sniff of a merger?? usually a PRICE of a stock RUNS UP into a deal, not down.. most times some bigger players are in the know and buy up the cheap shares into a deal and than dump on the deal news so price is telling me no deal yet.. Im goin name this post DEAL OR NO DEAL, but the usually posters will chime in XYZ fund is buyin, funds are buying, well that is as of Q2 and Q1 13fs... and if there is little funds selling, I know funds dont sell wmih, but if no funds have sold than who caused the selling from 2.50 to 1.05 over the past yr, most are going say its the hedge funds hedging the bets by shorting or kkr needs the price below 1.10.. not buying it
this is my last and final post for today as this is my free account and im only limited to 3 per day. so here we go again, you dont know if funds added this quarter until the filing dates come.. we can argue that majority of the funds didnt sell and for the sake of the argument lets just say NO funds that you talk about, lets say all the 144 funds didnt sell a share.. thats great huh.. your banking on these 144 funds being smarter and wiser than everyone? my second thought would be if indeed these funds didnt sell like your thinking than my second question. who is selling?? a stock just doesnt go down 70% with no one selling... Does this mean no deal ever gets done?? I never said that.. It maybe next week, next year who knows
IM not talking about today or yesterday at the 52 wk low.. read my post.. I understand your long and not going to listen to a word someone says that goes against your thesis, I get it.. Im not here to persuade you or anyone to sell, I just think its a bit silly to blame manipulation from 3.50 all the way to 1.05 and tell me there are more buys than sells.. again, market is supply/demand driven, when there are more buys than sells it goes up, more sells than buys it goes down... many are searching for reasons why there stock is going down, first excuse is manipulation
manipulation... no funds sell.. period.. only buys are allowed.. posters are posting funds are adding, I look up the fund and alot were quarter 2 filing which means the funds are probably in the hole... market works on a supply demand basis... more selling than buying equals lower prices and vice versa.. If long and strong we can point to every manipulation theory under the sun and check message boards to support and reinforce ones bias to feel better about holding a losing position.. If I had to guess why the selling? I would put myself in this scenario, frustrated after 4 yrs of no deal, Jan 2018 on the horizon the market is pricing in no deal by than, thats my 2 cents guess. the market usually knows, someone usually will get a wiff of the deal and you will see a stock have a high volume up day and continue up into a deal, thats how it usually works.. so well see, I see someone selling, whether its retail, small funds, smart funds, hedge funds, institutions, the price has gone down from 3.75 to 1.05, thats just not all manipulation
some one just hit da bid for 90k probably manipulation.. churn and burn here fellas.. keep the theories going on why its at a 52 wk low whhile wee thiiisss close to a so called merger.. I still say there is no deal by the 2018 jan date and its getting priced in.. but what do I know its just a guess.. ps. this is my 3 post for the day so no more for today.. gl
wow, does all this volume even though the price is at a 52 wk low signal a deal is close... if so it will be one of the few stocks that I have seen in my 25yr trading experience work this way.. usually a stock runs UP into a deal with the news leaking out to insiders, friends, etc before it hits the public wire.. so I guess there is a first for everything, most on here are pretty confident in this stock, so either something negative is going on under the price action or this is one of the biggest manipulative stock in the history of the market..
My 2 cents, something is amiss, Im a price action guy, price has been awful and remains awful.. I know when ultra long many turn to message boards to confirm ones bias, when many do not have a reasonable answer to why there stock is going down they turn to message boards to feel better about holding a losing position...manipulation remains one the well known excuses as to why the stock goes down, unless one has hardcore proof of it than its a excuse.. I only hold a small position long for this reason, I like to trade around a core position but have lightened up last week and may consider adding sub 1.00.. I still think many anticipate no deal before jan 2018.. ps its my last post
again, I respectively disagree, the price dropped from 3.75 to 1.05 in a downtrend.. again, I hope this is the case that you lay out but I think it has alot to do with no deal, frustrated longs and the approaching jan 2018 deadline.. my 2 cents and If i were short I would be bragging because those who were/are short made serious coin
Great question. A question I have asked for quite some time as the price went from 3.75 to 52 wk low of 1.05. As you know this board leans bullish, it is manipulation theories and don't worry 144 funds aren't selling and more funds are buying which if you think about it makes zero sense since market works on supply and demand which makes the price. My favorite theory is hedge funds trade, it's what they do They hedge. But when you ask questions you're labeled a short who gets paid $.05 a post. #1 I wish I could brag that I was indeed short from 3.50 and was racking in money, #2 if I were a "paid" bashers which I think is a 1950 boiler room fallacy why would I only post 3 times on a generic subscription. I traded in and out of wmih common several times and currently hold a small long position and trying to decide if the Jan 2018 approaches with no deal what is going to happen to wmih common price, which I asked numerous times yet no one one this board will or can answer.
Lol. Maybe it's down for a reason
Nothing to see here guys. Just high volume churn. My take. Funds are seeing that Jan 2018 date approaching with no deal. Longs will spin it as funds are buying. Blah. Stocks at 52 wk low
This board will say manipulation and funds buying. I have a hard time thinking a move from 3.50 to 1.05 is all manipulation and wmih is near a 52 wk low. I'm still saying this is pricing in no deal by Jan 2018
almost 2x the normal vol. already... im guessing its retail selling to funds??