Buddy,
I found a typo. Sorry.
A sad True Story.
The owner of a small company found an exciting machine that he could integrate into his existing product and have his business grow and prosper. He had seen videos of the machine running and press releases about the ‘genius’ design. He immediately ordered one. The supplier was an R & D company, so they would only sell a prototype at an up-front premium price. After that, he would be given a complete set of documentation and could build the machines himself, with a royalty to the supplier. As an added incentive, if he would ‘partner’ with the supplier, he would be given an exclusive for his industry. Because of the custom design, delivery was to be six months.

Six months passed and no machine. One year passed and no machine. Finally, after two years it was delivered. So many changes had been made the prototype was not what he envisioned, but he incorporated it into his design. After a few hours of testing, it stopped running. He had bet the whole future of his company on this machine to give him a unique game-changing end product with wide customer acceptance. Instead, his business failed and he had to close his doors. The end.

marlin6

Buddy,
A sad True Story.
The owner of a small company found an exiting machine that he could integrate into his existing product and have his business grow and prosper. He had seen videos of the machine running and press releases about the ‘genius’ design. He immediately ordered one. The supplier was an R & D company, so they would only sell a prototype at an up-front premium price. After that, he would be given a complete set of documentation and could build the machines himself, with a royalty to the supplier. As an added incentive, if he would ‘partner’ with the supplier, he would be given an exclusive for his industry. Because of the custom design, delivery was to be six months.

Six months passed and no machine. One year passed and no machine. Finally, after two years it was delivered. So many changes had been made the prototype was not what he envisioned, but he incorporated it into his design. After a few hours of testing, it stopped running. He had bet the whole future of his company on this machine to give him a unique game-changing end product with wide customer acceptance. Instead, his business failed and he had to close his doors. The end.

Buddy,
Forget about the SEC, lawyers, and investors. There is enough money involved here that the Fraud Division of the FBI will be interested and it won’t cost a thing. There are episodes of American Greed with much less than $65 million. Every PR Release put out by Cyclone is a fraud. In addition to the investors, there were marginal customers who were irreparably damaged financially because they planned to mate their product with a Cyclone engine. These are the folks that would be of interest to the FBI. The Cyclone Public Relations Releases are obtaining money under false pretenses, no different than a letter from a Nigerian Prince about the inheritance he will share with tou. The Safe Harbor Statement won’t mean a thing. All it will take is someone with the authority to order a dynamometer test by an independent lab and the whole scam will come to a grinding halt

Marlin6.

Buddy,
. A short time ago I posted the story about Carl Tilley, who claimed he had an over-unity device. Twenty investors who lost $4 million immediately filed suit, and the court ordered a test of the device by an independent engineering laboratory. When it was found to be a fraud, these investors were awarded $25.57 million by the court.

I am not a Cyclone investor (and never will be) so I have no standing with the SEC, but I hate to see investors lose money. The 0n-line complaint form to the SEC is very simple and can be filed by any investor. I don’t understand why the 5,000 investors who lost $65 million are so docile. Bonafiide investors could demand a certified independent third party performance and life test of the engine (probably through a court). This would answer questions once and for all about the validity of the design and take it out of the world of PR releases.

Cyclone is like the Hydra, a multi-headed creature in Greek mythology with the unique ability that if a head was severed, two new heads grew back. When Cyclone has an engine model that doesn’t perform, no problem, create two new models. While it could be a typo, but I noticed in your post with specifications for the Mark 10 engine, the torque is shown as 15,000 lb/ft. This should be 15,000 lb.-ft. Here is a prediction (just my opinion). There will be no viable Mark 10 engine in 2018, in 2028, or in 2038.

marlin6

Tom,
I agree completely. Patents mean nothing. There have been over 4,000 patents for rotary positive displacement steam engines and none were marketable. (See Douglas Self File Page 10).

Boeing Aircraft has a patent for a nuclear fusion powered airplane.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/boeing-patent-reveals-radical-fusion-engine-design.214226/
It has as much chance of working as a Cyclone engine under load. Con man Andrea Rossi is suing Boeing for infringing on his LENR E-Cat design. Lots of luck.

The greatest inventor that ever lived was an Irishman named Patrick Pending. His name is on equipment all over the world – Pat Pending.

Marlin6

Bobby,
A Tale of Two Scams:
Andrea Rossi is thee con artist of the century. One correction to your note, the Industrial Heat license agreement was for $100 million, but they had only paid $11 million and the E-Cat didn’t work so Rossi sued for the other $89 million. It’s interesting that Andrea and Harry have a connection.

Several years ago I met a man named Carl Tilley. He had an over-unity device like Rossi. His tale is remarkably similar to Harry, except he knew it was a fraud, he only got $10 million from investors – not $65 million, and they did not go away quietly. Here is his story.
JAN 19, 2010
At the end of a long-running lawsuit, a Nashville jury has found that alternative-energy promoter Carl Tilley and his wife Margaret broke securities laws – and played rather fast and loose with the laws of thermodynamics, too. The jury handed down a $26 million judgment last week against the Tilley’s and affiliated entities in U.S. District Court. The award, which includes $3.57 million in compensatory and $22 million in punitive damages plus pre-judgment interest, comes three and a half years after a group of investors filed suit against the Tilley’s, who were then based near Lebanon. The couple has since moved to Nebraska. The Tilley’s did not attend the trial and had no lawyer. In a 2008 letter to Judge Robert Echols, they stated that they had no more funds to defend the lawsuit. Attempts to reach them this week have been unsuccessful.
Carl Tilley claimed to have invented a self-charging electrical motor. In 2002, he generated attention by equipping a 1981 DeLorean automobile with a version of his engine and arranging for legendary NASCAR racer Bobby Allison to drive it in a public demonstration at Nashville Super speedway. "The TEV (Tilley Electric Vehicle) is like nothing you have ever seen in any total electric vehicle," Tilley proclaimed.
The lawsuit's plaintiffs said Tilley sold unregistered stock in his Tilley Foundation Inc. to them for $1,000 a share. They accused him of defrauding them and other shareholders by falsely claiming the motor recharged itself without fuel – and that he had been offered "billions of dollars" by major companies that wanted to commercialize it. The complaint said Tilley and his wife perpetrated a fraud using "intricate schemes, promises and lies" and engaged in "a pattern of racketeering activity."
In 2003, investigators from the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and the securities division of the state's Department of Commerce and Insurance raided Tilley's workshop and seized various materials including the DeLorean. Tilley sued to get them back but did not succeed. But no criminal charges were ever filed.
State Rep. Henry D. Fincher (D-Cookeville), working as an attorney before he was elected, represented the Tilley Foundation and took part in at least one shareholder meeting in 2003. Fincher told NashvillePost.com he took on Carl Tilley and his company as clients "well after they had sold the shares to most if not all" of the investors. "I was not involved in the offering of any stock or the sale of any stock to any investor, nor did I ever have anything to do with the alleged energy-saving device," he said. "I was not aware of any activity on their part indicating they were violating any law."
Nashville attorney Kline Preston represented the shareholders.

Buddy,
I worked on several R & D programs for commercial products. Guidelines for use of funds were 1/3 for direct costs (labor and materials), 1/3 for indirect costs (general and administrative), and 1/3 for profit and taxes. In the first couple years, Cyclone met the guideline ratios of R & D to G & A (see Use of Funds above), but with no provision for profit and taxes. That is where the percentages went off the rails until the G & A funds were double the R & D over the life of the program, with no mention of profit or taxes.

Benjamin Franklin said, “One of the greatest tragedies in life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of brutal facts”. In the engine world, the gang of brutal facts is extended third-party dynamometer testing under controlled conditions with published data. There will be no 1500 HP Cyclone engine, although it is a beautiful theory.

Engine Design: This site is a good history of rotary steam engines. Since 1795, hundreds of engineers and inventors with thousands of patents have attempted to design a viable rotary steam engine. None worked. The moral of that story is just because something is designed and patented doesn’t make it a marketable product. Everything works in animation. Machines, like God, are not a respecter of persons and the laws of physics, mechanics, and thermodynamics are not to be violated.

http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/POWER/rotaryengines/rotaryeng10.htm

Recent engines that, in my opinion, have serious or fatal design flaws, are Cyclone, MYT, RadMax, Iris, Quasiturbine, Rotoblock, StarRotor, Doyle, Liquid Piston, Hartfield, Kugelmotor, Vengeance, GoTek, Rotary Vee, and the Russian YoMobile, to name a few. None have ever gone into production though huge amounts of money were invested, with YoMobile ($1 Billion) and Cyclone l($65 Million) leading the pack. The only non-conventional engine to be saleable in the last 50 years was the Wankel, with over $200 Million in licensing fees, and it has been shelved, although small versions are being used for UAV’s. Even proven designs with 20 years R & D like Achates, Duke, DynaCam, Deka Stirling, and Eco Motors have never broken into the automotive market. It would take $2-3 Billion for a car company to tool for a radical new engine design, and that makes them hard to convince.

Engine Design: This site is a good history of rotary steam engines. Since 1795, hundreds of engineers and inventors with thousands of patents have attempted to design a viable rotary steam engine. None worked. The moral of that story is just because something is designed and patented doesn’t make it a marketable product. Everything works in animation. Machines, like God, are not a respecter of persons and the laws of physics, mechanics, and thermodynamics are not to be violated.

http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/POWER/rotaryengines/rotaryeng10.htm

Recent engines that, in my opinion, have serious or fatal design flaws, are Cyclone, MYT, RadMax, Iris, Quasiturbine, Rotoblock, StarRotor, Doyle, Liquid Piston, Hartfield, Kugelmotor, Vengeance, GoTek, Rotary Vee, and the Russian YoMobile, to name a few. None have ever gone into production though huge amounts of money were invested, with YoMobile ($1 Billion) and Cyclone l($65 Million) leading the pack. The only non-conventional engine to be saleable in the last 50 years was the Wabkel, with over $200 Million in licensing fees, and it has been shelved, although small versions are being used for UAV’s. Even proven designs with 20 years R & D like Achates, Duke, DynaCam, Deka Stirling, and Eco Motors have never broken into the automotive market. It would take $2-3 Billion for a car company to tool for a radical new engine design, and that makes them hard to convince.

Solar Reserve: This is the leading company for molten salt storage. Note that they have $2.8 Billion in capital and another $140 Million 2008 funding. Also, that they have over 100 patents for the technology. Cyclone and Genesis Design will have a hard time competing with Solar Reserve with a couple of employees in a garage doing drawings on the back of a barroom napkin It’s not going to happen!.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SolarReserve

Patent application for solar thermal storage: $5 million wouldn’t begin to fund this 2012 in-depth study on molten salt thermal storage. It’s difficult to understand how Cyclone can advance the technology beyond the research done by participants in this report. Note the credentials of the individuals and institutions in the acknowledgements, including a Fortune 500 company and a major university. There’s a saying, “If you can’t run with the big dogs, you’d better stay on the porch.”

https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/01/f7/csp_review_meeting_042413_reddy.pdf

FYI, I am a degreed Mechanical Engineer and engine designer. A new application does not mean a new design. Also, fuel and lubrication are two completely different subjects. Ohio State University evaluated the Cyclone engine and determined that water lubricated bearings are a fatal design flaw. This is a key feature of the design and unless it has been changed the engines will never achieve an acceptable service life.

FYI, I am a degreed Mechanical Engineer and engine designer. A new application does not mean a new design. Also, fuel and lubrication are two completely different subjects. Ohio State University evaluated the Cyclone engine and determined that water lubricated bearings are a fatal design flaw. This is a key feature of the design and unless it has been changed the engines will never achieve an acceptable service life.

To the new unknown investors: This is a simple test using your automobile to determine the viability of the Cyclone engine design. 1. Record the odometer reading. 2. Remove the oil drain plug, drain out all the oil and replace the plug. 3. Remove the oil fill cap, pour in 5 quarts of water, then replace the cap. 4. Start the car and drive it until the engine seizes. 5. Record the odometer reading again and call a tow truck. This will demonstrate the “unprecedented long service life” touted by Cyclone for an engine using water as lubrication.

Subject: Cyclone LENR Harry Schoell and Andrea Rossi

Tom,
I am a mechanical engineer who has closely followed the activities at Cyclone for the last four years because of an interest in steam power. In 10 years, Cyclone has burned through between $55 and $65 million without a single marketable product. Concerning LENR, Harry has now associated himself with the scam artist of the century, Andrea Rossi, and his E-Cat. Here is the link:

http://coldfusion3.com/blog/next-generation-steam-engine-could-work-with-lenr-devices

The Cyclone engine has fatal design flaws and the E-Cat cold fusion device is a fraud. Rossi spent time in prison in Italy for another energy scam. He is now in a lawsuit with Industrial Heat of Raleigh, NC, after conning them into a $100 million licensing fee. Harry and Andrea deserve each other. Cold fusion is essentially uninterrupted free energy, and the 2 laws of free energy (excluding solar and wind) are 1) you can’t win, and 2) you can’t break even, either. There is little obstacle called over-unity (more energy output than input). In 1989, when the Fleischmann\Pons report on cold fusion was published, someone commented, “Cold fusion in Utah? You can’t even get a cold beer in Utah.”
Marlin