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And yet it NEVER seems to stop the runs.
It’s the OTC. It’s simply the way it is.
Heck it’s the stock market. Does anyone really believe amazon is worth nearly a trillion dollars? But yet someone always buys it high before it drops back.
Same with EVERY other company traded. Stocks go up then down the up them down.
The claim here is that this is somehow wrong and only LIBE.
It’s not.
It’s the ENTIRE stock market, bonds, commodities, EVERYTHING has losers and winners. Someone ALWAYS buys everything at the top and loses.
That’s why you buy at THESE prices because this is NOT the top but the bottom.
I can’t imagine having possibly listened to stuff stated and taken such a huge loss only to find out that this RM is actually happening.
That’s one thing I’d have regretted.
Knowing it’s about to make a HUGE move in the coming days/weeks.
Up up she goes.
And FYI the market is all about ups and downs even the big plays run up then fall back.
Loving the NERVES this one here is already rattling and it hasn’t even run yet!
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Hitting a nerve with a massive RM breakout coming soon here.
Hurts so GOOD!
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Little minds constantly thinking it’s a direct comparison.
Walmart started with ONE TINY store.
Cigawatt started with TWO tiny stores.
It could be BIGGER.
Could be smaller.
But they BOTH STARTED THE SAME!
That’s the POINT.
Twist it any way needed - POINT IS THEY STARTED THE SAME. Nothing more nothing less is the point. THEY STARTED THE SAME.
I realize this simplicity of a comparison on a SINGLE point is hard to follow and it apparently needs to be exaggerated but the POINT here is THEY BOTH STATED AS A TINY RETAIL LOCATION.
That’s it.
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I don’t consider a retailer “tiny” simply because there are only two of them.
Walmart for example, since we are bringing onboard Lincoln to make silly points now, chain proper was founded in 1962 with a single store in Rogers, expanding outside Arkansas by 1968 and throughout the rest of the Southern United States by the 1980s, ultimately operating a store in every state of the United States, plus its first stores in Canada, by 1995.
So in 1962 that was one “tiny” little store. Then 6 years later spread the state. Then 12 more years was spread throughout the lower 52. Add another 15 years and it was coast to coast, boarder to boarder PLUS Canada.
So “tiny” means NOTHING.
Nothing but a TACTIC to minimize the potential of this RM I suppose and to minimize the REALITY that this is happening and now there’s nothing left to say about failure of the deal so let’s see what we can say to make Cigawatt, which hasn’t even had a chance to make any choices on the direction of $LIBE yet, a negative somehow.
Tiny as they may be so was Wal-Mart, #Wal-mart
Perception.
If a fool looks at anything a fool makes a foolish observation.
If an intellectual looks at anything an intellectual makes and intelligent observation.
Hanshtags aren’t only for the foolish. Some of us look at them with intellect and see much more that simple “pumping”
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These “hashtags” are obviously not understood. They are targeting people that might purchase franchises with them. Comparing only what they PLAN to become as a FRANCHISE.
Taking a loss here prior might be a BAD move when its seen it runs up and that loss would’ve been a gain.
It can hurt and cause stress we’ve all been in this spot, best to hold tight and see how it plays out.
2.2 billion bid gives time to exit if one needs to without rushing into judgement in a day. Unless one has a reason to think a note is going to be able to convert 75% of the OS when the rules state less than 5% at any time.
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Or if the PPS is at .001 it’s a mere 40 million new shares.
ITS ALL RELATIVE to the PPS at time of conversion.
In ANY case there’s 2.2 BILLION at .0001
And a RM hard close is coming in a couple weeks or so.
Here’s some general information.
Only 4.99% of the OS can be converted by a note holder at a time. That means about 150 million a time (and it takes about 2 days turn a round between conversion-deposit-sale-next conversion)
So safe to say that in a single week we MIGHT see as much as 450 million shares dumped at 1’s IF THERE WAS A NOTE CONVERTING.
That said the bid is 2.2 BILLION at 1’s and it growing NOT shrinking.
That’s 5 weeks of conversions and IF it actually happened the OS would be maxed to the AS. That’s a GUARANTEED run on simply a maxed AS guaranteed zero dilution pumpathon.
But really that amount of dilution would mean there’s a note converting this month for $100,000 plus.
BUT THERE ISN’T!
The next note is like $20,000 or so, might be cleared already. Doesn’t matter if it isn’t though. It’s AFTER their RM.
We shall see what comes here but I’d bet the PPS moves up not down and with each tick up the amount of new shares each dollar of a note converts for is reduced dramatically.
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You cannot point a finger without 4 pointing back. Their chosen use of hashtags is NOT pumping. Are we to expect that hashtags to McDonald’s searchers is going to bring in stock buying?
Really?
No.
It’s to entice FRANCHISE buyers and average consumers to a RETAIL purchase.
That’s not pumping AT ALL.
And as far as liberated, what is Brian Conway pumping lately? He’s barely putting anything out except when there’s some details or to keep his shareholders updated best he can.
A fair amount of social media has been to DISCREDIT the rumors. Even the ones about the revenue numbers - HOW THE $&@$ is that PUMPING???
It’s frustrating to see something have SOME potential to move up especially if a loss was taken already but the potential for a move up here and a SUSTAINED move up, IS A STRONG POSSIBILITY.
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I don’t think anyone doesn’t want the “tiny vape shops”
I think that’s a major jump based on the few days of low volume. ESPECIALLY when there was an obvious issue with the 8k on settlement not being filed. When it files the volume resumes if it doesn’t it will hold low volume at 2s as people worry about the play. Then it will pick up with further news. No one even knows 100% if an 8k had to be filed or not. It’s not a material event unless it’s new. Nothing about Portland settlement is new and in fact it’s been mentioned so many times as settling that even the SEC wouldn’t think it would be material information to read about it being settled. So relax and sit back and enjoy the quiet volume as it’s always darkest before the dawn.
Again 68% of one of the lowest volume days is NOT a solid indicator.
22 million volume where 16 million shares were SOLD by a street level invested who probably grabbed 2s and sold for a 50% loss to regain elsewhere is NOT any indicator at all.
Yes someone OBVIOUSLY either exited on lack of news or someone attempted to once again manipulate a scare dump.
Either way there was 22 million total volume, minuscule compared to the buying days.
1’s still a pipe dream.
There are no notes converting, at the same time I’m curious when the SS will be updated just the same. Somethings are still questionable here, on that piece I do agree but I choose to be optimistic NOT that the leopard has changed his spots, but the leopard is being taken out to pasture and replaced by a nice and relaxed panda.
We shall see.
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There’s a word “THAT”
At that moment.
It’s a reference to the moment she receives the controlling block. NOT the current time.
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Where did I make this statement that Janelle has control of LIBE already?
Just curious.
I’ve been clear.
From the 8k -
“Liberated and Company hereby agree as follows:
WHEREAS, immediately prior to the execution of this Agreement, the Shareholders own100% of the issued and outstanding shares of CigaWatt (“Purchased Shares”).....”
See the word “PRIOR”?????
Here’s more for ya -
“(e) Audit. CigaWatt shall have completed an audit of its financial statements so that Liberated can file the combined financial statements with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Once the audit has been completed, Brian Conway agrees to sell and transfer his Series A preferred stock of Liberated to Janelle Squire.”
See how it say “AGREES”????
Here’s another about the “BINDING” as the claims YOUR making say it’s NOT binding.....
“c) Enforceability. This Agreement constitutes the valid and binding obligation of such party, enforceable in accordance with its terms, except as limited by (i) laws of general application relating to bankruptcy,.....”
Oh and as per English 101 here is my source - a little thing called the SEC
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1503161/000149315219002767/ex10-1.htm
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2.2 BILLION sitting on that bid $220,000.00 worth of DESIRE to enter $LIBE
Pretty big investment waiting considering there no possibility for this one, right?
Uh huh.
Get it RIGHT - LIBE has control of Cigawatt right now. Janelle gets control of LIBE on hard close.
Ya’d think Janelle would be really interested in getting LIBE control since she already went half way on the soft close.
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Someone just lost 16 million shares trying to scare 1’s loose.
THERE ARE NO LOOSE 1’s!
Or maybe it was impatience?
NO MONEY WAS EVER MADE BEING IMPATIENT!
Or possibly stupidity? Yup lots of that in the world today
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This isn’t JUST a RM. big tobacco is actively trying to get a foothold into the vaping realm. LIBE would be the FIRST publicly traded vape lounge company.
Don’t ya think that might be a LITTLE something Big Tobacco might get interested in????
But people love to hate $LIBE
UNTIL it moves then they quietly jump in and tell their friends “not me, I’m not buying that junk.....”
Next thing they say “ah man ya gotta grab some of LIBE it’s really going to pick up steam”
Then the story continues until one day......
It runs hard and high.
Yeah we should all never play the otc again
Yup
No one ever made money trading pennies. And to pick up nasty dirty encrusted cash on the ground is so beneath us all.
Goodness NO! I’ll pick up those pennies as I ya never know when it might wash off and be a 1972 Lincoln Penny, MS67 Floating D, Doubled Die #4
Hmm a nasty encrusted penny cleans up sometimes to be worth $40,000 or so.
As do .0002 $LIBE shares
It’s not a “potential” Reverse Merger But a pending one. The soft close has occurred. The 8k with the contract has been filed with the SEC. Cigawatt ownership has in effect been under liberated for a month plus now. The next and final step to the RM is the audit completion and Janelle Squire taking the cash she was paid for Cigawatt in the first part of this deal and paying Brian for his preferred controlling share block - AS PER the 8k.
At that moment SHE has control to do with liberated what she chooses.
THAT IS WHEN THE NEWS STARTS.
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Is this really any different than the hundred of other OTC tickets?
It isn’t.
These are gambles, whether at $1.00 a share or .0001
Gambles each and every one of them are based on part wish, part hope, part dream, part lie.
I’m no fool to believe otherwise. Luck doesn’t play well for anyone on these without a little faith.
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I’ve seen the mans messages back to a few people saying how he cannot comment on business with Liberated. I can’t attest to what his business is with this company but I can make the connection there is certainly something between the two.
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Maybe a more logical approach to Norm’s Pay would be based on the franchises somehow. We don’t know how he’s connected yet but wouldn’t it be ideal to have him selling the franchise concept to his already attentive audience? I mean if he’s already offering consulting to potential new shop owners then why not pitch a franchise purchase that would include his services for 6 month or a year etc then he gets the renewal contract for that plus a cut of the initial franchise fee.
But hell thats just logical.
Or he could be the CEO, or CFO, or maybe he’s gonna be a security officer or the pilot for the company jet???? But I do prefer logic versus crazy thoughts.
Norm has a talent and an audience, that’s useful.
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I’d still say averaging down when your over a penny and the current price is .0002/3 is a SOLID move and way to break even and make money.
ESPECIALLY when there is a RM coming to completion.
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So much has changed here, sure people are down that entered in at a dime and grabbed 10,000 shares. BUT they could now grab 10 million more and have an average of .0005 or 6 and break even plus some in a week or two when hard close occurs.
No doubt this is changing control - no doubt.
But those folks that bought 10,000 shares at .10 are too saddened by their early entries and the growing pains of a ceo who really wasn’t qualified for all this and thus they are losing. All it takes is a $1000 or so and you have 5 million shares at .0002 that drops a .10 average with 10,000 shares ALL THE WAY DOWN TO .0005 but instead those traders are saddened.
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Yeah! See that HUGE cross trade eod?
OMG!
Like 0
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So much hate. All directed at the wrong place though.
CEO isn’t selling shares as I haven’t seen a filing saying he is. And even if he was that’s such a small amount he could sell anyhow. Much more logical is to blame the fellow traders who’s buying of these 2s last week and impatience not being able to flip them quick, resulted in them selling into the 2 bid and then settling the remainder on the ask at 2.
Be angry with impatience. Blame human intolerance for waiting for anything. Scream at the sheer lack Problem with society’s need for instant gratification. BUT honestly blaming the ceo for finally concluding stuff like settlements and closings is kinda like blaming the moon because the sun is blocked by the blindfold on your face.
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That’s simply impatience, many bought 2s last week hoping for a fast flip. Didn’t happen fast enough so they sell into the 2 bid and then create an Ask at 2 to unload at even.
This is basic.
If I had $10,000 in shares here at .10 I’d certainly throw $1000-$10,000 more at .0003 and have a chance of making ALL my money back and taking some profits to boot.
THATS just common sense.
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Fact - if you bought 100,000 shares at .10 2 years ago and held it....that cost a person $10,000 and your down a lot.
But now try this logic - Buy $1000 more, Yeah 3,000,000 or so (not even $1000)
What’s your new BREAK even exit?
.0006 or so
SO HOW CAN ANYONE BE STUCK???
$10,000 at .10 for 100,000 shares and add $1,000 at .0003 for 3,000,000 more shares and get an average price of .0006
Easy math.
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Hear a lot of those $1.00 predictions on past trip plays that RAN to a penny
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Sadly 0001’s are a pipe dream here.
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Hmm we continue to see massive accumulation at .0002 and an insane 2.15 billion share bid which is over $200,000 worth of cash hanging out bidding for 2 weeks now, and there’s still so much hate here for Liberated’s Brian Conway that no one can see the massive potential that’s coming with Cigawatt after this very real RM hard closes very soon.
Sad really since investing is all about FUTURE potential, doesn’t do one any good to invest after the potential is reached as that’s the high points.
This is the low point of entry. BUT THANKS, I did have a desire to add a few more shares even if it came the way it did.
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Interesting that the ask is ONLY consisting of E*TRADE and Ameritrade Market makers.....
Hmm too silly.
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Actually 213 million or so was bought at 1’s.
Just saying.
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I’m sure they have an SEC attorney at the very least.
Common sense most all business owners can sort out is to have an attorney.
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I’m still barely awake, just hope I got it right because head to typed seems to be lacking for me this morning.
I have true faith here that calling a company “fools” in so many words as a few seem to be doing here, just isn’t appropriate as Cigawatt has all the information on liberated that we don’t. They aren’t doing this as whim or a daytrade.
The rest of this is simply trading moves. AND bigger players want shares.
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To insult their intelligence is not appropriate.
This was a PUBLIC response a while back from them on similar questions.
“We have done our due diligence on every aspect of Liberated Solutions, LLC and this obviously did not prevent us from signing the soft close which moved us into the audit phase & it won’t be affecting the hard close either.”
I THINK they are pretty darn clear on what’s what. And not playing “armchair QB” with tainted information that has little bases in FACT.
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There’s zero revenue and or property or inventory for LIBE now.
The PPS is at .0003 NOW
When deal is closed, there will be revenues and property and inventory.
I’d say there WILL be ADDED value.
No way around nothing going to something equating to ADDITIONAL value.
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