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We'd see some sort of SEC filing though, right? A noticed of delisting or something like that.
So how long can this sit here without doing anything? Would it ever simply stop trading due to inactivity. Like an old email account.
You should probably look again, more volume coming down than going up.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense, this should have been another solid day of green movement looking at the chart.
This looks ready for its next leg up.
No news.
so this is just a pump and dump?
Yeah, who knows man. Maybe there is something beyond the delusional pumpers here and they accidentally found something. Time will tell.
Flippers own this stock for now, stay safe.
Well the chart looks like it wants to retrace to 50day moving average.
I'm mostly out, will jump back in if it touches the 50.
And remember when a company R/Ss, all previous traded PPS on chart bump up.
But at .005, pump and sell at .01 or .02 to some suckers, rinse repeat.
Bro, if MS were paying licensing fees to SFOR they wouldn't be operating so far in the red. And their yearly income would be more than a couple hundred k. Licensing fees would be closer to 100k a month with the volume of users using Azure.
This board is completely delusional. I get it, you own stock here and want it to be a great company that's going to let you retire comfortably. But you have to look at cold hard facts. SFOR isn't going anywhere.
You have to look at the timing of the suit...
Azure was rolling out. 100s of millions if not billions were being held up by the lawsuit depending on how long they draw it out.
Patent law isn't like Judge Judy, they could have been in court for years. That whole time their flagship would be sitting dormant.
It was great timing on SFORs team and their lawyers, a once in a lifetime opportunity.
It didn't result in the buyout they were hoping for though, and they have to sue more people, hoping for any kind of settlement to keep the lights on.
No, because they were rolling out Azure, and the lawsuit was against Azure's authentication method. Stopping the rollout until the case was settled.
A delay in the rollout would have cost MS 100s of millions of dollars. It was cheaper to pay them to go away.
If SFOR had a great product and patent, MS lawyers would have seen that and bought the company, like MS did with Phone Factor.
If the company had a gold mine of patented technology MS would have bought them out. MS saw how useless the SFOR patent was and passed. That's what so many here can't understand. MS was the buyout play, Kay was in a bad spot and likely would have accepted any buyout offer. Why pay 10 million to make the goldmine go away when you can spend 20 and own the goldmine?
Answer: SFORs patent is not as great as the pumpers claim.
I know there were some hilarious emails to the DOD about SFOR, anything real though? Contracts? Expanding business? Software bundling with OEMs?
SFOR is textbook pink sheet garbage.
Possibly infringing =/= infringing...
The suit was specifically suing Azure's method of authentication from phone factor, until the suit was settled, MS couldn't roll out Azure. This is how these lawsuits work. Cost the defending company more to fight than to settle, guaranteed payday.
Phone factor has been using this authentication method for years by the way, SFOR timed their lawsuit very well.
You have to ask yourself the question "If MS knew the SFOR patent was so powerful, why settle? Why not buy the company and its patent?" This would give MS a 'very powerful' patent and the ability to shut down or pull royalties from every security firm out there.
The answer is pretty simple, SFOR has nothing substantial, MS settled because they could tell Blank Rome was going to drag the case out as long as possible, delaying the Azure roll out, costing MS 100s of millions of dollars.
So you know no one can blanket own rights to OOBA 2factor authentication.
This is why they haven't been successful in their lawsuits.
I originally invested here because of the win against Microsoft, and I thought they really had something good. But when I thought more about it, it wasn't a win so much as a go away settlement. Microsoft was rolling out Azure at the time, and SFORs lawsuit would have delayed that, potentially costing 100s of millions to a billion dollars until the lawsuit was settled. A couple million to go away was well worth it.
Sure, some small firms make waves in the industry and either make it big or get bought up. None live on the pinks suing their way to prosperity.
Wait a week or so and buy back at half a penny for the next run.
Good job!
Wait a week when it drops back down to .006 or lower to buy back. Sub penny is a good entry here, look at the stocks history.
Lawsuits and speculation is all SFOR has, good for a pump and dump. Since no one really understands what they're saying when they claim SFOR has patented OOBA 2factor authentication, they think they're sitting on a goldmine.
Rinse and repeat right. Sue everyone, eventually someone will pay out.
Great business model. SFOR definitely going places.
Make sure to secure your profits.
Only SFOR made 271k in revenues in 2015, compared to the billion dollar companies.
CA
Revenue 4b
market cap 13b
a little over 3x revs
SFOR
Revenue 271k
market cap 26 million
or about 100x revs.
SFOR= overvalued.
JNSH seemed like a good pick back when PB originally picked them, and I bought in. They have charging stations everywhere, and electric cars are becoming more and more prevalent, seemed like a no brainer. At this point though, its hard to tell.
I've agreed with PB on another stock that seemed high value, due for a huge comeback that ended up blindsiding investors...
I'm hoping JNSH isn't as bad, being an American company and all, but not filing is real bad news IMO. I know its been rationalized as a tool to get the best settlement possible, but they still have legal obligations to file.
Also, like I mentioned, I can't even buy shares if I wanted to. I assume if my broker limits companies like this, others are too. The pool for buyers is smaller now.
If they get their ducks in a row, and everything turns out good, I'll buy back in at (hopefully) a much higher PPS. Electric cars really are the future, and their network seems solid.
Especially non filing pinks. My broker won't even let me purchase this one.
Yeah, I was out before today when this clearly got manipulated down before news came out. This is going to screw a lot of people over.
Seems par for the course to me. News + buying pressure = small jump in PPS and lots of volume.
People call 'flippers' and 'MM manipulation' when its probably conversions killing momentum.
I'm out.
Watch it do just what you said, sink toward .002, dividend comes out driving it to .008, then the retrace back toward .002.
So shouldn't I sell this in the 4s to buy twice as much in the 2s?
Nothing came from the meetings with people in NY?
someone testing the waters?
This has been the recent history of JNSH.
Buy some more in the .005s-.006s, and wait till a court date run to a penny and sell before the court date.
By all means, keep a core position just in case it goes nuts, but make some money on top of it too.
And look at that timing. .0055 seems to be the bottom.
Nice break into the .40s!
I'm gonna bet a few dips back into the .38s before the .3s are a distant memory like the .2s.
Are we just not as cool as the other stocks? Seems dead around here.
Looks like a nice day here. If I buy in here, it'll be at much higher levels, I'm looking forward to everything getting settled to see financials. This might be a good one.
Absolutely awesome man, thanks!
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I guess the good news is we're chilling above .006 instead of .003 like anticipated.
Stair steps.
That 'dead ticker' spread. If volume comes around and MMs get a feel for which direction it's going they'll tighten it up.
This one
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=128589860
https://www.ilnd.uscourts.gov/judge-info.aspx?B+r9xeYXgE8=
Be interesting to see what happens at the status hearing.