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Weren't the bots supposed to resign also?
Is there an ihub board dedicated to outing scammers?
Someone suggested making sure we track and hinder any future involvement in otc stocks by the dream team and their puppeteers. Maybe a board dedicated to that purpose, a board of shame - ScamHounds? - could serve a social justice purpose. Maybe even be deterrent if it was known that those who have proven to scam investors could not slip off into the night but be publicly followed and outed, especially if they try to repeat.
Crazy? Probably. But it would be cool...
Thanks. Agree with the wait to see how the dust settles before going for the broom...
Quote: PAOG is the manufacture of Cannophen now, not HI END
Says who? Link? Proof?
Who is in charge now and when will they speak?
Until clarified otherwise officially, it is still possible that the High End products are still of potential benefit to paog. Would wait to kill that goose until I knew for certain.
Has anyone ever seen the THREE of them together? Maybe Greasy has TWO secret identities!
...with a nod to THG
BTW, are K. Riedel and M.Tew friends?
Has anyone ever gone full vigilante on otc scammers?
Quote: In the red? This defies logic.
Not really. It was good to get a proof of pulse PR. But it announced only small gains in old news with Missouri already baked in previously from an "expansion" point of view.
When they can report increased sales results it likely moves the pps.
Otherwise the news is the wait continues. Like a coloringbook, the outlines are drawn or proposed, but little is filled in.
If one believes the delays are legitimate and the company for real, then hold and wait.
Otherwise...??
The flapper with the long legs didn't resign, did she?
The SEC investigation into the false merger pump needs to be expanded to include the High End / PAOG tangle.
To whom did they tender their resignations?
Who speaks for PAOG now?
So did Karl & Co resign because of the false merger pump....
or was the false merger pump planned to allow best share dump exit?
Did Karl resign from High End also?
Great! Finally, no more crickets!
Quote: Bigger question, why would they file fake merger papers?
An SEC investigation that suspended PAOG would benefit Karl & Co ONLY if they owned a separate company that actually holds the production, distribution & sales rights, thus freeing them from annoying shareholders...
Any chance SEC attention over the fake MERGER...
scam (possibly unbeknownst to either PAOG or GHBL) could force clarification on High End ownership and revenue arrangement with PAOG?
Still crickets...
on what happened with the reported summer 30 barrel brew and any progress or timeline for Nine Band to begin doing anything.
For a penny a share?
Bleak outlook...
U.S. shale firms cut budgets, staff as oil-price outlook dims
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-oil-slump/u-s-shale-firms-cut-budgets-staff-as-oil-price-outlook-dims-idUSKCN1VR15P
Credit where it's due...
Karl has sparked massive volume here.
Wrong direction for sure...but massive...
In terms of production, approvals, distribution, sales...
aside from none forthcoming clarity on inter-entity ownership & revenue sharing, what is the company doing and when do we see it?
Still crickets
No, the company* is in underperforming territory.
*taken as the producer/distributor - ownership unknown
Got to give the sleeklamis credit...
it may be the most expensive form of entertainment on the planet.
Still crickets...
So the answer is...
crickets.
What's the latest on...
...the recent 30 barrel run? Is it done? Is it distributed? To where? Is it selling?
...brewing - of anything - commencing at Nine Band?
What is your theory...
on why the company is reportedly making constant successful progress but the pps is in months of constant decline?
Enquiring minds...
OK, Karl, time to 'splain us que pasa?
The comment was intended equally...
for both sides of the debate...
The evidence (or rather, lack thereof)...
has been submitted. The questions have been asked.
Can we just have a moment of calm while we wait for an answer?
Until Karl speaks, either by divulgence and/or action/results, posters having already made their case, the repetition is just noise.
Getting somewhere? Well, we're asking the right question?
We'll get somewhere when Karl answers.
Damn
Quote: "...paog's name is on the box of cannophen, remember?"
Hate to admit, no I don't. Questions remain, but very glad to hear it as evidence of a beneficial connection.
I searched a bit, not thoroughly I admit, but did not find a pic of the product that showed PAOG on the packaging. Do you have a link or a pic? Thanks
Quote: "Many members on this board have asked for a breakdown on distribution of revenue."
Aye, I am one of them
Quote: "I don’t feel that Kr is an innocent patsy here"
Agreed, neither do I
But if the goal is to recoup losses or even see a profit, what is the best case scenario?
It is an incredibly big IF I realize but IF Karl would clarify/amend things in our favor that is the best case IMO.
If not, I'm with you on a joint lawsuit. But since it is not making my loss any worse short-term, I would rather wait a bit before unleashing the dogs of war.
And let me say here a huge thanks to all who have dug out facts and provided insights. That and Karl's failure to answer are very troubling....
I only see two options...
Maybe someone else can elucidate others.
Option 1 - recover my investment, maybe make a profit. As weird as things are and seem, I have no great confidence this can happen. But if it can happen, it will have to be Karl, at least as the public face, who makes it happen.
This would include BOTH succeeding with product dev & sales AND clarifying/rectifying how PAOG's shareholders share fairly in that success.
Option 2 - exact righteous vengeance on the fraudsters with tirades and maybe SEC complaints. This may be emotionally, even intellectually, satisfying, but would do nothing to recoup losses.
I much prefer option 1. Which is why I refrain from the case-closed full on attacks even though I understand and don't disagree with the evidence. Naive maybe, but it's not costing me any more to wait a bit to see if that option has a chance, whereas open war has the potential to nail a door shut that may possibly have a chance to be opened.
Just MHO
Quote: "Your realistic optimisim is refreshing, but some of us seem to think he already has."
First, thanks for granting me "realistic" ;)
And even if "he already has", the question remains who else is in a position to even possibly rectify anything?
And if the deed be done already, then it can't get much worse, so my odious conjecture is, don't make it worse by driving him off as he might also be our only hope.
Does anyone else see how this could get better for us without Karl? Happy to put my hope somewhere else...
What hope have we got if Karl leaves?
I too question the ownership set up and some rather amateurish efforts along the way.
But as long as he's around there might be hope of clarification, possibly even beneficial changes in ownership and/or revenue sharing arrangements.
But if he leaves as the public nexus of all this (ignoring for the moment the puppet masters), whether just fed up being bashed or for any other reason, what hope is there for any [more] beneficial arrangement with High End or RBII?
If he goes he could leave with everything.
Until the unknowns are fully revealed and proven we might want to be careful what we wish for...where there's life there's hope?
Just pondering that while it may bethat he has screwed us, it may also be he is our best hope of fairness. Who else could or would do it?
Quote: "...Revenue = $ 17,995,500"
To be split HOW?