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Hey Phil,
How have you been? I would like to know if there has ever been a case here on IHUB where a moderator was removed for being biased and performing a disservice rather than an impartial moderator.
It seems the new moderator TR is worse then the dearly departed one was. I have asked Matt to look into it and since he really doesn't like nor trust me it gone prety much unanswered.
Is there a way others could oversee a moderator and see how he judges what is permitted.
TIA,
Rafael
Hey Phil,
How have you been? I would like to know if there has ever been a case here on IHUB where a moderator was removed for being biased and performing a disservice rather than an impartial moderator.
It seems the new moderator TR is worse then the dearly departed one was. I have asked Matt to look into it and since he really doesn't like nor trust me it gone prety much unanswered.
Is there a way others could oversee a moderator and see how he judges what is permitted.
TIA,
Rafael
Yippie...I'm fired up!!! This application can be put in the bin of another "HUGE POTENTIAL"
Man, how much longer is this little giant going to be hidden from the market place????
This is what I understand......some LOVE to demand names, times and complete details about alleged emails and calls from certain posters, while never doing it themselves.
Do you understand this????
Jagman....kind of ironic how some demand perfect accountability from certain posters contacts and never demand the same from management and their never ending non follow up on deals....lol
I remember one poster who talked about those VIRC machines and his discussions with Ian Kidd, but omitted to tell all that there was only ONE machine in use and the two others were garaged and NEVER EVER used by them.
I guess he didn't ask how the other ones were producing????
Wink wink and LOL
Sammy, therein lies why I am a bit "negative" on FASC....recap...
Tire processing....the holy grail....NOPE!
Gold processing...the holy grail...nope
Human waste...the holy grail....nope
Animal waste...the holy grail...nope
Chicken litter..the holy grail....nope
Paper sludge....the holy grail...nope
Palm husks....the holy grail...to be continued!
Not to mention the "portable KDS" The 6000 which is now the 3000 which has a cousin now called the 777....to be continued also....
PS also forgot the Gypsum process...the holy grail...nope couldn't compete!!!!
OT...let me extend my hope and desires for Bobsnooks quick and complete recovery from whatever is ailing him.
Regardless of our differences over this company. A persons health is much more important then a penny stock
Setonian
Hey Jagman maybe Mitsubishi securities could call Mitsubishi Motors and see if they can reignite the tire processing potentials of the KDS.
Remember that HYPE years gone by. Millions and millions of spent tires still out there to be recycled.
Onward through the fog
TR, who's moderating the board now???
Intersting Manos, don't other manufascturers base their product success and failures on feed back and reports on how their product are functioning in those market places.
Could you imagine Ford or Dell or Microsoft to sell their product and forget about it with no follow up on how its doing.......
Not in the real world Manos
LOL
Jagman....the VIRC machine is now working around three years I think and we heard so many times how wonderful that machine is working while the other two are still "garaged"
LOL!
Really Tech, how many trips has Cal taken to Japan?, now deduct the amount of deals we received from those trips and tell me how much bang for our shares we received from those probably first class trips.
What I'm completely sure about is what we have received from his trips there, could of been done by email.
setonian
Papa, I'll continue to be negative as long as the market and the PPS keep reassuring me how "factual" I am.
I invest in companies for performance and PPS gain, not to hear how wonderful and how great the product is..........over and over and over again....of course while the PPS keep sinking!
....Fascs red herring is its lack of completion of any deal that can be verified with real numbers and follow up sales.
No matter how much noise people keep making about how great the "potential" is of this machine.
PS if a shareholder never rehashes a companies past performances, he'll only set himself up for the same past mistakes......that cause the continual "averaging down" that we've seen many talk about here and abroad.
Fool me once, your bad, fool me twice I'M BAD!
Noise is just noise whether it's hype or bashing! follow the PPS and the market and those are crystal clear indicators regarding how a company is really doing....pssst the shares are falling back to the old same prices!
Sam....that's a great idea, but if it was ever done and with an independent auditor people would bail by the boat load....imo.
I would love to know what his travel expenses have been during his tenure. I would assume that number in and of itself would be huge.
I know we'll see some posts on how the reports are all audited but so were enrons and we saw how good that did for their shareholders.
Great idea, but will never happen,
Setonian
Sam, if that's the case maybe Cal should send any anticipated bonus this year to the US DOE. We need some more grants for R&D.
Let's start some "mantra mania"
OT..to bad the KDS wasn't seen as a potential helper in the forest biomass cleanup needs.....
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usdahome?contentidonly=true&contentid=2005/06/0195.xml
OT...Waitedg, your IDCO is looking real good lately. Hope you can finally retire with that one....lol
I read notsowilds post about FASC and feel the same about management.
Hope you hit a homer with IDCO
setonian
Sam you sound like a KDS now "testing" the systems...lol
OT...From tech on the other board......
By: techisbest
13 Jul 2005, 06:27 AM EDT
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4tj: No better advertising than a stream of follow-on sales. Couple that with a marketing effort to get the word out to investors and things will look a lot better.
Sounds quite familiar to what I've been saying for about FOUR years now!!!!
Great post and relates to what is sorely needed for this company..imo, thanks tech
TR..I'm quite sure that will change in the next report. Wow four months of no REPORTED DILLUTION and you're quite confident that it will never happen again???
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
darn it jagman....you beat me to it...lol
No debt but miillions of diluted shares....which are running out!
TITANIC float that will need a TITANIC PR to move it....lol
I'm buying more!!!!!
Low debt = massive dilution since no bank would lend FASC money and they paid all their expenses with OUR shares.
Which if the OS doesn't stay "stable" will mean we'll have other issues to deal with which if I post might cause this to disappear...lol
OT...TR...I think we could use you to be our representative for our concerns with FASC. Found this on my other investment board.....By: ibjbf
08 Jul 2005, 05:47 PM EDT
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OT: Speaks of the power that the internet can bring to shareholders.
http://ajc.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&expire=&urlID=8074905&fb =Y&partnerID=550
Yahoo-ers muscle onto Mirant panel
By MARGARET NEWKIRK
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
7/8/05
Houston accountant Mike Willingham doesn't own enough stock to sit on the stockholder committeefor Atlanta's bankrupt Mirant Corp. But he's on it, thanks to an unusual campaign he launched when the struggling energy company filed for Chapter 11 protection this summer.
Willingham, known as Hammr6 on the Internet, holds the committee's Yahoo seat.
He represents Westlurker, JohnGalt, Arizzzona, Oledude and hundreds of other Mirant stockholders who frequent a Yahoo Internet chat room now banished in post-bankruptcy ignominy to a Web site location only the already initiated can find.
Through proxies from more than 400 of those Yahoo-ers, Willingham now controls 23 million shares of Mirant stock, enough to wedge himself onto the committee appointed to represent the company's stockholders' interests -- or to stir up mischief at its next annual meeting, for that matter, although Willingham isn't talking about that.
The stockholders' committee is one of three trying to protect their interests as the company moves through Chapter 11.
It's also the one with the least leverage: Stockholders are usually wiped out in bankruptcies, where their interests are legally trumped by those of creditors. The other two committees represent creditors.
Related:
• Mirant, Pepco reach power-purchase settlement
Without a committee of their own, Mirant stockholders wouldn't have stood a chance, Willingham says.
And even with one, the "little guys" among the stockholders might not have had a voice, he says.
His proxy block is those little guys, he says. Some of them lost millions.
Among them, says Willingham, are "doctors, lawyers, trust holders, homemakers, plant supervisors, managers, CEOs, company presidents, business owners, CPAs, energy traders and professionals, retired persons, IT techs, engineers, military people now serving in Iraq, domestic airline pilots, Mirant employees, Southern Co. employees and individuals and families from four continents."
U.S. bankruptcy trustee George McElreath says he's never seen anything else like it.
"There have been Internet chat rooms that have affected the course of bankruptcies, mainly because they can affect the price of the stock," says McElreath, trustee for Texas' northern district. But "all those proxies. I've never heard of [shareholders] doing something like that."
'I couldn't just sit there'
At 32, Willingham says he may be the youngest of the investors who banded together on the Yahoo board.
A former energy trader and energy consultant, Willingham bought Mirant stock in July 2002, well after the company was already in trouble. He paid only $5 per share, in the belief that Mirant eventually would benefit from the vacuum left in the independent power business after industry leader Enron collapsed.
Later, feeling that "Mirant didn't seem to be getting it together," Willingham says, he went trolling for insight and stumbled onto the Yahoo message board, then already more than 200,000 message posts strong.
In the mix of wild "Mirant to the Moon!!" stock pumpers and equally savage "Sell NOW suckers!!!" stock bashers, Willingham found a cadre of fellow investors who seemed tuned in to the company's problems and prospects.
Friendships developed on the Mirant message board. So did cliques and rivalries and at least one tragedy: The Mirant Yahoo-ers flooded the family of Floridian Dave Larkin with sympathy last year, after Larkin, who had lost everything on Mirant, committed suicide.
The Yahoo posters watched with trepidation as Mirant and its July 14 debt deadlines closed in on each other. Most still believed that the company would avoid full-fledged Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
Willingham says he was as dumbfounded as anyone when the company filed.
As the stock plummeted, then slipped off the New York Stock Exchange, the message board went into a frenzy: Stockholders are last in line for any claims against bankrupt companies and are almost invariably wiped out.
Posters advised one another to bookmark the Mirant Web site, which would soon become a "ghost" -- available only to those who knew or had bookmarked its full Internet address.
The distraught posters also got some psychological advice from a wag who declared the lot of them chat room addicts who needed to move the chatter to a new board: "nomoreposting.com."
Willingham, meanwhile, "wanted to do something. I couldn't just sit there and let things go."
100 pledges the first day
He put out the word on the ghosted Web site, saying he wanted to push for a shareholders' committee and secure a seat on it for the little guys -- non-institutional shareholders -- if the committee was formed.
Willingham expected 10 or 20 responses, at best, to his request for faxed share pledges. He got 100 the first day.
The denizens of the message board began to perk up.
With an Illinois man serving as his secretary, Willingham amassed his growing block of proxies at a cost of about $10,000, he says, in telephone calls, travel, extra fax lines, consultations with lawyers, document preparation and the creation of a Web site. By September, when McElreath appointed the shareholders' committee, Willingham had amassed proxies for 17.3 million shares.
Because he didn't actually own the shares, Willingham still had no guaranteed seat on the committee. Inspired by his campaign, other shareholders pushed to expand the committee in order to include him.
Then an Atlanta investor with more shares stepped aside, giving his seat to Willingham. That investor, who didn't return phone calls seeking comment, became an instant message board hero.
Whether the committee will recoup anything for stockholders remains to be seen.
For a bemused McElreath, it continues to bring surprises.
The veteran bankruptcy trustee says he had to step in last week after learning that a Yahoo poster was soliciting money on the ghost board to defray Willingham's costs. "It was from Dudo-let or Dufo-lay, something," he says. "You know they all have these aliases."
Willingham has now agreed to file his expenses with the court and is ready to return about $4,000 the Yahoo-ers sent without his asking, if it proves to be more than he spent. He says that the posters' generosity strengthened his resolve to fight for them.
But Willingham's constituency isn't likely to hear much from him. In an odd twist for the Yahoo man, the stockholder committee he joined moved almost instantly to cut off the kind of communication that made Willingham one of its members.
Without permission from the larger committee, Willingham can't share information with his Yahoo friends. "They understand," he says.
TR...my intentions were to not spin the PR it was to show how a nicely "worded" PR means nothing when it comes to FASC.
The VIRC machine is in production...no shareholder value created with that "nicely worded" PR
Firma Codognis' "nicely worded and pretty pictures" produced no shareholder value.
The Princeton "kind of operational" plant hasn't produced any shareholder value and so on.....
That's my point TR...words are just more empty promises when it comes to FASC if one cares to look BACK at its past PR'd deals
JMHO
TR, here are some past PRs that had wonderful wording in them...from the Ireland PR......
"Municipalities and countries around the world now have an effective alternative to land filling their organic wastes with the introduction of the OWR process", utilizing the KDS technology, and can effectively manage their problematic waste streams, while producing value added organic based end products. As new environmental regulations severely impact the disposal of organic wastes, FASC and OWR are strategically positioned to become leaders in waste management systems in the UK and Europe.
From the AP PR.......
"The KDS system will be part of a full run 24 hour a day pulp mill operation and will be improved and adapted to de-water Atlantic's bio-solids/ sludge waste stream". Atlantic's interest lies not only in the KDS system's ability to produce a combustible powder from its waste sludge, but AGES engineer's have proven and enhanced the system's ability to separate the inert non-combustible clay from the existing fiber, leaving a higher BTU value in the combustible fiber and a valuable pure white kaolin clay by-product that can be sold or re-cycled back into the paper making process. Patents for this new innovation are pending.
From the ZEO PR.....
Earlier this year, CZC announced its participation in the development of a new lightweight, zeolite-based oil well cementing system. FASC is pleased that its "KDS Micronex has become part of that process". The UZP plant in Princeton is being constructed to supply "micronized" zeolite as the new process is commercialized.
Those PRs were "worded" nicely also and what has transpired since those year gone by PRs??????
Nada TR!
Here's hoping that this new "nicely worded" PR actually creates some shareholders value!
Jagman...if we could only get to the "core" of the problem in getting the market to believe all this great potential.
Great post on the other board TR........
By: TRCPA
12 Jul 2005, 08:55 AM EDT
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Tech.......to sum up....
1)KDS250 Model sold to WRAP, ALMI, Firma Codogni, Daelyun Enterprises, Malaysia, for a variety of processing applications
2)New generation KDS-MF777 now at the core of the Malaysian power plant operating 24/7
3)New generation KDS-3000W at Flakeboard for a waste-to-energy project, awaiting additional Flakeboard-supplied accessory equipment
4)New WRAP technology using the KDS in process of being assembled at Aylesford Newsprint in the UK
5)New generation KDS-based technology currently being studied via USDA/USDOE funding in conjunction with Univ of Tennesee and Oak Ridge National Labs
That is what we know of.
My question is in seeing all those great deals why is the comopany still under a nickel? The market is usually way ahead of the common investor in knowing if a company and or its product is a winner. I hope we wont keep blaming the shorts and all the negativity post on some message boards????
Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???
Waitedg....You're selling of FASC seemed a bit premature, but as we see it falling back to the pre PR prices, your selling could pan out to be a wise one.
It seems that FASC will need some kind a "mega deal" to really push this TITANIC float forward. As you said, hopefully a FULLY operating AgES deal could do the trick. It seems that dreams and focussness will be what's in order for FASC for the foreseeable future.
I wish you TONS of success with your other investments,
Setonian
TR...there has never been anything "normal" about how FASC has ever traded in the years I've been here...imo. So I'm not sure what you would qualify as normal trading of FASC shares.
But I would love to hear about it.....
Jagman....I think you might be correct, there seems to be some kind of conspiracy going on with this company.
It really should be soaring with all these "big named" partners, the OS now "stable" and revenues which could hopefully allow a share buy back.
What the heck could it be???????
The saga continues........
TR...it must be those evil naked shorters.....LOL
I guess it wont be to today the realization of that premature........
Ex cub erance........0.0370
-0.0060 (-13.95 %)
Volume: 52,700
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Maybe tomorrow!!!!!
TR...it's only "UP" 100% for those smart investors who bought at the 2 cent levels and I bet you'll say you have the bulk of you shares at those prices.
What establishes a company..."LONG TERM" is where their PPS stay and increase and not some short term swings that we've been accustomed to seeing FASC do over the years.
The market feels the same about the current PRs as it has with the old ones and thats a BIG YAWN and I hope that will change soon.
I wish you luck in your trading FASC in these short term swings....I'm a LONG and still holding and not selling one share yet.
No Tr, again you missed my point, My post that was deleted was referring to the premature adulation of the malaysia Pr and the AgES pr and how all the longs were so excited about what would happen after the PR was released, and as always is the case involving FASC,the PPS have fallen back after the non events of another done deal for FASC.
Last week again meant nothing and my post was hoping that this week the premature excitement might actually bear some fruit.
As for me day trading you know I've never said I do that, but you'll post that I might do that anyway....right TR.
PS I have NEVER sold a single FASC share since I've invested in this stock, and I know since you've said you have sold in the prior hype, that some love to trade FASC but not really talk about it.
Have a great day
TRCPA...I wonder why that post was deleted? I guess even speculating what was said and what might happen is wrong for the moderators?????
What I think will happen on Monday is NOTHING and if we don't have another PR the PPS will keep falling back to the pre malaysia PR prices....imo
I do hope this kind of post is allowed....lol
Here's hoping for better news and my posts not disappearing....LOL
Jagman...you watching the OS also??? I have a feeling that number will go up in the next report.
I hope I'm wrong though!
Have a great weekend!
Setonian
TR...fundamentals are what moves a company (as we've seen with FASCs last PR firms success) not any hype from a PAID PR firm...imo
Sales and then some more sales will move this monster!
setonian
Sam...I'll drink to that!
Enjoy your weekend,
OT...Sam...it's friday and the "Ex Cub,erance" of what was going to happen this week was again premature. As you said at least we have FASCs spinoff which has soared while the "mother" company has languished behind.
Hopefully next week the Ex CUB,erance will give the PPS a bit of excitement
Setonian