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The butter was for popcorn...but let's go with the wine, nice red blend. Not blush! A deep blend please.
Lost in translation. All good.
I thought it implied there was more than one. Understood. Getting more butter BRB.
Not understanding.
Do pray tell.
Been following all the bad and good information on both sides of this thing and it's quite entertaining.
No in the sense of connection of companies.
The connection is the lawyer and how the shell was obtained. People are looking at the actions of each shell to predict the outcome of the other. GOFF has a large enough share structure like LOTE that a RS is possible once the filings hit. ILUS share structure was so small it didn't happen. So far two of the shells have had a huge RS announced. TRON and GOFF has yet to file. Each owner is different and in time they will all be judged on their own merit, but only after we see first filings of what their intentions are. ILUS is the only one that has posted revs, current and no RS. None have put out a PR yet which I kind of like, seems like they all may be legit businesses with plans so far. OTC tho! FYI he owns 30 plus of them.
You would have to read the LOTE Board in its entirety from yesterday. Lot of players cross playing Tracy shells and this one got mentioned for a possible RS. Only one of his shells appear not to be a RS candidate.
Won't matter.
The future of jacking shells and custodianship is quickly coming to an end. You should get your wish by default of the new game in town.
Mark me-
Reg A+ with crowdfunding and Reg A+ with future funding promises will be the new game in town. Too easy and no audited (PCAOB) fins needed. Old tattered shells will become the way of the dinosaur. Investment companies are doing the legal work for free (well convertible debt) and piggy backing the shares. Poor souls won't know what hit them.
Regardless of which party filed it the next actions after Tracy sold it is what I was describing.
As for the SEC - yes maybe. But that should have happened well before it was signed over by a Judge and sold Like when it sat there collecting dust on the OTC. Especially the pre form 15 ones.
And again I said "announced" maybe you could add a press release as a third. Announced meaning broadcasted, informed or told.
The 15c/d I referenced was a Form 15 NOT a form 211. Maybe I should have been clearer, but obviously if it's trading a form 211 isn't even in the discussion.
As I said before I'm very versed in the rules and regulations.
I was speaking of what happens or could happen after the form 15 is filed to each shell so far. The rule in question was not SEC Rule 15c2-11 but rather SEC Rule 15d-6. I could see the confusion tho, I'll be clearer where I put my c and d's in the future. :)
I kinda assumed as much, but thought I'd tell you. And your right, like I mentioned before it could very well be baked in if it was to happen. Hell it may shoot up. lol.
You seem sharp, be extremely careful with TRO&. The math does not add up. Those shares in the OS are more than likely currently restricted and compromise 40% of the AS. They are from Dec 2013 so that tells me the majority are being held by the old owners. That's why it trades the way it does.
When the filings come down something has to be done with those numbers in order for the new owner to own a majority amount and still leave him room to make moves. The last thing the new owner wants is a new 40% partner with no skin in the game. Those shares are not scattered as one would hope. There had to be large blocks that was restricted. No doubt! That's why ILUS probably didn't RS, no need too the OS was only 7 mill and change. Not enough to do any real damage.
LOT@ & TRO& is the norm. ILUS is not. GOF& had past investigations doubt they even get thru FINRA. I don't have PM so I'm telling you here instead on TRO!
Remember on TRO$ 343,589,316 is owned by others!! That's a lot. All my opinion...but do the math. As for HMN" somethings up with that ticker, I think it's stuck in FINRA. It has a 93million dollar market value...not happening. Now, TRO& may be a great play, but maybe after they speak. That goes for here too, but no fear of RS.
You too! You seem to have the necessary skills needed to do well. Good luck!
He probably had to. The majority of those shares was probably owned by the last affiliates and once the share structure changes they will become unrestricted. He can't allow them to drive the stock in the ground when they sell. Your DD has been great, hopefully you will be rewarded.
Splits are announced one of two ways.
1. In a 15 c
2. Once current with FINRA.
Of those 30 actually 34 how many have reached these stages? That's why they are parked waiting on new owners to make those decisions.
Spot on! You are absolutely correct on all parts.
The only thing I would add is, you don't know what they are going to do until they do it. That's why I flipped some of Tracy's shells and only held one. It's a big enough gamble already why add the unknowing part of a lack of 15c and share structure. Yes Tracy merely asks the questions and the CEO decides.
I believe I know which shells are going to do well. Only one has revenues near a mill (2015 ILUS) most pinks don't have squat.
TRON is another one I'm probably going to hold after I see the 15c like I did with the other.
Just want legitimate news from all of them.
Hello Dina,
You are spreading really good truths with this last post being subject to opinion on what those shares will be issued for. CD or Company acquisition? Don't shoot Dina for spreading the truth and knowing her shi!
Let me start with I tried to explain this on TRO@ and other Tracy shells. They all will probably do this except for one. With each 15c filed you will see the new company that is taking over and the share structure change to the NEW owners advantage. Just think about it ..if you purchased a used car and the dealer (Tracy) says "for the same price would you like 65% ownership or 98%?"
The new owners may have great intentions in the future, but only an idiot would answer 65% given the choice.
Tracy shells-
LOTE- 15 c filed RS shares to new owners advantage.
TRON- 15 c not filed but do the math???
GOFF- 15 c not filed but do the math??
ILUS- 15 c filed but float was so low the new share structure created 98% without a RS.
As for people who think there is no old share holders, you absolutely unequivocally wrong. Not only are there old share holders there are some with huge amounts, old affiliates in which if you read the filings they could not find. How do you rid these large old affiliates? You RS the hell out them and render their shares mute. Heed the people who are helping you understand. With that it does not mean LOTE is bad it means the new owners are smart! I do not own any LOTE shares for the record.
Yes! We're near a milestone that will catapult many PR's. Retail must change or die! #omnichannel
— Vested Elite (@CacheElite1) July 16, 2016
Yes, I have read them and I'm well versed on rules and regulations.
But, thank you for clearing up your position. Eventually I would believe these custodian shells/companies will trade or not trade on their own merit. They are not "hijacked" as in the real meaning of the term, so their validity should be truer than not.
Be well!
That's a little misleading?! My conversation was speaking of the companies he has acquired by custodianship and you're speaking of companies he has been retained to represent. Huge difference! The big difference being the latter, in which when representing someone you are only as good as the information provided to you.
Cut and paste.....something is always lost in translation. :)
LOTE, HMNU, TRON, GOFF but you are all missing the next runner.
In order of filings and next big runner.
1. HMNU- huge!! run more to come with news.
NEXT MULTI PENNY RUNNERS-
2. ILUS- why missing? To expensive for rookie traders??? (Wouldn't bid over .0175 without news) 7M float CRAZY! Still no run!!! News?
3.GOFF- TRON - (anything in the ..0035-.0045 safe for news holding) Nice returns if played right- nice dip channel plays also. News has to be around the corner!!???!!
4. LOTE- nice beginning! will run up IMO. (Jury still out safe at 40 % retracement)
So the question is, what company is real and will make bank! More to come. Do your DD!!
Watch the filings! The truth will be told by who keeps progressing, Tracy can do but so much.
Indeed! People are playing other Tracy shells because they are sub-penny. They obviously don't realize the difference of share structures. This float is absolutely unbelievable at 7mm. You could add another 100MM and it still would be super thin. Every Tracy shell had small debt on it, should tighten the gap if it hits. Then Boom!
Thanks for the detailed answer. You have covered a lot in which I totally agree with and knew. Knowing you don't invest in these tickers there is something I have uncovered that works for me as I do profit from these moves.
Of all the shells this one interests me the most, because of the very thing you said, biggish positions. It can only be so big on ILUS. The AS is 550mm the OS is 367MM (360MM restricted) and the holding positions are 7MM, which probably half is with Cede. So if there is debt that is issued at 0001 that adds 38MM making the new float 45MM. Which in OTC standards is crazy low. Add the fact of a real company taking it over and so far they have traded clean, I like my odds.
Nice to have a conversation with someone who understands the way things work, regardless if we approach things differently.
First let me start with I have read your information for years and I respect your opinion greatly.
Second, I have never warmed up to the cut and paste responses, a written interaction loses something in this process. Kind of makes the writer and reader lazy, mostly the reader who probably never goes back to the original post. Then again it is your thing so be it, but it will make people go back on this one ;).
Thirdly, FINRA is the final piece of the puzzle. IF there is a name change in any of these shells- they had to be approved by FINRA, who has a comments part in which the corporate history must be explained and approved. The company as of yet has pumped nothing, PR'ed nothing, Dumped nothing, so obviously they are waiting for a name change to do anything as their profile says. Your stance on theses shells are different than mine. The poster in which I am going back and forth with believes the old group who ran SVEN and ILUS has something to do with setting up the new one. If you recall it was the Awesome Penny people. I say the probability of that is between none and nowhere.
Then again maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. :)
First of all you need to pay for this service to PM.
Your answers and my knowledge of the market clearly tells me you are misinformed on how custodial companies are handled. I will give you a quick EXACT scenario.
Old affiliates (HAMMOND) ABANDON ticker while current and do not file required SEC forms.
Person/LAWYER (TRACY)receives custody(after many forms) then finds a buyer for his many (30) custodian companies.
Person/lawyer (TRACY) and new buyer (MCWILLIAMS) agree a deal and sign the company to a another company (BARTON) who will set this deal up for both parties.
BARTON makes decision and sells to a the new buyer (MCWILLIAMS).
A form 15 Is filed to assure the new company is not suspended during the process in which they can upgrade or become future filing later with their new name and etc.
All this happens with the assistance of the STATE -SEC (not needed anymore remember form 15) AND FINRA. A Company MUST go through comments with FINRA about its history to become current.
This my friend is all FACT!!!!!!! I am here often and ready to provide you more facts should need any.
FYI its all in the filings.
I know what the connection is. None!
You are connecting dots to buffaloes.
There has been zero issues with Tracy's custodian shells. As for his SEC issues, I would expect him to always have interactions with the SEC good or bad. It's a securities firm for petes sake. If he was a CEO I would think differently. As for the third party OTC issuer...
They are one of the same.
http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/mobile/default.html#Officers
Barton Hollow is Adam Tracy. This DD has been done months ago. The other people you mention are "pre" custodian. The chances of them knowing each is absurd to even imagine.
Where's the pump? Where's the dump? No front load, no PR, nothing but board chatter. Another post from a year and half ago posted the same thing you posted. So we are to believe a Securities firm and a Cabinet company have been plotting this lonely shell for all this time? Nonsense.
I will supply the links and info I found when I have moment, most interesting.
I know what it use to be. Everyone in the world played SVEN. This turned into a Adam Tracy shell I've been playing all of them. GOFF TRON and ILUS. I've researched this company for two months. Your information is old Intel and does not apply whatsoever. Sorry.
This will move look at the NEW share structure! Never seen anything so thin!
367,000,000 Authorized
360,000,000 Restricted !!!!!
Float 7 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's why it swings so huge. This would have been pumped a long time ago if it was a pump.
READ
Funny another new guy with a few posts said the same erroneous stuff when the OLD affiliates owned it. You obviously didn't read the filings. There is about 4 phone numbers to the new affiliates showrooms and they answer.
Mythmakerz2369 Tuesday, 03/03/15 09:45:32 PM
Re: Renee post# 8340
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Ask Grant Atkins and Gordon Brent Pierce. grant@cjsbusinessconsultants.com or grant@grantatkins.com. 604-836-1236
The filings show they clearly are in full control and have nothing to do with them.
Y'all are killing me with the share structure conversation. It's good for the OTC, but who is it bad for?
Think hard, your money depends on it.
A company files a form 15 for one of two reasons. The first is preparation of dismantling, the second would be to clean it up and change ownership. You wouldn't want the company suspended for not filing while cleaning it (other reasons which I won't get into).
So if the company was already a "zombie" ticker, there is no reason to re kill it. That would make the latter the more reasonable answer.
$TRON wrong Tracy shell call IMO. $ILUS Twitter feed says it all. The quietest one is setting up the best. Real company and real locations. The AS 550,000,000 the OS is 367,000,000 with 360,000,000 restricted from filings. Freaking Crazy!! No front load, no dilution...its just sitting there about to explode.
I'm still thinking your safe.
Tracy shells seem to be quite clean. Looks like selling on $GOFF happened at the same time. Vets know it will be a bit before the next news hit. Looking at all three,
$GOFF, $TRON,$ILUS
They all trade thin and clean. Research all three and then you can see the next to drop news.
Look at this tweet by Tracy and PR wire.
you rock! Thanks. $SNSX $ILUS We will not disappoint.
— PRISM MediaWire (@prism_mediawire) June 17, 2016
Yes. The form 15 is the first sign to cleaning up the ticker.
No one would pay the back fees with Nevada that didn't intend on cleaning it up...fees had to be 4 to 6k.
Then they had to pay between 30 to 60k just for the shell.
Then countless of other fees.
Can't tell you what this stock will do, but it will come current for sure. Remember there are many entities involved, state, government, OTC.
You are correct. That form 15 filing was done to make sure it doesn't get suspended in the process of cleaning it up. So TRON will not have to do the filings to come current on the OTC.
Next steps WILL AND HAVE TO BE as following-
1.Annual report for the last two years (unaudited for pink current)
If they are seeking QB or Reg A+ -Audited. This will allow them to issue free trading shares and fund better.
2. Quarterly report thru 3-31-16
3. Attorney letter - needed to unload any possible debt on the books. This would hang the stock up a bit, but nothing toxic.
They appear to be keeping the Toronic name so little time to get thru FINRA. FINRA would hit them with skull and cross bones if they attempt to do FINRA w/o coming current.
When in FINRA stage possible RS, possible name change,this is where you must really watch TRON. Remember there where shares owned by previous shareholders and the best way to gain a larger percentage of the company is an RS or issue more shares in the beginning. Issuing too many shares could make the market value out of sync, so you only do this if the company has a real value. Hence RS is easier.
I have been watching all three of his shells closely ($TRON, $GOFF and $ILUS) I have a good bet who is going to do the best, but all appear to be clean so far.
The name change is the key part to watch, because they would announce the RS (if one was to be) at that point, it's easier to do at the same time.
I've been playing these for years, but I never seen so many at the same time, by the same person. The connections between them all is intriguing. Even $CHRO seems to be connected, not sure how tho.
FYI- Twitter is a great tool to gauge interest in your investments.
Type in the symbol # or $ (for stock symbols) and see what people and the company is saying. Example- $TRON
SEC says social media can be used to give information provided the company says it will do so. So this alone is a reason to get on Twitter, small learning curve. Traders need all the tools they can get!
No Worries! It works best when everyone is truly looking and doing research, especially when there are good connections. Makes me feel better in my positions.
Speaking of Adam Tracy shells. He has about 4 or so hitting the market and they appear to trade real clean and true. Lots of connections to each other. They are all cleaning up quietly, no front loading no hype. It appears ILUS has the chairman of CHRO as a follower. Even Adam is tweeting about them.
GOFF, TRON all of them trading clean.
$ILUS Imagine if you got in on $hd $low $rh at .025 #pennystock #stocks run like $RVUE? put on your radar abt 2 get real
— Vested Elite (@CacheElite1) June 18, 2016