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Have to say, that last year this same time, everyone waited the same thing: that they break even at the end of the year. I decided to wait until that, and I sold my position at the end of the year. Im happy I did. Now i am mainly watching this stock, and it seems that the same pattern keeps repeating itself.
Your faith is strong, so lets hope this will recover.
And we have started to have pr's after quite long silent period. I wonder if this is start for longer runs of pr after the price have been pushded down enough..
Someone is buying shares from the small investors that have lost faith and take the losses. They keep playing the share at the price range of 1.45 and 1.50, selling 100 shares at the lower or upper levels waiting to get enough offers at the lower level. Then they buy big stack at the time. And some sell...
yes, I have to correct. What I ment with "as bad as we feared" was that it was an expected result. The upside potential stayed the same. Thats why I said "nothing changed". I also think the bad result was already at the stock price before earnings (no new prs etc.).
Because of this reasoning I felt this is good entry point at least for a small short term investment, and depending of future pr I will consider if I keep my position long or not.
And tip for you Speed. I have respect for some of your comments, but sometimes I feel you want to just provoke the others and misunderstand messages for purpose. Thats just childish and takes away part of your credibility.
Has something really changed compared to time before yesterdays cc? I think the long term potential and risk are still the same. The message is still the same. Nothing new info either.. Result was as bad as we feared, and nothing that we hoped.
Nevertheless there is the same upside potential from just single pr, so I decided to add just few hundred more shares at these 1,5 levels. I think these prices have upside potential of 50% if we get any good pr..with pharma easily double or triple (however I dont think we have any pharma vertical this year..). But regardless same old waiting, I keep my lottery ticket..
Im sorry! And I lost couple k$ when I sold my shares few months ago at about 2.8. I had avarage of about 4. I bought my self in same time as you.
Anyway, I would say there is still some hope, lets just hope they get couple more big deals, but I would not bet on that anymore.
So, "maybe next quarter"...allways the same thing, thats why I sold 90% of my shares. Another dilution coming at spring. I just have to hope I get my betting money back from this. I was wrong about the surprise..
I feel the lack of PRs and stock price behavior could be a sign of surprise. Also Dr. sounded really cryptic at last cc. I only have a small position as a bet on this, but my prediction is that we see some rise tomorrow, and get some info at earnings about future "hopes". Maybe nothing substantial, but something to give us movement. After every cc they have to make us think: "Maybe I keep this just for another quarter until we are fully profitable" GL
Thought exactly same thing when I saw the news. And the whole poll seems quite useless..what are they thinking? Do they think this brings new customers for tagging? I just don't get it:)
I bought back 1k shares yesterday and today, at least for near term profit. Im quite sure this will get back to 2.20-2.50 range this spring. Still dont trust the management, but I feel this is good time to cover some old losses. Gambler move..
Do you really think couple bears here or yahoo boards, can make some change? Isn't it important to have different opinions about company? If somebody questions your opinions that does not make either wrong, just two different ways of seeing things. As the motive of continuous bear messages can be to convince others to sell (still don't think that has any effect), the bullish messages are often a way to convince your self about the sense of your investment at some social group, when you don't have better ways to do so.
Holding no shares atm, but still keeping eye on apdn and this board, mainly out of curiosity. I think you all have a valid points about this stock and your own reasons to invest or not to invest. There is always bearish writings and longs want to protect their investment and opinions.
My 2 cents if anyone is interested:
The technology is really interesting, at least on the paper, and it seems that apdn is on the verge of something bigger all the time. (Maybe pharma, maybe polyesters, and cotton is of course a good start) This all (the promise of something to come, and the unique way of using dna) made me invest this company about 2,5 years ago.
Seeking alpha bs made me invest even more than I had planned, it seemed to be perfect time to average down some buys from 6 to 7$ I made when everything looked to go perfectly well for us. After that there were the dilution, and good dr. made some promises about future revenues. I decided to wait and see. Watching few of the last calls, made me to question my enthusiasm about apdn. The possibility of reward haven't gone anywhere but the risk of not keeping track of company's doings just was not for me. I hold about 5k shares, so not much, made about 3k $ losses at the proses, sold at the average price of about 2,8.
So, long story short, regardless of have the smart money invested on this, or why this technique have not interested more investors or companies, I just wanted to ask, are you not worried about the promises of future that just don't seem to happen, and the lack of information? And I know there is the new deal for next year, but again do you know the value of it..
You can see this as a bearish message, and of course it is, because I let my stocks go, but after this couple years, I feel I see this stock quite objectively atm. GL to all! Lets hope apdn gets wings at some point next year.
You can read my posts, I have been long for this. Lately lost my faith on management. And, yes this is the only stock i have commented at ihub..
apdn lottery..
That sounds great. Last year they were sure to be profitable during this year. There is some hope all the time, but nothing really delivered so far..just dilution..
Same here. I have took the losses during the last few months. Sold my last 15% today. Good luck for all! There is potential but I dont trust the management enough, and I think this is not worth the risk. Even if the cotton makes this profitable in the future, some other verticals are needed to justify market cap of over the current 50m$.
Nice, some update, lets hope there is more to come!
If profits are around the corner, why the **** do we sell shares for 2,2$ with warrants? There should be institutional investors lining up for funding. My guess is that the extra joyjuice that cotton producers have is enough for this year, so the cotton revenues come from the deals that have been published this far.
Bull or bear, we own this stock and should just try to think objectively. Anyway we all are just guessing because company does not give any info.
Agree, and might also be that our method is too expensive, or too complicated to adopt for most companies. Cotton is so important right now. Without significant income from it, there is really high risk..
Yes, thats the one ;)
I just found it few days ago, havent checked it through totally. Ofcourse it can be hacked more easily than dna. But to be honest, as a customer I would prefer sealed olive oil with info about its production, than one with "foreign dna" on it (clearly from a point of customer not familiar with apdn). And if I have understood correctly, Thin film is only one able to actually print these electronics, so might take time to counterfeit it proberly. Xerox is selling their tags.
BUT, as I said, they have completely different method. It just made me realise that few verticals might go different way of what I wished earlier.
Is there something that I dont understand about exercising warrants? For each warrant they have to pay that 3,5$ per share to APDN. If the pps is higher that that it will lower marketcap, but how you get that 10mil?
Tried to find some other 8-k filings with that 2% payment per month if filing fails, but could not find one.
Nevertheless, I sold some more shares at 2.45 yesterday. I only have 20% left from what I had couple months ago. This whole deal stinks for me. As an investor I feel I should not be placed at the position where I have to speculate if the company has made some desperate deal to survive, or sold cheap stocks for some private investor before some great news that get the pps up. Neutral possibility is that they are going to make profit later next year, but im done waiting. There is a risk, but reward is too far away in the future for me.
By the way. About competitors. Company named Thin film electronics makes printed electronics to seal products to protect them from counterfeiting. Last deals made with Toscana olive oil companies, china topacco pack producers, some big pharma company and so on. They can seal the package or for example the pil foil to send the data when the pil was taken, where it is produced, packed etc. to your mobile. Not directly apdn area, but other way to protect from counterfeiting. Might be friendlier way for user to verify the genuine product with his or her phone than seeing just text about dna tagging or so. Wont work for cotton or defense, but many other consumer verticals that I have waited apdn to make breakthrough. If drugs or olive oil can be backed with these electronics straight from the factory, why need to add dna on them?
Just my two cents. All the best for you all!
2.2$ for warrant and share is quite low, for me it says that they have no other options to raise. I sold most of my shares at 3.10 and I am looking this card with the stock that I have left and Im not sellong at this price. Im dreaming that the private investment has something to do with some bigger picture pharma deal, and thats why they let stocks go that cheap, but that might be too much to hope. Gl to all, lets hope we get some news to the end of the week. Would not be surprised if they wait over the elections before any news..
Have to say that I have started to lose faith for apdn. Sold half of my stocks along the last couple months. Still have some, but the timeframe that I set to myself (end of this year) for getting better results, does not seem to be as good as I hoped for. And the continuing dilution is just rude for investors when they hire more boardmembers and dr. has high salary etc. Really bad management. Im dissappointed.
According to gurufocus those numbers record dates are from 2004 and 2005. So full bs article.
Yes, and car is car, they all have 4 wheels. Ignoring you now on. Thanks for your great opinions.
I think im one of those "bumpers" you are referring to.
Few facts for you. I joined the forum after that SA bs article, becouse I felt many investors had been cheated. If that is bumping, your actions are worst kind of bashing.
Secondly: Comment by comment I value less your contribution for this conversation. You simply lack real knowledge of this busines and company. Your arguments about many competitors and simple techniques anyone can use almost free are ridicilous. You have named 3 competitors that compete small portion of apdn verticals. You know almost nothing about the marking technique apdn uses, that can be seen from your comments.
Thirdly, I still cant figure out why any plausible, pre retaired, stock traider would use his freetime at these boards bashing stock that has no value or future. From all the stocks availeble you have desided to show your lack of knowledge about APDN. I think you have either lost a lot of money on this or you must be really bored.
Anyway, future will show us, if you are here after 5 years we can get back to this conversation. Until that, you can trade your fortune. And I will buy apdn now and then when its under 4$. BUMP!
Inferior technicues conserning basicly only one of apdn verticals. Clearly its better you are not investing APDN.
Oh, you are right. I bought it for 3.2 today. Got myself 200 more shares. How can I live with myself when it hits that 3.08 all the time. In fact, all I can do is think the date 28.11.2014 when it was 2.30. I did buy some at 2.5, but why did I miss that!? And somehow i also missed the sell signal at 9$. Too bad.
Everyone at the forums, remember, most important thing as an investor is to buy when pps is as low as possible! And sell when it is perfectly high! Thanks Turd!
Because its hoax? Like everything about this company!
For me, great day to add more!
Nasdaq taking action with this manipulation and you spend your early retirement here at the board giving your bearish opinions. You have had some predictions spot on but most of your claims about the reasons everything is happening are just bearish opinions.
Dog must be very rich! Your calls are so accurate and you know so much! And nobody here takes your free tips. 10 years from now you sail at Atlant with your milkions when the rest of us longs try to find out in our dna marked sheets why we did not listen to you years ago when our stocks were still worth something.
Thank you for your free tips and patience with us "investors". Because im so stupid I will add 500more shares today.
Its not that black and white. They invested apdn before reversal split, and they bought stocks for about 14$ per share adjusted to after split. If you are intersted here is the backround: http://www.barchart.com/plmodules/?module=secFilings&filingid=9013245&type=CONVPDF&popup=1&override=1&symbol=APDN" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" >http://www.barchart.com/plmodules/?module=secFilings&filingid=9013245&type=CONVPDF&popup=1&override=1&symbol=APDN
Anyway, i think our last offering was way better deal, and im positive we will be Profitable at coming year.
I got curious with this 4,09$ mil warrant thing and I found some info from our Q3 report. Here is the quote. Explains b warrants and from whom they were bought.
They sold new stocks to institutions and bought back warrants from open market..
Now I don't understund. Buying own warrants just means they trust their future more than some daytraders that are after quick profit gaming with warrants. Or is there something I cant figure out? If I understund this correctly it seems to be great news!
Have to admit that was a nice call.
However I think there isnt many traders here. I see apdn as an investment. My goal is atleast 10 years away. I dont care about these dips. Glad i don't have to try and guess every dip and bump. Just buy when its cheap compared to my expectations.
This is clearly played heavily, might be that the rise to 9$ was also part of the plan. Dont know, and it does not matter in the end, if any of the prospects of yeasterdays report come true.
Its about warrant: apdnw. If this hits 2,51 I double my position!
Regards from Finland for everyone at the board and excuse my bad english.
I think the 25,000 comes from $.01 warrant per 0.5 stocks from the offering.
"Reflects (i) proceeds from sale of 2,500,000 warrants with a 5 year exercise period, each to purchase 0.50 shares of common stock, at $0.01 per warrant and an exercise price per share of $4.30 and (ii) proceeds if all warrants are exercised."
One warrant is worth 0.5 shares, so they have sold 2,5 million warrants to cover that 1,25 million stocks descriped at the registered offering. That makes it 25000$