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Yes, Mathias, price of product at the expense of shareholder value is Hop-on's competitive edge. There is an whole, un-tapped market out there of non-mobile phone users, like myself, who are waiting for the price of mobile phones to come down before they become users themselves. The Hop-on 1806 is a forerunner in tapping that market, and the 1502 is trying to do the same in untapped WiFi, Voip, Sim, Vsim, etc., etc. market on a price competitive basis as well. Frankly, we could care less about the 'prestige' of the label; it is 'exotic' to us to even 'use' the damn things, PERIOD.....
I would guess the 'mark-up', billy, on $39 wholesale, however, would be no more than 100%, so the retail price of the 1502 would be no more than $79, which is still $100 less than the zytec (zytel?) featured on Mathias' E-bay post. In other words, Hop-on is VERY MUCH competitive with 'its' WiFi phone on the retail market, especially if it is in essence the SAME phone as the others we've seen, but with an Hop-on logo. Actually, Dixie is my cat's name, lol... the plural 'dixiecats' comes from Dixie plus a friend's cat that was with my cat when the friend helped me set up this system, lol... Real name is Bob, which kind of sounds like Bubba???, and am always drinking beer and '2' is lucky number... BTW, I suspect Bargainhunter is Joker and Starterone is Largecap, lol.
MG, is this the phone you said you found at Office Depot? If so, note that the 'buy it now' price is $179, whereas Hop-on's 1502 and 1515 costs less than $40. Price-wise, Hop-on seems to have NO COMPETITION for its WiFi phone. You called the phone you found ZyTel?? Yet another make??
Whew!, now that's a good one, lou!!!
Yes, am really curious to see what happens after sentencing, myself. Have advised my cousin who is an Hop-on shareholder to wait until then before buying (or selling). I, myself, have done neither since r/s, but still have a buy order in for 1,000 @ .08 which I suspect it will hit BEFORE sentencing.
Yes, that has worried me, as well, since you first brought up that possibility and also the fact that he may not be allowed to serve on the board as chairman after he is sentenced may cause him to take it private I would guess; but, to 'tank it' before he took it private would be very costly for him as majority shareholder, imo...
I think a real 'effort' is now being made to sell the damn things in the U.S. At least that is the opinion I have gotten from reading Kath_aleen's posts on RB as of late; and as long as they cost less than every other brand, they should do well. Is the one you got on Ebay still working alright?
If the company owes PM alot of money, he will not want the company to 'go down' as a scam, imo: therefore, it is my supposition that he is now doing everything he can to bring the company out of 'scam status' before he is sentenced in a couple of weeks. In other words, after all is said and done, the company 'WILL SURVIVE' as a viable, competitive entity.
I think Billy's term "generic" is now 'appropo' in describing all Hop-on phones and apparently the Zytec phone you found, MG. Did you notice if the Zytec phone cost more than $39, which, apparently, is the price of the Hop-on 1502. If Hop-on produces only generic phones, then its major competition has to be considered Sirus(?) and Tracfone(?) rather than Motorola and Nokia. So, to judge Hop-on as an investment, it has to be seen whether Hop-on can sell ITS 'generic' phones for less than 'other' generic distributors (retailers?). Thus far, it seems that they are the 'least expensive' GENERIC phones, because, I suspect, they have no debt. And they have no debt, I suspect, because investors, rather than creditors, are paying for them. Just my thought on the matter, dc... ps. this may be a 'positive' for Hop-on in that it has enabled them to sell their generic phones at a lower magrin... jmo, dc.
Possible Hop-on accessory?
http://www.funlol.com/pictures/ghetto-phone-headset.html
I suspect there are Hop-on investors, like myself, who do not even own a mobile phone, let alone know the differences between a gsm, cdma, voip, etc., etc., etc. Any article I find that may enlighten me as to the technicalities of same I have tried to share with these investors. May be wrong in my opinion, however; for was computer-illiterate long before I was mobile phone illiterate, lol....
They keep investors up-to-date on what is going on in the mobile phone industry as a whole, ie., WiFi and VoIp, which includes Hop-on: but, perhaps I am in the minority as to being UP on such things, so will not post any more of these articles. Thanks, dc...
Interesting tech read:
http://alertswp.aol.com/news/news_story.psp?cat=0300&id=2005061422230001852293
If this company is a 'scam', then the so-called Dallas Research and Development Team would have to be at the 'basis' of it. It is for R&D, per my understanding, that most of the monies garnered through sale of stock have been expended. Certainly Hop-on must have a patent for its original 'disposable' phone, if for nothing else. If not, then the 'Nokia inside an Hop-on shell' discovery should have been its 'deathblow' several years ago. jmo, dc..
Yes,TCL 'manufactures' the phones, Mathias, but it is per specifications (concepts) developed by Hop-on's 'Dallas R&D team. Hop-on also does its 'own' manufacturing of phones (ie., assembling) in Mexico {and soon to be in India), is my understanding. dc..
So Hop-on, apparently, has beaten both Nokia AND Motorola to the punch as far as WiFi (and WiMax) are concerned. It sounds like in 2008 it may be said that the Nokia phone is actually an Hop-on phone in a Nokia case. Just a thought, dc...
Yes, I just happened to be watching the morning program and some lady came in with a bag of stuff she promoted as 'unique Christmas gift ideas' to Katie Couric, I believe, and one of the items she came out with was an Hop-on disposable phone as a great item you could put into a sock for Christmas. I remember she said the sound quality of the phone was excellent even if you used it for long distance. It was a yellow phone as I recall.
I remember seeing one on Good Morning America. It was touted as a 'unique' Christmas gift, as I recall.
This read reminds me of ORIGINAL disposable phone concept, but instead of CVS it would have been Walgreens:
http://alertswp.aol.com/news/news_story.psp?cat=0300&id=2005060907440001316188
Thanks, lou, I suspect my use of elipses(?), ie., "..." is for the latter, ie., "and so on". It is still apparent, however, per read on message #5097 that Siemens should have gotten into the 'low-end market' of the mobile phone industry as did Hop-on, and as Motorola NOW is apparently TRYING TO DO per the revelations at the French exposition... jmo, dc...
Also, lou, wasn't Hop-on considered a 'possible' buy-out contender by Siemens, so that Siemens could get into the so-called 'low end market'? It failed to get into that market, however, and its unwillingness to do so is now, apparently, considered 'the cause' of its downfall; so maybe, JUST MAYBE, Hop-on has had the right idea all along to 'GET INTO' this market.
Yes, billy, it looks like the same 'ol, same 'ol to me as well. Have a bid in to buy 1,000 shares @ .08 which will cost less than $100, but suspect it will soon be down to .04 when 2,000 shares can be bought at the same price. jmo, dc...
Hopefully the 'latter' is the case, entirely. Am now more interested in HPNN's 'potential', rather than HPON's past.
Great post (and reads) trk, it looks like R&D dept. is REALLY coming through for Hop-on and IS its biggest asset now and in the near future. Also shows that even though another company may be 'manufacturing' some of Hop-on's phones, it is Hop-on's OWN DESIGNS that are often being produced.
Entirely, when/and if the bid falls below .20 is when the 'average-downers' would come back in; but this time they will wait until it has 'bottomed out' before doing so. They will not 'progressively' follow it down 'doe-eyed' as they have done in the past 'without financials' or be as vulnerable to 'impulse buying' on fluff pr's. jmo, dc...
I agree, lance, until financials come out would not even 'think' of investing on an uptick. My current shares will hold until whatever, however...
I now show two more since 10:43, wistock. All the action is now over here, apparently. That's because we're more civil???
Thanks, bargain; let's start our own mantra: 'with Hop-on, patience IS a virtue'; 'with Hop-on, patience IS a virtue'; (come on, billy) with Hop-on, patience IS a virtue.. lol, dc
Entirely, your statement that "Only a blind fool does not see that Hop-on has made great strides forward. I expect reliable news of a really big sale or a major alliance any day", MAKES MY DAY. The fact that YOU of all posters has made this statement makes me GLAD that I HELD. Even if I lose what value I have left in this stock, I know that my decisions regarding same will have been influenced by "the best of the best". Have a GREAT holiday, and keep up the b_, (news), dc..
Interesting read found on Best Buy website for investors, like myself, who have never 'owned' a cellular phone.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?guideID=1043363100362&categoryRep=cat06000&type=page...
Correction:
http://www.hop-on.com/prepaid.html
Interesting though that the rebate is actually more than half the price of the phone, which shows that lower priced phones are in demand. Speaking of prepaid, have you seen this new webpage on Hop-on site: http://www.hop-on.com/prepaid/html
You're right, billy, but did find something interesting on Radio Shack website: 1) you can purchase Nokia phones 1221 and 2285 @ for $59.99 each, which is higher than Hop-on's $36 phone, BUT, EACH PHONE COMES WITH A $30 RADIO SHACK 'MAIL-IN REBATE'; SO THERE ACTUAL COST IS ONLY $29.99. This must be how Nokia is responding to low-cost phone competition. Also 2) Radio Shack is an outlet for prepaid time cards which Hop-on might want to look into for sale of its vism cards.
Thanks, billy, will also check out Best Buy.
Great, tr, have wanted to check Radio Shack as possible retail outlet for Hop-on, as well. No longer have any nearby, however. Will report to board if one found...
Thanks, bargain, yes, agreed that it's the o/s that we REALLY have to worry about. Will call the t/a again, soon, and see if I can get a count.
Yes, mg, I agree, the increase in a/s portends the same-o, same-o and would not be surprised to see my 'entire' position wiped out by dilution within the very near future, but then, I thought it was going to be wiped out within minutes after the opening bell on the 18th and instead it increased by 50%!!!!!!
So am still along for the ride, albeit a COSTLY one.... dc