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Once there is sustained revenue, share price equals EPS (earnings per share) times P/E (price to earnings ratio. So your formula should be anticipated earnings per share (annually) times the P/E multiple (which is generally high (20-ish) for a young tech giant in the making...
And doesn't Eontec have a special call a few days after ours? That gives Li enough time to get home for it!
Or perhaps the investment bank which is handling the merger is maintaining the deal pps by buying and selling as necessary. The share price of the target company generally goes up after a merger announcement. Wasn't there something from the translated Q&A from Eontec that mentioned fair share prices for both companies? This could explain it. I think we will all be thrilled after the call the more I ponder everything we know. I'd find that Q&A quote but I'm on the elliptical!
Are we going to be given something like one $10 share of a new [EONTEC + Liquidmetal] company for every 40 shares of LQMT we own? Would combining the companies into a new entity be a way for Li to fast track "re"listing on NASDAQ? And would it even be possible given the USA/China entanglement issue?
These are questions. I'm in no way spreading a rumor that this is happening. I have no information that suggests it other than a share price that keeps bumping very hard into $0.25 and not moving so much as a thousandth of a cent above it...
I'd be fine with this outcome because I deeply believe in the technology and the new leadership, and I believe the two companies are far better together than they are apart. We'll make lots of money either way over time.
Good luck everyone!
It is odd how there's such firm resistance at $0.25. With all the volume the last few days and it hit $0.25 over and over and over again (trading at odd infinite decimal numbers) but never a fraction of a penny higher...
I don't think Chung will be cashing out until long after we are re-listed on the NASDAQ and he is looking to retire!
Almost correct: Most of us pay 15% on long-term capital gains, but those in the top income tax bracket pay 20% while those in the 10% or 15% brackets pay 0%.
Roth IRAs are a lovely invention and I have a substantial LQMT position within mine.
I think you're right that Trump will drop the 20% long-term capital gains rate in the top bracket which we'll hopefully all enjoy after this thing blows way up!
http://www.fool.com/retirement/general/2015/12/14/long-term-capital-gains-tax-rates-in-2016.aspx
Not to mention the favorable tax treatment of long-term capital gains (15% tax for investments held over 1 year) vs short-term capital gains (taxed as ordinary income at a much higher rate for investments held a year or less). I know that day traders don't worry about tax consequences, but true long holders of LQMT will be very happy to pay less taxes on their significant long-term gains.
Dogz, can you please send a link to the "Q&A on Eon's website in relation to Liquidmetal"
Thanks!
in the top right there's an "EN" option for English:
http://www.e-ande.com/index.php
Unless they are lucky enough to inherit vast wealth or win the lottery, ordinary people don't get filthy rich without accepting significant risk with their investments. I'm in the same boat with a significant portion of my discretionary portfolio invested in LQMT. I just really believe in the technology and all the pieces of the puzzle are coming together. I'm staying long and strong!
Let's put it this way: IF we hear anything about anything related to Apple on 12/15, Liquidmetal will be slapped with a $50 million penalty for leaking future product info. Let's hope we hear nothing about Apple on the call. I think Li would rather spend the vast majority of his $63 million investment more productively than paying penalties to Apple.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/11/07/inside-apples-secret-confidentiality-agreements-code-names-security-requirements-fines-more
Yes, Crucible Intellectual Property is comprised of all the patents co-developed by Apple and Liquidmetal. Apple has exclusive perpetual rights for consumer electronics. Liquidmetal shares all CIP patents with Apple and can use for non-CE purposes.
The CalTech patents don't do much without the CIP patents, and we have a long time until those expire.
All of the measures included in the "score" are for more mature companies with revenue. If you are basing our valuation entirely on revenue, yes, we're way overvalued. But if you are pricing it as a technology company with lots of patented intellectual property that is just coming to market, the valuation technique you quoted is not very relevant.
Yes! And in addition to the extraterrestrial applications, I wonder how many gears exist on Earth... The ability to create maintenance lube-free gears is absolutely HUGE. And the vast majority of gears exist outside of the CE Industry.
Does this mean no more homemade marketing videos starring Otis?
Can you summarize why you expect dividends some day? I invest almost entirely in ETFs except for LQMT, and would like to know what makes you optimistic of future dividends with this company? Thanks!
It would be a huge departure for Apple to buy a materials company. Apple buys software companies, not hardware, materials, or manufacturing companies.
LIQUIDMETAL TECHNOLOGIES INC filed this Form S-1 on 11/20/2001
http://ir.liquidmetal.com/mobile.view?c=130649&v=202&d=3&id=aHR0cDovL2FwaS50ZW5rd2l6YXJkLmNvbS9maWxpbmcueG1sP2lwYWdlPTE1NDIyOTkmRFNFUT0xJlNFUT0xOSZTUURFU0M9U0VDVElPTl9QQUdFJmV4cD0mc3Vic2lkPTU3
Antitakeover provisions of our articles of incorporation and bylaws and provisions of California law could delay or prevent a change of control that you may favor.
Our articles of incorporation, our bylaws, and California law could make it more difficult for a third party to acquire us, even if doing so would be beneficial to you. These provisions could discourage potential takeover attempts and could adversely affect the market price of our shares. Because of these provisions, you might not be able to receive a premium on your investment. These provisions:
• authorize our board of directors, without shareholder approval, to issue up to 10,000,000 shares of “blank check” preferred stock that could be issued by our board of directors to increase the number of outstanding shares and prevent a takeover attempt; and
• limit stockholders’ ability call a special meeting of our shareholders.
The provisions described above could delay or make more difficult transactions involving a change in control of us or our management.
I will dig to find links to what I'm talking about, but there was some mention about the difficulties or impossibilities of taking over LQMT due to the way the company was formed. There's something in the method of formation that prevents a takeover, even if one is desired. I'll dig but if anyone knows what I'm talking about, go ahead and enlighten us!
That scenario contradicts Li's stated goal of getting LQMT relisted on the big boards.
I hope so too!
I don't believe an afterlife and that all this amazing stuff surrounding us every day of our lives is the real Heaven. However, your mention of Quantum Entanglement and the idea that the Universe as we know it is a simulation does spark some ideas.
Grandpa had a martini every single day at 5 PM (but never more than 2 in a day). The day after he died, as our extended family gathered together to celebrate his life, we saw something amazing. Just as the drinks were poured in his honor, we went outside on the deck where he enjoyed countless martinis, and looked up and saw a vivid double rainbow that stayed for quite a while.
I don't believe in an afterlife, but if Grandpa could possibly have showed us a sign, that would have been it.
I just had a thought. Looking at Liquidmetal's LinkedIn page, I only see 2 female employees. Brandy McClay (Sales and Marketing Services Manager) and Stephanie O'Keeffe (R&D Engineer). I wonder if their lack of diversity contributes to the excruciatingly tone deaf (or just deaf) communication style with investors and with the outside world.
I'm reminded of the original iPad launch. Leading up to it, there were lots of rumors speculating what Apple's inevitable tablet would be called... perhaps the iTablet, Telepod, Mobi, Tripod... and then the launch arrived and one thing became glaringly obvious: there was not a single female involved in the naming of Apple's first new product since the iPhone.
My grandfather who lived in Chicago for much of his adult life died this year 16 days shy of his 100th birthday. I really wish he'd seen the game. He would have loved it.
Yeah... very interesting......
I'm just encouraged that Li has a stake in this game. If he increases the EONTEC stock price by $1, he makes a 7.5% return. If he raises LQMT by $1, he makes a 580% return. He has a great incentive to get our stock price UP.
I hope to retire young in 2030. My dad retired at 52 and I'd like to do the same! Come on big money, big money, no whammies!!!
Now that the deal has closed, there's no reason they can't divulge much more information on the next CC. We won't hear a peep about Apple, but there's no doubt there are lots of plans for the $63 million investment, and we will hear some of those plans.
Agreed. People don't list their home as their work location on LinkedIn unless they are self-employed and have no other office to list as their work location. Hopefully this is a hint to great news on the CC. Last year it was on 11/9, the 2nd Monday of November. Would be nice to know when it's going to be this year so I can start counting down!
CNBC can't discuss any stocks not on the big boards. I wish they had a pink sheet segment!
Me either!
It's not really SSDD... It's a proven billionaire with a complementary line of business that can feed LQMT right back onto the NASDAQ (which is one of Li's stated goals). This is the best news our company has ever received. Be HAPPY!
This is very, very, very exciting news!!! Li has a lot of incentive to get our share price UP. Now the obstacles are gone and we are ready to RUN!!!
Hell yes!!!
I don't anticipate a literal "Special 10th Anniversary iPhone Edition". However, the iPhone is STALE. We're on the 3rd year of a bland design. The market is mounting pressure for Apple to release a breakthrough design that incorporates unexpected design and breakthrough technologies. Apple needs to do something to spice up the stale product. It won't be labeled Anniversary Edition but whatever they launch next year better be awe-inspiring on several levels or Apple will lose market share to smaller risk takers in the industry.