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This company's chart looks as awful as another company we know.
i agree they got hit too hard pps, but disagree on the ..itda part. Under that method, companies with zero debt would be valued the same as those with huge debt since interest is excluded. When no earnings can be made, use ebitda.
he has done a great job with marketing and is doing good for the community. We just need increased share price that correlate to real earnings. This EBITDA valuation stuff has no use in the real world imo.
we all have friends who work there. Your pretty happy with this investment? I'm not, sorry. But Arunus's new mansion being built is very impressive I must say.
don't pump too much guys......CLEC was a huge loser...we are watching. have fun pumpers
Watch out Arnold......SEC watching you and this board maybe?
20.00? LOL Is this a pump and dump board?
Let em die along with the Unions. time to tighten the belt. sorry Unions guys. too good too long.
fyi, contractions are fine to use. In fact, it would make the writer appear more human rather than robotic.IMO
please produce the pix
Torvecian has to be laughing his butt off reading our Google friends posts. Tor Acres,LOL. Unfortunately this googler has no comprehension of the reality of tovc or his riducluous conclusions. Very sad that jg needs this type of poster.
please produce the pix
Evidently institutional holders do not really exist like some want us to believe. Wow! 500 shares! What a waste of time to post that link. IMO
"After almost 10 years of waiting to see some action with the Torvec products, I fail to understand why no one else is speaking about going to Watkins Glen.
The RIT event was another opportunity to support a Torvec technology unveiling. IMO, the RIT race team would have won that competition if it wasn't for a technicality with a radiator cap." Sounds like another DARPA excust to me.
Why would anyone waste $'s on gas to go to Watkins Glen or RIT? What would be the purpose? Show me the Money and also show me the pix.
Just goes to prove newspeed that i have always told the truth. I had no dog in that fight. Thats good news for the g's.
Sorry dino, but i didn't know anything about the ceo stuff until you posted that info on this board.
No one on the board IMO. But this Co. evidently needed $100K cash or else that transaction would never happen. Maybe our fellow CEO of a batavia co will shed some light on this, and maybe the same Pfd shareholder tapped himself out? Very interesting. KNOT BAD WHAT DO YOU THINK? Sorry, my Caps key got stuck. Maybe they took cash they received from the ICE sale as part of their new comp package?
Your post was funny IMO. Let me get to the point since you will not respond thru a question to all numb. Is TOVC TECH in UPS trucks? Yes or No will be acceptible. Very simple question. Your lack of reply will say it all. Please tell the truth and a sarcastic reply which you have not done yet like current mgmt (JG, JAG or JYG) has done will not be acceptable.
thank you
Evidently this investor's proceeds of $100K for tovc stock went directly to tovc in an undisclossed private deal. If you and i buy $100K of tovc stock, on the Open market, the money does not pass thru tovc . So apparently this investor that bought Common shares like most of us has insider information that the rest of us Commons do not have privy to? Lawsuit baby! Also this only means tovc has NO CASH FOR FUTURE Past 1-2 months operations! Jimmy, YOU are to funny.Cant wait for allnum logic on this one
please produce the pix
I am unable to understand your opinion(s) because there is a disconnect between what posters say and what meaning you attach to them. And more importantly your conclusions you somehow come to when you read something,and as always, the point(s) you are trying to make with this issue and most every other issue you raise. BTW, what is the relevance? IF IMO you are trying to belittle someone, I suspect you can find a more appropriate way of doing it without it having a reverse affect as is usually the case.
please produce the pix
"...to constantly blame the ceo's is absurd..."
myhyland, isn't that what current mgmt has done forever and continues to do so? Haven't they blamed everyone in the past, except themselves, for not doing a deal?
thanks for a great update.........
but you have skipped over one important issue here. Is tovc tech in UPS trucks? And if it is, has it been in their trucks since it was mentioned 2-3 years ago when jg made the sarcastic comment about it at the meeting?
thanks again
please produce the pix
"Ok, so you don't think that any testing is going on behind the scenes....get over it"
How in the world did you conclude that I don't think any testing is going on?
Ok, you have been sarcastic enough to me so I will tell you what we discussed.(only one tidbit though). jg and i had a nice chuckle about your comments on gross profit %. I won't go any further because i do not want a tos violation to occur.
please produce the pix
imo, you read way to much in to words that are spoken and written. Not everything has such a deep meaning attached to it.
what was achieved with the intended results you refer to?
I will leave you with your unchangable thoughts since you are unyielding to facts and what our leader says and has said.
Have fun in fantasy land. EVERYONE (as you try to mislead without any basis) in the auto industry is testing or buying tovc inventions. Very cool of you to spin here. That is what you are trying to portray here. hope you are correct.
Your arguments really do not make much sense to me IMO. But keep pushing, hopefully a buyer will buy into the illogical thoughts.
please produce the pix
Please tell me which conclusions that I have made in the past that, in your opinion, you think are wrong.
I would have to say the UPS trucks having tovc tech in them is one example. jg said that sarcasticlly, but you continue to think otherwise.
And yes, I believe the deposition is public record so details could be shared. The deposition was merely a harassment tactic by mgmt. Contrary to some on this board and mgmt, there was never a connection to cxo by me or sheriff. Questions were asked and we answered under oath. Apparently jg does not understand under oath since he still says he has pix of me. Hence my new signature at the bottom of my posts. "Produce the pix please"
Not sure why you are so persistant and obstanate about something that is so basic IMO. I understand you try to to be an If A, then B kinda person like we all learned in college logic 101 and do respect what you have learned, but imo the conclusions you draw from certain things are incorrect as told to me personally by JG on State Street after my Deposition. Why do you persist on illogical conclusions?
PS. The "ludicrous" "lucrative" stmts which you do not understand are in (or were, until editited) are in the SEC filings. Shamefull and a very POOR representation of our current mgmt.
But again, regardless as to their validity, CXO was fired on 8/18/05, and notified of their termination through official means in the fall of 2005, thus ended their contract with the company effective 6/60/06, which cut all official ties between the two parties.
So any of the thoughts and comments about 6/30/08 having any meaning whatsoever to Torvec or their shareholders is completely false and 100% bogus.
The above sounds like facts tovc4me obtained from JG and DS. Hopefully tovc4me will clarify for us if that portion of the post was his opinion.
please produce the pix
Thanks StockSwap. That was what i was trying to say in essence. The June 30, 2008 date has been addressed on this board by tovc4me which came directly from mgmt. To think that tovc is holding on to a major deal waiting for 6/30 to pass just doesn't pass the smell test IMO. I remember newspeed spreading the rumor that jg was(at that time) holding on to a MAJOR deal for nine months. It's been at least another nine months since he started that rumor. I respect your opinion allnumb, but that is not how business works. You catch the fish when it is on the hook and then you reel him in. You don't leave him dangling on the hook for months or years cuzz most likely, if you do that, the fish will get away.
I assume that with all of the recent activity in the auto industry happening and that you are posting here, none of which includes TOVC I might add,that you are counting us out of a serious commercializing event in the near and not so near future.I somewhat agree that nothing will happen in 2008,2009 or 2010 for very different reasons than you.I assume you are JOKING about that "ludicrous"lucrative" date of June 30, 2008? Of course that date you keep referring to has never been serious, has it? I hope not for your sake.
I understand fully why you are asking that question. It was definately A
re: Comp Pkg.........
I have no issue regarding the Compensation package of $300,000 per year for each Gleasman.
However, just contemplate this. Why would they award themselves this if a serious offer/ tender were in the works in a short time period as we all want to think? Makes zero sense to me IMO. If we were as close as they make us want to believe to a SUBSTANTIAL commercializing event then $300K to to them is Chump change when they would be rewarded hundreds of millions of dolllars if they could ever make a deal that we were told would. That is ONLY one of the reasons that this Company is not truthfull to us as shareholders.
PS. Jim , please send me the pics you have of me with CXO that you say you have. Why do you lie? Mr. Rizzo, stop your client of setting himself up for a lawsuit. Depositions are completed and the truth is now public info.
I remember the events in a way that the American Tier One supplier got exactly what they wanted, and, at the time, we didn't even know what it was that they wanted.
What was it that the Tier One wanted at the time you are referring to? As of today, we still do not know what the want, do we?
Sorry, but i do not understand what you are saying. You are trying to say it was a "war" and the word "bidding" was not implied?
The answer to your question jfs is much simpler than we all than we want to hear.
Hi Dino - Thanks for posting the "mods" rules.
Not sure why you feel he is in violation. Is it because he has changed his position? If so, then under your logic, wasn't he also in violation of the rules when he was the biggest cheerleader for the company? Why didn't you post the "rules" violation at that point? Please explain. Thanks in advance for your reply.
EOM
Thanks tovc4me.
The Air Force has ordered an FTV, and they are traveling around the country showing others a video of our FTV while telling them how advanced the FTV is compared to our competition.
Could you please shed some light whether it is still the "Fast"TV or "Ford"TV. If in fact it is still the original name, maybe you could answer why the company has continually referred to it as being a Ford product.
The "misinformation" is totally irrelevant. would that ever in any way influence you to buy or sell this stock? If you do not like the moderators position then maybe it would be better to disagree with him based on facts that actually mean something, not this % stuff. BTW, with your new name, I assume there may be a TOS violation of using 2 alias's at once?
June 30, 2006 was not the day that they "left the table" was it? Didn't the "battle" between them happen much earlier than that?
I haven't been on the board since 4/22/2007. The closing price at that time was $4.20. Yesterdays close was $2.35. Yes, I can see now very clearly why some feel that much progress has been made in the last year. Would appreciate someone to give us a logical explanation as to why we should be so happy with our investment.
Let me be the first to welcome you back sheriff.
Dread, I also have not been able to sleep since April 2007 knowing that the Ihub box had that ownership % discrepancy on it. As a shareholder, that is very important information to me.
Lets see if the SAIC mgmt really monitor the ihub board. Will be interesting. Maybe tovc's expert in chinese culture and business is halucinating? or worse yet.........