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Well this about it for me here ladies and gents 9 percent of my position remains and I'm happy once I adjust american into canadian dollars (good fx today at 1.16) 10k turned into 25k . I was here from the beginning but over time enough things have occurred that have made me say "risk off" . Firstly , I am not fond at all for the ever changing business plan , sure nate had a succesful track record but from the 8ks first they want to forgo grocery because of capital intensiveness (reason bb went bankrupt) then forgoe an actual 100k purchase order for the big grocery , then come back to online distribution , (I personally feel the negotiations with big box stores are not going well Imo ) we shoulda had news already . I was furious reading about the dividend that is just assinine paying that kind of yield when it should be re invested ,
Then to come out and say the series b will be tradeable ... these are convertible 1000-1 , if nate and company bwlieve the best way to profit is by outright trading series b vs converting it tells me there isn't much faith in the pps anymore . The 8ks started becoming more generalized and reminiscent of a lot of doobie stocks Imo I saw a yr ago . I'm summary while I could be completely wrong , and I wish you longs the best of luck . I feel for my assets at risk it is best to sit on the sidelines and keep watching the development of the company . Also fwiw embr those finacisl statements were garbage it's not so much they lost 1.8m it's the why . And when I see 950k in compensation I can't help but wonder wtf is actually going on . The old saying goes "when in an doubt get out "
How is everyone feeling about that 8k ?
Good analysis , just going to give a slight correction "macd lines coming together bullish" ... Kind of.. The macd line vs signal line is a measure of momentum , while the macd line is below the signal line (bearish) the rate at which the macd line is decreasing is less than the rate at which the signal line is decreasing (bullish ) otherwise the macd just crossed the zero line which signals the trend is actually bearish now. Plus it looks like the trend could be short lived and whipsaw back into positive territory but that's a forecast vs a read at which point if you get the bullish momentum cross above the zEro line a macd enthusiast would be quite stoked !
Id rather they not pay dividends if legitimate it should lower pps , div yield their projecting is to high anyways , reinvest back into operations . To your point made at 11:01 about shipping to China and 150 dollars per can . Clearly you've never exported anything as the costs are a) built into the cnf (destination price ) b) if they were fedex (ing) products over night which would never happen you would be able to discount a bulk rate relative to a single unit . I don't disagree I think export and dividends are rediculous prs but at the end of the day your investing in forecasted P/E ratios on the whole 300k shares authorized .... Never ever on outstanding . And even at a similar revenue stream to batter blaster , your shares you be trading at .22 cents basis diluted forward eps . But hey why use numbers right when you can just get short come on a message board a blast a company ? You will always make more money over a long run average being short pennies and slamming on the message board as the success rate of pinks is minimal .
Maybe it does maybe IT doesn't but if we don't get some kind of tangible distributor news I think you would be suprised . Markets have tendencies to overshoot directional moves and revert to the mean especially after parabolic moves that we witnessed . But hey if your here for the long run like many of us it's all noise but needs to be taken into consideration for risk management . Pennies even though long
Term should be checked up on more frequently than say a low p/e crude stock or low book to market (perceived undervalued companies ) just due to the nature of the beast that is pennies lol
The lack of volume on the buy side when testing new monthly lows tells me that traders believe they still can get cheaper shares . I do honestly think we trickle lower short term until we can get some kind of confirmation on grocer placement . I trade techs and fundamentals and right now I hate to admit it as a net long , but I do think I can buy some 4-6s soon . I think enough new entrants basis accumulation distribution volume and timing coinciding with market releases , that there is enough longs who are net long the teens , and are far from capitulation , if this is a scam (not saying it is ) the steucture is set up to defer capitulation selling (kudos) some which I don't think with the back story this has and the potential if this is real we will retest the trips or evens 2s . But if nothing fundamental comes out for two three weeks we will move back to mean .
Sorry for the massive amount of spelling mistakes jn previous email , it's from my iPhone and autocorrect isn't helping much .
But his comment is a lie there is no investigation , it's the same user going to a complain board on i hub . So why can't investors just flood the board saying they heard a costco:Walmart deal is done . Or nate told me in an email about a 500k can purchase order ? What's the difference in substance ? I respect the value a message board can bring in terms of ideas and discussions and (analysis and believe me I use that word lightly for the bulk of people here ) but to making things up is worse than getting off topic on this message board and believe me I've had several comments taking down that have slighty strayed off topic (Ask a person for a rebuutle) . You know to anyone who is new at this and may be reading tomorrow , remember this product actually exists , shares aren't convertible for a year , if this was just a transfer of funds or wb partners sells all the shares their getting paid how does nate make money , why dump the shares all at once when production hasn't even started ? It's the same product same patent , with a succesful history . Let this play put out orders around 4-6 turn your screen off for a year come back and thank me . You don't make money without taking risk and the risk is this could be like any other damn company that pumps prs and dumps shares . Only the former is happening and the notified the public of the brokers ahead of time . Turning a patent into a marketable product is far far more profitable in the long run than . Gotta think 5 years plus in this one folks . But you gotta gamble in the meantime while we have to confirmation of grocer placement , so ask yourself do you believe this is the guy to get the job done ? If soo put your orders in . Goodnight folks .
i think its funny the arguing about technicals , honestly if you can't trade fundamentals and technicals together you are never ever going to be a good trader period . You will spend your life scrapping by and be a dime a dozen . The techs are bearish they have been since nov 24 , I'm not Saying you can't scalp on this stock but given the liquidity your scalping couple 100 bucks a day at best ... Come on trade the trend and put your big boy pants on . To the poster your called a head and shoulders top prior to the left shoulder even being in , all credibility should be gone after that , so just because you hit a couple ma targets you think your a genius ... Let's be real bro . Unfortnatley seeing the selling pressure that hits positive momentum days I am much more inclined to say we test .04 to six vs a retest of the highs , a deal needs to be done (something tangible) something fundamental . from a fundamental side a2 to q2 is a joke , so your prioritizing deals you don't have and should have had two weeks ago according to the nov 18 8k and your forgoing what was quoted to be 100k purchase order for what ? Maybe I'm completely wrong here but you don't forgo positive revenue on a start up for something "bigger and better " . My bullshit meter had gone from a 1.5 out of 10 to a 3.5 out of 10 . Please don't let me down nate . Just stop with the bulkshit press releases , there doing more harm than good
Not true at all , a reverse split is another way of distributing capital . It's on same wave length of dividends , both are ways to distribute capital . Why do so ? the other way is to reinvest the capital into the company . When management makes these decisions (in large companies ) they look at what will increase the pps or enterprise value of the firm the greatest (ie provide the highest return on investment ) most times the firm has many positive net present value projects they can undertake and will choose the greatest return vs return on reverse stock split and dividends . The latter are only distributions of capital and moving around on the balance sheet (they don't create net worth ) however the public is horny for dividends and Income streams . But Imo I would like to see a long term prospect like this company have better use for their capital . Capital is of the utmost importance to a start up , don't toss it away . Pps will increase at a greater rate over the longer term if they focus on maximizing earnings per share , that will bring the big boys to the table not a reverse split or 30% dividend yield
What makes you think a good chunk of these stocks haven't hit the market since the wave from trips to .12 . I agree there is compensation shares to be dumped . But I disagree the bulk of them remain . Rule 1 when receiving shares as compensation is to dump ASAP . And when you have triple digit shares multiplying 10x20 times their worth in less than a few weeks you sell them then you don't hold onto them for a year down the road
Google a bubble chart and look how this is setting up not saying it is but damn I don't like the chart structure one bit . Sure the lower royalty rate is great and dividends are good and the yield at 7.75 % which I quoted this morning is solid . However that is quarterly and that's too much someone mentioned putting money back in the company and I agree . 29 percent anualized is moronic . It suggest to me the companies best way to return with to the shareholders is through a huge dividend . I don't like that as they should be able to return higher than I can . But more importantly what makes me the most nervous (and I'm not saying I'm running for the exit I will gamble ) but the pr takes attention away from the fact there is supposed to be a distribution deal . While it's unrealistic to think he will forecast a closing deal with the master broker to the day , I'd rather have a pr to tell me that's still in the works than this dividend bs . I've seen this before and typically these types of prs never end well . Fingers crossed this time is different . Readin between the lines it appears bullish the company is filing form 4s regarding acquisitions vs disposals ;however , that tells me something else . The deal didn't go well otherwise i don't think insiders can acquire open market shares prior to something they know or ought to have known will materially affect the share price .
Already on board mate been here since day 1 of the rm. everyone needs to remeber these guys wanna hit the big board and to get there I think they need to be >1 not <.1 where are all the shorts today ?
Let's say they produce 25 mill cans , dividend at .025 , is 625k total dividends . There is 67.2 mil outstanding so .0093 per share . Let's say you buy 100k shares at .12 . So a 12k intial investment . You get 930 /12k or a dividend yield 7.75 %
Are you serious ...? I mean really . you are calling a head a shoulders top prior to the head and rs . Lol that actually makes me laugh out loud . Your comments about rsi re setting are valid and it's good to see 20dma hold , but you can't make chart observations by forecasting formations ... Chartist interrupt formations not predict them with their crystal ball . Fwiw the only formation you can attempt to asses to this chart today (that's key word when reading charts ) is desc triangle at which point you don't know to be long or short until the break out . Or alternatively you could make the assessment this is a parabola move at which point we are creating long term base two ... Enjoy your holidays man
I'd also like to express how damn happy I am it's non dilutive you just never know with pennies if they trade shares for services (ie extending credit ) this is a much much bigger deal than I think people are perceiving it . Happy thanksgiving my american nhmd buds
Before everyone jumps at me for this comment .... But IMO I believe nate would pay him a royalty vs an interest rate . So IMO the positive out weighs the negatives if my royalty theory is correct . Positives : non dilutive financing secured (now where really up and running ) need to walk before we run here and that seems to be exactly what's happening . Negative is lowers gross margins ... Which from sthc prospective you don't extend credit to an "unproven" high risk entity ... This is where the royalty comes from . But hey at 7.99 a can I couldn't be more please I was under the assumption from May-oct these puppies would be selling sub 5
Tough calling someone an examiner , that's isnt a cfa or cpa , I mean it's fine most believe this is a long term hold and if revenue projections are even 40 percent correct and the company fully uses the 300k authorized then the stock is still a discount on forward diluted eps forecasts . But hey why use forward projections .... When we have current data , because 1 quarter already represents the next and so on and so forth ... It's not like when you do a dcf you forecast for last period vs 10 years out ... Give me a break man . You think Apple or Google or monster or well any company is solely based on how they did the previous quarter .... No way that's built into the market . The future is how a stock should be evaluated . So to accredit someone an "examiner " seems far fetched .
So I take a read a little closer for the third time .... The author has no position no compensation but may intiate a short position within the next 72 hrs .... I'm sorry but IMO you shouldn't be able to write crap like this from a site many people actually read , and then have the option to get short (that's the biggest conflict of interest ever and at the same time i cannot think of a better example of market manipulation ... F&k I thought shorts were bad enough on this board violation sec rule (9)(a)(2) but from an "accredited" source with a logo called investor protection agency ... Come on man . I guess that's why pennies are a knife fight . Getting ready for real cheapies now .
Sure there truth to it company was developing the product during the quoted quarter prior to that crra was a shell company (that's how reverse mergers work) the solid private company acquires the shell so hence even before this quarter the balance sheet show nothing . I mean why hasn't anyone ever mentioned the fact the sga was for development and basically these guys paid themselves nothing . Imo if you ever look at a balance sheet with no revenues you better not see a heavy sga , which nates doesn't have .
Nhmd facts: sold 10k in 20 minutes , sold 100ks for distribution q1 2015
, INSIDER BUYING at in the teens , yes not selling . Shares cannot be converted for a year . If anyone in their right mind believes a start up company should have a strong balance sheet prior to the first sale and even product development , I'd like to see it ! Hell is argue if your b/s is cash heavy during development phase your under utilizing capital .
Another funny thing about seeking alpha and I challenege any to refute my argument but they are writers not analysts . A writer doesn't produce a forward projection of free cash flows or a discounted cash flow analysis, they look at the current financial statements , (which represent a company developing a product ) . In the real world stocks have much more weight towards forward p/e projections and trade multiples based upon this . Although a lot of what the writer is saying holds validity , it lacks any level of judgement /forecast on the company ... IMO shame to the writer , in any proper analysis someone would have shown a sensitivity analysis showing the likely hood of different scenarios and the probability of said scenario and how that manifests into a eps calc from then . Do your own dd folks and measure the forecasted financial success based on diluted eps x industry multiple vs current outstanding for basic eps . You know overtime all of the a/s will become o/s and the company still is heavily undervalued IMO basis the diluted eps .
Still hung up on last quarters balance sheet before product was even ready . Man this next q can't come fast enough
I wouldn't hold my breath on that but another day I imagine with 50 plus precent short Interest and the market holding , speaks good for a breakout in next two weeks . Sentiment of the market seems to be quite convinced this is a bad time to exit your long , breakout seems imminent .
Thanks I went down that way tried the 7 day trial but maybe it's not the same for Canadians vs Americans , maybe il just sprinkle 10k in there and if nates ever comes down I can hold some shares in two banks . Thanks for input fellows , appreciate it
Sorry no pm yet , just wanted to know any comments on the l2 for pinks . Is it comparable to td , is it missing info like who the mm or Ecn is , etc . I have my own charting through work , but it's only for commodity boards my stocks are 15 min delayed . So any comments on the chatting and streaming quotes as well .
Thanks I like the idea of keeping all my shut in one place and need the leverage from my bank on futures and other plays , so was just looking for quotations / which I just read about ihub for the first time . But Ya lots suggest td maybe that's where I need to be
Anyone use l2 services from i hub , my bank doesn't l2 at all (which isn't a problem because I'm an investor in this stock vs a day trader , but would love to have some l2 for informational purposes . Can anyone comment if they have the ihub version . Thanks for any responses .
T minus 10 minutes until the shorts get here
Today was damn interesting , consolidating in chart and volume (classic ) flag and pennant formation . I do like the accumulation of buyers willing to purchase in the 15s , IMO we won't create a short covering rally until buyers willing to accumulate 19/20 . But we're making headway .
Ya anywhere between tomorrow and three years from now lol...
Please remember to remind the board nhmd only had 2k in the bank last quarter . Can't make pancake cans with only 2k cash . This has got scam written all over it doesn't it wise ! .08 soon lol .... (Didn't want to forget the day trader )
Again it's purchase order financing not equity financing . It's ok though , for some that's hard to wrap their head around . Should I sell all my shares to avoid this dilution scam ? Please inform . Again thank you For the insite you are a gentleman and a scholar sir.
I'm no genius but I get the sense I have an idea how much it cost per unit on variable costs to create the unit . Wb verbal agreement is for 200-250k for 100k cans , let's split the middle and call it 2.25 . Cannot infer the fixed cost per can yet as we dont know the warehouse cost and terms of financing or years of use and salvage value (for depreciation calc) all should be known in time but 2.25/can plus 7.5% royalty of the top of sales still leaves a hefty margin possibility to deduct the fixed . Anyone with processing knowledge have an idea on gross margins . I used 20 percent in my dcf minus 7.5 percent so 18.5% . (I also only used a sales price of 5 bucks which was the old quote ..: have not updated since selling 7.99 per can !)
Can someone who went to the vegas meeting hook me up with the email address from the guy from wb that said he was happy to answer any questions . Was it Joseph wade ?
Oh agreed on not selling now just mentionig if you believe in nate you in theory also believe in wb which is a large part of making nhmd a success . IMO you can't like one and not the other (to some extent) given how active wb has been in helping nhmd get to this point ie the rm and announcements of financing on their 8k this morning
Supports holding boys ! Love the call option play on the warehouse too if you believe in nate you got cheapies on another board right now through the warehouse .... Man do I love a good option play . Keep it up nhmd
Ya I'm playing with house money covered my investment and now just waiting , I do remember you from day 1 after the rm in May .
Can I offer one piece of advise : try not to ever view an investment as a life changer , I know it's hard with the one even I've done it . But always take the stance there are much much more people with shares a 1/10 , take profits when your profit targets are hit (I'm not saying sell the whole position ) but out of the 1000s of trades I've made and the millions won/lost , my biggest regrets are not the ones where I didnt havr enough money in a trade or leaving money on the table , my regrets are from my trades I've gotten way to big on at the wrong time (especially illiquid ones ) but he'll who am I to talk I have 25 percent of my portfolio in this one and leveraged money sitting in the weeds , but I sure don't believe I'm going to 20x my investment more like 2-5 ...
I was being sarcastic man but thanks for your honesty , I'm a professional trader working for a fortune 100 company .... I do my own dd and don't listen to a damn thing anyone on this board says when it comes to recommendations . I actually like this board because it's the easiest place for me to get my nhmd updates , the moderators do a good job keeping the garbage posts to a min , and brining all the nhmd info together . Cheers mate