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The 10 day DMI chart is what you want to see the 3 month chart look like.If you check the DMI+ and ADX on the link below, you'll see What (GOOD) means. Both ADX and DMI+ above 40 heading up!! EVERYONE should have bought Monday at 12 noon !
You got to look at this chart if, you want to see DMI work as I use it for profitable swing trades. 10 day 1 hour to buy & 5 day 15 minute to sell!
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/javachart/javachart.asp?symb=gtel&time=&freq=
Fashion Sorry I forgot to answer the rest of your question. GTEL; on the 3 month long look; the DMI+ has just crossed the DMI- (good) the ADX has been above both DMI+&DMI- for a long time (good) and as of today the ADX has started to cross the DMI+ at arround 26 (good). If the DMI+ continues up,as expected, and the ADX turns up or stays between DMI+/DMI- without crossing the DMI- lower , we'll have a great climb ahead. If the ADX starts down to cross the DMI-(below), the trend should change!
fashionman
1st you should understand, this indicator is known as a long term indicator, to show trending in a stock PPs. I use it short, to buy or sell. If you go back in my posts you can find how I use it, no idea why it works so well, as I use it, but it does.
Now the DMI+ indicates the stocks PPs is going up and the DMI-down. When the + crosses the -, you buy, simple. When the - crosses the +, you sell. the larger the distance between the two the more volitility.
Now the hard part, the ADX line. It is the average of the DMI+&DMI-, It shows trending and expected strength of the trend, measured from zero to 100.
Lets see, how do I start;
1. When ADX is below 20 you should not own and when it is above 40 it's ok to own.
2. When the ADX is going up the PPs is TRENDING up, (good), the longer the ADX goes up the stronger the up trend. The reverse for down.
3. So at any given time you can have many indications at once from this one line.( I am going to cover positive movement, but it goes both ways)
3 a. If the ADX is below 20 moving up towards the 40, (good)
3 a 1. If it is between 20 & 40 going up (better)
3 a 2. If it above 40 going up (best) should have bought before this.
3 b. If that movement is happening over a longer time span, that is better, as the trend will continue longer.(show movement to be a climb up, not run up)
3 c. ON sharp upward movements from below 20, will show a Strong run or the lower the ADX to zero you start the move up; the more change can be expectd. Same for long climbs.
Many more combo's but I stop there, because that covers the basics. Now over lay the ADX on the DMI+/DMI-.
The best thing to see is the ADX as low as possible, going up to the DMI- and continuing up through th DMI+. long.
Any time the ADX cross either DMI lines from the bottom (good) if it happens just after the DMI+ crossed the DMI- this is the optimum point to make sure you own!!
Another very good thing to see is the DMI+ has crossed the DMI- and is continuing to go up, while the ADX it already above 40 and it crosses the DMI up there and turn up with the DMI+ climb. This would be what you want to see if you own, because it shows a continuing climb up!
I'll try to find some time this weekend to put a visual together and post it.
Success.
Long term DMI also setting up like FEB run, 1st time in 3 months. Seems the more longer term indicators we look at, the more look like Feb's run!
All I see, now volume confirmed, says this is not a normal 3 day breakout run, but a climb!
Very strange EOD volume, did what I expected, but PPs ran. Daytraders did't jump today? Well for that matter, the entire days trading was strange. Glad to be wrong this time.
DMI link;
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/javachart/javachart.asp?OKButton=+OK+
Cab more of the same!
I'd expect volume to pick up last hour, instead of lowering last hour, as daytraders jump for the day. PPs may lower some, many more daytraders than momentum player today. Momentum player tend to swing and hold longer, but daytraders always exit!
Actually, if you check the charts, you'll see volume declined drastically Tues,Wens, & today from noon to 2pm. Small pop at 3, finished lowest volume of the day by 4pm. PPs stable 2pm to 4pm.
Don't hold me to it, but I was told once, 911 meant use phone.
And with all the MM arguing going on since 11 AM, and the triple under 1k signals, I'd guess there are allot of upset MMs that can't get together with signals and some want to take the next step and use phone calls.
Today is the most prolific MM signaling in a long time.They must see some big time pressure. There have been zero holds ( trading stops)This means there are so many orders building up on their desks, all day, they can't sit on them for a minute.
Can there be any trader that doesn't believe MMs talk now? I mean this is so obvious!!! Obvious it's not helping today. LOL
Thinking about calling Schb OTC:BB and just asking what triple number mean. They don't seem to care if anyone knows they signal anyway today. Maybe they will think I'm a little MM that doesn't have the cheat sheet yet. LOL
success!
Boom; Never saw it, but expect just some upset MM stomping his foot and shaking his finger. Because they can't seem to get their game together today. They are actually arguing with signals. Started after they couldn't hold at 2 cent gain. Just to many buy orders on their desks to control IMO LOL
I love it!
success!
Been watching the tic by tic today, this is the best day I've had in over a year, watching MMs fight, wiggle and loose over and over, 3, no 4 times. Notice higher lows each fight, which formed a up trend line arround 11AM, I knew they lost then! I
Just before lunch they were arguing with themselves. Really, some wanted to give up take it higher big time, for volume profits and some wanted to take it down big time, to cut losses.
I expect the line was big MMs wanted up and little MMs wanted down. But seeing a lows, up, intrasday trend line, told the story. This move is established, period!
At any rate I got more volume than I wanted last night and confirmation has confirmed. Haven't checked charts yey, but expect this up trend to continue , now that volume confirmed strength.
NO news, 2 days green, wow is this GTEL? LOL
success!
Heres a look at very shot term indicators; notice aroon only 3day, macd 5-12-8, & BB 20-2. All indicate up trend still. Hope my volume (MMplay) concerns are unwarrented.
BB center line cross, macd center line cross, aroon up highest & down headed back down, only actual EOD volume not acting correctly, to confirm!
Juststocks forget post425, I forgot, I decided to watch shorter term, to target daily movement and change my chart to 5 day & 3 day.
My comments today refer to 5 day & 3 day, not 5 & 8. Interesting 3 day shows 2 day parallel climb, time to actual event, yesterday & today and 5 and 8 day don't show it at all. Seems better for what is actually happening day to day.
Tech mentioned to watch the macd 0 cross over with aroons earlyer. I can see how that combo will be benifical because the aroons use trade freqency and macd uses volume, may be a good way to see the volume comformation at the same time.
I'll look at that, Tech !
Your 8 day aroon looks different than the one at stockcharts! We're seeing different things, for todays action.
PS: the reason I've been saying 3 day run is not because I can see the length in the indicators, but a normal run is 3 days on average, before a retrace. Volume confirms this, actually I want to see steady volumes, not increasing or decreasing. I want to see a steady climb, not a breakout run with retrace.
But as I see the aroon today with lower volume IMO this is a 3day run at best! Sorry but I see weaker interest and thats when all the MM plays, that have been occuring the past several days, start working.
We'll see, look for a good volume in the AM to continue this up trend! Like to see 3 mill by 10/10:30am, 5 by 11am and 8 by noon!
Juststocks
If you go back a little to JAN 24, you'll find the patterns match better. Aroon (5 & 8 day) with up staying at top and down fluxing at, or to bottom, shows me length of climb will continue longer. The longer the climb the more PPs we'll see up. This needs increased volume to confirm they will stay that way. Which todays lower volume shows the run may be over tomorrow and the up may head down.
As I umderstand the crossover, up over down,Which occured Apr 2 on the 5 day and the distance(time)between the up paralells on the 8 day, shows the strength of the climb. Higher the cross or wider the paralells the larger the breakout.
Thus if you want a huge breakout, you want high cross over with wider gap between paralells. If you want a longer climb, the longer the up stays up and the down the longer the steady climb. Normally steady volume or increasing, confirms continuation.
I wanted 18 to 20 mill volume today, but we got 10 mill, showing weakness. And Why I think the retrace may start before the 3 days are done.
Volume doubled in the half hour since the MM dam broke. Good sign the buying pressure is there to keep this going!
This MMplay of keeping spread so tight that there was no difference from the buy/sell trade, only showed up once or twice last year!
PS:TECH not looking to sell, long lump at .27, after my double .14 to .28, added some the other day at .25. I'm in until at least xmass with long lump and .32 with what I got recently, like to hold lump and swing 25% profits on the smaller holdings. Did the samething last year, but dumped the lump Xmass for a tax loss. After 8 2 cent swings.
I've called Gtel a win win since I got in, just had to get my double after the new year. Which worked out good tax wise for me.
'Transat 5'
Just luck, who knows when SCHB will let go, except SCHB. LOL But daily trading showed it had to happen! And all TA said it should!
As we discussed before, all indicators say climb! Love to see EOD volume to 20 mill after yesterdays 18 mill. That would comfirm at least 3 days.IMO
From barcharts:
Composite Indicator
Trend Spotter TM Hold
Short Term Indicators
7 Day Average Directional Indicator Buy
10 - 8 Day Moving Average Hilo Channel Buy
20 Day Moving Average vs Price Buy
20 - 50 Day MACD Oscillator Buy
20 Day Bollinger Bands Hold
Short Term Indicators Average: 80% - Buy
20-Day Average Volume - 17237176
Medium Term Indicators
40 Day Commodity Channel Index Hold
50 Day Moving Average vs Price Buy
20 - 100 Day MACD Oscillator Buy
50 Day Parabolic Time/Price Sell
Medium Term Indicators Average: 25% - Buy
50-Day Average Volume - 28729000
Long Term Indicators
60 Day Commodity Channel Index Hold
100 Day Moving Average vs Price Buy
50 - 100 Day MACD Oscillator Buy
Long Term Indicators Average: 67% - Buy
100-Day Average Volume - 19387156
Overall Average: 56% - Buy
Price Support Pivot Point Resistance
0.2690 0.2330 0.2640 0.2950
The buying pressure just broke the dam, while I was typing my last post!
My eval of aroon told me at least 3 day climb. We shall see!
Success!
Nothing but accumulation today, after 1st hours play. Look at the spread the last hour & a half, .0007, same as saying every trade is a buy event though about 10% are traded at the bid .2693. LOL
IMO this spread is not trader made! What trader that wants to buy or sell 10K shares would care about $7.00? But what MMs would like to stop a steady climb?
IMO MMs have nothing but buy orders on their desks and I expect a crazy late day if traders don't pull the orders. All MMA signals say buying pressure so far !!! May get another pump & dump before EOD. IMO Expect green EOD.
greenhornet1
Choose the time you feel you are going to hold the stock and use daily numbers which encompass that time frame. That's why oscillators allow you to change the numbers.
Each type may have different standard deviations required to function properly, which should be keep in mind. Meaning the spread in days or % between upper and lower numbers. This you will have to learn by DD ing each.
Success !
Just stocks
Just got back from shopping and thought I'd check the old arrons!
Aroon doing well, matching PPs movement still (except Q4 release day). You got your parallel on the 8 day today and I got my up move on the cross over, timed perfectly. I noticed one more thing. If you watch which indicator reaches the bottom first, it seems thats the way the next move will go. dn 1st = next move down - up 1st = next move up.
1/2 hour of tic by tic M&M TALK! Odd trades, mms see pressure orders on desks, (ask or bid)(up or down); under 1k trades, MMs see large block orders (ask or bid)(up or down); As you read their talking to each other, watch the PPs movement match!
pps .269 Stable since my last post for 5 minutes Then,11:34 800 - 650 - 800 - 500 (ask) blocks higher - 41920 (odd @bid)I want lower, 11:40; 4 against 1; up we go, 150k traded (2 trades)@ .27; 11:44 180 (ask)blocks up there - 100k .273 at 11:49; 715 (ask)more up there 11:51 .275 now we're up .006,; 11:52 500 - 800 - 750 - 910 - 10150 (ask)still buying pressure 11:56 100k trades, 1875 (odd @bid)lower please, then 6875 - 3125 (ask) no way,12:01 .276 noticed odd trades mixed in larger size trades, may see top - 4750 - 1540 (ask), some red showing up- 12:05 3610 (odd @ bid) see trades lower, BID down .274 PEAK reached, bid down .005 in 15 seconds to .27, HERE WE go - -- moving fast see Picked up 190K at .27 saw several odd trades with, want up signals - - Bang back to .274 in 20 seconds. PICKED up block !!!; back to nornal green at .274
My 1/2 hour is up! I won't post this kind of post again, you too can read MMs talking to each other! There are other signals and the value of under 1k has some seperate meanings but basically SEE a BLOCK. When you see stalls & holds MMs are losing control.
Usually followed by large block trades at bid, to stop buying pressure. IMO this is when naked shorting starts, with these block trades. If there are enough of these trades done, to stop the run, you'll see EOD block trades to settle books.
Sucess!
william2112
Todays news helped, but the gap started before news at 9:47. At any rate did you just see the 100 @ 11.19 then matching 1090 trades and 40 trades in 2 minutes, each higher. Bang, their Talking to each other today. Saw block traders higher, went to get them, selling the shares they bought the past week at .245 for .27.
What a great business to be in! LOL
Pat pat pat, that's me patting myself on the back, for getting 1 call correct! LOL
Matching trades just went by at 11:28 4150 &14150 normally a level mark. Should see .279/ .27 for a while.Watch for under 1K trades at the bid whit 2nd and maybe 3rd, for down tic.
william2112
from message #359
Ps; watch the AM ticks for a gap up. Just a guess about something I noticed today.
(Yesterday MMs ended the day with 3 - 400 share trades @ the ask, 2 after hours. Telling Me they really wanted that signal out, by trading 400 share trades afterhours.)
6 million shares traded by 10:30, good sign for continued move or at least no afternoon dump. IMO We'll se!
'Transat 5'
Not a new problem. Trillions of shares expected naked,every Gov agency has been looking the other way for years, actually helping. The German conection was one broker/dealer listed over 500 companies, without their knowledge, Q1 last year.
GTEL wanted and filed to list, it's different. Mr Huff was going to europe, with money magic with 2 new hires Jan 2004, their gone now, along with mention of any business in that area for core businesses. Besides Gtel knows it has to get this straight before exchange move. The removal from SHO list is a good sign that Gtell's problem may be over!
Dateline is a small noteworthy 1st step to bring this to the fore front of the market,public,& government! Read Juststocks post #368 and continue DD by clicking on link I posted to you Mar 25.
http://www.investigatethesec.com/
william2112 Here's a waste of time, if anyone is bored.
LOL; want to read a book about MMA (market maker analysis), known as "Getting inside an MMs head". Read my posts on RB back in March to Oct. I'd say, 50% were MM signal posts. We only had 1 to 2 million EDO volumes and they became so predictable I rarely missed a move.
You can find today's action by looking at the T&S link below.
Very subtle today, here's the run up in a nut shell.
(My MMA) make of it as you want. Usually uneven trades at the bid or ask indicate where MMs want to go, under 1k trades indicate stalls, holds or reaching a good MM level.
--- START AT BOTTOM; READ UP TO HERE ----
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after this there are as many bid/ask changes as trades, each minute, up to .257 (the volume = last 4 large block trades - PP runs)
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and this continues 10 trades @ .25 until 1:18 where a 173k block trades
...............
1:16:44 PM Trade 0.249 2900
1:16:42 PM Trade 0.248 2900
trades continue next signal 1:16 = buy&sell (level off signal)
1:11:52 PM Trade 0.247 100000
under 1k (strong signal)@ ask block orders
1:11:44 PM Trade 0.248 150
1:10:16 PM Trade 0.248 1500
1:08:14 PM Trade 0.248 114000
1:06:44 PM Trade 0.248 26000
3rd odd share @ ask is lots of presure (blocks coming)
12:58:32 PM Trade 0.248 1040
12:55:40 PM Trade 0.248 30000
12:55:40 PM Trade 0.247 5700
12:55:38 PM Trade 0.248 10000
12:55:18 PM Bid 0.247 5000
12:55:16 PM Trade 0.248 35000
12:54:42 PM Ask 0.248 5000
bid / ask go up
12:54:36 PM Trade 0.247 2000
12:54:26 PM Trade 0.247 5000
2nd odd shares confirms 1st @ask;pressure above
12:53:48 PM Trade 0.247 7915
12:53:36 PM Trade 0.246 13500
12:52:02 PM Trade 0.246 16790
12:52:00 PM Trade 0.246 6500
12:51:58 PM Trade 0.247 64000
12:51:34 PM Trade 0.246 5000
odd shares @ ask - hold 15 min - wants up
12:34:48 PM Trade 0.246 1908
------ START ---------
Check the way down at the link below;
http://quotes.freerealtime.com/dl/frt/S?IM=quotes&SA=quotes%7CTime%2526Sales&symbol=gtel&...
Juststocks
That said, todays pump & dump won't show on the charts, but will keep day traders interest. So all and all the MMs are doing us a favor, because if there are enough watching when the next move happens, the better chance the MM won't be able to stop it, with stronger volume to support it.
Ps; watch the AM ticks for a gap up. Just a guess about some I noticed today.
william2112
Last night I was right where you were about Gtel TA wise. The breakout, (brokeout) only one think brought the breakout back to the same PPs in minutes, low volume allowed MM to over come traders buying pressure!IMO
Don't get me wrong, TA works, I actually believed it was showing promise for Gtel disspite my previous belief, but IMO this was an out right MM play, and worked because of low volume.
william2112
I was watching Gtel tic by tic today until 12:25 pm, when I went out. While out, I was thinking WOW 2 mill share traded at noon,this is getting like last Nov. But I didn't notice the out right MM manuvers of that time.
Then I though,if this was then, the PPs would shoot up in the afternoon to at least double the volume.
Came home to 6.5 mill shares, with a 2 cent pump & dump. Sorry but there isn't a TA indicator in the world that could indicate that action. BMI or Aroon, oh well, here I sit broken hearted, came to trade, and got chit on. LOL
IMO were in the hands of the ooold MMs. Indcission, buying pressure, volume hammer, accending triangle, whats formed ? Ask Schb ! Not me.
'techBear'
Aroons was all juststocks,I never used them before either. Just posted my opinion about what I saw when he/she brought it to my attention.
The more I think about why aroons work well, it does match my opinion that MMs control this stock. Aroons eval PPs vs frequence of up/down trades. Thus no matter what causes up/down trades, aroons would track this function better that other momentum indicators, which use volume as part of the trending.
My claim that MMs manupulating the PPs, controls the volume, (trader interest) and that would effect the accuracy. Which IMO it has.
I'm going to start to check all stocks, I feel are manuplated, with aroons now, just as I use DMI for stort term entry/exit points now. Trending still belongs to MACD and Scholastics.
Success to all!
stratncash
I see you point,As william2112 stated, patterns exist that have not been recognized, but I agree with the others about this one.
IMO the 1st run and this one didn't produce an unusual amount of insider selling. Under 2 mil the 1st time and so far only 600k reported 2005.
All the 144's showed insiders were just proving why they are where they are. It's smart to prepare, and that's what they did, both times.
IMO there was NO dump for profits, which shows strength in their belief of further progress.
Besides you need something to happen more than twice to form a pattern.
rocky301
Thanks thats the same thing I said, but thought with all the research you do, you may have some proof of application I could post there!
ShakeyGuy
Sorry I up set you. Your post seemed like a subtle bash, when I first read it. After rereading it (I SHOULD BE THE ONE TO LEARN TO READ)
Thought you were saying get out of this under performing company, when you were wondering the same thing as me. Only 6 million shares traded?
Sorry for my error!
Rocky information - Some on another board has questioned,why in the latest PR Mar 31, Gtel is in the process of applying to the Amer Exch,Yet in the shareholders letter Jan 10, Gtel has applied and waiting for a decision.
I can't find any info, in the 10k just filed, confirming submission, but stated I think the difference is just semantics in the wording and the submission has been completed.
Any thoughts or documentation on submission?
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GlobeTel Announces 2004 Results of Operations
Thursday March 31, 10:04 am ET
We are in the process of applying to move to the American Stock Exchange.
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January 10, 2005
To Our Valued Shareholders,
Finally, I would like to expound on another very important and critical component of the growth of our Company, our application to the American Stock Exchange (AMEX). The application to the AMEX has been submitted and it is presently under review.
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Juststocks
I never used stockcharts.com and aroons weren't available to me before. You can bet I'm using stockcharts for gtel now.
NOTE: 1 month (5 day)
3 days before Q4 release, up trend cross over at 30 should have produced a small up trend, which IMO didn't occur because MMs held spreads tight! Only time I can see the 5 day didn't match PPs movement for a month!
May be the answer to what I posted about before. WHY NO Q4 action.
Juststocks
5 day
Take a vertical line, run it down to the PPs each time the green hits the bottom ) point.low = low
Now move it to the next cross over = ternd reversal also the higher the point of cross over the stronger the reversal.
do the same for the green at the top and it matches the HIGHS.
This puppy seems to work great for entry/exit points. April 1, It shows gtel at a bottom and now all we have to do is wait for the crossover to occur. from previous patterns it should show up next 3 days.
I like this, your the man! Thanks again!
Juststocks
You have me a little excited here, but look at the 5 day (shortest), not 8 day. Every aroon low matches PPs low and High matches high, with the crossovers matching trend reversal. WOW something that works for Gtel!
I made a statment yesterday, that I never use aroon because they are best for short term momentum and I don't play momentum. See what I've been saying, learn all indicators and use the one that works for your stock. I've been using barcharts to do this and aroon are not one they show. Shows I've gotten lazy and not applied all TA charting options to Gtel. You found the key IMO!!!
Now I say Thankyou. I've not found a TA indicator so accurate on GTEL. Seems you've found the perfect TA indicator for our little gem!! The cross over divergance event matches strength of PP move.
Gtel TA indicators are as following:
Chart Indicators
Ind. short Inter Long
EMA VBe Bu VBu
MACD VBe Bu VBe
RSI Be
TDD Be
Fibs VBe Bu VBu
Highs Be Bu Bu
Lows Bu VBu VBu
Trends N N N
Stoch. N
IMO Notice the short lows are bull, the only short indicator that is.Saying with all mid & long indicator strong, the PPs is too low, but continues to walk down.
The 1 month charts show declining macd, rsi, and fast schoc stalled. The PPs is lowering and volume lowering, but fluxing daily vs. daily spreads,(manipulation?) NO, shareholders are just boared, right!
Q4 2004 positive, with business growth continuing, and major near term events in sight. Yet NO run up to release or action after? Is this what your use to with other exchange stocks you've watched?
NO move in PPs ??? Lowest volume in 2 months (lack of interest?)(Avg Vol (3m): 24,110,727)??? Anyone have a problem with this NON action, after any company announces EOY ??? Shouldn't one think SOME reaction in one way or an other ??? What could account for low volume/tight spread, after positive Q4 announcement ???
Like to add a few new thoughts I've had since then.
Now days many brokers offer automatic trading platforms. You place a buy, sell, and stop loss order and the software trades for you. (on stocks over $5.00 only) IMO this is a great aid the idiots like me how find it hard to keep their fingers out of a good plan, by tweaking in.
Since it became available to me, I use it all the time and feel it has benefited me. I check my portfolio for 5 minutes the end of each day, so I can implement my next trade from my watchlist, if one of my open order close.
My watchlist contains twice the number of stocks I have in my portfolio, and is up dated daily, as I now have time to research new stocks, when I use to watch level II. No research at night any more, I post here instead ( form of entertainment)
AS always OTC:BB land can't take advantage of this and you have to sit at the table if you want to play.
Success to all ! Wish I had more lately. LOL. go GTEL!!