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Wasn't talking about IVF, I had moved on and was referring to climate science and the natural world in general. Francis believes we are charged by God with a moral duty to look after the world He gave us, not to simply pillage, use it and dispose of the refuse at will, like we are doing. As far as IVF, the Church's opposition is institutional and systemic, it does not extend to the parish priests and nuns where the rubber actually meets the road. Francis is more the parish priest than any Pope we've ever had, that's why you are seeing a real awakening amongst lapsed Catholics. He may not be able to change Canon Law already existing, but he can and has been issuing his own edicts and pronouncements which are changing the tone of everything, especially where the natural world is concerned, as well as the evils of unfettered capitalism and materialism and our responsibility to the poor. Will IVF be a part of that? I think it will be, and already is. Even before Francis, in the dark days of the fascistic and reactionary JPII, I had never heard of a parish priest admonishing a couple for going the route of IVF. You'll find that IVF use amongst Catholics is similar to any other group.
Religious demographic? I don't see that as a factor. If anything, those attracted because of the more intimate process will probably be more attuned and connected to a world with 'mother' nature at its core (environmentalists or what are disparagingly referred to as 'tree huggers'), not one manufactured by an all powerful being. I don't think the religious demo you mention will be turned away, I just don't see it at all connected, not to them. Generally, they seem to care less about what's 'natural'. It's amazing to me that that the religious right in America is far, far less likely to believe in climate change and could care less about God's supposedly leaving us in charge down here, as stewards of all that He created. There is a small contingent of younger fundamentalists that are starting to come around to the idea of our being stewards of the natural world, and the God given responsibility that goes with that, but they are tiny and get a lot more press than the movement deserves. Pope Francis is the one bright light in all this, he gets it, but generally speaking, especially in the US, the religious, fundies and most Catholics, are clueless, and defiantly so. I'm ignorant and proud of it! JMO.
Many insurance plans do not offer IVF, just as it is not covered in Canada's vaunted single payer system. The higher quality coverage in the US does, but I doubt you'll find that in garden variety plans, or you might get partial coverage. Everything in the US system of insurance is partial. A crazy but true statistic is that most people declaring personal BK in the US do so because of a medical crisis, and most of those ARE insured, just not fully, like we pretty much are in Canada. Sorry for flapping, what I meant to get at is that the INVO system may be as effective, but it is not yet proven in the field, or more importantly, in the mind of the physician and patient to be so, but that should change as stats begin to emerge, I hope. A surer bet at this time, is still traditional IVF. A previous poster mentioned time, precious little of it in the face a ticking biological clock, and that was a powerful statement. He's right, anybody in that situation, with decent insurance coverage will most definitely opt for IVF, and that's if they are even given the choice, which in 98% or more of cases, isn't even available yet. But what of the younger couple or aspiring mom with less stellar insurance coverage, or none at all in that department? Plus the fact that younger patients might be more attracted to the more personal, less clinical INVO procedure. Racing against the clock, 'sentimental' stuff like that goes out the window, but younger folks are still thinking that way. And if it fails, they can still go the IVF route. There is a big market for this device IMO. And a big opportunity for clinics that are willing to adopt it.
I'm no scientist but suggesting the physics is not far from nuclear fusion is more than a bit melodramatic, which is hardly becoming of a scientist, I don't care how smart you're supposed to be. You have made your point, ad nauseum, re the value of the technology being non-existent if the net energy produced, or cash required to produce it, is negative. That's all and good and makes sense, that's a real question, a long way from being answered and a pretty good reason why shares are worth 1 PENNY! You speak as if the market has given this some monstrous value it doesn't deserve, it hasn't, perhaps some $6M in aggregate - that's real money, but there thousands of utterly useless startups assigned much greater value. And I don't recall penny startups demonstrating applied fusion, although there was that claim of "cold fusion" being achieved in a beaker in the late 80s, which turned out to be bunk. The process has been demonstrated to work, the only question is whether it net cost and energy are negative or positive, and if positive, enough so to compete in a serious way with existing technologies. You love to pound that hammer genius, but it's tiresome.
That the article was even written is interesting. My first thought, cynically, was that this was a paid for shill, but check the author's bio - that's the not the case at all. That prototype did garner some attention outside this circle.
A 'gift'? That's fine, but it's instructive to recall that the first "il duce" thought he had a gift as well. And I suspect all 455 of the others, before you came along, thought the same. Not sure how they are doing, but we all know what happened to the 'genuine' article. Lamp posts make for lousy swings, just ask him.
Still a mystery to me - if nothing new here as many claim, why file a patent app? Why call it a "milestone achievement, blah, blah, blah"? Yeah, it's a penny and they can say pretty much whatever they want with little fear, but would they really do that? They have a team of scientific advisors, including latest addition John Stickney, and collaboration with 2 respected universities - all of which you would think might object to that kind of chicanery, no? At least one of them? Or have they assembled the "Snidely Whiplash" or Dr Evil band of nefarious scientists? Not a shred of honour in any of them? Feel free to contradict and respond, but try and keep it civil. No need for insults, that just drives people away from the conversation, as was done yesterday.
Yes, absolutely, a little cash relative to one's ability to potentially lose it. That's what kind of investment this is. If it pans out, it's a story for the grand kids that they'll pass on to their kids. Great stuff. But if it doesn't, and that's the likely scenario (cause that's just the way it goes usually), you don't want it to become a story that the grandkids whisper amongst themselves about how foolish grandpa was in putting everything he had in this wild idea. In my first post today, I suggested 2K would be a reasonable amount for most regular folk. That's a lot of shares, could be serious money if it takes off, and if it doesn't, well, after a few months or years it's hardly worth mentioning.
Go ahead, but either you missed my point, you must be made of money, or you are not looking reality square in the face. You're the person with 4M+ shares, right? If this takes off, that's enough to make you very rich. But if the far more likely scenario transpires - that this dies a slow death, isn't the $10s of thousands you stand to lose enough? Perusing an investment uber-dream like this pathologically, is well, pathological. No offense to anyone here, including you, but like the great Hank Williams once sang, "I don't mean to meddle in your bidness, I'm just trying to give you some good hard earned advice....cause I've been down that road before". Course, ol' Hank should have heeded his own words and maybe he wouldn't have wound up dead in the back of a Cadillac from alcohol and prescription drug abuse at the ripe old age of 29. Just imagine the songs that died with him that we never got to hear. But I digress.
Gave it all back, again. This kind of now predictable action is going to dog this stock for a long time. Best course of action - park $2K here, and leave it for a couple of years. Will most likely lose it, but not the end of the world. A pleasant surprise is also possible, but exceedingly rare. Those of you with serious money invested, I hope you can afford to lose all or most of it. Sure you could become rich beyond your wildest dreams (although it's doubtful you haven't actually dreamt beyond that already), but if you need that money, don't do it, or scale back. It's a lovely idea, and I hope it works, but RSH makes good points and so far, he's been right. If there was anything new actually conquered with this latest prototype, aside from the hard shell replacing a baggie, initial enthusiasm would not have faltered so badly. It's all given back, every little bit.
Can someone tell me if Redwood makes money on this selling? They acquired the shares when and how, at what price? Sorry, I just don't know and although I like the product/idea that Ascent has built its hopes on, I admittedly haven't done the dd required to get me to buy, or not buy, as the case may be.
If Redwood is selling mercilessly, doesn't anyone care why?
You guys do go on about nothing. If CES does not create any enthusiasm, and it hasn't, well, not sure what will. Sales would be good, but that's not likely. A pretty booth hasn't helped.
I don't see much press at all. Where do you see this? Definitely needs more exposure.
Can't say "Optimism" PRs do much for me, or the stock for that matter. For an obscure OTC though, it does confirm the patient is still alive, so in that manner they serve a purpose. Can't see any pop coming from this though.
Today was less awful. Gotta start somewhere. Decent volume, without dipping below .02. Big dumps bought up.
Interesting trading this morning. 5M in a tight range, less than 1/10th of a penny. BLDP still surging, FCEL taking a break, but not retracing, not yet anyway.
FCEL and BLDP holding gains, and that's rare. Still early days following Mirai, but still, it's encouraging. HYSR, without something new and real to report, will be hard pressed to gain at all, or even hold at or above $0.02 unless the broader "H2 Economy" industry captures the imagination once again. 20 years ago, FCs were all the rage in the popular imagination but there were very few examples of 'rubber meets the road' prototypes, nevermind actual production vehicles. It really was mostly a dream back then. That dream has become reality, embodied most of all in the Mirai, and yet it seems our collective imagination has atrophied. Here is the solution to so many problems it's hard to know where to begin, but let's put Greenhouse Gas Emissions front and centre since it is the most existential. War over energy resources runs a close second. All kinds of reasons cited for the violence, but does anybody doubt for one second that if all that oil wasn't sitting under the desert sand in the ME, we'd still be seeing this horror unfold? Anyway, my emotional 2 cents for the day.
FC tech is real and working and there for the embracing, when we find the political will. Wondrous technology is always 10 years away. Fusion has been 10 years away since I was a kid in the 70s. Genetic engineering, along with other wonders of medicine, have been 10 years away from curing cancer and other terrible diseases since the 70s as well. When you think about it, FC tech is the only dream that has delivered. Do we want it now that it's here?
Maybe there is no difference. I guess I haven't been in this as long as you have, but the pattern is not inspiring. Just an observation. Hope to see better days ahead, especially with what appears to be a renewed market interest in FC spearheaded by Mirai, and also some decent news for FCEL yesterday as well. Can't have a hydrogen economy and FCs without a ready supply of H2, so I'm hoping attention turns in this direction.
Trading has been disquieting since 1.55V. Lower lows and lower highs almost daily. 500K-1M share dumps, quickly followed by 10K-50K buys for window dressing. Been happening today as well. As a result, I've exited half my position at a loss. Too many unwelcome signs. Still have a decent amount, for me anyway. I love the tech, it's captured my imagination and the boy in me, but this downtrend has been relentless. I wish them and us, luck.
re the Mirai 'acceleration deficit'. The Mirai reviewer compared it to two sports cars, battery powered, but still essentially sports cars. I don't see the point. People buying the Mirai or any other H2 offering in the future are likely not doing so for acceleration. And that will change anyway as tech improves, as did the Prius. As it is, Mirai performance is on par with your typical 4-banger sedan, which is fine. No way that all-electrics are going to replace current ICEs. Power on demand is a sacred cow, and as you point out, that superb 'acceleration' is zero when it's parked for 8 hours recharging. Power on Demand, brought to you by the cleanest fuel cycle ever conceived. HYSR solar tech converts water, even waste water, to H2 and O2. FC converts H2 back to water, the excess energy released is used for power. It's as close to a miracle as physical science can take us.
Worst closing price since 1.55V, as if it never happened, and then some. Depressing, you have to admit.
FC enthusiasm waxes and wanes, in the extreme, and has done for 20 years now. But never before has their been a production vehicle to wax about. I expect the enthusiasm to start rumbling again with Toyota's entry. BLDP's SP is always a good barometer, and today it is gaining. As the legitimacy of the technology gains traction with this new 'beginning', talk will turn once again to infrastructure and H2 generation and then logically to the players in H2 generation tech. A patent grant at this stage would be a perfect storm.
Unless they have actual news, with emphasis on 'new', they will have to replay or spin old news. I'd rather they didn't. For naysayers, or potential but nervous investors, spinning old news simply strengthens suspicions that this is a fly by night OTC scam.
I recall the smirks and laughter from some quarters when the Prius hit the streets.
A world without pipelines filled with potentially catastrophic environmental 'poison' would be nice. Clean them out and pump water. That's what the proposed "Keystone" pipeline should be about anyway. US southwest needs water a hell of a lot more than it needs oil. Canada has lots, at a price of course.
I'd be happy to have another discussion with you about this after the patent is granted, to see who is correct, maybe we're both a little correct as to the value of a patent grant. They continue to file for patents, and they did this past March as you say, but the first was back in 2011. They are piggy backing as they progress, as would any reputable tech company. The academic alliances are vital in this regard. Edited snippets from the 10K re patents:
On November 15, 2011 we filed a provisional patent application with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office to protect the intellectual property rights for ”Photoelectrochemically Active Heterostructures, Methods For Their Manufacture, And Methods And Systems For Producing Desired Products.”
On November 14, 2012, we filed the utility patent application for the above and the examination and prosecution of this patent are ongoing.
In September of 2012, we jointly filed with the University of California, Santa Barbara ("UCSB") an additional patent application to protect the intellectual property rights of our proprietary coating for protecting our semiconductor devices from corrosion in various types of water. This patent is titled: “Process And Systems For Stable Operation of Electroactive Devices”.
In February of 2013 we filed the utility patent application for the above and the examination and prosecution of this patent are ongoing.
In March of 2015, we jointly filed a full utility patent application with UCSB for the "method of manufacture of multi-junction artificial photosynthetic cells." The patent’s full coverage excludes others from making, using, or selling the technology process, and creates licensing opportunities. We believe licensing opportunities can be created through various industry applications, such as for car charging stations, retail distribution centers, and facilities that would benefit from cost-efficient hydrogen developed at or near the point of distribution. Examination and prosecution of this patent are ongoing.
Commercialization is a long way off, I agree. And that is why the most important thing that can happen right now, for the company, for the technology and for the share price, is a level of comfort that all this work and progress is worth the effort because it is shielded from techno-piracy. The only way to get that level of comfort are patent grants. Even more so than achieving 1.7V imo. The first patent application, if I read the 10K correctly is 4 years old now, which is a little long in the tooth at this point. I think a patent grant would catapult the SP to approaching $0.10. After that, progress to 1.7V and beyond would take over as primary driver, but to be honest, if patent grant came in Monday, I would likely sell at least 50% of my shares and ride the rest.
Responding to my own post, sorry. Lot's of selling, but there seems to be an invisible floor at .02. Hope it holds, but now that I've expressed that wish, it'll probably break through like a ton of bricks!
Nice quotes from that article.....
"He also said that finding clean sources of hydrogen is still an issue.
Extracting hydrogen from renewable sources is largely possible, but is currently too expensive", he said.
Comprehensive hydrogen fueling infrastructure will be necessary to sustain one fuel-cell model, let alone a family of related models.
And Toyota would have to significantly up the pace of fuel-cell car production.
All that is true of course. Also true that, if the promise of HYSR's tech holds true and we haven't been sold a bill of goods, all those issues are immediately resolvable.
@uksausage, lol, I thought you were pulling my leg with that. It appears real enough though, still lol. I'll take it! Now we need a patron saint of H2 declared, and a shrine. Actually, that might just fit into Pope Francis's admonition to the world to do something on GGs before it's too late.
Absent any news, I don't see what can possibly hold this north of .02 come tomorrow, or next week latest. Fingers crossed, for news not sub .02. Seen enough of sub .02 already and didn't like it a bit.
Great info blekko, thanks!
From my limited capacity to fully understand it all, HYSR's tech is not simple, but it appears simple to implement, and it is scalable for more industrial apps. Compression and storage of the resulting H2 is another tech already here, but to try and answer your question, seems to me that this tech is the best suited for small scale applications. The world has first to decide to switch horses, or at least begin slipping off this hydrocarbon hay ride. H2 revolution would solve so many problems at the same time, it's hard to know where to begin. The first being the big existential challenge of our time, but not to be discounted is the enormous benefits to economies as they begin and then accelerate the conversion to a H2 economy and infrastructure. With much localized production, the need for the kind of infrastructure associated with extraction, transport, refinement and storage of fossil fuels simply isn't there, but fresh technologies, all much cleaner the old, will be required and fresh infrastructure to go with them. We encounter gasoline when we fill up, that's all most of us know of the filthy journey those 50 litres made to get there.
That was impressive. But competition is by no means bad in this case. Means there is deep interest, and far from choosing a winning technology, if indeed there will be only one winner. HYSR has a more 'democratic' solution, likely cheaper and greener. If there is a hydrogen or FC energy revolution, H2 will have to come from various technologies, just as hydrocarbons come from various drilling technologies; offshore, fracking, traditional, etc. HYSR's method seems less industrial, more adaptable to smaller scale development, which may be more compatible with rural and emerging markets.
Not bad exposure. Hopefully more coming.
I don't think you can use an apparent 'pattern' in PR releases to make any kind of prediction. I just hope they file 10K on time. Last year, they filed on Sept 23, a week before deadline. They are cutting it close this year.
Hey duce, why do you think there will be a PR aside from 10K filing? Thanks for sharing.
All relative. Fact is that recently, volume on drops is much higher than volume on upticks. For example, just now, 12:47, 1M shares unloaded at .02 ($20K), then 300 shares or all of $6.00 worth, a couple of minutes later at .022.
Hard to gauge anything from intra day trading, but if anything, the last few days have not been encouraging. Seems to drop on big volume and then climb a tad on light volume, then take another hit on big volume. Only half the day gone, and you can see that happening already a few times.