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sorry windblown.. it was not the guys you called thieves for years... they gave it to the shareholders and then, after you, and I mean you, won and took control, you stole everything... so stop complaining.. you won and got what you deserved!
As you said
"By: Windsome
01 Jan 2005, 05:12 PM EST
Msg. 21964 of 26251
(This msg. is a reply to 21963 by gatta-git-it.)
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Dear Gatta-git-it's Happy New Year to you,Dan has done some job for us and I want to seeing him matched up against these crooks.When we get this to court hopefully the USBC can see how much they looted the First Plus and had to have lied to the court.What a greedy bunch or jerks to put themselves in that position. What comes around goes around and bites them in the rear end."
It did get to court and nothing found... surprised???
Just look at your foot - where you shot yourself.
Didn't hurt me, but it did you!! I just like laughing at you!!
Incomprehensible statement as usual.. that was the way for years.. accuse, accuse, no facts.. that's what destroyed the company... you!!
Keep smokin' that stuff!
Sorry, dumb shareholders bankrupted the company..
And it could have been for all the shareholders if they weren't so dumb!
I guess not!! So it's over!!
so where's the money that was sent out? Anybody get any?
"Distribuitons" typo??
Do you mean the George Davis et al scam?? He was one of the main characters, along with you! The real shareholders may be coming for you!!
Was Gruber an adviser to the shareholder groups?
Uneducated though
Have any of your shareholder friends told you who contacted the mob?
Where have all the shareholders gone, long time ago?
Where have all the shareholders gone, gone to bankrupt every one?
When will they ever learn? When will they ever, learn?
Where have all the shareholders gone, long time harassing?
Another win for RB shareholders.. enjoying it?
Nothing was squandered except huge legal fees from all of the shareholder lawsuits... success was denied by shareholder litigation in every case.... it was very sad and wasteful and destructive process for years... and those fighting it didn't even get paid much.. fees plus expenses for the outside guys were about $10,000 a year... wow!
I wonder if anyone has noticed that the residuals, coming from the system set up before the first bankruptcy, and really the first in the business, have actually performed better than predicted. In other words except for the way the business was funded it was a very successful business. The model however, was the fundamental problem that came much later in 2007 and 2008. By then, the collateralization of the loans had become an excuse for poor quality and so the system crashed.
Distribution from the trust coming soon?
So,many shareholder lawsuits,bankruptcy lawsuits,FBI,federal lawsuits,and your wife looking into the old crooks and thieves. After all that you have your opinion,but no facts. Findings of bad things after all those years and all those investigations= 0!
How many lawsuits? About 8 or 9 it seems... and how much bad stuff was proved?? None..
Once again, no facts, just opinion. What was done wrong.. facts, not opinion.. loss of money etc. ... document it.
I'll be more specific. What were the "numerous failures of the "old" principals" to which you refer? Please be exact! What was tried that failed? And why did it fail? There was one major try as I recall that would have succeeded mightily were the other party was frightened off by shareholder threats to litigate... don't recall the name, but you probably do.. was that a failure of the "old" guys, or of and by the shareholders?
And of course, once again, no factual argument, just name calling is all that you and your friends do, and all you ever did. What is interesting is that you accept nothing.. nothing done before you won was good, and you're winning was not good... so what possible thing could the old management have done that would have satisfied you and your friends?? That is a question to which you will have no answer at all I predict, since it is impossible to have an answer... everything was wrong and they must go, and everything is wrong because they went is your logic.
And what was cowardly about the June 2007 takeover by a group of angry shareholders? Wasn't that what Raging Bull was demanding for years? What the heck is wrong, with getting what you specifically wanted.. all the then management and directors gone... that's what you wanted and that's what you got... what fiduciary problem is that?
And another thought is that the facts have been shown in this trial... the money was there, not stolen! The real businesses were there, changed to phony one's after you won your victory and took over! There was nothing indicating any problem until the last shareholder threats finally won the game that you had played for years. That's why this story has been so interesting to watch on Raging Bull all that time. Nonsense and vitriol leading the charge, and no facts by the accusers! And the history now shows the accusers were wrong all those years, as all the assets were right there where they belonged all along, till you won!
And remember that disbelief of the company filings is not factual, but just opinion! You must show some contrary facts, that can be shown in some reality not just opinion!
The lack of facts was always on your part on Raging Bull, which is what I watched....stealing, crooks, phony transactions and on and on... no facts but just very serious allegations and accusations.. and watching the realities in the filings etc. it was clear there was no basis for the accusations that were constant.. so what are the facts about stealing that you have? Why did you and the others constantly refuse to believe what the company filed with the SEC and other stuff? Where were your facts?
You've been watched for years, and you are still the same. You wanted change, you got it, and then you want to complain that you got it... what a bunch of ridiculous greedy guys you all were and are...you opposed everything, except change, and you got it... so there you have what you wanted, so stop complaining!
Don't think anything was paid after the change at all.. $0..not as much as what had been the usual of about $10,000 a year, including expenses... but of course that was all stolen in the eyes of the shareholders.. so things changed!
So, has it gone to the jury? And are the shareholder finally going to see that the group they forced out and called crooks for years, were not, but you got what you wanted after forcing a change?
So, what's going on in Camden? No reporter on the case??
Maybe the final step in shareholder idiocy!
so what's happening in Camden??? Trial over yet?
It would be interesting to hear how someone rational justifies what happened over 10 years or so... probably have to wait and see how the prosecutions go though...could be an interesting book!
Sure, although with the attitude of many shareholders, an armed guard and a bulletproof vest might be wise!
Someday you should write a book about how shareholders can do wonders by deciding that executives are thieves, and it helps to call them that by the way, and engage in litigation and slander, and make a company successful... you know, a case history book!
And you do realize that the group you hate so much had a deal with a company that was worth $4 billion a couple of years later, but that was killed by shareholder litigation, and they actually had started a new business that had made a profit before more shareholder litigation was threatened. And eventually you can get tired of shareholders trying to stop everything, and you let them, meaning you since you were among those praising shareholder litigation foryears, take over.. and so you were among the winners in 2007 weren't you! So, you won, and you are so happy about it, right?