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This company is going from Research & Development to Retail market as we speak and the self proclaimed shorters are bashing harder than ever! Everyone is ignoring the fact that we have taken the first Methanol based Flex fuel to the retail market. It is in every category better than E-85. All great companies are in the red coming out of the gates. The question is the PRODUCT!! Our products have been tested and retested! The municipality is being slow - welcome to dealing with the Gov't. The fact is the fuel has been proven & well received. The company will raise all the investment capital they need to be successful. It's called Capitalism!!
All you need to do is talk to one person that has put the fuel in their car and you have your answer. It won't manner how many people bash on the boards, how many shorts there are or what yesterday's financials looked like. If you actually have done the DD & know what this company has on 3 different fronts - there are no worries. Imagine when the news media presents to the general public what we who have done our DD already know. It is a FACT there is a huge "going green" movement in the US and we are about to become their Poster Child!! Up till now, the company has had all their resources working on the fuel and the logistics of getting it to the pumps. In the next few weeks, the company will be focused on getting the word out. Once it is out and public realizes what we are selling - IMHO it will replace E85 nationwide!!!
When the media starts hearing about the results of all these consumers filing up and the lines start to grow for the fuel - the bandwagon & investment into the company will start. More fuel stations will come on line very fast in Florida and the growth will be exponential. Canada is a couple weeks away, so in fact we will have exposure in 2 countries. Anyone who has tried E85 fuel will definitely try our Eco96. They will notice the increased power and millage, along with the cheaper price per gallon over any other fuel on the market. This will prove to be a powerful combination that cannot be ignored!
I don't see any of you saying the fuel is not real anymore. Give it a chance TBT. It's only been selling for 10 minutes. 99.999% of the world does not know about it yet - But they Will - Very Soon!!!!!!!!
Here's why our Ecoflex fuel will replace E85 fuel Nationwide. It takes too much water to produce E85.
Go to you tube: Why alcohols will replace gasoline and diesel fuel to become the fuels of the future.
Here is some scientific DD that will shock you:
Go to you tube: Why alcohols will replace gasoline and diesel fuel to become the fuels of the future.
It may be available for sale on Monday. I was just saying by Tuesday or Wednesday to be on the safe side because I wasn't sure what the fuel delivery schedule would be. If people are in the area, no big deal. If they are traveling from far away - I would wait until someone verifies the fuel has started selling.
I believe the intense media exposure will follow about 2 weeks after the fuel starts pumping. You have to give it that long for consumers to fill up their tanks and run their cars & trucks on it for a week or two. Once they notice their vehicles ran great - more mpg, more pep at a lesser cost than gasoline - that's the time to start interviewing them.
When lines start forming - capital will not be a problem, that I can assure you!
Well said Wally! Once media coverage starts and consumers start spreading their personal experiences of how their vehicles reacted to this new Flex fuel - the fun will really begin. Gas stations will be lining up to sell our product. The one little snow flake will turn into an avalanche!
The biggest concern all investors have is "Proof of Concept". The second is "Scalability". The Olsen lab report gave us "Proof of Concept" in a EPA registered Lab setting. The announcement that the fuel was approved for sale in Florida along with the Olsen Lab report shot the stock to over $3.00 1 year ago. Then a blogger, associated with shorters, twisted the words of the announcement saying that they did not approve the fuel for sale. The truth is the actual state of Florida has set standards and regulations all fuel must meet to be sold in the state of Florida. They don't actually approve or disapprove of any fuel specifically. The States only concern is that all fuel being sold meets all the standards and regulations of the state. That being said, Ecoflex96 did in fact meet all the regulations and standards to be sold in Florida.
How do you prove Scalability? That would be based upon the consumers initial reaction to the new product. Give it a week or two - and if lines start forming at this 1 gas station for the product - we will have our answer. There will be media coverage - you can count on it! When all this starts in the next few weeks - the Longs will be very glad they were patient!!
The BK shares with naked shorting jumping up on top of it is what took the stock down! It was easy to manipulate with all those BK shares flooding the market. The Naked shorting cost the BK attorney millions of $$ during the liquidation. All coming to an end soon and the stock will springboard to normal levels on next major announcement of which many are coming before the end of the year. Many on this board have taken advantage of this manipulation and have added substantially to their positions. Real DD shows any potential investor this company has the goods. The proof to the public consumers is next, then the bandwagon of owning this stock will begin!!
Agree 100 % and that's just for starters on the fuel. The medical smart watch could easily be much more than that by IPO time!! Such an enormous market out there for both technologies.
LOL. The world will change next week. Hey I might be an ECSL investor.
This fuel will get national attention very soon. Everyone who has tried it is convinced. It is better than E85 in every category and the best part about it is there will no longer be a need to subsidize ethanol with all of our tax money ! No need for subsidies with our Eco96 and it will be .50 -.60 cents cheaper per gallon than E85 even with all the ethanol subsidies!
Absolutely meaningless in the whole scheme of things! Fuel will be at retail next week and watch what happens when consumers start filling up with our Flex fuel! You can't stop the court of public opinion! The demand for this fuel will grow exponentially. By the way, I am in Florida and gas just went up .20 cents a gallon this past week. Timing for our fuel could not be better!!
You don't twist words- where in my post #25922 did I say Exxon/Mobil was going to buy ECSL? All I said is they might be looking into introducing a new product line of flex fuel. You are the one who came to the conclusion they would buy us! That thought came out of your thinking - not mine. Why would you even state that assumption unless you were thinking about it??
Did you see one of today's lead stories? Exxon/Mobil is getting grilled on not disclosing research findings on global climate change as a result of increasing production of their products over the past 30-40 years. Looks like they will be looking into alternative fuels soon to take the pressure of the media off them and fossil fuels. A new flex fuel product line for Exxon/Mobile might be a great refocus event for the company. What brand line is our first Flex fuel station in Florida going under? Does anybody Know? Could it be a Mobil Station??
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) -- New York's attorney general is examining statements by Exxon Mobil and Peabody Energy to determine whether they deceived investors about the causes and impacts of climate change, an official familiar with the investigations said Thursday.
A subpoena was sent Wednesday to Dallas-based Exxon after a yearlong review of shareholder disclosures, said the official, who wasn't authorized to publicly discuss the probes and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.
Attorney General Eric Schneiderman's office sought similar documents on climate change from St. Louis-based Peabody in 2013, which the company disclosed last year.
A spokesman for Schneiderman declined to comment Thursday. New York's attorney general has authority under the state's Martin Act to investigate and prosecute securities fraud.
Exxon spokesman Scott Silvestri said the company has received the subpoena and rejects allegations in media reports that it suppressed research. Silvestri said that for years, Exxon has provided shareholders information about the business risks of climate change.
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Ecoflex 96 heading to the retail pumps where the consumer will finally be able to see what most of us longs already know. Once they put it into their vehicles they will know after one tankful, this is going to replace E-85 nationwide! The promised land is in plain sight!!
Why aren't people jumping all over this stock yet? The main stream investor is waiting to see reality come to forwishen in the fuel being sold at the retail pump. I can appreciate that. After all seeing is believing -Right? Many on this board have had the experience of using this fuel in their own cars & Trucks and became instant believers. We know what the experience will be when the consumer starts filling up. The same experience the municipalities are going through right now. A wake up call to " Hey - why with all the flex fuel vehicles being made is there only one flex fuel currently available -E85"? Why isn't there an alternative to Gov't Subsidized E85? How will the consumer react when a cheaper, more mpg, more powerful (Octane 96), unsubsidized flex fuel Ecoflex96 hits the market? We will all find out in the coming weeks & months.
Why would any long who has done their DD sell? The lower stock price just presents an opportunity to buy in at a great cost avg. price! I have tripled my original position over the past 4 months because this stock is an absolute steal at these prices. If it would have maintained a $3.00 share price, I would have added, but I would not have been able to come close to tripling my original position. I am truly in awe at how low the stock price is with 2 multi -billion $$ technologies about to take off.
We have established proof of concept with the fuel! People just do not realize how difficult a feat it is to get a new flex fuel into retail stations. There are many on this board who have used the fuel in their own cars or know someone who has. When the first tanks start filling up with Ecoflex96, a paradigm shift will begin where E85 will be replaced with Ecoflex96. It will start in a local market, expand to major cities and municipalities, then entire states and foreign markets. We are just a few weeks away form the start!
The news will get out when the first drop of Ecoflex 96 starts filling consumers tanks. Media will be swarming on this and before you know it we will have stations all over the Orlando area selling a new better flex fuel. Reality is right around the corner!
Ya, people are going to sell for tax benefits with the retail selling of the fuel in Florida and Canada in a few weeks and an IPO on the horizon! That makes a whole lot of sense??
If methanol replaces ethanol,it's funny, but it will be cheaper to buy the corn meal fed to cows. Cereal prices will be reduced by about a $1.00 per box which will help all Americans. Fuel prices will stabilize at today's low prices leaving all Americans with more $ in their wallets. Transportation costs on all goods will be reduced. It's all interconnected. You can joke about it all you want - but the economics are all real.
The first gas stations that get Ecoflex96 are going to make big $$$ profits compared to stations selling regular gas. Now forgive me if I am wrong - it's been 3 decades since I was in business school - but a higher profit margin just might attract a few more gas station owners. In the presidents letter - it was stated that the next target area was ORLANDO Florida. What a better place to start than a place visited by 60 million tourists a year!
Look at the flex fuel market projection - 4 - 4.4 billion gallons per year by 2023 if E-85 can keep the cost below that of regular gas - which they can't! Ecoflex 96 is made from natural gas and will always be made for a cheaper cost than Regular Gasoline. You reading this board right now - you are the general public. If you owned a flex fuel vehicle and regular gas was cheaper than the flex fuel - which would you buy? All things being the same, If there were two flex fuels on the market and one was subsidized by our tax dollars and the other one wasn't - which one would you prefer? If one flex fuel gave you 30% better gas millage over the other flex fuel -Which one would you prefer?
Ecoflex96 vs. E85 . Who do you think the GENERAL PUBLIC will choose once they are exposed to all the facts
Ecoflex96 is cheaper to manufacture (By about .80 cents a gallon right now)
Ecoflex96 gives about 30% better gas millage than E85
Ecoflex96 is not subsidized by Uncle Sam with your tax dollars
LAST QUESTION: If you were a gas station owner and you could make $.05 cents a gallon on E85 or $.25 cents a gallon on Eco96 - which would you want to sell?
The problem with E-85 is it is too expensive (About .60 cents more than regular gasoline right now) and is subsidized by the federal gov't.
What if there were a better performing mpg flex fuel, that is easier to produce(from natural gas), costs less than regular gas and doesn't need gov't subsidies to achieve a lower price? What if has now been answered!
Ecoflex96 is the answer - Read article below:
ALEXANDRIA, VA – There are opportunities to grow the E85 market—but only if E85 prices remain significantly below those of regular grade gasoline and the automobile industry continues to produce flex-fuel vehicles at historic rates, according to a new report released today by the Fuels Institute.
Depending upon the likelihood of various scenarios, E85 sales will, at a minimum, double by 2023—but could experience a 20-fold increase in sales over the same time period, according to the 40-page report, “E85: A Market Performance Analysis and Forecast.”
The report was commissioned to examine the current performance of E85 in the market and the prospects for its expansion. Researchers evaluated the performance of more than 300 stores that sell E85 and developed forecasts taking into account a variety of factors that could ultimately affect sales. Factoring in past retail sales data, consumer trends, vehicles sales and a variety of possible scenarios, the Fuels Institute projects that E85 sales will increase from 196 million gallons in 2013 to between 400 million and 4.4 billion gallons in 2023.
“This report is essential reading for federal regulators who are considering strategies to meet the goals of the Renewable Fuel Standard and for fuel marketers seeking options to diversify their product offer,” said Fuels Institute Executive Director John Eichberger. “It presents an objective analysis of the overall market for E85, including actual retail sales data, and represents a collective effort to identify opportunities and challenges facing this alternative fuel—without taking a position of advocacy.”
Biofuels have experienced remarkable growth over the past 12 years, from 1.75 billion gallons sold in 2001 to 14.54 billion gallons sold in 2013. The vast majority of this growth is from ethanol, particularly E10 fuel that is ubiquitous in most of the country. However, additional E10 sales are constrained by the size of the gasoline market, which has declined since 2007. Therefore, future biofuels sales growth will be highly dependent upon increasing the sale of higher grades of ethanol like E85, a blend of gasoline with 51 to 83% ethanol.
The growth of E85, also know as flex fuel, is heavily dependent upon increasing both the number of fueling stations providing E85 and the number of flex-fuel vehicles on the road. The report found that there is room for growth on both fronts.
One of the factors currently restricting E85 consumption is its relatively limited availability at retail. Only 2% of retail fueling locations offer E85 and 60% of these are located in just 10 states. In examining both vehicle registrations and station counts, the report found that there are 5,289 flex-fuel vehicles per E85 station, compared to just 1,466 light-duty vehicles per retail fueling station, indicating great potential for E85 retailers.
“Increasing the E85 station count would improve the potential for additional E85 sales and introduce additional competition to the market. But several other factors—including the relative price of E85 compared to unleaded gasoline and the number of vehicles on the road that can operate on E85—must also be evaluated to determine the potential E85 market, especially because flex-fuel vehicles can operate on either E85 or gasoline,” said Eichberger.
The price that E85 is sold relative to gasoline will play a significant role in flex fuel’s growth. Because E85 contains approximately 23% less energy per gallon than regular grade gasoline, consumer demand will be heavily dependent upon E85’s price discount relative to gasoline. The report found that consumers seem to be much more concerned about absolute price differential than the percent differential, with 60 cents per gallon being the optimum price differential to encourage flex fuel vehicle consumers to shift their purchases from unleaded to E85.
Further growth could be possible if the automobile industry continues to increase flex-fuel vehicle production at current rates, thereby generating increased potential demand.
Currently, flex fuel vehicles represent 6% of all light-duty vehicle registrations in the United States. The growth in flex-fuel vehicle production was significantly aided by credits given to automakers for producing these vehicles. However, under the new Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) regulations, this credit is set to expire. It remains to be seen if the automobile manufacturers continue producing flex-fuel vehicles at the current rate in the absence of this credit. It is likely that consumers will have to demonstrate their demand for flex-fuel vehicles to convince manufacturers to sustain or increase production levels.
“We developed this report in direct response to requests from multiple congressional committees to provide a comprehensive source for information about the market for E85. This objective analysis of E85 in the market and the range of its market potential is essential to provide guidance regarding the potential for E85 to meet the goals of the Renewable Fuel Standard,” said Eichberger.
The report is available for download at fuelsinstitute.org. The Institute will continue to regularly publish additional reports
Amazing how disconnected the stock price is with the reality of what is going on. Many on this board have been able to increase their positions significantly as a result, so for that I want to thank the powers that be. It will be interesting to see how long they can keep it down until one day reality takes over. And make no mistake- reality will take over in a huge way!
Then add:
We have had Ecoflex96™ running at a Florida Municipality for the past three months. The program has gotten good marks from the drivers who are in the program. The time line for expansion is controlled by their budget process and their final approval of the program. We are hopeful to expand the program in November.
I would also like to touch on the recent Dawson James Boot Camp, that we were invited to attend. Initially, we were invited to attend and told we could have the use of a conference room and would be introduced to some individuals and groups that may have an interest in our Acculife™ product. There was tremendous interest in our products and programs, in fact, so much that our host, Dawson James, offered us the opportunity to give a presentation of our system to the attendees. The presentation was very well received and we have had several calls and email requests for more information. We are currently following up on those requests as well as completing the above mentioned projects. The Acculife™ program is being demonstrated in California this week as a result of our attendance at the Dawson James conference.
Dawson James is now interested in becoming our investment bankers.
Everything is there for all to research. Without bias of anyone on this board - do yourself a favor and come to your own conclusions. Afterall,
it is your own money that your investing - don't let the bias opinions of others sway you into a decision your going to regret. There is a reason all of us invested in this company to begin with. Nothing has changed, everything is being executed in a timely manner -Stay the course.
Take the Olsen Lab report:
http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/cyberfuels-inc-singular-96-certified-california-independent-laboratory-measures-mpg-pinksheets-ecsl-1963232.htm
and combine it with today's president message:
"First, we announced that we would be selling fuel in the US and Canada. We have just completed our site visit to the station close to Bunell, Florida that will be selling Ecoflex96™. The station is located at the intersection of I95 and SR 100 and operates under the Mobil Brand. The purpose of this visit was to get a first hand look at the station set up and what storage tanks and pumps were available to us. We expect to have the fuel in place and for sale in approximately three weeks.
Our site visit for the station in Montreal is scheduled for next week. Our agreement with the station owner calls for the fuel to be in place and for sale the first week in December. The station will be a designated EcoFlex96™ Brand station. Additionally, our additive will go on sale at various truck plazas owned by the same company as soon as they receive their initial 20 case product order.
Make your own conclusions - but to sell your shares at this juncture, one really needs to have their head examined!!!
Your kidding me -Right?? Because that one gas station will sell flex fuel to over 2000 cars the first month. 2000 separate, independent, unbias consumers will give their honest opinion on what this fuel does in their cars. My DD already tells me what those opinions are going to be. More engine power, more mpg , less fuel emissions and oh ya - the price per gallon is less than anywhere else you can buy fuel. Have you ever seen 2 gas stations across the street from one another. One station is a nickle per gallon cheaper than the other station - where do all the cars go??
Use Common Sense people, not emotion! This fuel will be sold to the public in a few weeks. The news media will be all over this! Everyone hates ethanol and it is just too expensive to produce. EcoFlex 96 will be replacing it all over the country and it starts in Bunnel Florida! Once the Public tries the fuel its all over! You can't stop the power of the people. I know for a fact that everyone with a flex fuel car will want to purchase this fuel!! Ron is very smart - he won't have to do a penny of advertising. The media and the public reaction will do it for us!!!
All those prices will have been great buys when the fuel starts PUMPING AT RETAIL STATIONS! The only way anyone on this board will loose is if they sell their shares before this event!! The shorts will try harder than ever over the next 3 weeks to get you to sell your shares so they can cover their positions! USE COMMON SENSE people - you really think that when the public starts filling up with a cheaper alternative flex fuel that gets them 20% better gas millage this isn't going to go VIRAL !!!
I appreciate your post M1 and feel many on this board share your sentiment. I have talked to friends in the medical industry who have looked at our Medical Smart Watch technology we offer. The simple fact that it can be monitored by a doctors office is the hidden Gem here. The insurance companies are looking at saving Billions of dollars in costs because of health care monitoring. Very rarely do insurance companies and doctors agree on Patient care where cost savings are concerned. However, in this case it is a win - win for everyone. The patient will receive better medical care and early detection on critical conditions. Doctors will have additional information on patients vitals they were never privileged to before and insurance companies will save billions in preventing the big ticket items such as strokes, heart attacks and hospital re-admissions. CNV systems has one of the most impressive management lineups I have ever seen.
This being said, this stock seems to capped momentarily, however just like a volcano- the more they cap it with all the good news coming out, the more upward pressure increases. There will come a day in the near future where the cap will burst and the true value of all these news releases will finally be represented in the stock price.
T-by-T .... I think your misunderstanding! There is no smart medical watch on the market that can be monitored that is FDA approved! There are smart watches that have similar features - but they can't be monitored. It's like what good is an alarm on your home if it is not monitored. Also, your house is full of things that can be replaced, your health cannot be replaced and minutes for response times can sometimes be the difference between life or death! The medical company will probably have a bigger revenue stream from monitoring than actual sales of the devices! $.50 cent stock price is a total disconnect from this technology. That's fine,cause when the big money players see this product and the business plan - we will have a multi-million share trading days and it won't be at $.50 cents!!
In a few weeks, the fuel will begin pumping at the first retail outlets in Florida & Canada. All the games on this board will come to an end! I think most on this board understand the agenda's of certain individuals. Take advantage of the games and add to your position if you can. Otherwise, sit tight and hold until the fuel hits the public retail outlets. The court of public opinion will judge this fuel and when saving money is involved - word travels very fast. Everyone has seen two gas stations across the street from one another. If one station is $.05 cents cheaper than the other, guess where all cars go? Imagine $.20 -$.30 cents cheaper with a fuel that offers better mpg. This fuel will go viral in the court of Public Opinion very quickly and that will be all the advertising we need!!
Ask any Funny car driver or dragster driver what has more power - gasoline or Methonal? Funny, I do not see any ethonal dragsters?? A Methonal based flex fuel time has come and ECSL is bringing it to the retail market!
Seldom is there an opportunity for an investment like this in ones lifetime.
yes - you are correct - I meant to phrase it in proportion to gasoline. It is 10 - 30% better than gasoline in millage.
Low volume shows that the float is locked up tight. No one is selling their shares because they know what's coming just around the corner. The shorts can go ahead and bid tap or sell shares to themselves to manipulate. They can negative bash the stock all they want. When fuel is pumping at the retail level, this will go higher very quickly. The medical division will be icing on the cake!!
To my fellow Longs: Take a minute and realize what you have in ECSL.
1.A Flex Fuel that has been proven to be superior to Gasoline & Ethanol.
Reduces CO2 emissions by 70%, 10%+ better millage, cheaper than regular gas with an octane level higher than most Premiums. These are all facts based on findings by EPA registered Olsen Labs in Ca. We have broken into the market in Canada and Florida & distribution is set to begin in November.
2. A diesel additive that is currently on the retail shelves over 30 stores of the # seller of diesel fuel in North America - Pilot Flying J. This additive has been shown in studies to increase cetane levels 8 points, increase fuel millage 15-20% and reduce DPM by over 20%.
3. A Joint Venture with CNV Systems who has a ground breaking Medical Smart Watch technology that will save hospitals and the insurance industry Billions of dollars. It will also improve the health monitoring of millions of individuals.
THE QUESTION OF THE DAY- "WITH ALL THIS GREAT NEWS -WHY IS THE STOCK TRADING SIDEWAYS & DOWN? THIS MAKES NO SENSE OR DOES IT?
READ BELOW FOR AN EDUCATION ON NAKED SHORTING:
(An excerpt from Mad Bros Link he posted which i agree relates directly to our stock and what's happening to it)
Shorts like to target emerging stocks that are engaged in high risk development and are not widely covered by quality research analysts.
The initial and subsequent attacks are almost always triggered by some news event. Obviously, the shorts seek out negative news or an event that creates uncertainty. However, sometimes an attack can be based on a positive news event which the shorts spin to make it appear negative.
Using the ready platform afforded by the internet and social media, a blogger associated with the shorts goes to work with a negative interpretation of an event. These are usually not sophisticated analyses and are usually limited to one or two pages of text which is invariably one-sided and unbalanced. These are meant to provide “intellectual” reasons and cover for the short attack.
The most prominent of these bloggers usually have no backgrounds in analysis or expertise in the science. I believe that in many cases, hedge fund employees actually write the articles which are cut and pasted into the comments of these bloggers.
The heart of the naked shorting scheme involves a group of hedge fund traders conspiring to steadily knock out offers for the stock and to trigger stop loss orders (This is explained later in this report). This is called walking the stock down. The power of these conspiracies is striking and in many cases allows the shorts can largely determine the price that they want the stock to trade at.
The stock weakness gives legitimacy to the contrived negative blogs. The idea is to create fear and uncertainty among investors by making all news events appear to be negatives and to fabricate new issues that the shorts hope will demoralize investors.
The first time I came up against this, my thought was that the blogger was someone who was just more cynical about the chances for success and had an opposite point of view from mine. This is understandable and common in research analysis. I wrote a respectful rebuttal to their argument.
I thought that after their rebuttal to my rebuttal, this would end the discussion. We had expressed our opposite points of view, would respectively disagree and move on. This had mainly been my experience in my Wall Street days as an analyst when I disagreed with another analyst. I was wrong.
The situation quickly escalated. In the rebuttal, the blogger accused me of being stupid, deceitful and being paid by the Company to write positive comments.
In this case, over 20 articles were then written in a period of a year. Usually, they were timed to a press release and regardless of the news and without exception each was interpreted as a major negative. A major strategy was to argue that management was lying to investors and manipulating the stock.
The stock would go down on good news, bad news and uncertain news. One of the pillars of stock manipulation is to make good news appear to be bad.
The blogger was indifferent to truth and actually would make up information that was factually incorrect. When made aware that the information was wrong, he/she would ignore it and even repeat it in later blogs.
There are a number of bloggers who participate in these attacks. Many of these bloggers appear to work together and coordinate their negative attacks. It is striking that many of these people have connections to one another. Many of them were trained at a well-known blogging site that was founded by hedge fund people.
Sophisticated use is made of the Internet and social media. Twitter is used to signal that an attack has begun.
Shorts are well connected to mainstream media and are adept at getting them to unwittingly participate in the scheme.
Vicious attacks are launched on writers who might have an opposite but hopefully more well-reasoned and balanced view. The usual line is that they are being paid by management to write positive articles.
Seeking Alpha has become very friendly to articles supporting short selling and is used extensively by the hedge funds. The site actually promotes as one of its favorite authors a person who writes only negative attack article on companies in which he claims that managements are lying and paying authors who have a positive view on the Company. In his disclosure, he states that he shorts stocks, then publishes a negative article on Seeking Alpha and states that he may cover immediately after the article is published. This seems to meet the definition of a pump and dump scheme. He also acknowledges that he is collaborating with other short sellers. I think they contribute the information for most of his articles
Seeking Alpha allows articles to be published by anonymous authors. These articles are often extremely bearish and are almost certainly written by people at hedge funds.
Hedge fund create pseudonyms and publish on a daily basis negative comments on message boards like Yahoo and Ihub.