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that is the straight truth -- good job!
people "investing" in a defunct sub-penny shell based on rumor to make a quick buck now complain because it didnt go exactly the way they wanted.
you buy the ticket, you take the ride.
innocent people?
IMO Flexpower is not a scam and any buys under 6$ on monday would be a steal.
With that said: innocent people???? come on down from your high horse: in regards to MONA - your an ihub jockey investing in a defunct, non reporting shell company with nothing holding it up except the chance that a real actual sucessful private company is going to RM into. Your whole purpose for being here is to make a quick buck off the hard work of people who built up a successful private company --- and now your complaining that those people that you are trying to use might be using you? WTF?
that is some rich irony dude!
Hold on a sec -- your saying that you "invest" in mega high risk defunct shell companies with the outlook that whoever is behind the scenes pulling the strings has had your best interests at heart?
If you or I invested in mona it was with the full knowledge that this was RM gamble with many many unknowns ie: what is monas share stucture, is flexpower RMing for sure, what are flexpowers revs like, are there any major mona debts that will need to be taken care of etc etc etc........
investing in mona over the past month was a high risk venture -- you were essentially investing in a defunct shell with ZERO guarantees --- if you thought otherwise then YOU ARE THE GULLIBLE RETAIL INVESTOR and you really have no business throwing our money arount the OTC so haphazardly.
thats actually the opposite of what I said -- so perhaps you meant to tell me that I am incorrect?
not worried cheifo as I currently hold ZERO postitions on this stock.
again: why do you care if he makes or loses money on this? he is an anonymous person on the internet -- its not like he's your noisy neighbor who pi$$is on your lawn and mocks your fugly wife -- right?
for those shareholders of the original shell that sell into panic for a loss ===== zero successful ending.
for those shareholders of the original shell that dont sell into panic for a loss and hold shares as the company grows and uplist ===== successful ending.
but sorry, i dont have actual percentages for ya.
a real actual successful private company IPO's or RM's for one reason: to enable expansion -- they dont do it just to sit back and do nothing afterward or close up shop - and they certainly dont do it just to mess with some anonymous people on a message board and take their beer money.
whichever route they take there will be people along for a free ride -- they cant help that nor should they necessarily care, its simply the cost of admission.
if you bought 333,333 shares for 1000$ at .003 -for example -- you need a pps of about 30$ to break even. that is hardly 10,000$ pps that you are caterwauling about.
blame the panic sellers and whatever wolfpack dumped yesterday -- they brought the pps to the trips resulting in a much lower post R/S price on monday.
exactly -- cant believe people think flexpower is gunna dump 200 million shares on the market next week?
great -- see you there
i worked in companies that wanted to go public the IPO route. its brutal.
costs millions, takes years, get probed by underwriters over and over, and when your finally ready you have given up at least a 20% stake in your company to the banks/firms that brought you to the show.
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now lets say you have a company that makes 10 million in revs --- the time is now very ripe for expansion into global markets but you dont actually have a ton of money collecting dust in the bank -- you have two choices: give up 20-40% of your company to the underwriters to bring you to an IPO on a big board ---OR--- buy a defunct OTC shell for 50,000$ and control over 95% or your entire companies A/S? Will take about the same amount of time to get to the big boards anyway -- so why bother bending over for the underwriters?
seriously, janice needs a foot massage pronto!~ dont disappoint the queen nitwit!
perhaps -- my point is that even if they chose to raise capital quickly via tripling their o/s -- as long as revs are near or above 10 million -- this stock trades higher that 6$
these people who scream bloody murder about an R/S are not seeing the big picture because they are use to trading in companies that have zero revs, zero employees, and zero products -- they are use to their defunct shell of a company R/S to dump over and over
They cant see that flexpower is a real company, with real products, and real customers, and real revenues.
whoever bought the trips today is laughing next week -- whoever bought the .003s will be laughing in the months to come. whoever panic sold will most likely have to watch with regret -- though there might be a chance to buy back in for a short time under 6$.
anyway -- i am currently on the sidelines -- been watching mona for a month but have yet to buy -- I see anything between 5-10$ as a good buy next week.
yeh -- RM flexpower into mona then dump 200 million shares on the open market at sub penny and lose control of your company == that makes total sense!
yes they will dilute -- but even if they triple their O/S, they will still be above 20$ a share.
doesnt janice shell need a foot massage right about now?
you really need to step back and get some perspective on this:
yes, they will raise the O/S --- my guess is double or triple it. SO WHAT?
if revs are 10-20 million with an O/S of say 1.5 million, that makes for a very nice pps.
you think flexpower is gunna dilute 100 million shares on the open market at subpenny and then lose control of their company?????? yeh, that makes total sense.
people can cry fake and POS all they want -- but this spilt signals to me that flexpower is in MONAD for nasdaq.
nobody on this board knows how much the O/S was for sure -- but even if it was 10 billion -- that leaves a tiny O/S of 1 million shares.
Now go take a look at PFHO-- O/S of around 800,000 with a pps of 60$ -- whats astounding is that flexpower has revenues that blow pacific coast health outta the water. And i would guesstimate that MONAD will have an A/S even lower.
If you'all think flexpower did this to use mona as a dilution mechanizm to print billions of shares at subpenny -- YOU ARE WRONG.
if they got revs between 5-10 million and an O/S of well under a million -- this stock trades on big board in short order and flexpower can then sell shares in very small blocks (in the thousands) to fund rapid global expansion and brand recognition.
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i just noticed message # 136072 --- it appears we do know the future O/S :: 477460 shares !
How will the big boards trade a company with half a million shares outstanding and revs of 10 million or more?
I agree and I would like to add the following:
95% of all OTC stocks don't have buildings, assets, a proper office, an actual real existing product, nor any real hope of generating real actual revenue of any kind, ever. Yet, we all trade em and they all issue smoke and mirror PR's detailing their "explosive growth" agendas -- but there is nothing behind those pr's, just some douche of a "CEO" issueing the pr from his couch in between bong hits or beers and selling into the euphoria.
Look at APT -- a real company, with real assets worth millions, and real employees making real products that sell in real retail chain stores -- MAKING REAL REVENUE
Now all this talk of "what if the profits arent that great, or what if they arent actually turning any profit" is INSANE JIBBERJABBER! WhoTF cares if they arent turning an actual profit -- the fact that they have actual revenues measured in the millions makes FROZ/APT an ultra rare OTC company -- Worried that they have debt? WhoTF cares if they have debt --- THEY GENERATE REAL REVENUE. Say that again to yourself: they generate real revenue. Now go take a look at all the other stock 'plays' that you've traded recently or are thinking about trading and ask yourself this: Does it generate real actual revenue measured in the millions? does it even have a product beyond the pr's it puts out?
Many companies generate billions in revenues yet have trouble turning profits -- but that don't matter to wall street, REVENUE MATTERS. Why? Because as long as you generate real revenue - you can always find ways to maximize that potential into profits and you will always have financing available when you need it.
Big companies like AMAZON have had trouble turning profits -- but that dont matter as long as they continue to generate massive amounts of revenue -- revenue keeps the wheels turning and as long as there are revenue channels there is the ability to turn a profit or in amazons case -- continue to expand.
whether APT/FROZ trades at .001 - .01 OR .10 ---- its still under valued for the sole reason that it holds real assets, generates real products -- and most of all: generates real revenue. and the revenue it generates is INSANELY MASSIVE FOR A SO CALLED "STINKY PINKY"
its a huge market - i truly dont think MM's are intently watching the action on FROZ and anticipating every PR while taking notes ~ I dont think they even know about the merger.
They use computer programs that only see numbers and probabilities and movements, whether up or down - and they often sell shares when they dont even hold any shares just to have a stake in the action.
IMO, FROZ is just a blip on the screen in the offices of an MM. I think it actually scares people to say otherwise - because that would mean actual people, with lots of power, were intent on bringing down a stock <-- that scares potential investors - your message provides zero comfort to a long or new investor.
so anytime we trade sideways or have a red day you are gunna panic? that's what you have done thus far. so many nervous nellies.....
cant handle what? if you mean we cant handle baseless and fairly incoherent jibber-jabber, then your spot on chief!
you've yet to form any kind of coherent argument to back up your obtuse conjecture...!? building up suspense for the big unveiling, or you simply got nothing to say beyond blah blah blah?
Don't worry I know the score here - and thanks for all your hard work on the great ibox by the way.
the nitwit is just one of many janis shell groupie wannabes that roam around trying to cloud peoples eyes with their melancholy breath.
they annoy me, but never affect my decisions. it would be silly to base trading decisions on what ba$hers say.
then why are you posting here, if not to tell everyone what to do with their money?
you obviously have a strong opinion that is the antithesis to the consensus formed by most posters on this board - why do that if not to try and change peoples minds and in essence - tell them what they should do with their money?
So far you have vigorously attempted to stir the pot, but you got nothing to add to the recipe, do you?
why not stop posting incoherent conjecture and START POSTING REASONS AND FACTS TO BACK UP YOUR ABSURD "OPINIONS" ?
if you can't do that, then why are you posting drivel over and over unless you got an axe to grind?
you really are a nitwit, you know?
I don't think nitwit is anything but a janish shell groupie wannabe.
and so what if your posts are 100% real opinions -- if those opinions come from a professed nitwit, why should they be considered anything but obtuse ramblings?
WTH is wrong this time?
what do you mean 'are they that serious'? Your implying APT are going through all this trouble for chits and giggles? I don't even think your ba$hing, you simply and truly have no clue.
OMG, YOU SHOULD SELL ASAP!!! pretty please with sugar on top?
I am really disappointed that this smelly shelly did an RM instead of wasting tons o' money on doing a traditional IPO (yeh i know, it only costs 70,000$ to IPO - LOL!) --- I mean sure, in a traditional IPO they would need to engage the services of a major bank/invest group and lawyers who would require 2-3 years of audits and preparation and yeh, APT would have to give them about a 20-40% stake in the company for doing so... And yeh, that would mean I actually would not be able to get in on the ground floor of an actual real company, with real products and customers -- but thats just the price i should have to pay for not having to get involved in a smelly shelly...
Am I right? Who's with me? Spidey?
GO FROZ!
hey SUZETrader -- where are you? I sold based on your prediction and now I am in dire need of your guidance! When do you think it will go to .0005? early next week maybe? I wanna buy back in but I dont know where I should put my buy order? Should I put my order at around .0006 tomorrow just in case?
Please help, I think you are one of the most knowledgable people on this board
TIA ;)
chart says we are going to the the 50m..... all this great news and we can't go up 100% every single trading day".....what a POS scam...... blah blah blah.....
you own what you own -- the only way it could change is with a forward or reverse split <- which is NOT what is happening here.
A ticker change is exactly what it sounds like: A CHANGE OF THE TICKER NAME. nothing more, nothing less. It will not change the amount of shares you own, it will only change the ticker name of the shares you own. you will not be re-issued new shares -- you will own the same shares you owned previously --> THE NAME SIMPLY CHANGES.
agreed
"the float is locked" is BS
Same with any short related banter.
ie:
"short squeeze comin" and/or "shorty gunna burn"
I agree with all that you have said -- good post.
In regards to 99% of the "companies" trading here in penny land: most penny stock traders have resigned themselves to the fact that what they are investing/trading in, is in fact an illusion of a company, its really all just smoke and mirrors -- especially with the MJ companies of late -- there is no real substance behind those PR's, its mostly all a lie that we all know is being perpetrated, yet we all trade in that fantasy as long as the wagon wheel keeps turning. The trade is not in a real actual company, but in the fantasy of said company -- then at some point the wagon stops and its time to get off and jump onto the next one -- we all acknowledge that some will be bag holders, some not -- its the luck of the draw and the outcome is predicated much on how far people are willing to let it ride before it runs outta gas....
HOWEVER - THE SITUATION WITH APT/FROZ IS NOT THE ILLUSION WE ARE ACCUSTOM TO BUYING INTO.
APT is a real company, with real customers and employees, real products, and real revenue.
The problem is, most people here in penny land are stuck in the smoke & mirror fake company mindset -- and thats how they choose to trade APT, even though its a real company.
The PPS in three months will be much higher than today. And many people will lament on their 'bad luck' because they had shares in FROZ, but will say "why did I sell/flip those shares so early! If only I knew APT was a real company, with real customers and employees, real products, and real revenue. I woulda held!"
Thats the amazing fact with this stock: The wagon will stop at some point, but it wont be because the illusion became reality -- but because the illusion was shattered - and the wagon is being upgraded to a limousine. Bye Bye fake penny land for FROZ/APT.
your simply soft ba$hing in the hopes of creating seeds of doubt among the rest of the players here. Nobody can say for sure whether it will drop to the range you stated or whether it will continue a slow rise from here for the next month.
i will answer your 3 questions for you:
1) yes, no, maybe
2) there is a flip side to that question: How many of those 20b shares will be retired after ATP takes over? I say all, including some of the A/S
3) yes, no, maybe
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You keep spamming the same diatribe over and over - and when others question you motives you respond with the usual inanity: "what, i cant have a differing opinion" - and then continue with more questions in the same vein.
If someone were "patiently" waiting for the entry point they want on a stock -- I doubt they would spend so much time vigorously spamming the board with their insistence that they WILL get that price point ---- so which is it: are you patient or impatient? ......Short or legitimately waiting for an entry point?
nevemind, I already know the answer you will give:
"what, i cant have my own opinion -- so do you think a patient investor like myself will get shares in the .006.........blah blah blah....." over and over.
In regards to apt's investor relations being rude -- I think everyone needs to bear in mind that APT has probably been inundated by traders from ihub demanding an immediate onslaught of PR's to "pop" the PPS --- but why would they do that? to allow a bunch of people from a msg board that they've never met the chance to double their money? What the heck would they care whether a bunch of hub jockeys can flip their shares or not?
APT is doing this to benefit themselves and their private investors -- NOT US. I liken us to the pilot fish that swim close to sharks and waits for the scraps.
I will repeat: APT owes us NOTHING. We will all make alot of money with our shares simply because APT has put years of blood, sweat, and toil into making their products and business outstanding and profitable --- and they did that with ZERO help from us.
The nervous nellies can exit because they didnt get their pr -- and that wont bother APT one iota because at this moment -- the current pps does not matter to them -- they know where this will be 6 months from now because they know they have the customer base, the assets, and the revenues to make it to the big boards.
This will trade erratically for the duration - but the overall trend will be up leading to the end of April. everyone needs to deal with it or move on.
hi Shawnyb7000
i dont have PM, so i reply publically:
stocks are as fickle as the people buying and selling them -- so its hard to give definitive projections on a potential PPS.
I can simply tell you what i hope for and/or expect:
.05 this week and steadily growing over the next 2-3 weeks reaching between .15-.25
there will be major sell off dips during that time, but the stock will always recover going into the final week of april.
i fully expect APT to retire most of the A/S soon after a PR announcing the completion of the merger -- it would be icing on the cake to see them actually retire some of the O/S too ~ but this all depends on just how many private shares there are to convert - they will also announce the ticker change around this time.
if the above holds true, then we should expect about .35-.50 by the first week of May and a dollar by summer.
but then again, what do i know, i am just some anonymous tool on a msg board -- I base the above soley on past experience with other RM stocks such as TRTN(shell) turning into JBII
I believe that they don't actually care too much about the pps this week or in the near term --- i really don't think they care if it "pops" tomorrow since it really doesnt benefit them.
They are looking long-term, so i am sure they are really not into "pumping" this for the benefit of people they've never met on a msg board. They have chosen RM for the sole purpose of enabling expansion of their burgeoning company - this weeks pps will not directly affect that expansion in anyway methinks.
I would assume an actual pr will arrive near the end of april.
until then, the stock will steadily rise based pretty much on hubbers wanting a ticket for the massive increase that will come when the deal is finalized and the ticker is changed. I fully expect the O/S to decrease dramatically around that point, and perhaps event the O/S -- and it wouldnt surprise me to see this near a buck at that point.
Many other Reverse mergers, especially MJ, have yet to produce any tangible products and/or income -- so they really heavily on PR'ing everything from material events such as new directors, to the ambient temperature in the office. ATP is a real brick and mortar company with real customers and employees and a very substantial(for the OTC) income -- they know where the pps will be next year -- they care not for what the pps will be tomorrow.
You know, even 2 minutes of reading the intro could have saved you from looking like a total m@r@n.
If someone is actually interested in investing in this stock and is not here to b@sh, then it behooves said individual to do at least a modicum of DD.
But to answer your incredibly inane question: nothing. nothing makes this company better than going to the store and buying a cake at a retail location.
Actually, in my view, APT will fail miserably if they choose to compete against the likes of coldstone and baskin robins -- just what in the heck were the execs at APT thinking when they invested money and time in this take over!!!
maybe they werent actually ready to release until that moment?
And maybe, since APT are not in this to P&D, and since APT are doing this to enable massive future growth of their company, maybe APT just are not in this reverse merger for the sole purpose of 'causing way more of an explosion' to the stock price on one single day so that some dude on a msg board can sell for 20% more.
maybe they are in this for the long haul, and creating more "pop" in the stock price at a time when it absolutely wouldnt benefit them in anyway just wasnt on their list of priorities friday afternoon...?!
The A/S has always been 20b. FROZ CEO did not choose to dilute, so why the heck would APT, after the money they've invested and the years of preparing for this reverse merger, why would they then decide to dilute? This is a real company with real products and real customers with real vision for future expansion -- yet you reduce all of their efforts to the jibe: "dilution is coming"
I have been bought shell company stock before reverse mergers before -- and I have been lucky enough take part in private investment in good start up companies which eventually bought a shell (like APT has just done with buying FROZ) ---- and every time, the company has NEVER diluted, in fact they've retired most of the O/S and A/S shares which is the opposite of dilution.
I think the fact is you got a case of sour grapes.