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My current take on the Msft settlement
Msft saw three possibilities.
1- Very small chance the 2nd patent could be invalidated
2- Some chance the Goog RR could be 3.5% of 2.9%
3- A good chance the Goog RR could be 3.5% of 20.9% or more
Msft wanted to settle early in good faith and get something of a discount for their effort. Since there are still three possible scenarios as to how much Goog will eventually end up paying, and that it could be some time before Goog pays. Msft wanted to tie their settlement amount to Goog's amount so as to not over pay needlessly. That actually makes sense to me.
So the agreement was that for now Msft would pay something in the range of 3.5% of 2.9% (with something of a discount). And that it would be some combination of cold cash and possibly patents, if the two companies could come to some agreement as to which ones and how many. With a built in clause that if Goog ends up paying substantially more than 3.5% of 2.9%... then Msft's settlement amount increases to an already decided on but undisclosed amount (or percentage).
And like Postyle has already stated, there is a time based confidentiality agreement or hush period.
The Msft settlement is in fact not necessarily a bad deal for Vrng. Except from a short term publicity stand point.
This all seems extremely reasonable to me.
But of course I'm sure someone out there will want to shoot it down.
If you write an SA article, just mention vrng and wddd and whoever else it's about in the article... a ton of peeps that have requested getting notified about every article on those stocks will get an email notice about your article. A lot of peeps will read it even if you've never written an article before and even if they've never heard of you.
Unless what you write is just a blog article. Those don't get notices sent out. So make it a full blown article.
SA-article: Key Patent Players: Stocks With Large Potential
Link to the Article on SA:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1319801-key-patent-players-stocks-with-large-potential?source=email_rt_article_title
By: Alexander Maxwell
Apr 4 2013, 05:11 | about: VRNG, includes: DSS, MGT, PRKR, VHC, WDDD.OB
Disclosure: I am long VRNG. (More...)
Patent stocks have become an interesting concept as of late. Some people call them patent trolls, however from a pure speculation standpoint their idea has been quite interesting. There is a large amount of money to be made through correctly predicting a court's decision, and through being able to get in early in some of these patent companies. If you are looking to speculate based on some upcoming court decisions, I would refer you to my recent article. This article will address some of the patent companies that are currently generating buzz around the investment community.
One company that seems to constantly be in the headline these days is Vringo, inc. (VRNG). Vringo has had a much publicized lawsuit against Google (GOOG), in which the jury awarded Vringo $30 million plus a 3.5% royalty rate until the expiration of Vringo's patents. Vringo was litigating over how Google ranks ads, claiming that the algorithm used by Google infringed upon Vringo's patents. A key question of the trial has been 3.5% of what, Vringo maintains that it was 3.5% of the 20.9% revenue increase which Google saw as a result of infringing upon Vringo's patents. Google maintains that subsequent to how the jury calculated past damages, that it was 3.5% of 2.9% of the revenue increase. I would lean, however, towards the former.
It is very rare for a judge to award co-defendants different royalty rates, and as the jury used that rate for everyone except for Google, it would seem as though the jury made a simple arithmetic error. I would also support this conclusion due to the fact that the 20.9% royalty rate was the one that Vringo showed to the jury, so there would be no basis for a different royalty rate. Remember, during the trial Google chose to try to argue for a lump-sum, and presented no counter royalty number. This should hurt Google now that the jury has come back determining that Vringo is entitled to royalties. However, the judge has still not officially ruled on what is going to happen, Vringo seeks to have the rate increased, while Google would like to see the entire verdict thrown out. It is very rare for a judge to go against what a jury has said, so I would not expect any sort of judgment where the case is thrown out.
Vringo has also recently received some press when it was announced that Vringo is in settlement discussions with Microsoft (MSFT). Vringo is suing Microsoft for the exact same thing as Google, related to the search patents that Vringo owns. Vringo is also currently suing a third company, ZTE. Vringo has filed these lawsuits in Germany, Britain, and recently in France. These are related to telecommunications infrastructure patents, which Vringo obtained from Nokia (NOK). Also importantly, Vringo just announced that the judge has rejected Google's Judgment as a Matter of Law motions. The court also rejected Vringo's motion for a new trial solely on past damages. This however, does not completely close the door as to whether or not the judge will correct the mathematical error of the jury. Vringo is a company with huge potential, and a company that has the potential to be a thorn in the side of large corporations for many years to come. Vringo is also working on its next generations of patents, due to a recent agreement signed with Virginia Tech.
A much bigger patent player, with a proven track record is VirnetX (VHC). Virnet X has won patent infringement lawsuit against some of the biggest players in the industry; including a recent win against Apple (AAPL) to the tune of $368 million. This verdict was due to VirnetX's patents related to network technology. Also of note is that the judge ordered for Apple to pay Virnet X more than $330,000 per day until the companies reached an agreement amongst themselves. Despite VirnetX's success, it has not been without bumps in the road. One major road-bump came when a jury ruled that Cisco (CSCO) did not infringe upon patents owned by VirnetX. Ironically, this was over the same technology as the technology utilized by Apple.
VirnetX has made a history of going after industry titans, considering that it settled a similar lawsuit in 2010 versus Microsoft for more than $200 million. Virnet X is once again taking on Apple, this time going after Apple for the next generation of devices. As is typical, VirnetX asks for an injunction, the odds of this happening are relatively low within the United States of America. It is probable, however, that VirnetX and Apple might settle, provided that the judge does not rule that these products were covered within the scope of the original lawsuit. Apple does not want another courtroom embarrassment and also there is solid basis for the demands of VirnetX, and the price that Apple would have to pay is much clearer, now that a court has ruled for both sides what the value of a license from VirnetX would be worth.
Another idea which is interesting if they do go to trial is the idea of treble damages for willful infringement. This time around, Apple knows about VirnetX's patents, it knows about the enforceability of the patents, and it knows that they exist. With this in mind Apple continues to infringe upon the patents, and hence could be hit with the status of a 'willful infringer' which would open for the doctrine of treble damages. With continued courtroom success, investors have very high hopes for this company. VirnetX has shown its willingness to battle in court with the biggest companies in the world, and it is large lawsuits like the ones mentioned above that shareholders have come to expect from VirnetX's legal team.
Now, shifting to a much smaller player in the patent litigation field, but one with similar potential should it win in front of a jury is MGT Capital Investments (MGT). MGT is a company with a rather small $10.74 million market cap. MGT represents, in my opinion, one of the better values out of the patent plays as it has a huge amount of upside potential should it win its upcoming patent lawsuit. MGT filed a lawsuit in November 2012 in the Southern District of Mississippi for patent infringement. In the lawsuit they allege that the defendants infringed and continue to infringe upon MGT gaming's (a majority owned subsidiary of MGT) patents regarding a "Gaming Device Having a Second Separate Bonusing Event". The defendants are some very big names within the gaming industry: Caesars Entertainment Corporation (CZR), MGM Resorts International (MGM), Penn National Gaming inc (PENN) and Aruze Gaming America. These are all companies that MGT has identified as either producing the infringing products, or as operators of the infringing products.
A significant upcoming event in the next few months would be MGT's Markman Hearing regarding its lawsuit. For those of you who don't know, a Markman hearing is a hearing in which the court determines the language of the patent that can be displayed to the jury. This is obviously very important, as if a company gets its interpretation of the definition of the patent into the court, it could help to serve as a basis for its lawsuit. Similarly, the risk would be in this hearing for the plaintiff if the court tailors down and gives a much more narrow definition/interpretation of the patent, as it should be much harder in that scenario to determine patent infringement. The Markman hearing date has the potential to send the price of the stock way up, for examples see Vringo, ParkerVision, and VHC before and after their Markman hearings.
Anyways, back to MGT's lawsuit, MGT has a good lawfirm in Nixon & Vanderhye representing them in their patent lawsuit. A courtroom verdict or settlement for a small cap stock like MGT would be huge for the stock price, and would help to demonstrate the enforceability of MGT's patent portfolio. This is key, as if MGT wins it would open up the doors for licensing deals with other companies who are making similarly infringing slot machines, as these companies would also not want to lose in court versus MGT. With a small market cap, but the potential for significant damages to be inflicted upon the defendants, MGT has some fantastic potential to generate results for its shareholders. MGT is one of my favorite buys in this article, due to its relatively small market cap, and the large potential for damages. Obviously, the downside to this risk is if MGT loses its lawsuit, it would have paid money for its attorney fees for absolutely nothing.
Keeping with the David vs. Goliath theme, another company who has recently emerged in the patent space is Worlds, Inc. (WDDD.OB). Worlds holds many different patents regarding the construction of Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Games (abbreviated: "MMORPG"). Worlds made headlines when it filed a lawsuit against Activision Blizzard (ATVI). This is related to ActivisionBlizzard's extremely popular World of Warcraft and Call of Duty games. In this lawsuit, World's seeks unspecified damages, and demands a trial by jury.
Just like MGT, Worlds also has an upcoming Markman hearing date, which should help to boost its stock price (provided that the ruling goes mostly World's way). The Markman hearing date is currently June 27th, 2013. Worlds is another stock with a relatively low market cap at $31.09million at the time of the writing of this article. For this reason, Worlds represents one of the better risk reward ratios versus the other stocks in this article. Also, given Worlds' recent $2.3 million dollar financing agreement, the risk of dilution by Worlds in order to fund its lawsuit has largely been contained. The interesting concept with what Worlds is doing is that it seems that if the company should win its lawsuit, similar to MGT, it would pave the way for a great deal more in terms of licensing deals with companies that create similarly infringing products. With both Worlds and MGT suing some of the biggest companies in their respective industries, are they future VHCs or just wannabes?
Another very interesting play is Document Security Systems (DSS). This company is actually not your 'traditional patent troll' in the sense that it has revenue which is actually rather substantial, and an underlying business. In Q4 of 2012, DSS reported $5.4 million in revenue. However, the reason that the company is a patent play is due to Document Security Systems' upcoming merger with Lexington Technology Group. This merger is on pace to close in the spring of 2013. This should be well in time for Lexington's Markman hearing on October 2nd, 2013.
So what exactly makes Lexington/DSS an interesting patent play? It is who Lexington is suing that is grabbing headlines, they are suing Facebook (FB) , LinkedIn (LNKD), Novell, Broadvision (BVSN), and Jive Software (JIVE). Lexington, unfortunately, was not able to keep the case in the Eastern District of Virginia and the judge recently transferred the case to the Northern District of California. This could be significant in terms of a timeline for the case, there is a reason that Facebook and the other defendants wanted to move the case away from Eastern Virginia's fast-track. Not to mention the fact that a jury in Eastern Virginia is not necessarily the same as a jury in Northern California in terms of jury verdicts. Nonetheless, the case does seem to be making progress, and as soon as the merger is completed this stock could become one to watch very quickly going into the Markman hearing.
With DSS also having generated revenue, this stock is shaping up to become a very interesting patent play, and a favorable play for shareholders as the revenue generating Document Security Systems should help to offset the potential negatives of Lexington Technology Group losing (should it lose). A potential downside would be, although unlikely, if the merger does indeed fall through expect DSS's valuation to drop, as part of the movements of the lawsuit seem to already be baked into Document Security System's stock price. This stock has high potential, and is another case of a relatively small company taking on some rather large corporations.
A final patent play that I would like to analyze is ParkerVision (PRKR). Parker recently had a favorable Markman order versus Qualcomm (QCOM). Parkervision is a model for what a favorable Markman order can do for a stock. On the day before the Markman order, February 20th, ParkerVision was trading at $2.43 per share. The next day after the favorable Markman hearing is announced, ParkerVision was trading at $4.21 per share. This represents a substantial gain for shareholders due to the favorable markman ruling.
ParkerVision is essentially suing Qualcomm over Qualcomm's utilization of products that ParkerVision asserts goes against its patents on radio frequency technologies. If you would like to go much more in depth, here is the complaint. ParkerVision also survived a significant hurdle recently when the court denied Qualcomm's motion to dismiss ParkerVision's claims of indirect infringement. All that is significant about it means that the judge feels that there is enough evidence to be presented to a jury, not necessarily that the judge believes that ParkerVision will win its case. However, given a successful Markman hearing, it would be a safe statement to say that Parkervision's chances of winning did indeed increase. When ParkerVision won on its claims as to how the patents should be interpreted, the company won a more broad version than what Qualcomm wanted presented to the jury. A broader patent means more potential for a jury to find infringement, and thus to rule in ParkerVision 's favor. ParkerVision after its recent secondary offering, should have more than sufficient cash and cash equivalents to take it through to a jury verdict. Overall, ParkerVision is yet another patent play with substantial potential suing a much larger company.
All of the patent plays mentioned have their merits, but they also face the risk of losing. Trying to predict a court result is inherently quite risky, but there is a great amount of money to be made should an investor pick correctly. Many of these companies are suing industry leaders, and each of the stocks mentioned, in my opinion, have the potential to grow in value as they continue to sue much larger corporations. Investing in patent stocks is inherently risky business. If a small cap company loses it is possible for the patents that the company holds to be worth nothing. However, it is also possible for a company to hit the proverbial jackpot like VirnetX has in terms of its Apple and Microsoft litigation.
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@redux If there's a new trial,it would be just for past damages only. Right now past damages is minimized, so a new trial for this is high percentage chance to mean more in past damages. Hopefully changing it from 120mil to 450mil or so.
That's why a few here have said that if a new trial for past damages is granted, that would be a signal to Goog to seriously consider settling.
JJ could still rule on the rest of the motions independent of a new trial for past damages.
SA article: Vringo: Court May Have Telegraphed Decision Worth 40% Of This Stock's Market Cap
by -> Adam Gill
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1211761-vringo-court-may-have-telegraphed-decision-worth-40-of-this-stock-s-market-cap?source=email_rt_article_title
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Disclosure: I am long VRNG, GOOG, AAPL. (More...)
Regardless of your views on patents and patent litigation, the dynamic nature and high stakes involved result in trading and investing opportunities. Patent litigation is currently an important issue for many corporations: Apple (AAPL) is in an epic worldwide patent battle against Samsung (SSNLF.PK); Motorola (GOOG) is at war with both Microsoft (MSFT) and Oracle (ORCL); and Carnegie Mellon University just won a $1 billion judgment against Marvell Technology Group (MRVL).
Patent litigation has even greater importance for smaller companies that derive much or all of their revenue from patent licensing: VirnetX (VHC) recently won a $368 million jury verdict against Apple and is scheduled to begin trial on the same patents in March against Cisco (CSCO). Intellectual property company Vringo (VRNG) - the focus on this article - prevailed against GOOG in November, obtaining a 3.5% royalty rate for past damages on two patents relating to search engine technology developed by Lycos, Inc in the 1990s. I have previously written about the VRNG vs. GOOG (a.k.a. I/P Engine v. AOL et al.) case here, here and here.
This article analyzes the post-trial motions in the VRNG v. GOOG case on the issue of damages, and the related requests for new trials. Briefing on these issues was completed last Friday, February 15. As an initial matter, it is clear from Google's latest filings that GOOG has not conceded to a running royalty, as some commenters previously suggested. GOOG devotes an entire section in its Reply to its argument that a running royalty is not appropriate. (Dkt. 894)
The parties' damages motions are meaningful to VRNG's valuation. VRNG, which has a $250 million market cap., is seeking to increase the jury verdict for past damages by approximately $100 million (its motion for future royalties would further increase the award by an even larger amount) through a request for a new trial on the limited issue of the dollar amount of past damages. (Dkt. 825) The dollar amount assigned to GOOG in the verdict form (reprinted below) does not equal 3.5% (the awarded rate) of any royalty base that was urged by VRNG or anyone else during trial. GOOG seeks a denial of all damages, or in the alternative a new trial on all issues. Because VRNG is such a small company, the outcome of these motions will likely have a significant impact on its share price.
Judge Jackson has a great deal of discretion in how to proceed. As a legal matter, the new trial requested by VRNG is authorized but not required by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. For the reasons discussed below, however, I think the most likely outcome of the damages motions (although other motions are also pending) is that Judge Jackson will grant a new trial, and that the scope of the trial will be the dollar amount of past damages (i.e., question III.C. from the Jury Verdict form). This would be an excellent outcome for VRNG as it would give VRNG the chance to increase past damages without risking its wins in the other areas of the case.
The Facts
After each party had presented its case but before closing arguments, Judge Jackson held that laches applied to VRNG's claims against GOOG (for a discussion of the laches issue, see here). This decision eliminated six years of damages prior to the filing of the complaint in 2011. As a result, the Court was faced with the question of whether to have the jury determine damages for a new shortened period, or on the full period that was presented by both sides throughout trial, with judge adjusting any award as needed. The judge was initially inclined to do the latter:
(Trial Tr. at 1813). GOOG counsel successfully argued against this approach and Judge Jackson ultimately had the jury determine damages for the new, shortened period.
During deliberations, the jury asked four questions, three of which showed confusion over the damages period and the related calculation: 1. "Is there a date to use when considering the question of third party infringement;" 2. "If a royalty rate is determined, are we to apply the rate to a certain figure for each defendant;" and 3. "To what figure do we apply the rate." (Trial Tr. at 2141-2149) The Court answered yes to questions 1 and 2, and instructed the jury to use their memory of the evidence to determine the figure to apply to the rate.
The jury returned a verdict finding the patents valid and infringed, a 3.5% running royalty rate for past damages, and assigned a damages amount to each defendant. However, the verdict appears internally inconsistent on the damage amounts. Google, which had over 90% of the infringing revenue, only had a little over half of the awarded damages. Moreover, the damages amount assigned to GOOG does not line up with 3.5% of any amount that was argued or discussed during trial. In short, the numbers do not line up with themselves, the 3.5% royalty, or the evidence presented.
The award does make sense, however, if you move the decimal point for the Google damages number one place to the right, as VRNG shows in this table from its motion (825) and its opposition to Google's motion (Dkt. 871):
(click to enlarge)
The Parties' Current Positions
VRNG is seeking a new trial solely on dollar amount of past damages (Dkt. 825). Because the Court used a special jury verdict form with specific questions on the dollar amount of past damages, a new trial can be limited to this issue. The damages section of the verdict form follows:
(click to enlarge)
A new trial can therefore be limited to question III.C, leaving the liability, running royalty, and royalty rate issues in tact.
VRNG argued in its opening motion for a new damages trial (Dkt. 825 & 826) that a new trial should be granted because the verdict is inconsistent and against the weight of the evidence. GOOG opposes VRNG's request, arguing that VRNG waived the ability to object to an internally inconsistent jury verdict by failing to object before the jury was dismissed, and that VRNG failed to provide adequate evidence to support a running royalty, a 3.5% royalty rate, or a damages base to which a royalty rate can be applied. Google seeks JMOL on these issues or alternatively argues for a new trial on numerous issues, including other damages issues and liability.
VRNG's reply does not address the waiver of an internally inconsistent verdict, but focuses on the argument that the verdict was against the weight of the evidence. VRNG (correctly, I think) dismisses much of GOOG's damages argument as re-hashing issues that the judge and jury have already decided.
Analysis
As I mention above, I think that Judge Jackson will order a new trial, and that it will be limited to the issue of past damages. Both parties have argued in their damages motions that the jury did not have adequate information on the royalty base to which the royalty rate was applied. The reason for this is the application of the laches decision right before closing arguments. In the trial transcript, Judge Jackson was initially going to submit the entire damages period to the jury and apply laches later:
(Trial Tr. at 1813). GOOG counsel, however, convinced Judge Jackson to require VRNG to present the limited time to the jury. Even in accepting GOOG's argument, the Judge realized and commented twice that a new trial was possible as a result:
(Trial Tr. at 1814)
(Trial Tr. at 1892).
One of GOOG's main arguments against a new trial is that VRNG failed to present adequate damages evidence to the jury. GOOG also brought this up to the court during the laches discussion, but the Court thinks that there is adequate evidence in the record, even in light of GOOG's argument:
(Trial Tr. at 1964). GOOG repeating this argument in its briefs is unlikely to persuade the Court to deny VRNG all damages.
Additionally, the lack of evidence in the record that GOOG complains about is largely the result of GOOG fighting the introduction of damages evidence during the trial. The Court made clear, however, that if GOOG challenged the sufficiency of the evidence after getting it excluded, the Court was going to let VRNG put that evidence in the record:
(Trial Tr. at 828). GOOG now challenges the lack of specific damages evidence notwithstanding VRNG expert Dr. Becker's testimony - which itself is evidence. The Court's sentiments above are another reason that it may grant VRNG's motion and allow it to enter additional damages evidence.
If there is a new trial, the scope will be crucial. VRNG wants to limit a trial to past damages dollars only, to protect its wins on all the other issues; GOOG argues for re-trying the entire case so it can have a second shot. I see no need for the Judge to open the issues of liability, running royalty or royalty rate. Judge Jackson appears to be a very practical judge, and based on his comments in the trial and his decision on VRNG's laches JMOL before the briefing was even completed, it appears that he is not going to put up with more of the parties and their attorneys than he needs to. Therefore, if he is inclined to allow a new trial, I think it will be limited to what is needed to address the problem, which in this situation is the past damages amount. That would only require evidence regarding the royalty base for the period from October 2011 forward, and the application of the already-decided 3.5% royalty rate to that base. That said, opening the entire damages issue may be a reasonable solution as well, but GOOG is going for the whole trial, not just damages.
Conclusion
The current jury verdict on the dollar amount of GOOG's past damages is internally inconsistent in its current form, and is far lower than the 3.5% running royalty the jury awarded. Both sides have argued that the jury did not have the right information, and it is clear that the confusion stems in large part from the late laches ruling. The proper course would seem to be to fix the problem - which can be accomplished by a limited trial - rather than keeping an inconsistent verdict that appears to contain an error.
If there is a new trial on this issue, my guess is that VRNG will be able to establish a 20.9% royalty base, as GOOG's lump sum approach was rejected by the jury in question III.A (see above), and the experts will be limited to the expert reports submitted well before the trial. The ultimate result to VRNG could be the past damages being increased by nearly $100 million.
A note about the scope of this analysis: This analysis is limited to the motions discussed, and is without respect to issues such as GOOG's motions regarding invalidity (Dkt. 820) and infringement (Dkt. 831), which could add issues to a new trial if granted.
I expected warrants to drop lower because of the lowering of the PPS. I thought I'd see it in the teens but was surprised to see it still at $1.24.
Then it just now went up to $1.27??? Sure I expect that some are buying at this level, but with the PPS at very low 3's the warrants should be lower than where they currently are. Are the MMs keeping them higher than they should be?
doc 897 DECLARATION OF KENNETH W. BROTHERS IN SUPPORT OF I/P ENGINE INC.’S REPLY REGARDING ITS MOTION FOR A NEW TRIAL ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF PAST DAMAGES
ThinkingMan: Paragraph 5 reads like the defendant lawyers supplied a document to JJ and told him a copy was also given to the plaintiff lawyers. JJ ruled on laches. Then after JJ's ruling plaintiff heard about the document and noted that they had not been given a copy of that document prior to the ruling. But JJ had already ruled at that point.
_______________________________
_______________________________
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA
NORFOLK DIVISION
__________________________________________
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I/P ENGINE, INC., )
)
Plaintiff, )
v. ) Civ. Action No. 2:11-cv-512
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AOL, INC. et al., )
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Defendants. )
__________________________________________)
DECLARATION OF KENNETH W. BROTHERS IN SUPPORT OF I/P ENGINE INC.’S
REPLY REGARDING ITS MOTION FOR A NEW TRIAL ON THE DOLLAR
AMOUNT OF PAST DAMAGES
I, Kenneth W. Brothers, declare as follows:
1. I am a partner with the law firm of Dickstein Shapiro LLP, 1825 Eye Street N.W.,
Washington, DC 20006 and am counsel for Plaintiff I/P Engine, Inc. (“I/P Engine”) in the abovecaptioned
litigation. I have personal knowledge of the facts stated herein.
2. Attached hereto as Exhibit A is a true and correct copy of PDX-083, which was
shown at trial.
3. Counsel for both I/P Engine and the Defendants exchanged demonstrative
exhibits prior to closing arguments. Exhibit B, attached hereto, is a true and correct copy of one
of the demonstratives provided by Defendants’ counsel. Defendants counsel indicated his intent
to use Exhibit B at closing during the un-transcribed instruction conference.
4. Attached hereto as Exhibit C is a true and correct copy of PDX-077, which was
shown at trial.
Case 2:11-cv-00512-RAJ-TEM Document 897 Filed 02/15/13 Page 1 of 3 PageID# 22630
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5. Defendants submitted a declaration from Mr. Nelson, which they rely on in their
opposition brief, in which Mr. Nelson states, “As soon as Defendants’ counsel located [Odetics],
we immediately presented it (by hand) to both the Court and Plaintiff’s counsel.” (D.I. 865, ¶ 4.)
This statement is false. I am now aware that, during the recess following I/P Engine’s initial
closing statement, Defendants’ counsel (Mr. Noona and Mr. Bilsker) provided a copy of the
Odetics case to the Court. Neither Mr. Noona, Mr Bilsker, nor any other counsel for Defendants,
disclosed that fact to me or any other attorney for I/P Engine. During that recess, the Court
considered the case, and decided to change its laches ruling. After the Court announced its
decision, I noted that I had not received a copy of the case (Trial Tr. at 2018:3-6) nor was I aware
that Defendants had provided it to the Court. The Court inquired about why I was not provided a
copy, and Mr. Nelson responded, “I didn’t have a copy of the case. I had a citation.” (Trial Tr.
at 2018:7-10.) At that point Mr. Nelson’s co-counsel, Mr. Bilsker, stood up and handed me a
copy of the Odetics case.
I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
Dated: February 15, 2013 By: ___/s/ Kenneth W. Brothers______
Kenneth W. Brothers
DICKSTEIN SHAPIRO LLP
1825 Eye Street, NW
Washington, DC 20006
Telephone: (202) 420-2200
Facsimile: (202) 420-2201
Counsel for Plaintiff I/P Engine, Inc.
Case 2:11-cv-00512-RAJ-TEM Document 897 Filed 02/15/13 Page 2 of 3 PageID# 22631
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CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
I hereby certify that on this 15th day of February, 2013, the foregoing
DECLARATION OF KENNETH W. BROTHERS IN SUPPORT OF I/P ENGINE INC.’S
REPLY REGARDING ITS MOTION FOR A NEW TRIAL ON THE DOLLAR
AMOUNT OF PAST DAMAGES, was served via the Court’s CM/ECF system, on the
following:
Stephen Edward Noona
Kaufman & Canoles, P.C.
150 W Main St
Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510
senoona@kaufcan.com
David Bilsker
David Perlson
Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan LLP
50 California Street, 22nd Floor
San Francisco, CA 94111
davidbilsker@quinnemanuel.com
davidperlson@quinnemanuel.com
Robert L. Burns
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner, LLP
Two Freedom Square
11955 Freedom Drive
Reston, VA 20190
robert.burns@finnegan.com
Cortney S. Alexander
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner, LLP
3500 SunTrust Plaza
303 Peachtree Street, NE
Atlanta, GA 94111
cortney.alexander@finnegan.com
/s/ Jeffrey K. Sherwood
Case 2:11-cv-00512-RAJ-TEM Document 897 Filed 02/15/13 Page 3 of 3 PageID# 22632
doc 896 PLAINTIFF I/P ENGINE’S REPLY IN SUPPORT OF ITS MOTION FOR A NEW TRIAL ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF PAST DAMAGES
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA
NORFOLK DIVISION
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I/P ENGINE, INC., )
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Plaintiff, )
v. ) Civ. Action No. 2:11-cv-512
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AOL, INC. et al., )
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Defendants. )
)
PLAINTIFF I/P ENGINE’S REPLY IN SUPPORT OF ITS MOTION FOR A NEW
TRIAL ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF PAST DAMAGES
I. INTRODUCTION
The jury found that damages should be calculated with 1) a running royalty and 2) a 3.5%
royalty rate. Google’s damages model, which was based on a lump sum payment, was expressly
rejected by the jury. As such, the only evidence that the jury could have relied on was that
evidence presented during the testimony of Dr. Becker, I/P Engine’s damages expert. I/P
Engine’s damages evidence supported an award of approximately $120 million from September
15, 2011 (the date of filing of the Complaint) through September 30, 2012. The jury, however,
inexplicably deviated from the evidence by orders of magnitude for its damages
calculation. Because the jury’s verdict on damages is unsupported by the clear weight of the
evidence, a new trial is required on the damages amount for the post-filing damages period.
II. THE JURY’S PAST DAMAGES AWARD IS AGAINST THE CLEAR WEIGHT
OF THE EVIDENCE
Under Rule 59(a), a court may grant a new trial if the verdict is against the clear weight
of the evidence. Attard Indus., Inc. v. U.S. Fire Ins. Co., No. 1:10cv121, 2010 U.S. Dist. LEXIS
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119119, at *5 (E.D. Va. Nov. 9, 2010), citing Atlas Food Sys. & Servs. Inc. v. Crane Nat’l
Vendors, Inc., 99 F.3d 587, 594 (4th Cir. 1996). For the post-filing damages period, the evidence
supports an award of past damages of approximately $120 million against all Defendants. (Trial
Tr. at 848:14-21; Brothers Decl., Exh. A (PDX-083).)1 Yet the jury awarded a total of $30.5
million in damages against all Defendants, one quarter of the appropriate damages award.
Since Defendants did not provide any alternative royalty theory, I/P Engine’s damages
evidence was the only evidence that the jury could have relied on for its damages award. This
evidence showed that the lion’s share of infringing revenues (over 90%) was attributable to
Google. (Trial Tr. at 832:5-833:13; Brothers Decl., Exh. C (PDX-077).) Google’s infringing
revenue base was over ten times greater than that of the non-Google Defendants combined.
Thus, Google’s award should be at least ten times greater than that of the non-Google
Defendants. Indeed, the damages methodology used by Dr. Becker was the same for all
Defendants; the royalty rate (3.5%) was the same; and the apportionment percentage (20.9%)
was the same. But the Google award was $15.8 million -- only 7.5 percent more than the $14.7
million award against the non-Google Defendants. There is nothing in the record to reconcile
this inconsistency. And while the parties have provided the Court with their respective and
differing views for the inconsistency (Motion at 14-15; Opp. at 24 n.15), the result is the same.
The jury’s $30.5 million damages award differs from the $120 million damages award supported
by the evidence by a factor of four.
The Federal Circuit has made clear that a new trial is justified when a jury verdict is
substantially smaller than the one suggested by the evidence. In Richardson v. Suzuki Motor
1 Although Defendants deny in their opposition that I/P Engine’s evidence supported a $120
million damages award for the post-filing damages period, during the instruction conference,
Defendants were prepared to present that very same number to the jury as the damages
calculation under I/P Engine’s damages model. (Brothers Decl. ¶ 2, Exh. B.)
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Co., Ltd., 868 F.2d 1226, 1240-41 (Fed. Cir. 1989), as here, the instructions of the district court
caused the jury to award damages that were too low by a factor of four. There, the appellate
court ordered a new trial on damages. Likewise, in Del Mar Avionics, Inc. v. Quinton Instrument
Co., 836 F.2d 1320, 1328 (Fed. Cir. 1987), the Federal Circuit vacated a 5% royalty where the
evidence demonstrated that the appropriate amount of royalties were “substantially higher.” The
same should occur here.
III. THE DISCREPANCY IN THE PAST DAMAGES AWARD AGAINST GOOGLE
IS A RESULT OF THE TIMING OF THE COURT’S LACHES RULING
Respectfully, I/P Engine believes that the timing of the Court’s laches ruling complicated
the jury’s already difficult task and contributed to the error in the damages award. When the
Court ruled on laches, the parties already had tried their damages cases. They had presented all
of their evidence with the understanding that (1) the jury would be deciding damages from
September 15, 2005, and (2) the Court would take up the equitable issue of laches after the jury
verdict only if necessary. (See Trial Tr. at 1815:1-11.) The Court’s laches ruling, which limited
the damages period to post filing of the complaint, came the day before closing arguments, after
the record had been closed regarding damages evidence.
By this time, both sides presented damages evidence relevant to the royalty base and total
damages numbers for the seven years spanning September 15, 2005 to September 30, 2012.
(Trial Tr. at 754:10-935:20; 1556:11-1769:6.) The evidence of the adjusted royalty base and
total damages numbers covered these seven years. (Trial Tr. at 832:20-833:13; 846:4-17;
848:14-849:6.) Rather than permit the jury to come to a verdict on the already presented
evidence, then adjusting that verdict after to reflect the Court’s laches ruling, the jury had to
make assumptions. The jury could not rely on I/P Engine’s precise, numerical calculation of
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damages. Instead, it had to attempt to recall I/P Engine’s damages methodology, then apply it
only to the four quarters included within the post-filing damages period.
The jury’s multiple-damages related questions during deliberation show how much it
struggled with calculating the amount of past damages due to the timing and sequence of the
Court’s implementation of its laches rulings.2 (Trial Tr. at 2146:15-17; 2148:7 (“If a running
royalty rate is determined, are we to apply the rate to a certain figure for each defendant?” and
“To what figure do we apply the rate?”; see also 2141:1-2; 2154:24-2155:1.) The royalty base
numbers that the jury sought in each of its questions were available for the seven year damages
period that I/P Engine presented in its damages case. Those royalty base numbers for the postfiling
damages period were integrated into the original damage claims against each defendant,
and were illustrated to the jury through Dr. Becker’s testimony and in demonstratives showing
the surging revenues in 2011 and 2012. (Trial Tr. at 848:14-849:6; Exh. A (PDX-083).)
As a result, while the jury did the best that it could, the jury’s award is orders of
magnitude lower than the evidence showed; it is too low by a factor of four. Thus, a new trial is
required. Richardson, 868 F.2d at 1240-41; Del Mar Avionics, 836 F.2d at 1328.
2 I/P Engine’s assent to the Court’s responses to the jury’s questions does not constitute waiver
of its right to request a new trial based upon the jury’s subsequent award as being against the
clear weight of the evidence. The Court had overruled I/P Engine’s timely objections to the
substance and timing of the Court’s laches rulings. Trial Tr. at 1811:19-1812:2 (suggesting
leaving the damages period unchanged); 1815:12-1816:15 (suggesting allowing the jury to
evaluate both damages periods); 1976:9-19, 2022:13-18 (objecting to jury instructions regarding
the damages period). A party is not obligated to reiterate an overruled objection every time the
issue is later presented. College Loan Corp. v. SLM Corp., 396 F.3d 588, 599 n. 10 (4th Cir.
2005) (no waiver where Court was “fully aware of the plaintiff’s position” but had rejected that
position).
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IV. A ONE-DAY TRIAL IS REQUIRED TO CORRECT THE ERROR OF THE
PAST-DAMAGES AWARD AND TO CURE THE PREJUDICE CAUSED BY
THE TIMING OF THE COURT’S LACHES RULING
A new trial limited to the issue of damages from September 15, 2011 through September
30, 2012, will allow the jury to consider evidence tailored to the damages period, and cure the
error and prejudice described above. See Attard Indus., Inc., No. 1:10cv121, 2010 U.S. Dist.
LEXIS 119119, at * 5; Pacific Ins. Co. v. Am. Nat'l Fire Ins. Co., 148 F.3d 396, 403 (4th Cir. Va.
1998).
The only issue and evidence that needs to be tried and presented before a new jury is that
which is required to determine the royalty base. The jury already has determined that the form of
a reasonable royalty is a running royalty. (D.I. 789 at 11.) This finding should remain
undisturbed because it is substantially supported by the evidence (e.g. Trial Tr. at 769:23-772:21)
and is not implicated by the present motion. See Int'l Ground Transp. v. Mayor And City
Council Of Ocean City, MD, 475 F.3d 214, 218-19 (4th Cir. 2007) (jury verdicts supported by
substantial evidence should not be disturbed). That finding also eliminates the need for
Defendants to present their alternative lump-sum damages model. (E.g. Trial Tr. at 1564:8-
1565:1.) Further, the jury’s finding that the rate of a reasonable royalty is 3.5%, which is also
supported by substantial evidence (Trial Tr. at 784:24-799:1; 833:24-846:7) and is not implicated
by this motion, eliminates the need for any experts to address most of the Georgia Pacific
factors. See Richardson-Vicks Inc. v. Upjohn Co., 122 F.3d 1476, 1484-85 (Fed. Cir. 1997)
(“[T]he special verdict enables errors to be localized so that the sound portions of the verdict
may be saved and only the unsound portions be subject to redeterminations through a new
trial.”).
As such, once the jury determines the royalty base, it is a simple matter of applying the
running royalty rate of 3.5% to the royalty base. At trial, Dr. Becker presented this evidence in
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about an hour, and cross-examination on that topic was less than 30 minutes. (Trial Tr. at
779:11-784:23; 799:2-832:23 (direct); 902:6-919:22 (cross).) Defendants’ unrealistic time
estimate for a new trial (at 27) contemplates an opening on all issues (liability and damages) and
testimony and evidence on all damages-related issues. Because the scope of the trial is tightly
defined by the jury’s special verdict findings, however, a new trial on the dollar amount of past
damages could be completed in a day.
V. DEFENDANTS’ WAIVER ARGUMENT IS MERITLESS
Defendants’ central argument is that I/P Engine waived any right to a new trial because it,
aware that Defendants raised a laches defense, should have introduced damages claims under
both a non-laches and laches scenario. (Opp. at 1, 4, 25.) But Defendants fail to cite a single
case supporting that argument. And I/P Engine is not aware of any court ever having ruled that a
patentee is obligated, on threat of waiver, to present alternative non-laches and laches damages
claims at trial.
Defendants’ unsupported position is wrong for three reasons. First, it misapprehends the
law of laches. Because laches is an affirmative defense, Defendants always bore the burden of
proof. A.C. Aukerman Co. v. R.L. Chaides Constr. Co., 960 F.2d 1020, 1038-39 (Fed. Cir.
1992). Thus, there is no obligation for a patentee to introduce alternative damages evidence
during its case-in-chief.
Second, laches is an equitable issue for the court, not the jury. Because laches is an
equitable defense, it should not be implemented in a manner that affects the jury’s deliberations.
Humanscale Corp. v. CompX Intern. Inc., No. 09-86, 2010 WL 3222411, *1 and *8-*13 (E.D.
Va. Aug. 16, 2010) (laches should be applied post-verdict to limit damages); Amado v. Microsoft
Corporation, No. 03-242, 2008 WL 8641264, *1 (C.D. Cal Dec. 4, 2008) (adjusting jury verdict
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based upon laches). Because the Court ruled at the pre-trial conference that it would not present
laches to the jury, I/P Engine understood that laches would be decided by the Court after the jury
verdict, and then only if necessary. (D.I. 839 ¶ 2 (Rudenko Dec.); D.I. 840 ¶ 2 (Sherwood Dec.);
D.I. 841 ¶ 2 (Brothers Dec.), D.I. 842 ¶ 2 (Snow Dec.)). I/P Engine’s understanding was not
unreasonable. Indeed, in its laches ruling, the Court acknowledged that the timing of its ruling
was unusual. (D.I. 800, at 1 (“[L]aches is an equitable defense to be resolved as to both fact and
law by the Court, [thus,] a Rule 50(a) motion is inappropriate from either party. In the end,
however, the Court will not place form over substance” and “the Court notes that Defendants
made no … Rule 50(a) motion regarding laches.”) The timing of the decision was unusual
because courts commonly handle laches in patent cases either before trial or after trial. See, e.g.,
Humanscale, 2010 WL 3222411, *1 (jury verdict covered damages period beginning six years
prior to filing; court then denied laches); Amado, 2008 WL 8641264, *1 (jury verdict covered
damages period beginning six years prior to filing; court found laches and altered jury award to
reflect laches ruling); Engineered Products Co. v. Donaldson Co., 330 F. Supp. 2d 1013,1017-
18 (N.D. Iowa 2004) (full time period tried to jury; court considered laches post-verdict), rev’d
on other grounds, 147 Fed. Appx. 979 (Fed. Cir. 2005); Imonex Services, Inc. v. W.H.
Munzprufer Deitmar, Trenner G.m.b.H., No. 01-174, 2003 WL 26095807, *1 (E.D. Tex. Sept.
25, 2003) (considering laches post-verdict).
Third, a requirement that a patentee submit two different and competing damage cases to
the jury would create needless jury confusion. Defendants do not explain how a jury would
reconcile these two different damage theories, or how the Court would instruct the jury to
disregard laches damages evidence if the Court did not rule prior to verdict. This Court should
decline Defendants’ invitation to err.
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VI. CONCLUSION
For all the reasons discussed above and in its moving papers, I/P Engine respectfully
requests that the Court grant its motion for a new trial on the dollar amount of past damages.
Dated: February 15, 2013 By: /s/ Jeffrey K. Sherwood
Donald C. Schultz (Virginia Bar No. 30531)
W. Ryan Snow (Virginia Bar No. 47423)
CRENSHAW, WARE & MARTIN PLC
150 West Main Street
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 623-3000
Facsimile: (757) 623-5735
Jeffrey K. Sherwood (Virginia Bar No. 19222)
Frank C. Cimino, Jr.
Kenneth W. Brothers
Dawn Rudenko Albert
Charles J. Monterio, Jr.
DICKSTEIN SHAPIRO LLP
1825 Eye Street, NW
Washington, DC 20006
Telephone: (202) 420-2200
Facsimile: (202) 420-2201
Counsel for Plaintiff I/P Engine, Inc.
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CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
I hereby certify that on February 15, 2013, the foregoing PLAINTIFF I/P ENGINE’S
REPLY IN SUPPORT OF ITS MOTION FOR A NEW TRIAL ON THE DOLLAR
AMOUNT OF PAST DAMAGES, was served via the Court’s CM/ECF system on the
following:
Stephen Edward Noona
Kaufman & Canoles, P.C.
150 W Main St
Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510
senoona@kaufcan.com
David Bilsker
David Perlson
Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan LLP
50 California Street, 22nd Floor
San Francisco, CA 94111
davidbilsker@quinnemanuel.com
davidperlson@quinnemanuel.com
Robert L. Burns
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner, LLP
Two Freedom Square
11955 Freedom Drive
Reston, VA 20190
robert.burns@finnegan.com
Cortney S. Alexander
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner, LLP
3500 SunTrust Plaza
303 Peachtree Street, NE
Atlanta, GA 94111
cortney.alexander@finnegan.com
/s/ Jeffrey K. Sherwood
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doc 895 DECLARATION OF HOWARD CHEN IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANTS’ REPLY BRIEFS IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANTS’ RENEWED MOTIONS FOR JUDGMENT AS A MATTER OF LAW
_______________________________
01980.51928/5171513.1 1
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA
NORFOLK DIVISION
I/P ENGINE, INC.
Plaintiff,
v.
AOL, INC., et al.,
Defendants.
Civil Action No. 2:11-cv-512
DECLARATION OF HOWARD CHEN IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANTS’ REPLY
BRIEFS IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANTS’ RENEWED MOTIONS FOR JUDGMENT
AS A MATTER OF LAW
I, Howard Chen, declare as follows:
1. I am an attorney in the law firm of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan, LLP and
am counsel for Defendants Google Inc., IAC Search & Media, Inc., Gannett Co., Inc., AOL, Inc.
and Target Corp. in the above-captioned case. I provide this declaration upon personal
knowledge and, if called upon as a witness, would testify competently as to the matters recited
herein.
2. Attached hereto as Exhibit 1 is a true and correct copy of the transcript of the
deposition testimony of AOL’s 30(b)(6) witness Mr. Hickernell played in open court during the
jury trial in the above-captioned matter.
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3. Attached hereto as Exhibit 2 is a true and correct copy of selected portions of the
Advance Pretrial Order served on the Court on October 5, 2012.
I declare under penalty of perjury of the laws of the United States that the foregoing is
true and correct.
Dated: February 15, 2013
Howard Chen
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DATED: February 15, 2013 /s/ Stephen E. Noona
Stephen E. Noona
Virginia State Bar No. 25367
KAUFMAN & CANOLES, P.C.
150 West Main Street, Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 624.3000
Facsimile: (757) 624.3169
senoona@kaufcan.com
David A. Perlson
David Bilsker
QUINN EMANUEL URQUHART &
SULLIVAN, LLP
50 California Street, 22nd Floor
San Francisco, California 94111
Telephone: (415) 875-6600
Facsimile: (415) 875-6700
davidbilsker@quinnemanuel.com
davidperlson@quinnemanuel.com
Counsel for Google Inc., Target Corporation,
IAC Search & Media, Inc., and Gannett Co., Inc.
/s/ Stephen E. Noona
Stephen E. Noona
Virginia State Bar No. 25367
KAUFMAN & CANOLES, P.C.
150 W. Main Street, Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 624-3000
Facsimile: (757) 624-3169
Robert L. Burns
FINNEGAN, HENDERSON, FARABOW, GARRETT &
DUNNER, LLP
Two Freedom Square
11955 Freedom Drive
Reston, VA 20190
Telephone: (571) 203-2700
Facsimile: (202) 408-4400
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Cortney S. Alexander
FINNEGAN, HENDERSON, FARABOW, GARRETT &
DUNNER, LLP
3500 SunTrust Plaza
303 Peachtree Street, NE
Atlanta, GA 94111
Telephone: (404) 653-6400
Facsimile: (415) 653-6444
Counsel for Defendant AOL, Inc.
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CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
I hereby certify that on February 15, 2013, I will electronically file the foregoing with the
Clerk of Court using the CM/ECF system, which will send a notification of such filing (NEF) to
the following:
Jeffrey K. Sherwood
Kenneth W. Brothers
DICKSTEIN SHAPIRO LLP
1825 Eye Street NW
Washington, DC 20006
Telephone: (202) 420-2200
Facsimile: (202) 420-2201
sherwoodj@dicksteinshapiro.com
brothersk@dicksteinshapiro.com
Donald C. Schultz
W. Ryan Snow
Steven Stancliff
CRENSHAW, WARE & MARTIN, P.L.C.
150 West Main Street, Suite 1500
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 623-3000
Facsimile: (757) 623-5735
dschultz@cwm-law.cm
wrsnow@cwm-law.com
sstancliff@cwm-law.com
Counsel for Plaintiff, I/P Engine, Inc.
/s/ Stephen E. Noona
Stephen E. Noona
Virginia State Bar No. 25367
KAUFMAN & CANOLES, P.C.
150 West Main Street, Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 624.3000
Facsimile: (757) 624.3169
senoona@kaufcan.com
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Hickernell, Robert (Vol. 01) - 07/10/2012 1 C L I P ( R U N N I N G 00:10:13.000)
Mr. Hickernell, can you state your full name ...
Hickernell Combined 15 SEGMENTS (RUNNING 00:10:13.000)
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12 Q. Mr. Hickernell, can you state your full name
13 for the record, please?
14 A. Robert Richard Hickernell, Jr.
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19 Q. Okay. Who is your current employer?
20 A. AOL.
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19 Q. And what is your current position?
20 A. Current, I'm senior director, product
21 management.
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11 Q. Have you heard of Search Marketplace?
12 A. AOL Search Marketplace?
13 Q. Yes.
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. And what is that?
16 A. That is a white label version of Google
17 AdWords that's, that was built for AOL by Google,
18 hosted by Google, maintained and managed by Google that
19 allows AOL sales teams to sell search advertising to
20 AOL advertising clients, and that would, those
21 advertisements would show up specifically on AOL
22 Search.
00019:01 Q. What does white label mean?
02 A. To me -- it could mean different things to
03 different people. To me it means taking someone's
04 product as is and putting your brand on it and using
05 that so that you're branding it as your own but it --
06 you're not -- you don't -- you're not maintaining or
07 it's not your product.
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16 Q. Okay. When did AOL start using AOL Search
17 Marketplace?
18 A. I believe it was in the 2006 time frame.
19 Q. And does AOL still use AOL Search
20 Marketplace?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. Do you know what AdSense for Search is?
00021:01 A. Yes.
02 Q. And what is that generally?
03 A. AdSense for Search is Google's AdSense
04 product that is specifically targeting advertisements
05 against search terms that an end user is inputting into
06 search box.
07 Q. And has AOL ever used AdSense for Search?
08 A. Yes.
09 Q. Okay. And when did AOL start using it?
10 A. I believe that was in, started in the 2002,
11 maybe late 2002 time frame.
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12 Q. Okay. Does AOL still use AdSense for Search?
13 A. Yes.
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14 product generally. So let me try that again. Do you
15 understand Google to be using the same ad selection and
16 ranking system for AOL Search Marketplace that it uses
17 for itself?
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19 THE WITNESS: I -- I -- I'm not a hundred
20 percent sure how to answer because I still think that
21 they're -- I'm not understanding the question very
22 well.
00046:01 BY MR. JACOBS:
02 Q. Okay. Do you understand --
03 A. AOL Search Marketplace is, is the same as
04 AdWords, just branded differently. So whatever is in
05 the behind the scenes in AdWords or, is in AOL Search
06 Marketplace.
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11 Q. How do you know that AOL Search Marketplace
12 is the same as AdWords just branded differently?
13 A. That's what Google has, has told us.
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14 Q. Do you know if they use the same ranking
15 algorithm?
16 A. I don't know anything inside of AdWords or
17 AOL Search Marketplace. So whatever they tell me, if
18 they tell me you're getting the same thing in AOL
19 Search Marketplace as in AdWords, I don't know if that
20 means that you're getting the same algorithm. I
21 would -- to the best of my knowledge it is yes, but I
22 don't know any -- I don't have any in-, knowledge of
00047:01 what is, what that algorithm is or how it's built.
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17 Q. Yes. Do you understand Google to be using
18 the same ad selection and ranking system to power
19 AdSense for Search as is used on their own Google
20 websites?
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22 THE WITNESS: I -- I don't know what Google
00048:01 uses for its own website. I don't know if they use
02 AdSense for Search, the same AdSense for Search as they
03 make available to website publishers like AOL. That I
04 don't know.
05 BY MR. JACOBS:
06 Q. Okay. Do you know of any differences between
07 the system Google uses to display ads on its search
08 pages and the system it provides to AOL?
09 A. I don't know what Google uses to display ads
10 on its own, so I don't know of any differences.
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10 Q. Okay. I'd like you to turn your attention to
11 the page bearing Bates stamp AOL 01202786, also page 37
12 of the document.
13 A. Okay.
14 Q. It says: Google measures relevance through
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15 quality score, in the second full paragraph, and the
16 quality score is based on several factors. Do you see
17 that?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Okay. All right. The first factor is a
20 keywords clickthrough rate. What does that mean to
21 you?
22 A. To me that would be the, in this context a
00089:01 keywords clickthrough rate. The, the number of clicks
02 on ads that are associated with this keyword divided by
03 the number of impressions shown or the number of times
04 the ad was shown.
05 Q. The second factor is ad text relevance. What
06 does this mean?
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09 Q. To you?
10 A. To me this would mean the, how well the, the
11 ad text matches or the meaning matches the keyword. I
12 don't know how to define relevance without using the
13 word relevance. I'm trying to do that, not use the
14 word relevance to define it.
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22 Q. So is the document's description here on page
00091:01 37 bearing Bates stamp AOL-01202786, is that consistent
02 with your understanding of how quality score works?
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08 A. The page as a whole?
09 Q. Mm-hmm.
10 A. Let me read the rest, look at the rest of the
11 page here.
12 Q. Sure.
13 A. Yes. The full page is, is my base, is my
14 understanding of how that works.
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA
NORFOLK DIVISION
I/P ENGINE, INC.
Plaintiff,
v.
AOL, INC., et al.,
Defendants.
Civil Action No. 2:11-cv-512
ORDER ON FINAL PRETRIAL CONFERENCE
Plaintiff I/P Engine, Inc. (“Plaintiff”) and Defendants AOL Inc., Google Inc., IAC
Search & Media, Inc., Gannett Co., Inc., and Target Corporation (collectively, “Defendants”)
submit the following proposed final pretrial order pursuant to the Court’s Order of February 15,
2012, the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, and the Local Rules of this Court and the Case
Management Orders, previously entered herein. The parties having stipulated as to various
matters identified herein and having identified exhibits, witnesses, factual contentions and triable
issues, it is hereby ORDERED as follows:
I. STIPULATION OF UNDISPUTED FACTS
The parties agree that the following facts are undisputed for purposes of this litigation:
1. U.S. Patent No. 6,314,420 (“the ‘420 patent”) is entitled “Collaborative/Adaptive
Search Engine” and issued on November 6, 2001.
2. The application that issued as the ‘420 patent was filed on December 3, 1998.
3. Claims 10, 14, 15, 25, 27, and 28 of the ‘420 patent are asserted.
4. Claims 1, 5, 6, 21, 22, 26, 28 and 38 of the ‘664 patent are asserted.
5. U.S. Patent No. 6,775,664 (“the ‘664 patent”) is entitled “Information Filter
System and Method for Integrated Content-Based and Collaborative/Adaptive
Feedback Queries” and issued on August 10, 2004.
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10. Defendants reserve the right to include additional contentions and disputed issues
of fact and law based on (i) other motions or procedural or substantive issues that may arise
between the date of this document and (a) the pre-trial conference and (b) trial.
V. TRIABLE ISSUES
A. The Triable Issues As Contended By Plaintiff
1. Whether Defendants infringe directly and/or indirectly claims 10, 14, 15, 25, 27
and 28 of the ‘420 patent by making, using, selling or offering for sale in the United States
Google’s AdWords, AdSense for Search, and AdSense for Mobile Search, and AOL Search
Marketplace.
2. Whether Defendants’ infringement of the ‘420 patent has been and continues to
be willful at least since the filing of the present litigation.
3. Whether I/P Engine has suffered and will continue to suffer damages in an
amount to be determined at trial as a direct and proximate result of Defendants’ infringement
of the ‘420 patent.
4. Whether Defendants’ infringe directly and/or indirectly claims 1, 5, 6, 21, 22, 26,
28 and 38 of the ‘664 patent by making, using, selling or offering for sale in the United Sates,
Google’s AdWords, AdSense for Search, and AdSense for Mobile Search, and AOL Search
Marketplace.
5. Whether Defendants’ infringement of the ‘664 patent has been and continues to
be willful at least since the filing of the present litigation.
6. Whether I/P Engine has suffered and will continue to suffer damages in an
amount to be determined at trial as a direct and proximate result of Defendants’ infringement
of the ‘664 patent.
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7. Whether this is an exceptional case such that I/P Engine is entitled to receive
enhanced damages and/or attorneys’ fees.
8. Whether claims 10, 14, 15, 25, 27 and 28 of the ‘420 patent and claims 1, 5, 6,
21, 22, 26, 28 and 38 of the ‘664 patent are anticipated by, or obvious in light of, the prior art
under 35 U.S.C. §§ 102 and 103.
9. Defendants are requesting a separate evidentiary hearing with the Court on the
equitable issue of laches prior to trial. I/P Engine believes that any such hearing should
occur after trial. The parties already extensively briefed this issue through summary
judgment. The Court denied Defendants’ summary judgment motion on this issue.
B. The Triable Issues As Contended By Defendants
1. Whether Defendants infringe any of the asserted claims of the '420 patent, listed
below:
a. Claim 10
b. Claim 14
c. Claim 15
d. Claim 25
e. Claim 27
f. Claim 28
2. Whether Defendants infringe any of the asserted claims of the '664 patent, listed
below:
a. Claim 1
b. Claim 5
c. Claim 6
d. Claim 21
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA
NORFOLK DIVISION
I/P ENGINE, INC.
Plaintiff,
v.
AOL, INC., et al.,
Defendants.
Civil Action No. 2:11-cv-512
REPLY IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANTS’ RENEWED MOTION FOR JUDGMENT AS A
MATTER OF LAW ON DAMAGES OR A NEW TRIAL
As discussed in Defendants’ motion, I/P Engine presented no evidence of a royalty base
for the appropriate damages period. The single demonstrative exhibit that I/P Engine relied on
during closing arguments did not come close to satisfying its burden of proof. In response, I/P
Engine agrees that its demonstrative exhibit “has nothing to do with a royalty base” (Opp., 6) and
admits “that a specific damages number for the shortened period was not in evidence” (id., 10).
Thus, there is no question that I/P Engine failed to meet its burden on damages.
The principal argument in I/P Engine’s opposition is not that it introduced evidence of a
royalty base for the appropriate period, but the novel proposition that the remedy for its complete
failure of proof is a new trial, not entry of judgment as a matter of law. But numerous cases hold
that the Court is well within its discretion to enter judgment of no or nominal damages where a
patentee fails to meet its burden of proof, as I/P Engine has done in this case. See, e.g.,
Gustafson, Inc. v. Intersystems Indus. Prods., Inc., 897 F.2d 508, 509 (Fed. Cir. 1990) (affirming
award of zero damages where none were proven by patentee). Similarly, it is long established
that inadmissible evidence, such as relied on by I/P Engine, does not satisfy a plaintiff’s burden
of proof. Weisgram v. Marley Co., 528 U.S. 440, 456 (2000). Judgment as a matter of law is
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especially appropriate here because I/P Engine was on notice of Defendants’ challenges to its
claim for pre-complaint damages and the numerous flaws its expert’s damages opinions long
before trial, yet made no effort to introduce evidence of a post-complaint royalty base or correct
its expert’s faulty analysis of damages. And the Court already rejected I/P Engine’s argument
that a new trial was not necessary to correct any injustice when it denied the motion for a new
trial on laches. (D.N. 884.)
I. I/P ENGINE FAILS TO CITE ANY EVIDENCE OF A ROYALTY BASE FOR
THE POST-COMPLAINT PERIOD
In light of the Court’s ruling on laches, I/P Engine bore the burden of proving the amount
of damages it incurred, limited solely to the post-complaint period. See A.C. Aukerman Co. v.
R.L. Chaides Constr. Co., 960 F.2d 1020, 1040-41 (Fed. Cir. 1992) (en banc). To make this
showing, I/P Engine was required to introduce evidence of a royalty base of revenue accrued
solely after the filing of the complaint. In response to Defendants’ motion for judgment as a
matter of law, however, I/P Engine concedes that the demonstrative exhibit, PDX-441, it
presented to the jury during closing arguments did not meet this burden because it “has nothing
to do with a royalty base” (Opp., 6) and is therefore not evidence of post-complaint damages.1
The only evidence I/P Engine cites (though only in a footnote) that it contends satisfies
its burden of proving a royalty base is evidence of the Defendants’ aggregated revenue that
spanned both the pre- and post-complaint periods. (Id., 6 n.5 (citing Trial Tr., 833-46).) But
1 As described in Defendants’ motion, I/P Engine encouraged the jury to rely on this
demonstrative as a measure of damages against Google, even though the demonstrative
aggregated claimed damages against all Defendants. (Motion, 13.) I/P Engine contends that any
challenge to its use of the demonstrative during closing arguments is waived by Defendants’
failure to object. However, I/P Engine’s misrepresentations to the jury regarding this
demonstrative, instead of relying on admitted evidence in the record, merely highlights its failure
of proof on the royalty base. Further, Defendants objected that this demonstrative was not
substantive evidence that the jury could rely on. (Trial Tr., 1954, 1965-66.)
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there is simply no evidence in the record from which the jury could take these aggregate numbers
and determine the Defendants’ revenue for the post-complaint period, much less attempt any
apportionment of those revenues.
Rather than cite admitted evidence of a royalty base for the post-complaint period, I/P
Engine argues that it should have been allowed to introduce quarterly reports for all of AdWords
revenue. (Opp., 6.) According to I/P Engine, the jury could have used those total revenue
figures to calculate damages. This argument fails on at least two grounds.
First, total AdWords revenue is not evidence of a royalty base because it is not
apportioned. Even I/P Engine’s damages expert, Dr. Becker, testified that it was necessary to
apportion Defendants’ AdWords revenue to determine an appropriate royalty base. (Trial Tr.,
799, 819-20, 826; D.N. 870-1.) The jury, therefore, could not have relied on total AdWords
revenue—even limited to revenue generated after the filing of the complaint—as a proper royalty
base. See Cornell University v. Hewlett-Packard Co., 609 F. Supp. 2d 279, 287 (N.D.N.Y. 2009)
(Federal Circuit Chief Judge Rader, sitting by designation) (holding that “no reasonable jury could
have relied on” evidence of a royalty base that was not properly apportioned).
Second, I/P Engine never even attempted to introduce evidence of an apportioned
quarterly royalty base. I/P Engine was never precluded from introducing evidence of an
apportioned royalty base by quarter or any other timeframe. It simply chose not to do so. I/P
Engine’s argument is merely an after-the-fact attempt to explain its failure of proof. This is
grounds for judgment as a matter of law on past damages, not a new trial.
II. I/P ENGINE DID NOT MEET ITS BURDEN OF INTRODUCING EVIDENCE OF
AN APPORTIONED ROYALTY BASE
In addition to its failure of proof on a royalty base for the appropriate post-complaint
period, I/P Engine failed to introduce any evidence apportioning the royalty base evidence that it
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did introduce (for the wrong period) to reflect the value of the allegedly patented versus unpatented
features of the accused systems, as it was required to do. Accordingly, I/P Engine’s proffered
evidence of a royalty base covering the entire pretrial period should not have been admitted, and
judgment as a matter of law is warranted for this additional reason.
I/P Engine does not argue or point to any admitted evidence that the entire value of the
SmartAds system is attributable to the patents-in-suit. Nor does it contend that it introduced
evidence attempting to apportion the incremental value of the allegedly patented technology.
Instead, I/P Engine argues that because it did not use all of Google’s search advertising revenue as
a royalty base, and instead used the revenue improvement it contended was attributable to
SmartAds, it had apportioned the royalty base well enough. Yet Dr. Becker admitted that “the
SmartAds system that’s accused in this case includes a lot more than just the technology that’s
accused of infringement.” (Trial Tr., 918.) Contrary to I/P Engine’s argument, there is no
authority to support I/P Engine’s argument that so long as a damages expert performs some
apportionment, his testimony is admissible. As explained in Defendants’ opening brief (Motion,
18-19), Federal Circuit Chief Judge Rader rejected this same argument when sitting by designation
in Cornell. 609 F. Supp. 2d at 285 (granting judgment as a matter of law where patentee “simply
stepped one rung down the [defendant’s] revenue ladder from servers and workstations to the next
most expensive processor-incorporating product without offering any evidence to show a
connection between consumer demand for that product and the patented invention”).
Contrary to I/P Engine’s argument, neither LaserDynamics, Inc. v. Quanta Computer, Inc.,
694 F.3d 51 (Fed. Cir. 2012), or Uniloc USA, Inc. v. Microsoft Corp., 632 F.3d 1292 (Fed. Cir.
2011), hold that an expert royalty base opinion is admissible so long as the expert performs some
apportionment. Instead, LaserDynamics held that a plaintiff asserting a patent on an improvement
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to an optical disk drive could not rely on revenue from the sale of an entire computer (including the
disk drive) as the royalty base. 649 F.3d at 68-69. Similarly, the Court in Uniloc stated that it is
improper to use revenue from a larger product or system as a royalty base when the patent covers
“but a very small component.” 632 F.3d at 1320. Here, it is undisputed that the accused
functionality is only a small part of the overall SmartAds system. Thus, as in LaserDynamics and
Uniloc, I/P Engine must apportion the royalty base correctly to account for the allegedly patented
versus unpatented features of SmartAds. By only performing a partial apportionment, I/P Engine’s
royalty base is overinflated when compared to the actual value of the patents-in-suit.
I/P Engine exacerbated this error when it argued that the 3.5% royalty rate was
sufficiently small to account for its failure to correctly apportion the royalty base. I/P Engine
contends that Dr. Becker did not agree that he adjusted his royalty rate in light of the lack of
precision in his apportionment opinion. (Opp., 23.) But I/P Engine made this argument to the
jury during its closing. (Motion, 18 (quoting Trial Tr., 2009).) By arguing that any lack of
precision in its apportionment method was acceptable in light of a sufficiently small royalty rate,
I/P Engine did exactly what the Court in both LaserDynamics and Uniloc explicitly told
patentees not to do. LaserDynamics, 694 F.3d at 69; Uniloc, 632 F.3d at 1319-20.
Finally, I/P Engine argues that “if Defendants believed Dr. Becker’s apportionment was
overinflated, they could have presented their own apportionment to the jury.” (Opp., 24.) But it
is not Defendants’ burden to prove damages; it is I/P Engine’s burden. And as LaserDynamics
explains, difficulties in apportioning the royalty base weigh strongly in favor of measuring
damages in the form of a lump sum, as Defendants have consistently argued throughout this
case. 694 F.3d at 70.
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III. I/P ENGINE CITES NO EVIDENCE OF INFRINGEMENT PRIOR TO 2010
As stated in Defendants’ motion, the date of the hypothetical negotiation must be based
on the date of first alleged infringement. (Motion, 19-22.) At trial, I/P Engine relied on the use
of four specific templates to prove infringement, none of which were in use prior to 2010, much
less in 2004. (Id., 20-21.) I/P Engine does not dispute this in its opposition or present any
evidence that these templates were in use prior to 2010. Nor does it dispute, as its expert
testified, that many templates in SmartAds do not infringe. (See Trial Tr., 694-95.) Thus, there
is no evidence to support a 2004 date for the hypothetical negotiation, as I/P Engine contends.
It is no answer for I/P Engine to argue that Dr. Becker “must presume infringement.”
(Opp., 14.) Although Dr. Becker is not required to perform an infringement analysis himself,
there must be support in the record for the assumptions that underlie his opinion, including the
date of first infringement. Basile Baumann Prost Cole & Assocs., Inc. v. BBP & Assocs. LLC,
No. WDQ-11-2478, 2012 WL 3115867, at *4 (D. Md. July 25, 2012) (“But ‘an expert’s opinion,
where based on assumed facts, must find some support for those assumptions in the record.’”)
(quoting McLean v. 988011 Ontario, Ltd., 224 F.3d 797, 801 (6th Cir. 2000)). I/P Engine fails to
cite any evidence of infringement prior to 2010, much less in 2004.
The only evidence I/P Engine cites in an attempt to support an earlier date for the
hypothetical negotiation is conclusory testimony from its technical expert, Dr. Frieder. (Opp., 15
(citing Trial Tr., 592-600).) Dr. Frieder testified that he had looked at various documents dated
earlier than 2010 and concluded “basically they all matched.” (Trial Tr., 592-93.) Those
documents, however, describe SmartAds in only the most general terms. (See, e.g., id., 594
(document is a “high-level description”); id. (document “basically talk[s] about a Quality
Score”).) None of them identify any pre-2010 template that allegedly corresponds to the accused
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templates in the 2010 version of SmartAds. I/P Engine has, therefore, failed to meet its burden
of establishing a date of first alleged infringement prior to 2010.
It is also no answer to argue, as I/P Engine does, that Defendants did not present evidence
of an alternative date for the hypothetical negotiation. It is not Defendants’ burden to prove
either infringement or damages. Nor is I/P Engine correct when it contends that either
Defendants or their damages expert argued for a 2004 date of first infringement. Defendants’
damages expert, Dr. Ugone, testified that he “accepted [Dr. Becker’s assumption of a 2004 date]
for purposes of this discussion”. (Id., 1580.) The fact that Dr. Ugone assumed Dr. Becker’s
2004 date of the hypothetical negotiation for purposes of his own analysis is not substantial
evidence of infringement in 2004. Defendants are therefore entitled to judgment as a matter of
law on the date of the hypothetical negotiation.
IV. I/P ENGINE CITES NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT A RUNNING ROYALTY
I/P Engine also fails to support its contention that the hypothetical negotiation would
have resulted in a running royalty. First, I/P Engine cites generalized testimony describing
theoretical advantages that a running royalty may offer under some circumstances. (Opp., 17
(citing Trial Tr., 772).) Such testimony, without any discernible link to the particular facts in this
case, does not come close to the substantial evidence necessary to defeat judgment as a matter of
law here. See Uniloc, 632 F.3d at 1315 (“To properly carry this burden, the patentee must
‘sufficiently [tie the expert testimony on damages] to the facts of the case.’”) (quoting Daubert v.
Merrell Dow Pharm., Inc., 509 U.S. 579, 591 (1993)). Second, I/P Engine cites licenses to the
Overture patents. But for the reasons stated in Defendants’ motion, those agreements are not
comparable and do not involve any party to the hypothetical negotiation in this case. (Motion,
28-29.) Third, I/P Engine cites testimony that Google had licensed the Overture patents. But
there is no evidence in the record that the Google-Overture agreement was for a running royalty.
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Indeed, the facts are to the contrary. Although not admitted at trial, the agreement between
Overture and Google was for a lump-sum payment of stock. (D.N. 468-4, ¶ 155.) Fourth, I/P
Engine cites evidence that Google lacked a formal licensing policy. But the lack of a formal
policy is not substantial evidence showing that Google would have agreed to a running royalty in
this case. Dr. Becker in fact agreed that Google had a preference for lump sum royalties. (Trial
Tr., 885.) Fifth, I/P Engine cites testimony that Lycos had a slight preference for a running
royalty in 2007. (Id., 1683.) But I/P Engine failed to cite testimony that, prior to that date,
Lycos had no such preference. (Id., 1749-50.) Therefore, none of this evidence supports a
running royalty. And without substantial evidence to support the jury’s verdict on this issue,
judgment as a matter of law is warranted for this additional reason.
V. I/P ENGINE FAILS TO IDENTIFY ADMISSIBLE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT A
ROYALTY RATE
I/P Engine argues that whether Dr. Becker’s testimony was sufficient to support the
alleged royalty rate was simply an issue of credibility for the jury. (Opp., 18-21.) For that to be
the case, however, Dr. Becker’s opinion must first meet the Federal Circuit’s reliability standards
for the admissibility of expert damages testimony. Here, numerous errors regarding Dr. Becker’s
analysis of the applicable royalty rate rendered his testimony unreliable and inadmissible,
including: (1) he gave no weight to the sale price of the patents, (2) the Overture licenses were
not entered into near the correct hypothetical negotiation date in 2010; (3) he performed no
comparison of the scope of the Overture patent portfolio with the patents-in-suit; (4) the parties
to the Overture agreements were in vastly different bargaining positions than the parties to the
hypothetical negotiation; (5) the Overture patents were well-known in the industry, unlike the
patents-in-suit; and (6) I/P Engine’s technical expert could only testify that the Overture patents
were comparable “in a general sense.”
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In response, I/P Engine argues that both the Overture patents and the patents-in-suit relate
generally to “search advertising.” (Opp., 19.) This tenuous link, however, does not allow an
expert to ignore all other evidence in the record, including prior transactions involving the actual
patents-in-suit. LaserDynamics, 694 F.3d at 79-80 (noting importance of “[a]ctual licenses to the
patents-in-suit”); ResQNet.com, Inc. v. Lansa, Inc., 594 F.3d 860, 872 (Fed. Cir. 2010) (“most
reliable license in this record” was license to the patent in suit); Integra LifeSciences I, Ltd. v.
Merck KGaA, 331 F.3d 860, 871 (Fed. Cir. 2003), judgment vacated on other grounds, 545 U.S.
193 (2005) (damages award vacated where inconsistent with sale price of company owning the
patent). Otherwise a patentee would be free to cherry pick any “search advertising” related
license involving different patents and different parties and argue for a royalty rate completely
divorced from actual transactions involving the patents-in-suit and the parties to the hypothetical
negotiation.2 Simply put, an expert may not ignore the most relevant evidence and base his
entire opinion on agreements that are only remotely related, if at all, to the circumstances
surrounding the hypothetical negotiation at issue in this case.
I/P Engine argues that Dr. Becker “acknowledged” and “considered” the differences
between the Overture agreements and the hypothetical negotiation, but did not find them
significant. (Opp., 20-21.) But the Federal Rules of Evidence do not permit “opinion evidence
that is connected to existing data only by the ipse dixit of the expert.” See Kumho Tire Co. v.
Carmichael, 526 U.S. 137, 157 (1999). It is, therefore, not sufficient for Dr. Becker to
“consider” but ultimately place no importance on evidence, such as transactions involving the
2 I/P Engine does not dispute, for example, that its technical expert, Dr. Frieder, testified
that the Overture patents do not relate to methods for filtering advertisements for relevance,
unlike the patents-in-suit. (Trial Tr., 716-17.) Instead, I/P Engine argues, without explanation,
that this somehow makes the patents-in-suit “better.” (Opp., 20.) Even crediting that position, it
confirms that the Overture licenses are not directed to comparable technology.
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asserted patents, that the Federal Circuit has repeatedly held is among the most relevant evidence
for determining a reasonable royalty as a matter of law. LaserDynamics, 694 F.3d at 79-80;
ResQNet.com, 594 F.3d at 872; Integra LifeSciences, 331 F.3d at 871.
VI. I/P ENGINE’S FAILURE OF PROOF DOES NOT ENTITLE IT TO A “DO
OVER” ON DAMAGES
I/P Engine argues that it is entitled to a new trial— limited solely to the amount of
damages against all Defendants—to fix the numerous errors in its case, despite having full
knowledge before trial of Defendants’ laches defense and their multiple challenges to its
damages theories. Contrary to I/P Engine’s argument, it is neither required nor sensible for the
Court to award I/P Engine a second chance to meet its burden of proof on damages. But to the
extent the Court decides to grant a new trial, it should be on all issues.3
A. Failure of Proof Is Not Grounds For a New Trial.
I/P Engine contends that, even if it failed to introduce evidence of damages—an essential
element of its claim—a new trial, and not judgment as a matter of law, is appropriate. Numerous
decisions hold, however, that where a party fails to provide admissible evidence to support its
damages claim, judgment as a matter of law of no or nominal damages is warranted. See
Designing Health, Inc. v. Collett, 226 F. App’x 976 (Fed. Cir. 2007) (reversing denial of
judgment as a matter of law for failure to prove damages and holding that mandate forecloses a
new trial); Gustafson, 897 F.2d at 509 (affirming award of zero damages where none were
proven by patentee); Devex Corp. v. Gen Motors Corp., 667 F.2d 347, 363 (3d Cir. 1981)
(affirming award of no reasonable royalty damages where record was devoid of evidence of a
royalty); Apple Inc. v. Motorola, Inc., No. 1:11-cv-8540, 2012 WL 2362630, at *1 (N.D. Ill. June
3 I/P Engine falsely states that the parties “agree . . . that a new trial is necessary.”
(Opp., 1.) To the contrary, I/P Engine’s failure of proof warrants judgment as a matter of law.
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7, 2012) (Posner, J., sitting by designation) (granting summary judgment on right to past
damages where patentee failed to present admissible evidence of damages); Apple Inc. v.
Motorola, Inc., 869 F. Supp. 2d 901, 924 (N.D. Ill. 2012) (Posner, J., sitting by designation)
(same); Boston Sci. Corp. v. Johnson & Johnson, 550 F. Supp. 2d 1102, 1120-22 (N.D. Cal.
2008) (denying patentee’s motion for a new trial on damages and ruling that by failing to present
evidence of a reasonable royalty, patentee waived right to damages).
Although there may be instances where a district court may, nevertheless, exercise its
discretion to grant a new trial or recalculate damages on its own,4 this is not such a case. In
Weisgram, 528 U.S. at 456, for example, the Court held that judgment as a matter of law without
a new trial was warranted where “although [plaintiff] was on notice every step of the way that
[defendant] was challenging his experts, he made no attempt to add or substitute other evidence.”
See also id. (“[A] litigant’s failure to buttress its position because of confidence in the strength of
that position is always indulged in at the litigant’s own risk.”) (quoting Lujan v. Nat’l Wildlife
Fed’n, 497 U.S. 871, 897 (1990)). The same is true here. I/P Engine has known since this case’s
inception that its right to pre-complaint damages was in question, and it has been on notice that
its damages theories were being challenged since Defendants served their rebuttal expert report
4 I/P Engine argues that in Cornell, 609 F. Supp. 2d at 292, the district court recalculated
damages after it held that the jury had relied on an improper royalty base. (Opp., 3 n.2.) Cornell
held that the appropriate royalty base was revenue from the sale of the infringing processor, not
the larger CPU brick or even larger server and workstation system. The trial record contained
“evidence of sales data for processors,” and the jury found a royalty rate. Id. at 282-83. Here,
there is no evidence of a royalty base for the post-complaint period in the record. There is,
therefore, no means by which the Court could calculate damages and, indeed, no evidence of
damages whatsoever. Nor would such a judicial weighing of the damages evidence be consistent
with the Seventh Amendment. See Boston Sci., 550 F. Supp. 2d at 1121-22 (defendant has right
to jury determination of damages in patent case).
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on damages and moved prior to trial to exclude Dr. Becker’s testimony.5 Yet it did nothing to
ensure that it met its burden of proof.
I/P Engine’s argument that the Court is required to grant a new trial whenever a patentee
fails to introduce admissible evidence of damages is not only contrary to authority, it would
unnecessarily burden the Court with multiple trials. Here, the failures in I/P Engine’s proof are
of its own making. Having failed to meet its burden on damages in the first trial, there is no
reason why I/P Engine should have another chance to try to prove its case in yet another trial. If
that were the rule, any plaintiff who failed to prove its case would be permitted to try again,
thereby leading to never-ending rounds of litigation. Indeed, I/P Engine’s complete failure of
proof demonstrates that its damages case is unfounded, and therefore, no new trial is warranted.
B. The Laches Ruling Does Not Excuse I/P Engine’s Failure To Introduce
Evidence Of A Royalty Base For The Relevant Period.
Nor does the Court’s ruling on laches justify I/P Engine’s failure of proof or support
granting a new trial on damages. This Court already rejected the argument that there was any
surprise or unfair prejudice in its resolution of laches when it denied I/P Engine’s motion for a
new trial on that issue. (D.N. 884.) In its motion, I/P Engine argued that “multiple procedural
errors” in the Court’s laches ruling warranted a new trial on laches, including the timing and
notice of the Court’s decision to rule. (D.N. 837, 11-16.) The Court has, therefore, already
considered and rejected I/P Engine’s argument that the ruling justifies a new trial on laches. The
5 I/P Engine cites Federal Circuit decisions that hold that a patentee’s expert testimony
on damages was inadmissible and remand for a new trial. (Opp., 3.) Those cases merely
confirm that a court may order a new trial in its discretion. None of them hold that a court must
grant a new trial when a patentee fails to introduce substantial evidence on damages or that
judgment as a matter of law is prohibited. Instead, the authority of the district court to enter
judgment against a patentee who fails to provide admissible evidence in support of damages is
confirmed by numerous decisions, cited above.
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same reasoning warrants denial of I/P Engine’s request for a new trial on the amount of damages
here.
1. There is no “common practice” of allowing a jury to find damages
based on the wrong damages period.
I/P Engine also argues that its failure to introduce evidence of a royalty base justifies a
new trial because of the Court’s procedure for resolving the laches defense. I/P Engine claims
that “the common practice is for the jury to decide the damages due for the full damages period”
and for the Court to later “reduce[] the jury’s damages award to reflect only the post-suit
damages.” (Opp., 8.) The argument not only fails because there is no such common or binding
practice, but also because it is waived.
Any argument that the Court’s procedure was faulty is waived. I/P Engine never sought a
special verdict on pre-complaint and post-complaint damages or apportionment rates for the
appropriate periods that would enable the Court to adjust the damages award according to the
subsequent laches ruling, consistent with the Seventh Amendment. See Markman v. Westview
Instruments, Inc., 517 U.S. 370, 377 (1996) (“[T]here is no dispute that infringement cases today
must be tried to a jury . . . .”); D.N. 699-1. Nor did I/P Engine move before trial to bifurcate
laches from damages or liability.6 At a minimum, I/P Engine’s failure to even suggest this
procedure prior to the Court’s laches ruling demonstrates that a new trial is not necessary to
correct any injustice.
6 Although I/P Engine never requested bifurcation prior to trial, Defendants proposed
bifurcating laches in the parties’ joint October 5, 2012 “Preliminary Final Pretrial Order.”
(Declaration of Howard Chen in Support of Defendants’ Reply Briefs, Ex. 2, ¶ 9.) I/P Engine
took no position on that issue, and instead simply stated that, if the Court granted Defendants’
request, the laches hearing should occur after trial. (Id.) After the pretrial conference,
Defendants withdrew their request for a separate hearing on laches, and I/P Engine stated in
response only that “I/P Engine believes that any issues directed to laches outside [sic] of the
presence of the jury.” (D.N. 719, 18.)
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Further, none of the cases I/P Engine cites support its argument that there is a “common
practice” for resolving laches that the Court did not follow. The cited cases actually refute that
contention. For example, in Humanscale Corp. v. CompX International, Inc., No. 3:09-cv-86,
2010 WL 3222411 (E.D. Va. Aug. 16, 2010), the verdict form asked the jury to find the amount
of damages for the pre-complaint and post-complaint periods separately. Id. at *1 (noting that
the jury found damages separately for the pre-March 2009 period and for the post-March 2009
period); id. at *8 (plaintiff initiated suit against defendant in March 2009). To allow the jury to
make those findings, the patentee presented evidence of a royalty base by quarter for both the
pre-complaint and post-complaint periods. See id. at *19. This is exactly what I/P Engine failed
to do. And, as described above, I/P Engine never requested a verdict form with damages
findings for both the pre- and post-complaint periods as was done in Humanscale. (See D.N.
699-1.) Its alleged reliance on the procedure in Humanscale is, therefore, disingenuous.7
Similarly, in Amado v. Microsoft Corp., No. SA CV 03-242, 2008 WL 8641264, at *1
(C.D. Cal. Dec. 4, 2008), the parties stipulated to the number of infringing products sold. There
was no dispute as to the royalty base, and the court simply applied the jury’s royalty rate of four
cents per unit after it ruled on laches. The opinion does not reflect any dispute as to the propriety
of this procedure. Id. In the present case, however, the correct method of measuring the royalty
base is sharply contested. Even I/P Engine used different apportionment rates for different time
periods. (D.N. 870-1; Trial Tr., 826-27.) Determining post-complaint damages is, therefore, not
a matter of simply applying the jury’s royalty rate to an undisputed royalty base. Instead, it
7 Further, because the jury made separate findings for pre- and post-complaint damages,
the procedure used in Humanscale did not require the Court to make any fact findings to adjust
damages. I/P Engine never proposed such a special verdict form. As a result, unlike in
Humanscale, any adjustment to the jury’s verdict would require the Court resolve disputed issues
of fact related to damages, contrary to the Seventh Amendment.
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would require resolving factual disputes regarding apportionment of the royalty base. I/P Engine
has not explained how the Court could make these findings consistent with the parties’ Seventh
Amendment right to have damages determined by a jury.8
I/P Engine’s argument that a district court must rule on laches in a separate, post-trial
proceeding is also contrary to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. The Court has already
observed that “Rule 52’s advisory committee’s notes . . . ‘authorizes the court to enter judgment
at any time that it can appropriately make a dispositive finding of fact on the evidence.’” (D.N.
800, 2 (emphasis added).) Thus, the Rules themselves refute any contention that the Court must
wait until after trial to rule on laches.
I/P Engine argues that it had no “obligation” to present “alternative damages theories” or
“damages claims under both a non-laches and laches environment.” (Opp., 7.) I/P Engine is, of
course, not “obligated” to present any evidence at trial on any issue. But it was I/P Engine that
bore the burden of proving damages, assumed it would prevail on laches, and chose to submit no
evidence from which the jury could find damages for the appropriate period as part of its trial
strategy to get the biggest numbers it could before the jury. Further, an “alternative damages
theory” was not necessary. I/P Engine could have introduced evidence of Defendants’ monthly
or quarterly revenues—properly apportioned—for both the pre- and post-complaint periods. It
simply chose not to do so. To the extent I/P Engine contends that it was somehow Defendants’
8 The other cases cited by I/P Engine do not even address the appropriate procedure for
determining damages when the defense of laches is pled, and instead, simply rule against the
defendant on laches after trial. See Engineered Prods. Co. v. Donaldson Co., Inc., 330 F. Supp.
2d 1013, 1029 (N.D. Iowa 2004); Imonex Servs., Inc. v. W.H. Munzprufer Deitmar, Trenner
G.m.b.H., 2:01cv174, 2003 WL 26095807, at *1-2 (E.D. Tex. Sept. 25, 2003). Because these
cases do not involve a finding of laches, they do not even address what the appropriate procedure
is in cases where laches is found.
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burden to prove damages for the post-complaint period, that suggestion is unsupported by any
authority.
2. Deficiencies in I/P Engine’s expert reports are not grounds for
denying judgment as a matter of law or granting a new trial.
I/P Engine also complains that it could not have introduced the necessary evidence of a
post-complaint royalty base and damages opinion because its expert, Dr. Becker, did not include
this opinion in his Rule 26 expert report. (Opp., 9.) That I/P Engine failed to satisfy the expert
disclosure requirements of Rule 26 confirms that its request for a new trial should be rejected,
and judgment as a matter of law should be granted. A party cannot reasonably avoid judgment
as a matter of law on its claims by pointing to its own failure to disclose the expert testimony
needed to satisfy its burden of proof. A new trial in these circumstances would leave I/P Engine
in exactly the same place—with a deficient damages report and no relevant expert testimony.
3. I/P Engine could have moved to reopen the record in response to
Defendants’ motion for judgment as a matter of law, but did not.
I/P Engine never sought to reopen the record at trial to introduce additional evidence and
attempt to remedy the failure of proof identified in Defendants’ Rule 50(a) motion for judgment
as a matter of law on damages. (Opp., 9-10.) The purpose of a Rule 50(a) motion is to inform
“the opposing party of the challenge to the sufficiency of the evidence and [to] afford[] a clear
opportunity to provide additional evidence that may be available.” Fed. R. Civ. P. 50(a) advisory
committee’s notes (2006); see also Houck & Sons, Inc. v. Transylvania Cnty., 852 F. Supp. 442,
452 (W.D.N.C. 1993) (purpose of Rule 50(a) is to allow “non-moving party an opportunity to
reopen its case and present additional evidence”). Here, I/P Engine was on notice of the
deficiencies in its proof prior to submission of the case to the jury. But it never sought leave to
introduce additional damages evidence after the Court’s laches ruling.
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I/P Engine does not dispute that it never moved to reopen the record to submit additional
damages evidence. (Motion, 7.) It instead attempts to (again) blame the Court for its failure, this
time by falsely arguing that the Court “made clear that it was not accepting additional testimony”
regarding damages. (Opp., 9.) I/P Engine misrepresents the record. In the portion of the
transcript that I/P Engine cites, the Court rejected I/P Engine’s attempt to submit additional
evidence to rebut laches after the Court had already found in Defendants’ favor. (See id. (citing
Trial Tr., 1868).) I/P Engine never asked for—and the Court never denied—the opportunity to
submit additional evidence on the royalty base. These are two distinct issues. The Court
correctly denied I/P Engine’s request to submit additional evidence on laches because the Court
had already decided the issue. I/P Engine, having lost on laches after being fully heard, was not
entitled to reopen the record and submit additional evidence. (Id.) A motion to reopen the
record in response to a Rule 50(a) motion for judgment as a matter of law, on the other hand, is
intended to remedy deficiencies in proof that an opposing party has pointed out before the judge
grants the motion or the jury is charged.
I/P Engine also faults the Court when it argues that “I/P Engine’s counsel acknowledged
that a specific damages number for the shortened period was not in evidence and asked the Court
for guidance on how to address the situation.” (Opp., 10.) Despite I/P Engine’s admission that
there was no evidence of damages for the appropriate period, the Court gave I/P Engine the
benefit of the doubt and allowed the case to proceed to verdict. The Court is not, however, I/P
Engine’s lawyer and was under no obligation to provide it “guidance” on how to move to reopen
the record or meet its burden of proof. This argument confirms that there was never evidence
from which the jury could find damages for the post-complaint period. That the Court did not
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immediately grant judgment as a matter of law or instruct I/P Engine’s counsel to move to
reopen the record is not grounds for a new trial.
C. If A New Trial Is Granted, It Should Be On All Issues.
If the Court is inclined to grant a new trial, it should not be limited—as I/P Engine
suggests—solely to the amount of damages. Any new trial should encompass liability because
the introduction of Dr. Becker’s testimony was prejudicial to the entire case. Numerous courts
have held that the erroneous admission of evidence that the defendant is a large or wealthy
company poses an impermissible risk of swaying the jury’s liability determination. See U.S. ex
rel. Miller v. Bill Harbert Int’l Const., Inc., 608 F.3d 871, 897-98 (D.C. Cir. 2010); Reilly v.
NatWest Mkts. Group, Inc., 181 F.3d 253, 266 (2d Cir. 1999) (evidence of wealth “generally
inadmissible”); Koufakis v. Carvel, 45 F.2d 892, 902 (2d Cir. 1970) (remarks in closing
concerning defendant’s wealth “can be taken as suggesting that the defendant should respond in
damages because he is rich and the plaintiff is poor” and “are grounds for a new trial”).
I/P Engine argues that it did not introduce evidence of Defendants’ “wealth,” but instead,
introduced evidence of Defendants’ revenue. This attempted distinction is unavailing because
the same risk of prejudice arises from introduction of irrelevant evidence of a defendant’s annual
revenues. In both cases, the large dollar figures create the danger that the jury may
impermissibly conclude that the defendant should be held liable because it has substantial
resources and the patentee is seeking a royalty that is small by comparison. Further, as stated in
Defendants’ motion, evidence of total revenue attributable to SmartAds is not relevant to the
damages analysis. In situations such as this, where the asserted patents do not cover the entire
accused product, the law requires that the royalty base “take into account the fact that the
claimed invention is not the entire system but only a component of that system.” Cornell, 609 F.
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Supp. 2d at 290.9 I/P Engine does not contend that its patents cover more than just a small aspect
of SmartAds, which is itself only one component of Google’s AdWords system. Because the
introduction of evidence regarding Defendants’ total revenues from SmartAds was inherently
prejudicial to the jury’s findings on both liability as well as damages, any new trial should be on
all issues.10
VII. CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons, Defendants respectfully request that the Court grant their
motion for judgment as a matter of law on damages.
DATED: February 15, 2013 /s/ Stephen E. Noona
Stephen E. Noona
Virginia State Bar No. 25367
KAUFMAN & CANOLES, P.C.
150 West Main Street, Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 624.3000
Facsimile: (757) 624.3169
senoona@kaufcan.com
9 I/P Engine cites Carnegie Mellon University v. Marvell Tech. Group, Ltd., No. 09-290,
2012 WL 3679564 (W.D. Pa. Aug. 24, 2012), but that case was decided prior to the Federal
Circuit’s recent decision in LaserDynamics, 694 F.3d at 68, which explicitly criticized and noted
the unfair prejudice when evidence of the defendant’s overall revenues is introduced to the jury.
10 Walker v. Pettit Construction Co., Inc., 605 F.2d 128, 131 (4th Cir. 1979), cited by I/P
Engine is distinguishable. That case specifically notes that the errors at trial were “not so
prejudicial or inflammatory as to cast doubt on the reliability of the jury’s other findings.” Id.
As the cases cited above demonstrate, the improper admission of evidence of a defendant’s
wealth, income, or size risk biasing the jury’s findings on all issues, not merely damages.
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David Bilsker
David A. Perlson
QUINN EMANUEL URQUHART &
SULLIVAN, LLP
50 California Street, 22nd Floor
San Francisco, California 94111
Telephone: (415) 875-6600
Facsimile: (415) 875-6700
davidbilsker@quinnemanuel.com
davidperlson@quinnemanuel.com
Counsel for Google Inc., Target Corporation,
IAC Search & Media, Inc., and
Gannett Co., Inc.
By: /s/ Stephen E. Noona
Stephen E. Noona
Virginia State Bar No. 25367
KAUFMAN & CANOLES, P.C.
150 W. Main Street, Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 624-3000
Facsimile: (757) 624-3169
Robert L. Burns
FINNEGAN, HENDERSON, FARABOW, GARRETT &
DUNNER, LLP
Two Freedom Square
11955 Freedom Drive
Reston, VA 20190
Telephone: (571) 203-2700
Facsimile: (202) 408-4400
Cortney S. Alexander
FINNEGAN, HENDERSON, FARABOW, GARRETT &
DUNNER, LLP
3500 SunTrust Plaza
303 Peachtree Street, NE
Atlanta, GA 94111
Telephone: (404) 653-6400
Facsimile: (415) 653-6444
Counsel for Defendant AOL, Inc.
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CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
I hereby certify that on February 15, 2013, I will electronically file the foregoing with the
Clerk of Court using the CM/ECF system, which will send a notification of such filing (NEF) to
the following:
Jeffrey K. Sherwood
Kenneth W. Brothers
DICKSTEIN SHAPIRO LLP
1825 Eye Street NW
Washington, DC 20006
Telephone: (202) 420-2200
Facsimile: (202) 420-2201
sherwoodj@dicksteinshapiro.com
brothersk@dicksteinshapiro.com
Donald C. Schultz
W. Ryan Snow
Steven Stancliff
CRENSHAW, WARE & MARTIN, P.L.C.
150 West Main Street, Suite 1500
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 623-3000
Facsimile: (757) 623-5735
dschultz@cwm-law.cm
wrsnow@cwm-law.com
sstancliff@cwm-law.com
Counsel for Plaintiff, I/P Engine, Inc.
/s/ Stephen E. Noona
Stephen E. Noona
Virginia State Bar No. 25367
KAUFMAN & CANOLES, P.C.
150 West Main Street, Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 624.3000
Facsimile: (757) 624.3169
senoona@kaufcan.com
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Well, at least options expiry will be behind us for another month. Hopefully we see some really good news from this fairly soon.
Have a great weekend and GLTA
Yes, as long as they get at least 3.5% of 20.9%. That one award alone may not get them there but they have many irons in the fire and a very bright future. Including other possible awards here, 3 zte lawsuits, the Israel venture, Nok patents, etc.
They just need to get past this one hurdle first.
I think I'll post that on Facebook.
"All options expire today!"
I couldn't get your Ken Lang link to work.
I think it works here:
http://www.fastcompany.com/1844439/meet-vringo-cto-ken-lang-mystery-geek-center-google-patent-fight
OK, so we saw that the apparent best time for presenting post trial motions was right at the deadline for them. So that the other side can't do anything about em in the way of countering with another motion.
Do you guys think it's likely the memos will come out the same way for the same reasons? Meaning near the deadline for them.
Motions came out on Dec 18th. Opponents have 11 days I think to provide arguments (via memos). Then another 3 days I think for memo replies (or whatever those are called).
We could maybe get a ruling on Supplemental damages within a week. But the rest we should see in Jan.
But... I doubt we'll see supp damages that soon. As the % rate for future running royalty (RR) in all likelihood plays into the rate for supp damages. I got that from a 'newbie' post on the SteveKim board. So I'm thinking we see supp damages and the RR together... meaning in Jan.
But it's gonna be worth the wait...
Mike, I agree but I think 2-3 months ago there were two ways to look at the Vrng dilution. And Rain just voiced the 'other' view that no one else seemed to be mentioning. I remember it seemed appropriate at the time to at least say it, even if he did sound overly negative. Now we see that the dilution was to become a completely necessary act. But at the time I seem to remember wondering wtf...
Also - Rain rides the trends and day trades his position way more than most longs. And the dilution was def gonna be a negative hit on the PPS. So looking at everything as how will the masses react to this (short term) is very much in his nature.
Another way to look at these motions is that Goog was pushing for a lower royalty via the 3.5% rate of a ridiculous 2.8% apportionment. Now Vrng is pushing for a higher royalty via the higher 7% rate of 20.9% apportionment.
This will probably help to ensure that JJ looks at what was presented during the trial and uses those numbers or better. And not not split the difference between 2.8 and 20.9. I mean I'd love to get the 7% rate but I'm also thinking that maybe this helps to that much more ensure we get AT LEAST 3.5% of 20.9%.
Thanks Red, hey where are the Vrng motions. I thought Cliff had said via phone calls from the forum that he thought both sides would be coming out with 7-8 motions. The deadline is tonight right?
I know right. What's up with that?
Market opens in 17 min and zero PM activity so far...
Thanks JJ, I'm not going to disagree with you. But I do wonder from my lack of experience with judges.
Do judges think like that. Would the average judge hold off ruling on the supp-damages and post them all at the same time... solely because ruling on the supp-damages would give too much away?
Does an average judge care if people read anything into what this ruling might mean for future royalty? Or would the average judge just do the most efficient thing and rule on these earlier motions fairly soon and then the rule on the late ones pretty much all at once.
Just ask'in
Thanks xlt, I always look forward to reading these.
I hold off calling him myself because you've been giving regular updates and I don't want to inundate the man with too many phone calls.
A question for the lawyers (future royalty)
For longs, this all seems to boil down to whether or not the judge will embrace the clerical/calculation error that IP Engine mentions in it's post trial motions. And if he does... what will he do about it in terms of future royalty? I'm sure longs think he will embrace it. But how likely do you think that is? What are the odds you'd give it?
And my question for the lawyers and other legally minded members.
In your well read and professional opinions with the letter of the law and precedence in mind...
If he does embrace it, what exactly is he likely to do about it in terms of future royalty? Please be as specific as you can be.
I'm not looking for the 'he will fix it answer'. If you were just reading about this case with no intention of investing. And you were discussing the probable outcome with colleagues in terms of specific legal actions... what do you think would probably happen? And why?
_______________________________________________________
Examples:
He'll let the jury verdict stand, but knowing there was an error he'll rule for 3.5% of 20.9% future royalty because that was the juty's true intent. In my knowledgeable opinion, most judges would do this.
He'll let the jury verdict stand, but even though he knows there was an error he will still use the jury's monetary award and set an apportioned royalty based on the monetary award. Because judges use jury monetary awards as guidance for royalty rulings. And embracing the mistake or no, he cannot be 1000% sure there was a mistake. In my knowledgeable opinion, most judges would do this.
If the amount of shorting during that period went down by 1.5 to 2 million shares... why do you think it will have gone back up since then? Just wondering the logic.
It had kept going up every period in recent months so I expected it would just keep doing that. But with the recent downturn I'm starting to think that at least some percentage of the shorters don't want to hold through the gamble of the binary event. I don't think I would if I were in their shoes.
OK, you sold me on it. I'm in.
Is the PPS lower because may thought that Vrng would pursue fixing the past damages? But Vrng doesn't appear to be pursuing that?
The Solo post from Investor Village seems to break down why Vrng isn't going down that path.
Just wondering what your thoughts are as to why the PPS is again lower than what longs would have thought / hoped for.
One question guys, I only quickly scanned this docket... but the part about the decimal point error seems only to be mentioned as a reason for why the pre-interest post-interest, and supplemental damages (extra month) should still be ruled in Vrng's favor.
Did Vrng mention the decimal point error... but not push to get past damages fixed? Did I miss something there?
A "power hour" would be nice. Would sure beat the expected drain at the end of the day if it shows up.
Maybe, since peeps are expecting some decent news out by Monday morning. They'd want to get in now.
Motions filed today may not show up on Pacer until after hours.
Institutional ownership is up and that is of course good. But what you wrote reads like only 8,728,199 shares total are held by institutions. 8.7 million out of 'roughly' 70 million 'current' shares. I had hoped for a higher percentage held by institutions by now.
Am I reading that wrong?
Pacer #808 Google docs full text
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtDy3YBYOmgpiRCVdvaHxzdfZ3Htr1WYCnQMJ3DgqVI/edit?pli=1
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA
NORFOLK DIVISION
I/P ENGINE, INC.
Plaintiff,
v.
AOL, INC.,
et al.,
Defendants.
Civil Action No. 2:11-cv-512
UNOPPOSED MOTION AND MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF UNOPPOSED
MOTION TO STAY EXECUTION OF JUDGMENT PENDING DISPOSITION OF A
MOTION
The Defendants AOL Inc. (“AOL”), IAC Search & Media, Inc. (“IAC Search & Media”),
Gannett Co., Inc. (“Gannett”), Target Corporation (“Target”), and Google Inc. (“Google”)
(collectively “Defendants”), by counsel, file this unopposed motion to stay execution of
judgment pursuant to Rule 62(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
On November 21, 2012, the Court entered a Final Judgment. (D.N. 801.) Prior to the
jury’s verdict and the Court’s entry of judgment, Defendants filed several Motions for Judgment
as a Matter of Law pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 50(a). (
See, e.g., D.N. 751, 753, 772, 775.)
Defendants intend to file post-judgment motions with the Court, including renewed Motions for
Judgment as a Matter of Law pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 50(b). Accordingly, pursuant to Fed. R.
Civ. P. 62(b), Defendants file this motion requesting that the Court stay any proceedings to
execute on or enforce the Final Judgment against Defendants pending disposition of all such
motions.
Counsel for Defendants has conferred with counsel for Plaintiff I/P Engine, Inc. (“I/P
Engine”), and I/P Engine does not oppose the relief requested by Defendants.
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WHEREFORE, the Defendants, by counsel, request that this Court enter the proposed
agreed order attached as
Exhibit 1 staying any proceedings to execute on or enforce the Final
Judgment against Defendants pending resolution of any post-judgment motions timely filed in
this case.
DATED: December 3, 2012
/s/ Stephen E. Noona
Stephen E. Noona
Virginia State Bar No. 25367
K
AUFMAN & CANOLES, P.C.
150 West Main Street, Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 624-3000
Facsimile: (757) 624-3169
senoona@kaufcan.com
David Bilsker
David A. Perlson
Q
UINN EMANUEL URQUHART &
S
ULLIVAN, LLP
50 California Street, 22nd Floor
San Francisco, California 94111
Telephone: (415) 875-6600
Facsimile: (415) 875-6700
davidbilsker@quinnemanuel.com
davidperlson@quinnemanuel.com
Counsel for Google Inc., Target Corporation,
IAC Search & Media, Inc., and Gannett Co., Inc.
/s/ Stephen E. Noona
Stephen E. Noona
Virginia State Bar No. 25367
K
AUFMAN & CANOLES, P.C.
150 W. Main Street, Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 624-3000
Facsimile: (757) 624-3169
Robert L. Burns
F
INNEGAN, HENDERSON, FARABOW, GARRETT &
D
UNNER, LLP
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Two Freedom Square
11955 Freedom Drive
Reston, VA 20190
Telephone: (571) 203-2700
Facsimile: (202) 408-4400
Cortney S. Alexander
F
INNEGAN, HENDERSON, FARABOW, GARRETT &
D
UNNER, LLP
3500 SunTrust Plaza
303 Peachtree Street, NE
Atlanta, GA 94111
Telephone: (404) 653-6400
Facsimile: (415) 653-6444
Counsel for Defendant AOL Inc
.
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4
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
I hereby certify that on December 3, 2012, I will electronically file the foregoing with the
Clerk of Court using the CM/ECF system, which will send a notification of such filing (NEF) to
the following:
Donald C. Schultz
W. Ryan Snow
Steven Stancliff
C
RENSHAW, WARE & MARTIN, P.L.C.
150 West Main Street, Suite 1500
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 623-3000
Facsimile: (757) 623-5735
dschultz@cwm-law.cm
wrsnow@cwm-law.com
sstancliff@cwm-law.com
Jeffrey K. Sherwood
Kenneth W. Brothers
D
ICKSTEIN SHAPIRO LLP
1825 Eye Street NW
Washington, DC 20006
Telephone: (202) 420-2200
Facsimile: (202) 420-2201
sherwoodj@dicksteinshapiro.com
brothersk@dicksteinshapiro.com
Counsel for Plaintiff, I/P Engine, Inc.
Stephen E. Noona
Virginia State Bar No. 25367
K
AUFMAN & CANOLES, P.C.
150 W. Main Street, Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510-1665
Telephone: (757) 624-3239
Facsimile: (757) 624-3169
senoona@kaufcan.com
Counsel for AOL Inc., Google, Inc.,
Gannett Co., Inc., Target Corporation and
IAC Search & Media, Inc.
/s/ Stephen E. Noona
Stephen E. Noona
Virginia State Bar No. 25367
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K
AUFMAN & CANOLES, P.C.
150 West Main Street, Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 624-3000
Facsimile: (757) 624-3169
senoona@kaufcan.com
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Exhibit 1
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01980.51928/5077697.2
EXHIBIT 1
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA
NORFOLK DIVISION
I/P ENGINE, INC.
Plaintiff,
v.
AOL INC.,
et al.,
Defendants.
Civil Action No. 2:11-cv-512
[PROPOSED] AGREED ORDER GRANTING UNOPPOSED MOTION TO STAY
EXECUTION OF JUDGMENT PENDING DISPOSITION OF A MOTION
On this day came the Defendants AOL Inc. (“AOL”), IAC Search & Media, Inc. (“IAC
Search & Media”), Gannett Co., Inc. (“Gannett”), Target Corporation (“Target”), and Google
Inc. (“Google”) (collectively “Defendants”), by counsel, upon their Motion To Stay Execution of
Judgment Pending Disposition of a Motion pursuant to Rule 62(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil
Procedure, upon joint representation of counsel and for good cause shown, it is
ORDERED that the Defendants’ Motion To Stay Execution of Judgment Pending
Disposition of a Motion is granted, and any proceedings to execute on or enforce the Final
Judgment against Defendants shall be stayed pending resolution of any post-judgment motions
timely filed in this case, and for 14 days thereafter.
Dated: December ____, 2012 Entered: _____/_____/_____
______________________________
United States District Court
Eastern District of Virginia
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01980.51928/5077697.2
WE ASK FOR THIS:
/s/ Stephen E. Noona
Stephen E. Noona
Virginia State Bar No. 25367
KAUFMAN & CANOLES, P.C.
150 West Main Street, Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 624-3000
Facsimile: (757) 624-3169
senoona@kaufcan.com
David Bilsker
David A. Perlson
QUINN EMANUEL URQUHART & SULLIVAN, LLP
50 California Street, 22nd Floor
San Francisco, California 94111
Telephone: (415) 875-6600
Facsimile: (415) 875-6700
davidbilsker@quinnemanuel.com
davidperlson@quinnemanuel.com
Counsel for Google Inc., IAC Search & Media, Inc.,
Gannett Co., Inc. and Target Corporation
/s/ Stephen E. Noona
Stephen E. Noona
Virginia State Bar No. 25367
KAUFMAN & CANOLES, P.C.
150 West Main Street, Suite 2100
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 624-3000
Facsimile: (757) 624-3169
senoona@kaufcan.com
Robert L. Burns
FINNEGAN, HENDERSON, FARABOW,
GARRETT & DUNNER, LLP
Two Freedom Square
11955 Freedom Drive
Reston, VA 20190
Telephone: (571) 203-2700
Facsimile: (202) 408-4400
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01980.51928/5077697.2
Cortney S. Alexander
FINNEGAN, HENDERSON, FARABOW,
GARRETT & DUNNER, LLP
3500 SunTrust Plaza
303 Peachtree Street, NE
Atlanta, GA 94111
Telephone: (404) 653-6400
Facsimile: (415) 653-6444
Counsel for Defendant AOL Inc.
Case 2:11-cv-00512-RAJ-TEM Document 808-1 Filed 12/03/12 Page 4 of 5 PageID# 20939
01980.51928/5077697.2
SEEN AND AGREED:
/s/ W. Ryan Snow
Donald C. Schultz
W. Ryan Snow
Steven Stancliff
C
RENSHAW, WARE & MARTIN, P.L.C.
150 West Main Street, Suite 1500
Norfolk, VA 23510
Telephone: (757) 623-3000
Facsimile: (757) 623-5735
dschultz@cwm-law.cm
wrsnow@cwm-law.com
sstancliff@cwm-law.com
Jeffrey K. Sherwood
Kenneth W. Brothers
DICKSTEIN SHAPIRO LLP
1825 Eye Street NW
Washington, DC 20006
Telephone: (202) 420-2200
Facsimile: (202) 420-2201
sherwoodj@dicksteinshapiro.com
brothersk@dicksteinshapiro.com
Counsel for Plaintiff, I/P Engine, Inc.
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Of course some on YMB think Vrng wouldn't just unoppose it unless something was up (settlement, etc).
But I wouldn't hold my breath. Goog has appeared hellbent to stretch it out as long as possible and/or pay next to nothing. So I tend to doubt the quick end scenarios.
Pacer #808
UNOPPOSED MOTION AND MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF UNOPPOSED
MOTION TO STAY EXECUTION OF JUDGMENT PENDING DISPOSITION OF A
MOTION
The Defendants AOL Inc. (“AOL”), IAC Search & Media, Inc. (“IAC Search & Media”),
Gannett Co., Inc. (“Gannett”), Target Corporation (“Target”), and Google Inc. (“Google”)
(collectively “Defendants”), by counsel, file this unopposed motion to stay execution of
judgment pursuant to Rule 62(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
On November 21, 2012, the Court entered a Final Judgment. (D.N. 801.) Prior to the
jury’s verdict and the Court’s entry of judgment, Defendants filed several Motions for Judgment
as a Matter of Law pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 50(a). (See, e.g., D.N. 751, 753, 772, 775.)
Defendants intend to file post-judgment motions with the Court, including renewed Motions for
Judgment as a Matter of Law pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 50(b). Accordingly, pursuant to Fed. R.
Civ. P. 62(b), Defendants file this motion requesting that the Court stay any proceedings to
execute on or enforce the Final Judgment against Defendants pending disposition of all such
motions.
Counsel for Defendants has conferred with counsel for Plaintiff I/P Engine, Inc. (“I/P
Engine”), and I/P Engine does not oppose the relief requested by Defendants.
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WHEREFORE, the Defendants, by counsel, request that this Court enter the proposed
agreed order attached as Exhibit 1 staying any proceedings to execute on or enforce the Final
Judgment against Defendants pending resolution of any post-judgment motions timely filed in
this case.
DATED: December 3, 2012
[PROPOSED] AGREED ORDER GRANTING UNOPPOSED MOTION TO STAY
EXECUTION OF JUDGMENT PENDING DISPOSITION OF A MOTION
On this day came the Defendants AOL Inc. (“AOL”), IAC Search & Media, Inc. (“IAC
Search & Media”), Gannett Co., Inc. (“Gannett”), Target Corporation (“Target”), and Google
Inc. (“Google”) (collectively “Defendants”), by counsel, upon their Motion To Stay Execution of
Judgment Pending Disposition of a Motion pursuant to Rule 62(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil
Procedure, upon joint representation of counsel and for good cause shown, it is
ORDERED that the Defendants’ Motion To Stay Execution of Judgment Pending
Disposition of a Motion is granted, and any proceedings to execute on or enforce the Final
Judgment against Defendants shall be stayed pending resolution of any post-judgment motions
timely filed in this case, and for 14 days thereafter.
Dated: December ____, 2012 Entered: _____/_____/____
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Exploring the feasibility of a Goog work-around.
um... survive the appeals process? Finance the next couple litigations? You know they can't count on winning every case. And apparently winning isn't always enough in the short term. So it's good to have a few dollars lying around to survive the periods no new monies are coming in...
Share buyback? They just did a dilution last month...
Ever since Vrng asked for that extra month of past damages, I've thought it was a great move.
- It gets JJ to have to run the past damages numbers and it makes sure he has to realize they are screwy.
- And his ruling on the extra month, if it came first, would also telegraph to us the amount/percentage he would have been likely to go in for future royalties.
- Now Goog is pushing to lower the Goog customers past damages, which like you say is dangerous because it also makes JJ look extra closely at these numbers. Which could easily go against Goog to the tune of 158 mil.
Yup - quickly asking for the extra month was a great move.
Most longs think there was a clerical/math error on past damages. I think it was likely that... or maybe the jury thought the monetary amount from Goog would be "in addition" to running royalties. Remember the questions the jury asked while deliberating, and the terse answers they received. So JJ may not think there was a clerical/math error. He may just think the jury wrote a lower amount from Goog thinking it was in addition to running royalties. And if "confused" but wrote it on purpose is the case... then past damages may not have much of a chance of getting increased even if JJ looks closely at the numbers.
BUT... if there are only two real possibilities for what JJ would have to think about past damages
1- calculator/math/clerical error against Vrng -or-
2- Jury confused and thought "in addition to running royalties"
we may not get a past damages increase... but that ought to help seal the deal for 3.5% of 20% (or 20.9%, or higher) for future royalties. Because if JJ thinks the jury made a "math" error, then he'd have to realize what their % running royalties intent was. And if JJ thinks the jury thought the monetary amount was "in addition" to running royalties, then he'd have to know the jury never meant for Goog to only be charged that paltry amount. And he'd once again have to come to the conclusion that 3.5% of 20% (or 20.9% or higher) was their real intent.
That's my thoughts about all that. So yes I agree, Vrng quickly asking for the extra month past damages was imo a great move.
I hope you guys are right.
If Goog is expected to report back to the judge by EOD tomorrow, then there's a decent chance what they say will negatively affect our PPS. So we may be seeing another low point sometime tomorrow or the day after...
But only past damages right?
Only Google is hit with future royalties right?
Past damages from Sep2011-present. But even just one year of damages from hundreds of adwords customers... that could add up to a decent amount.
Or would it be only from the filing date of those potential future lawsuits till present? That would severely curtail any potential awards from them.