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Can anybody see the bottom? We've been sinking for a while now...
Yeah, they should offer both WP8 and Android. So many people are already used to Android, and with the build quality Nokia has, it would be a perfect combination. Actually, they should've done it long time ago, once they decided to ditch Symbian. It's not late yet, worth trying.
An interesting video - evolution of mobile phones, here's the link if you haven't seen it already:
Dn't be worried, it'll be just a tiny drop 2 years from now :) Long and strong!
The ones we rely on obviously are...
If they don't surprise us with few extra phones @ MWC, we are going under $3. IMO
Everything is so bloody red today... 2% is not that bad, having S&P down about 1%. 20 out of 20 "red" stocks today, 6% loss, 4 different sectors - second day in a row. Patience only... Hold your NOK position. GLTA
Special offer on ATT's website:
Buy one Lumia 920, get one free.
Could it be low demand, or making room for a new flagship phone (MWC is only couple of days away)?
Thanks for your reply and the info.
Please read the whole comment before mentioning cash position as their only advantage.
Also, I'd like to remind you about royalties being paid to Nokia by Apple ($6-10 per sold iPhone) and BBRY (they'll also be paid per sold phone, not sure what the amount will be).
Nokia has invested about 40 billion dollars in R&D so far and their patent portfolio is more than respectful.
Thanks again and good luck to you.
Copied comment from fool.com, written by the person nicknamed -bcbaclaysexane- (who I'd like to thank), shows why you should enjoy NOK as a long term investment (it's long, but worth reading).
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Nokia is preparing a big come back.
Nokia´s Vietnam plant is hiring 10 000 employees to produce 45 million phones a quarter. Nokia still has other 6 factories, the biggest one is Beijing right now.
Why Nokia is more likely the third horse in the race than BlackBerry:
1) Competitive prices (with those prices Nokia has already returned to profitability in the recent quarter).
2) Ecosystem (Windows Phones, Windows tablets, Windows PCs, Xbox games, Xbox Music, Microsoft Office, SkyDrive and so on).
3) Nokia´s exclusive innovations in Lumia phones
(PureView camera technology, HD+ sensitive screen technology, advanced mapping platform Here and City Lens, free music with no adds, offline turn by turn GPS, rich sound recording etc).
4) China Mobile and China Unicom are subsidizing Lumia 920/Lumia 920T for a 2-year or 3-year contract starting from 0 or 1 yuan.
Beside price competition, Nokia has already partnered with the two biggest operators in China
(China Mobile and China Unicom together have about 90% of all subscribers in China, and China is now the biggest smartphone market in the world because of the huge population).
5) Nokia has been just voted as the most trusted brand in the world´s second largest country India, where Nokia´s Asha phones are also selling very well.
6) Nokia Siemens Networks (NSN) has advanced and competitive technology to build LTE networks.
According to the Verge and other sources, Nokia may launch these devices as early as February at MWC:
Lumia Eos (PureView camera phone)
Lumia Catwalk (international flagship phone)
Lumia Laser (Verizon flagship phone)
Windows RT tablet (with added battery in the cover)
Nokia which has come down 90% from its highest is a stock to consider,
because it is extremely cheap and the reward can be one of the biggest in NYSE for the future.
Nokia is a stock with great upside opportunity and why:
1) Nokia´s bankruptcy is already remote.
Nokia has increased net cash to about $5.7 billion.
Nokia´s worst loss has been $290 million a quarter in 2012.
Even with this kind of loss, Nokia could still deal by its own net cash for at least 4 years!
2) Nokia won´t have to deal with that kind of loss in the future and why
A. Nokia has cut cost expenses. The layoff in 2012 starts to be fully effective in 2013.
B. Now Nokia has to pay royalty to Microsoft, but Nokia has patent incomes.
C. Nokia has managed to make the important tough work for the basis of its new platform WP.
Nokia has already sold over 15 million Lumia phones up to date (9.9 million units from Lumia debut till the end of September 2012 + 4.4 million units in the last quarter of 2012 + January 2013).
D. Nokia has now a high end phone that can make "halo effects" and be compared to Apple´s and Samsung´s most high-end phone, the Lumia 920.
The demand of this phone is still high in many countries around the world. The 4Q12´s Lumia sales did not include the sales of Lumia 920 in many countries, such as India, Asia-Pacific, UAE, Latin America, and many other countries around the world yet, because the phone was arriving these countries only starting from January 2013.
Even in Europe, many countries start to get this phone starting 1Q13, for example the Netherlands announced the phone arriving in January.
And China Mobile received only first lot of Lumias 920T around Christmas, the second and third lot and further have arrived China, and the phone is still selling out.
E. China Mobile deal. When now, both China Mobile and China Unicom are subsidizing the Lumia 920 heavily, the 2-year or 3-year contract is starting from
0 or 1 yuan, and considering only less than 1/5 of Chinese people are using highest-end smartphones,
this will result into a huge number of 2-year or 3-year contract users for Nokia in China! Besides, 3G penetration in China is still very low, there is a huge opportunity there. Additionally, among the highest end phones, Nokia Lumia 920 is significantly much cheaper than for example iPhone 5 and Galaxy Note II. Nokia has an advantage in both the price competition and the biggest carriers´ backing in China!
F. Nokia Siemens Networks (NSN). During these few months NSN has won many 3G and 4G contracts in many countries.
According to NSN, they have network equipment that can boost the speed of 4G many times faster. This shows that, beside PureView camera technology, HD+ sensitive screen technology, advanced mapping platform HERE and City Lens, Nokia has also top innovations in building 4G LTE networks.
G. MWC is coming soon. There are still more to come from Nokia.
According to The Verge, Nokia will launch PureView camera phone, and also Lumia Catwalk (code name) and Lumia Laser (code name) for Verizon.
According to CEO Stephen Elop, Nokia is also planning a lot of interesting things with Verizon.
Nokia is likely launching tablet as well, even with some loyal fans of Nokia around the world buying some of Nokia´s tablets, this will be a good gain for Nokia.
Nokia will launch more Lumia phones in the coming months to attract different consumer demands. More lower price-point,
mid-range and high-end WP8 Lumias are to come.
In 1Q13, beside Lumia 920 and Lumia 820 which are making their way to more markets and with better supplies, Nokia is also attracting the mass markets with budget WP phones Lumia 620 and Lumia 505.
Nokia´s Navteq has beaten Google Maps for example by signing contracts with Toyota and Ford and many other car companies.
F. Asha phones. Asha phones are now selling almost 10 million units a quarter.
Asha phones are affordable and competitive. Asha phones have now more and more smartphone features.
Apart from features like Facebook, Twitter etc. Asha phones
have internet access and access to thousands of Nokia´s most popular apps.
Nokia has also brought an app called "Nearby" into Asha phones. Nearby is almost the same as City Lens in Lumia phones which is exclusive and unique in mapping and location data.
There is still plenty of room for Asha phones to grow, because the price is competitive (cheapest android is right now about $100, while Asha is only about $70 without any contract).
Apart from the features and price mentioned above, there are important and good selling points in Asha phones against cheapest androids, for example 40 free most popular games!
Asha phones are still profitable for Nokia, because the OS is from Nokia itself, Nokia does not have to pay royalty for it.
3) While bankruptcy is remote, Nokia´s stock price is still heavily undervalued.
NYSE tech stocks are usually 2x book value, Nokia is still way much below that.
According to Morningstar´s valuation, the sum of parts of Nokia (NSN, Navteq, feature phones, smartphones and patent portfolio)
is worth much more than Nokia´s stock price right now, not to mention Nokia´s $5.7 billion net cash added to that value!
Two years ago NOK was still about $15, now the stock is only over $4, the reason is that the stock has been over sold.
Nokia is the most short sold stock in both Helsinki and New York! The shorts are still over 20% in Nokia´s total share number which is approximately 3.75 billion shares.
This is a huge number, considering Apple´s short interest is only around 1% and Samsung´s around 2%. When Nokia is here to stay, the shorts need to be covered and the stock will skyrocket from these levels.
Nokia Apple Intel Microsoft Cirrus Logic
0.32 3.0 2 3.0 3.76
Note that Nokia is currently selling at 0.32 price/sales ratio. This means that if the company manages to restructure and return to normal profitability, the stock has the potential to become a 10x bagger (even from today's price levels) - assuming the market will value Nokia 3.0x sales like Apple or Microsoft. But even a price/sales ratio of 2, like Intel has, means a 6x bagger from these levels.
Nokia is an opportunity with big upside.
Nokia´s shorts have even increased from the last two weeks.
In NYSE Nokia short interest has hit 8.3%, and in Helsinki Nokia short interest has also hit record high 12.15% (this number only counted with investors with over 0.5% of short positions, below 0.5% not listed because of EU law).
The percentage numbers are counted with
Nokia´s total share number which is approximately 3.75 billion shares.
If at least 1% of CM's 700m subscribers buy a Lumia in this quarter (only 1%), this will sky-rocket. IMO
It did, but should've gone up more with all the positive news (Toyota, graphene etc.). I'm afraid first red day will push it back under $4 again.
S&P up more than percent, NOK only 2% - not good.
Once it reaches 4.02 and "they" make money, it's our turn.
Once again, 4.02 is the bottom, load as many as you can, it'll be the last chance before it takes off.
"By purchasing the puts to open, the buyers are expecting NOK to backpedal beneath the $4.50 level within the next few months. More specifically, the buyers will reap a reward if NOK breaches the $4.02 level (strike minus premium paid) within the options' lifetime."
http://www.schaeffersresearch.com/marketcenters/optionscenter/content/nokia+corporation+nok+put+volume+pops+ahead+of+earnings/default.aspx?ID=114553
What worries me is that he is usually wrong :) Let's hope he's right this time :)
The bottom is @ 4.02 (might drop today)! Once we see it, load as many shares as you can (I sure will) and then we'll fly to over $5. IMO
"By purchasing the puts to open, the buyers are expecting NOK to backpedal beneath the $4.50 level within the next few months. More specifically, the buyers will reap a reward if NOK breaches the $4.02 level (strike minus premium paid) within the options' lifetime."
Here's a link with the list of top 20 most sold phones of all times. The link is in Serbian (and sorry about that), but the list is easily viewable, and that's why I'm posting it.
http://www.b92.net/tehnopolis/vesti.php?yyyy=2013&mm=01&nav_id=680234
You can find the same list on a UK site:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/picture-galleries/9818080/The-20-bestselling-mobile-phones-of-all-time.html?frame=2458860
Wanted to post the first one so you can compare all the numbers easily.
My goal is to show you how strong Nokia was and is as a brand in Europe because it has never had much success in the States. Had been using Nokia phone since 1998. and they were just great. Nokia made a mistake that Apple is making now because they became just way too strong and thought people will keep buying their phones even if there are/were no innovations. That's what Apple is doing now - just compare 4S and iPhone 5. And that's why they will go down, just like Nokia did.
IMO
They gave us some time to load cheapies ;)
9 cents up after-hours before earnings release
We won't be that lucky to see those cheap $16 shares :(
Patience... It'll pay off.
It should be in $5-$6 range before Q1 earnings release. If they make profit in Q1 (which is very possible, although they don't expect it) - sky is the limit. If not, we'll probably have to wait until the introduction of a new phone. IMO
I wish I knew how to use options :/
I bet they would double their smartphone sales if they'd make Lumia in colors that were used to make 7370, 7360 or 8800. Not sure if it's possible with the use or polycarbonate, but I'm sure the girls would go nuts to get that phone (as in Europe, several years ago).
I just feel sorry my 3.71 buy trade wasn't executed yesterday just before close (missed it for a minute before it went up to 3.76). Damn, was so disappointed yesterday, but when I saw 4.64 pre-market... Long and strong NOK!
Let's hope it will go back up after tomorrow's Lumia launch in India. Anyone knows what'll happen after the raid in India?
But, the competition is getting stronger - RIMM, ALU, Sony... Nokia's only "weakness" - Windows, might become it's biggest advantage, something that separates them from he rest of the crowd. We'll see, should go up to $5 before January 24th, and then depends on the Q4 earnings...
IMO
If NOK beats estimates for this quarter, it will soar at least 25% that day, if not more.
Nokia doing great in China, as expected.
http://www.neowin.net/news/nokia-lumia-920-a-big-hit-in-china-with-fast-sellouts
Why are you still following this stock if you know it's future? Just move on to the next one.
MJNA had over 1200% revenue increase in the second quarter compared to the 2nd quarter a year ago.
Several video reviews of the new Lumia 920:
http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/11/02/nokia-lumia-920-visual-review/
For about two months now...