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we are trillions in debt and you think they are going to spend anything on something new? They will duck tape and patch together the stuff they have now if it means they don't have to spend millions on new equipment. Look how bad Obama has failed in so many other more important ways and you think he will do the right thing for security? You hope that, so you think that, because you are invested in this stock.
I'm not here to argue. I know people like him an I've worked with people like him. He doesn't care about us or our safety or he wouldn't do half the things he does. Just look at his track record. He's cutting down the millitary big time. I have familly in there and they are losing tons of benefits. the very people who fight and die for our country. But he's going to spend millions on IMSC's bomb detection devices because it makes sence to us? lol
Once I got off the cool-aid it was easy for me to look at this and see it for what it was. A good company thats getting the raw end of the deal.
Remember... This is a government that thought spending trillions more one creating government jobs would get us out of debt...nuff said.
How many were sold in the last PR?
the question still remains. Why would they convert now before the huge sales come in?
10 mil shares were cashed in by either DMJR or IMSC employees. If greater things were to come in the near future then who in their right mind would cash in now?
are you suprised?
I don't think you fully understand how the process works. I can submit a product to the tsa if I go through the proper steps. Then they have to test it. If it passes the first stage it moves on to the next and so on and so forth until it is done. I pay for the cost and everything to do with testing. The TSA pays nothing. they have nothing invested in the product.
Secondly, DMJR is not going to fund a sinking ship forever. Your saying because they have 3-4 years invested in this company and millions of dollars that they'll never let it go? Your optimism humors me but that simply just isn't reality. Sooner or later bad investments are what they are, bad investments. Now I'm not saying thats what this is just yet, but it is pointing in that direction for sure.
Some questions to ask yourself. What have they sold this quarter? What have they promised they would sell this Quarter? How many times were we told that contracts were waiting to be signed pretty much after TSA approval? I will give that it takes some time to do things, but this has been the slowest quarter since I can remember and we are TSA approved...I'm just calling it like it is and I honestly feel a little lied to.
IMSC is in a tight spot IMO. If they don't get some good sales going soon their stock will crash farther. DMJR is not stupid, if IMSC can't sell their product and their stock becomes worthless, what are they supposed to do? Continue giving them money because they are such good friends? Ehh... I don't think thats how business works.
I've already decided that the money I have in this will stay in till this place tops out or it goes bankrupt. If I lose it all I won't be happy about it but it won't change my life any. I suggest other people start thinking about weather or not they can afford to lose the money they have invested in this. Just fair warning. It does still have potential to hit big too.
What else could they say? The top notch salesmen reached their goal for the month. 1 device. woohoo were all gunna get rich...
YES "highly qualified employees" they are doing an outstanding job right now. I've never seen so many sales in the history of the company.
I have to admit, I'm a little sick of all the chant for IMSC. Is there potential here? Yes. Do they have a great product? Yes. But all this talk of huge this and great that is just a bunch of junk people are dreaming up in their head. Its going to take awhile for IMSC to sleep its way into the pocket of the big boys. We are still a nobody in the industry and thats reality. If I were wrong we'd have oreders roling in. At least 1 b220 a week wouldn't be a bad start. Anything
How many sales reps do we have? I also notice that this wasn't a sale from any of our sales representatives. It was sold through a distributer.
Go IMSC I guess? :T
your exactly right. I'm creating that world...
I don't buy and sell on emotion. I do however b!tch and gripe on emotion. I guess I always forget that most people don't have the drive I do, to be the best at what they do, and I just don't understand that.
I believe glenn said in one of the CC's that we had orders lined up waiting on approval. This gives them probably a solid month that they have known.
the optimism in here is amazing...
Still no sales of the B220? And before anyone blurts out that it was only approved a little while ago, it was actually approved a few weeks ago and they had to keep it secret. But this doesn't mean they couldn't be out selling the thing. So this is what bothers me. They spend way more in salary on sales guys then they get back in a year. Then they give these guys a massive amount of shares to be on the team. My question is, for what? What have they done that allows them this? This is something that should be earned. Once you sale X amount in a year you get this many shares. Sort of an earn your way. In my business, the sales guys bring in 20 times their salary. I'm starting to feel like our leader is a Tod Hoffman.
I'm not going anywhere. I stuck it out over a year now I think. I just get frustrated when I see people get in for the price that I paid a year ago.
Just ranting really
where as thats all fine and dandy... where are the rolling in orders of the B220? I hate to say this, but if we don't get some serious sales going this will put us right back where we started.
so what does that mean for us?
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Living in New York, and having an intense interest in the world of finance, I have spent a lot of time closely watching a number of prominent hedge funds. Over the years, one of the more interesting of this group has been Platinum Partners. Platinum, a $930mm fund has marched to the beat of its own drum, while compiling an impressive track record for its investors. It ranked No. 56 on Barron's annual hedge-fund performance survey for 2010 and No. 16 for 2009. One of its more intriguing investments has been its debt investment in a company called Implant Science Corporation (IMSC.PK). IMSC makes security equipment that can scan cargo, luggage and people's clothing for traces of explosive residue, a technology known as Explosive Trace Detection (ETD). On January 16, 2013, IMSC became only the third company to get approval from the TSA to implement their ETD equipment in US airports. In this article, I will closely analyze IMSC's competitors in the ETD space, what this approval means to IMSC, how much money they can generate from TSA contracts, and future possible revenue streams. In my analysis I will quote heavily from the detailed TSA budget, which I will henceforth reference as "Budget".
TSA: A Background
After the horrific attacks of 9/11 The Bush Administration created the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), which originally fell under the umbrella of the Department of Transportation, but subsequently got moved to the newly created Department of Homeland Security (DHS). As most of you know the TSA (amongst its many responsibilities) provides security at airports in the USA. In this capacity they contract a lot of work to equipment providers to assist them in achieving their goals. In 2013, The TSA Aviation Security Unit (henceforth, TSA) has a total proposed budget of $5.1bn (Budget p.67), of that $5.1bn TSA will spend approximately $558mm on equipment, with the balance spent on employee salaries and other items (ibid). Importantly, this $558mm budget covers only one year of the equipment budget, meaning, any company that can start tapping into this budget, could see a nice continuous revenue stream.
The more established names in this space -- Safran (SAFRY.PK) -- until recently part of GE (GE), Smiths (SMGKF) and Level 3 Holdings (LLL) -- have taken the lion's share of TSA equipment contracts until now. I will now turn my attention to the current $558mm equipment budget, its specific breakdown, and the approximate take of the above three players.
TSA Equipment: A Breakdown
As mentioned above, The TSA has a $558mm equipment budget for the upcoming year. This budget gets divided between three divisions of the security unit:
Explosives Detection Systems/Explosive Trace Detection Systems ($426mm)
These two category of items do the following:
Explosives Detection Systems (EDS) -- function much the same way an X-Ray machine for bags, except that instead for seeing the inside of a passenger's bag, it detects for explosives.
Explosive Trace Detection (ETD) -- see above
Checkpoint Support ($120mm)
Included in this category:
X-Ray Machines
Full Body Scans
Metal Detectors
Air Cargo ($12mm)
Air Cargo has the same equipment as the above two units.
The TSA doesn't give an explicit list of its largest contractors, but it does give its equipment maintenance cost where it identifies the items it currently own and their quantities (Budget p. 1345). Additionally, TSA gives the cost it currently pays for these items (Budget p. 1335), and we can assume future prices paid by the TSA will fall well within the range of past prices paid.
Company
Item
Unit
Price
Quantity
Total Cost
Safran/GE
Itemiser DX/W
EDS/ETD
$45,000
1035
$46mm
Smiths
IonScan 400B/500DT
EDS/ETD
$45,000
715
$32mm
Smiths
AT System
AT
$135,000
935
$126mm
L-3
AT/AIT System
AT
$150,000 (AVG)
760
$114mm
In short, Safran, Smiths, and Level 3 Holdings all have strong relationships with the TSA. These relationships have allowed these companies to generate long term and sustainable cash flows, which has benefited their shareholders. We will now move to a deeper discussion about ETD systems, and the unique opportunity IMSC has in this space.
Implant Sciences Corporation: A New Player In The ETD Game
As noted above, ETD equipment represents one of the largest expenditures for The TSA. These expenditures extend beyond the specific EDS/ETD segment, and find their way into the Checkpoint Security and Air Cargo segments as well.
Breaking this down further, in the Checkpoint Support program TSA plans to spend $4.5mm this year, and $85mm over the course of their current program (Budget p. 1334) in adding ETD equipment. In the EDS/ETD segment TSA has launched the Electronic Baggage Screening Program a huge program with an $11bn equipment budget over its lifetime, and $1bn budget over the next three years. Importantly TSA notes that the ETD portion of this program represents, "the second largest component of equipment cost within the ... program" (Budget p. 1340). More importantly, this program launched in Feb 2012, giving a new player, IMSC, a chance to gain market share in this new field.
In short, IMSC can benefit from two large government programs -- the Baggage Screening Program valued at $1bn over the next three years and the Checkpoint Program with a specific ETD budget of $85mm. The Baggage Screening Program budget doesn't break out their specific ETD spend, but based on their comments cited above I think we can assume at least 10-15% of their budget dedicated towards ETD equipment. If so, The TSA will spend roughly $200mm over the next 3 years on ETD equipment.
What This Means For IMSC
With IMSC's recent TSA recognition they have taken a major step forward in gaining access to the huge government contracts described above. We can only guess how much of these contracts IMSC will get, but if we use the maintenance schedule mentioned above, it seems that TSA likes to spread their business around. According to that list, TSA employed 715 Smiths ETD detectors and 1,035 Morpho (Safran) ETD detectors, with market value of the products roughly following the same ratio as quantity. Therefore, I don't see it as unlikely that IMSC could gain at least a 20% market share in this arena. Further, assuming an approximate $65mm TSA spend for the next three years, IMSC should have the ability to pick up $13mm in annual TSA contracts.
IMSC has historically operated at 30% gross margins in their ETD business, meaning they would increase their revenue and operating profit fivefold over the previous year to $19mm and $5.6mm respectively.
IMSC In The Long Term
In order for IMSC to start turning a profit they will have to reach $33mm in annual sales, just to cover COGS and SG&A expenses. Considering the important TSA development we can now assume that IMSC can more easily compete with Smiths and Morpho on a global scale. In addition to aviation security concerns, the global market for ETD's includes general transportation security, force protection, law enforcement, critical infrastructure protection, public safety, and finally corporate security. Taken together Homeland Security Research Corporation projects global spending on ETD's across all sectors to reach $1bn by 2015. Additionally, and this news came out after Homeland Research Corporation's study, as of Dec 2012 TSA requires screening for all packages inbound to the USA. This new legislation will drive further sales of ETD detectors.
Assuming a 20% adoption of IMSC products, IMSC will see $66mm in annual revenue, $20mm gross revenue, and $10mm of EBIT on average of the next 3 years. Both Safran and Smiths trade at about 12x EBIT, if so, IMSC should see a market cap of about $120mm, or double its current valuation over the next three years. Importantly, IMSC as a growth stock should trade at a much higher EBIT multiple than the established players, but I would prefer to show that even using more conservative modeling IMSC has tremendous upside.
One final word on IMSC. As I mentioned in the opening paragraph my original interest in this company came from the loan Platinum Partners extended to the company almost two years ago. The loan balance currently stands at $30mm, and it comes due in March 2013. If Platinum does not roll the debt, the company will go bankrupt, pure and simple. However, I think that there is no chance Platinum will take such action.
Firstly, Platinum has already extended the debt two times -- in September 2012 and October 2011. Secondly, I cannot believe that just as IMSC begins to turn the corner in a major way, Platinum would ruin all of the work they have put into the stock by sending them into bankruptcy.
TASER International (TASR): An Instructive History
We all know the famous TASER stun gun used by law enforcement agencies all over the world. The company has an interesting history whose lessons we can apply to IMSC. Briefly, TASR struggled in their early existence because for patent issues they could not sell their products to law enforcement agencies. In 1998, with the patent issues lifted, they began selling their guns to law enforcement agencies, sales moved briskly, but TASR still had troubling turning a profit. After the tragic events of 9/11 airlines across the world began arming their pilots with TASER guns, and business began to pick up significantly setting TASR on a path to long term stability.
I once heard Tony Blair say, "we can't really imagine a world without the attacks of 9/11, it changed us, and our security outlook, so fundamentally we can't even remember what life was life before it". Life has changed, permanently, and government organization, and increasingly other segments of society realize that security professionals need the proper tools to defend their citizens and countries. Let us hope that companies like IMSC and TASR gives the brave security professionals around the world another tool that allows us to live in a safe, peaceful world.
Cool. thanks for the tip
The shares they have gives them a vote in the direction of the company. I think they would like to maintain a vested interest in IMSC when all their debt is paid back. So in my opinion I don't think they are looking to sell any of their shares in the coming years. Unless they just absolutly needed the money. I beileve they would like to remain a part of the company they helped create.
I was talking about putting new funds in scottrade. I can day trade pinks all day with no delay. I just have to wait 3 days if I deposit new money. They want that to clear first for some reason. O well, tomorrow will work fine. Still a cheap price really.
I just hate that it takes 3 days for money to clear to be used on pinks with scottrade. One more day... hopefully the price won't be too high then.
Look at all that volume :)
Sure wish we could trade premarket right now
Looks like I missed all the action today. Glad to be back in the green. Can't wait to see the orders we get in the next couple weeks. I have high expectations from our sales team.
When does anyone expect the the first order? Maybe that can be our next thing to sit around and complain about ;)
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.
How old is this company? Seems a little dificult to dig up information. No PR's on yahoo. I'd like to read up on it
You have to think a little deeper obviously.
I just read the last part of the Announcement. It will boost sales that are generated from pages. They will be able to generate money from the search engine just like google does. The difference is that it brings in results spacific to the likes of you and your friends. This means you are more likely to pick on the same things and buy the same things as your friends.
Mark didn't dumb it down for everyone so it may take a day for it all to sink in. He is one step ahead of everyone once again.
Really? The announcment may not be what they market wants to hear but the idea they came up with is genius. It will have people even more hooked on FB. The only problem is I don't really see how it would generate any extra money.
anyone know how we can find out the news as they present it? I can't search anything with facebook in it at work.
Anyone know how we can get in on the unveiling today? Whats the link to see what goes on first hand?
Yeah I'm not really sure what they are unveiling today. If its a phone I'm sure it will be great. Some people seem to think its just news on the company and also could be app information.I hope its a phone. It seems like a whole lot of people may have wound themselves up for no reason though.
All that said, I still stand by my statements about facebook. Even if there is a sell off today, you won't be down for more than a month. There is just too much promise in this company.
I don't know what they could offer. If I could think of all the cool gadgets before they came out I would be ceo of a phone company. I can promise you this though, Mark is a brillant person with everything he needs at his finger tips. I'm sure they can come up with something really cool that people just have to have. If its a phone, I highly doubt it would just be some knock off cheap piece of junk. What would that say for the man trying to pave his way to the top... think about it.
This stock may have some dips in the road but it is going nowhere but up.
I respectfully disagree. The iPhone that everybody used to just have is going away. Almost all my friends just had to have one, and now with the 5 out, most of them are switching to something else. It has had way to many problems and I saw nothing but complaints about it on facebook.
Also, whether you like it or not, Facebook is a part of everyones daily lives now. Go to a bar, club or resturant and you see people on facebook. Drive down the road and look into other peoples cars and you see people Facebooking and driving. It’s something most people can't pry themselves away from. If there was a highly sought after Facebook phone out, it would drive sales up immensely.
Monday, January 14, 12:04 PM More on Facebook: "Multiple sources" tell MG Siegler a Facebook phone of some kind will be shown off at tomorrow's 1PM ET event; he has few details beyond that. Topeka reported last week Facebook, long rumored to be developing a phone with HTC, has an in-house phone team, but added it isn't sure of the unit's "ultimate goal." Fellow TechCrunch writer Alexia Tsotsis reports an iPad version of Facebook's popular Messenger app is on the way.
I think the recent drop could be either profit taking or insider info on the unveiling tomorrow. Hopefully just profittaking and scared hands
actually he is right, glenn has given several dates and assumed times.
It has nothing to do with bashing the stock. Like I said before it will happen when it happens. I wouldn't get your hopes up into thinking its going to be anytime soon. Just hope it comes by the end of this year and hopefully then you won't be disappointed.
I agree. Where does a few more weeks come from? People have been preaching that for months. It'll happen when it happens. Obviously not nearly as quickly as anyone thought, even Glenn.
double it is what I'm hoping...
I agree. I don't day trade this stock. Or any stock anymore for that matter. But when I did it seemed some months I was up and some I was down. In the end I figured I was better off just holding. Been doing good with that ever since. Hopefully I'll be green in this stock again soon.
Always seems to be alot of downward pressure on this stock right in the last seconds before close. Wonder why?