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..it's when you repeat the same positivity every day. It get's annoying.
Critical thinking and "critiquing" something is not negative.
It allows both sides of a situation to enter into the light…to be inspected.
Since this is a public forum, debate is good.
This is what we're doing here on the iHub LQMT board.
ha ha ha ha
E:
We are old men!
I knew it was all over 10 years ago when I took my godson to hear a heavy metal band (not my choosing) at a club for younger folks and the doorman called me "Pops."
Surely if I had been wearing a liquidmetal belt buckle I might have made it into the realm of hip!
To be clear to all on the board: I am long, I have been long, I haven't sold a share (yes I know I was f-ing with you all a few weeks back saying I sold…but that was primarily for the benefit of the posters on this board that are the day-trader manipulators).
I'm staying put because I don't want to miss out…. if this does work out.
However, that doesn't mean that I won't continually question the tactics and strategic maneuverings of the management of this company. They need to be held accountable.
And if I see what I perceive to be snow job occurring ….I will call it out.
I hear you E. but on the other side of the equation we have the JB pumper group who are touting the
"..it really is all about Apple…gonna happen with Apple…." scenario.
We are all still very deep into a dialectical discussion on the fate of Liquidmetal……….
Whatever……it's gonna be an interesting three weeks before Feb 5.
I think we will discover soon what is real and what is not.
Eagle:
You talking to me or Gorgol?
DUDE didn't come into common usage until Sean Penn used it in Fast Times At Ridgemont High, circa 1980 something. Not a bad film considering.
I was born in '55. Never heard the word Dude on my block growing up.
It could be.
And that Kang connection in the background is a BIG RED FLAG.
WW is right to be troubled by this.
Without the imprimatur of a big brand name (Apple, GM, Tesla et al) I fear this is going to be a niche business for a long while. And we will never get to the mass production numbers that will render the big bucks.
We also need Andy Warhol's "15 minutes of fame" scenario to take us into the bigger public arena of awareness via that big brand name connection. Imagine Hauck going to a prospective client and simply saying…"well Apple's (or Tesla or GM) is using this material…" Wouldn't you sign up immediately? I would.
Kind of has a better ring then…"well CoNextions and Leader Medical are using liquidmetal for joints and tendon repair etc etc."
You catch my drift.
You miss the point.
We're being treated to a broken record.
Researchful has it right.
Dude:
look at the date on the PR release…. January 2017.
Mr Hauck should be placed on an MBR (management by result) payment schedule immediately instead of an MBO one (management by objective) going forward. He shouldn't receive one more dime of pay until he produces a real contract.
As stated yesterday by me and this morning by Josh: Mr. Hauck has been reciting the same litany of objectives since the early days of his tenure (which goes back to March 2014). All you long-termers will recall the continual BS we heard from he, Steipp, and Chung on those CCs about RFQs etc etc. If I can locate the transcripts from those earlier calls you'll see they mimic his blog post from yesterday.
I could forgive some of this redundancy if it weren't for the recent stock sales by he and Chung. By way of analogy: picture all of us long-term shareholders stuck on a slow leaking boat, stranded, far out at sea. Hauck and Chung are on board with us. Out of the midst comes a gleaming white yacht, pulls up along side of us, Hauck and Chung get rescued and hop aboard, leaving the rest of us to fend for ourselves. Sailing off into the sunset, as our little leaky boat continues to take on water, they give us a slow wave as if to say: "so long suckers." The management of the company, except for Li, hasn't ever shown solidarity with their investors. EVER.
I respect the fact that Mr. Li is not taking a salary. However, I can't understand how a guy making $450,000 dollars in annual take home pay needs an additional $288K (he did sell stock to exercise options at 14 and 7 cents…..but got another 1.6 million shares in the offing, effectively replacing the almost equivalent number he sold…and pocketed an additional 288K to boot). And let's not forget his salary from 2014, 2015 and 2016. As stated by someone else: millions in pay for producing what?
And no matter how you slice it…he had inside information we do not have. His stock sale was poor timing at the least, effectively killed a rallying PPS, and worse of all signaled that there's nothing happening with this company for the immediate future in terms of revenues or contracts. And I don't buy it that this was "a pre-planned sale." If something were eminent he would not have sold his stock.
Yes: I guess if we hear tomorrow that LQMT is making tire pressure gauges for every Ford and GM
car manufactured throughout the world…all will be forgiven. But it doesn't look like that at the moment.
And finally: yes Mr. WWs words are encouraging and rational....but I will remind everyone on this board (and WW himself) that he has been fooled in the past as have all of us.
There is no there there with this company until we get a definitive word of an actual contract.
I'm sorry Mr. Hauck…but all the forward-looking "happy talk" isn't cutting it any longer.
We have been hearing about "on-going" allegiances, alliances, testing, and prototyping FOREVER.
Not to mention the latest hyperbolic headlines…….
Show us revenue, show us contracts.
It's very simple .. all the rest is a "maybe" or "possibly" that could easily turn into a "didn't happen."
And my command of the English language is superb. I read
S.I Hayakawa'ds Language in Thought and Action as a young lad.
How could it not be, eh?
Last time I checked "on going programs" doesn't mean "on going contracts" or "on going production."
Perhaps our Nanook / Aloha Bros have been experiencing too rapid climate changes during their travels and it's impairing their judgment.
So if we add 90 days to 24 months (this assuming that in this new Blitzkrieg of marketing frenzy a contract is actually signed over the next 90 days) LQMT could be generating revenue in April 2020!
Well Mr. Li may be the Billioniare-That-Makes-Things-Happen but as the CEO, who must have signed off on this latest blog post by his Executive Vice-President of Sales & Marketing, one wonders about the strategic thinking behind telling the world and your shareholders that you're still 24 months away from any significant contracts?
What am I missing?
The Poor Weekend LQMT Pumpers just got their rear ends handed to them with this latest blog post.
40 cents by Feb 5th, 2018, is not coming soon to a theatre near you.
Why is this man's salary $450,000 per year?
It's now clear why Steipp was trolling for the low-hanging fruit all those years. Because they were the only clients he might convince to use this wonder material and he could make a part for them without having to resort to huge capital outlays. Whatever iHub poster has been suggesting that we need the Big Client in our corner to really make liquidmetal a viable material to use in everyday items …is telling the truth.
Without the imprimatur of an Apple, Samsung or Huwei..we will be "dangling in the tournefortia"
for a long, long while.
Tangentially: please explain how LQMT has been in bed with Lugee Li for two known years (since 2016) and probably 18 months prior to that)—which means they've had access to his lower cost formulations and manufacturing capability in China—and yet have produced no meaningful revenue? We're just now putting together an aggressive marketing plan?
And if this was such a wiz-bang material why hasn't Apple, a company ridiculously flush with cash,
thrown substantial funds our way to help accelerate its commercialization?
All these things don't add up.
I'm no longer buying the long-held notion that we've been tied up by NDAs with Apple.
There is no there there.
Or if Li has been trying to get Apple to the bargaining table, to renegotiate, he hasn't been successful.
The JB surrogates posting here want you to believe otherwise to capitalize on another faux run up.
Sadly, more huff, puff and fluff from Mr. Hauck. This update sounds like a reworking of similar language we heard back on CCs in 2014 and 2015. At least they proof read it this time before posting it. I don't see any typos do you?
And "more manufacturing activity than ever?" Did I miss something? Has there been manufacturing activity going on that I missed?
Eagle's 2019 prediction of LQMT profitability isn't even close; more like 2022 if the doors are still open.
Mr. Hauck: pray tell. If you're so excited about the possibilities why did you sell your stock?
Show us you mean business. Buy some stock on the open market.
And it looks like the "in the midst RFQ's" are back with us ("31 potential clients" WOW)…and let's not get too overly excited about the "1,000 potential customers" that they've met at trade shows. I guess technically speaking any person that stops by the booth for a chat and brochure could be considered a "potential client."
Mr. Hauck: maybe you should spend less time writing meaningless blogs posts and get your rear end out there and sell something.
This LQMT PPS stall between 22 and 23 cents perhaps indicates slow accumulation by a large entity?
I'm beginning to think all the SILENCE is a good thing.
If there is fruit to bear on our horizon with the Fruit Company…..
then Li and his employees being MUM….is the exact right thing to be doing.
HEEEEERRRREEEE'S JOHHHHHNNNNNYYYYY!
yeah…what he said.
I appreciate your input and didn't perceive your post as
YELLING.
Beware the Pumper Prophets!
Go LQMT!
Two songs come to mind here today pertaining to LQMT and its immediate future…..….
"We got the pots on
….and the gas up high...
we are cooking."
John Lee Hooker (Endless Boogie)
AND
"…put your biscuits in the oven
and your buns in my bed
don't let that woman's liberation
go to your head!"
Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys
Just thinking that soon, according to WATTS, we will be able bake our Liquidmetal to perfection!
YESSIR!
POTS ON…...indeed!
Thank you Mr. Watts.
You bring a glow to the Board!
It was from 2016.
And let's not forget others here who were buying shares at 39 cents
and urging us all to do the same.
That investor from the north first bought in at 39 cents.
But he's still happy with his investment.
Hmmmm.
Excellent question, EH…the 63 million dollar question in fact (about how Li ended up at LQMT).
When one steps back and takes a more distanced, nuanced view……I'd have to say Apple was instrumental in orchestrating the alliance.
…Unless of course they knew that any "fruitful" scenario …in terms of appreciable revenue…. is still a year or two off.
Hats off to EAGLE1947.
2019 may be the year we're waiting for.
Mr E:
This is an incredible piece of writing….and a wonderful scenario to speculate upon…and quite logical reasoning…..but if Apple has to come to the table in order to party with the Chinese market why did Hauck and Chung sell their shares at this juncture?
Unless they sold to use the funds to buy even more shares…….admittedly I have a slim comprehension about all the "exercising the options or warrants" jargon.
It seems to me that in order for LI to get the most bang for his buck with his 405 million shares of LQMT he has is to figure out a way to renegotiate the MTA with Apple where the money flows mostly to LQMT….
if that's through EON somehow…...so be it.
Has it not been suggested here that many Chinese businessmen want to get their monies out of China?
Isn't it understood here….that unless Apple steps up and renegotiates with Li…Li has the right to take his own LM105 formula (not covered in the original agreement) and use it to make phone casings for other cellphone manufacturers in China?
Is this not been what all the back and forth has been about over the last few weeks here?
Any chance this has anything to do with LQMT….as in we'll eventually see a liquidmetal phone by an Apple competitor?
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2017/12/27/huawei-usa-launch-att-vs-apple-aapl.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo
Whomever mentioned yesterday that this chatroom is a support group situation was right on!
As cranky as I get sometimes ….I do appreciate all that happens here and am grateful for all those who are participating.
Gee…maybe we'll see a press release like that one day mentioning LQMT.
Wouldn't that be sweet
Long time shareholder, gripped by FOMO, who wants future financial security. The idea of the technology interests me.
And you?
Being a shareholder doesn't mean you have to only be positive and pollyannish about what you're invested in…it means you can also hold management accountable….and ask questions….as well as doubt other personages on this board who are here for short term pleasure.
It is a public forum / free-for-all …..after all.
As I said Mr. Leads: these new voices and their pronouncements…this poster who first posted in April 2017…carry no weight with me when it comes to what is happening in liquidmetal's future.
I would not hold out that "the new numbers" are going to reflect any dramatic change.
For whatever reason adaptation of liquidmetal on a industrial scale hasn't materialized yet.
Yet another rehash of information already shared on this board….and more pie-in-the-sky prognostications.
And I quote:
"After consumer electronics, liquid metal will be in the military, industrial, robotics, medical, environmental protection, aerospace and other areas of handsome rich force one after another, the prospect of limitless!"
Loved that translation!
LIMITLESS!
Can't wait for Prof. Li to show us the contracts and revenue that reflect this bright, shiny future.
Hauck and Chung certainly weren't patiently awaiting their reward.
Why should we be?