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Everyone should leave management alone and let them do their job. The more forum posters they get bothering them with all of their "knowledge" and suggestions will just annoy them at best. The company is going to do what they want despite what anyone here thinks, so save your breath. Does anyone hear actually think they are more knowledgeable or experienced? Does anyone hear actually think they can persuade the company? LOL never ceases to amaze me that small position common shareholders on message boards think they are important to a company. Wake up people. Trade it, don't marry it.
o/s is free trading float plus restricted...
better odds for shorts... if it was worth more, then price and vol would tell you that... common sense... vol and interest are gone... gonna have a slow death...
come on people, if this was actually worth what you all think, then the market price would reflect that... people on forums don't some how know more than the rest of the market...
lol... funniest interpretation i've read... current price tells the truth... it's a move to protect debt holders not common retail... side note, any time a company states in a filing/pr that they are committed to acting in the best interest of shareholders, they never mean retail, they mean main/debt holders... it's to make retail feel warm and fuzzy... common retail won't see a thing once this all plays out...
remember what happen yest after the gap up? just saying...
looks like if 3's build a little more they could take them all...
bidding ends today right? any rumors out yet?
watching to see if they release news to absorb those 58mm shares...
tread lightly, not sure it'll hold $2 next time around...
Awesome...
lol...
slow death ladies, slow death...
DNDNQ hhhmmm...
link?
really? don't see anything since oct here: https://twitter.com/eqlabs
OTC, the death is near... ugh... so sad...
options gonna have to take their place i guess...
crazy low vol... would love to see o/s max more quickly... co. needs to start the pr machine to get this going...
gl, and hope you make good money, but my bet is the way of the Q...
check the time stamp, perfect...
she's gonna crack...
this pig gonna have a slow death...
gonna keep seeing more form 4's with $0 cost and they'll get sold to pay debt...
yep, that and if they would actually max out the s/s then we'd have a lot of people jumping in...
long time until vote date and then actual split date... plenty of time to lock this up... conso here and then hopefully pr blitz with revenue #'s, distribution, etc to get this moving... once we get over the 20ma gonna be game on...
if VFIN had much he'd probably be in first position or would have come down to 0004...
this story could get real interesting, but hesitant to be biased yet...
awesome, looks like we finally have a date... tons of time for this to run now, sweet mamajama... they just need to finish the printer that's been hot and start with the PR printer and crank out some good kool aid, especially revenue #'s... the ratios they put out are gonna sound good to the masses as they crunch their numbers... weeeeeeee...
uh, read my post again...
don't hold o/n... form 4 out, insiders selling...
http://archive.fast-edgar.com//20150126/ANAT662CZ222CZZ2222K2ZZFCKPMZB22X272/
you've been here long enough to know how much debt there is and that there is no room in the current s/s to accommodate the debt/holdings/options/etc... there are way too many shares for the current a/s to accommodate them, debt deal or not... if they only increase the a/s to accommodate then note holders will convert and hammer it to nothing and then an r/s has to happen... it's inevitable, now or later... and i say at this pps because converting at these prices will hammer it to sub penny... there has to be room in the share price to accommodate all shares to hit the market, conversions, holdings, whatever... the only way it won't happen is if they get bought out... there's a better chance of a buyout than no r/s... no one is gonna come in with a bunch of cash and buy all the debt without protection, which means conversions... the current a/s and price can't accommodate all of it... how is it so hard for everyone to see that??? hasn't anyone ever read a going concern??? yes, yes, yes, i know, you're going to say they're making plenty of money to cover the debt in time, but that takes more time than they currently need and would be unnecessary... easy thing for a company to do is r/s and adjust the s/s so they don't go through this again and have their preferred shares... what i'm about to say may shock you all, but common retail shareholders, especially who hold less than 5% have no value to any company... they don't care what you think... everyone needs to drop their emotional tie and focus on reality... i'm a trader and see a ton of value here at this price... i think it's way undervalued and i'm buying it up for a run, but i'm not delusional about what's going on, i'm just hoping for a nice payout before the split... as long as ecig provides liquidity, range, and a good story i'll trade it... at this pps or in years to come at another...
It's a dumb question, that's why... They see value in the future of the company and don't need the money obviously... That has nothing to do with the debt or PPS... They'll hold for years and years... That's my whole point about the r/s talk... Everyone who is long and strong shouldn't be caring so much about it... Either you're in or out... Either trade it, marry it, or move on...
No one will come in with just cash and buy up the debt without protection unless it's a buyout... No different than any public company, when there is a debt deal their is an offering/warrants/conversions/etc...
How are you making sense? There is no room in the current s/s to accommodate the debt/holdings/options/etc... If they only increase the a/s to accommodate then note holders will convert and hammer it to nothing and then an r/s has to happen... It's inevitable... For the love, the only way it won't happen is if they get bought out... There's a better chance of a buyout than no r/s...
We'll see who is right, but the ceo's email was basically code for "see the positives of the r/s"
have a good weekend...
weeeeeee......
R/S has to happen at this PPS and A/S... Get your mind around that... You can buy and sell whenever you want, just being long and sitting on your hands isn't your only option...
Actually it's not... If you're buying for the very long term because you think it's under valued currently then an r/s doesn't matter... If you think the r/s will hurt your investment, then sell... A r/s and a/s increase HAS to happen if the company doesn't get bought out...
everyone stop with the r/s talk, for the love... who cares... if this company doesn't get bought out then they'll have to r/s and change the s/s... again, who cares... if you are all in this to make money then trade the stupid thing and forget the rest... if you can't stomach it, then sell and move on... i'm betting this runs soon as the o/s slowly maxes out... either more notes get converted and sold now or sold into a planned run with pr's from the company (my bet)... i'm slowly accumulating now and will double down or more on any big wash... keep in mind i'm a trader and i don't just hold all the time, i've been in and out and will be out on any big run... i'm willing to risk quite a bit on some good news and if i lose, i lose, lick my wounds and focus on the other endless trades i'm making... some are happy to wait for news or certain max out s/s... i'm accumulating and betting this runs at some point soon and want to have some skin in the game jic it's big news i can't chase... inevitable r/s doesn't bother me... i've been in many pre r/s runs... it doesn't mean squat, so everyone just lighten up about it... 300mm shares at .04 is nothing when you think about the size traders would bring to run this... company has to play along though, and my bet (mark this post) is that the pr that starts the run will be about revenues... if i'm wrong i don't care, i'd rather take the risk and i'm not gonna sit on this thread and cry about it...
well, i'm almost at your $4k for this year and Jan isn't over...
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