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SFRX destination.... .0001.... then the inevitable R/S of death.
you were all forewarned..
company needs cash...
r/s it... ride the price all way back down.. over time.
rinse and repeat... about at that point.
sell that paper to the believers.
DO NOT THINK FOR ONE SECOND they won't do it.
ALL THE SHEEP... will get slaughtered.
that is basic premise of all PINK sheet companies.
absolutely
once the pacer documents come out giving the exact date of the 1 day trial for miscalculations..
speculation alone will push this pps back up
i mean they will either be getting 120 million or they wont
with the amt of shorts on this stock
120 million award alone.. will send this stock up a lot
just have to be patient.. it isnt easy thats for sure.
yeah um you would BE WRONG
haha
wow, this is sounding better and better jmo
i would hope not lol i was just posting cause someone asked for the #'s
$VRNG reports Q2 EPS of $(0.53) versus the estimated $(0.70), beating by $0.17. Revenue came in at $396.0K versus the estimated $300.0K.
wouldnt the similarities or relationships be
that
they all are patent lawsuit stocks
and they all have a monster short interest?
how much more relationship do you need bud?
i dont think he was trying to compare what they were suing for
obviously all of them are for different reasons.
there is no like button JJ
so
im gonna
LIKE UR POST lol
I personally dont think GOOG will attempt to buy out VRNG. VRNG would want like 2 billion thats not gonna happen.
I think we are all forgetting one thing...
VRNG has a card most likely they havent played yet.
GOOG is gonna fight.. esp down to the last hailmary.
The one thing that VRNG holds is the card.. that they can go after every single one of GOOGLES clients that uses the ad software.
at some point.. google is going to settle.. and make this go away. its quite logical.
they will eventually come to the $ # game that VRNG is wanting, absolutely due to the fact that they DO NOT want all of their clients in litigation with this thing.
so lets say GOOG is offering 200 million.. to settle and VRNG is wanting 700 million.
once all this stuff from JJ comes out and the dust settles..
VRNG is gonna go.. give us the dollar amt we want and this is over and WE DONT SUE ALL UR CLIENTS>
ESPECIALLy now that GOOGLE and YAHOO are in bed together.. ( i personally think that complicated things even more so)
no way GOOGLE wants that to happen.
the $ VRNG wants is "pennies" to Google.
they are gonna ride out til the last hailmary attempt is crushed.
then they will settle.
JMO
i agree its very hard to be patient.. but thats what most of us have to do.
it sucks tho
just say all they get is 400 million, take that and apply it to the TINY MARKET CAP that VRNG has.. and you have a giant STORM brewing that will send the pps thru the roof.
GLTY
everyone shoulda known if it lost $3.. it was gonna get fugly.. and it has.. if ur long, then ur long..
if u didnt set a stop loss at $3.. and protect some downside..
or buy put options to protect ur $ then.. there is nothing else to say.
$MINE busting thru that 200 ma might get sick lol
I personally think the company has convertibles going thru VFIN, its been going on all day long
fake 10k offers
that never go away
nearly 1 million in volume has funneled thru that mm
company has no $
that is probably whats going on.
jmo
mine is today
urs 8th? or 9th?
market might be liking that news.. dont wanna curse us just yet.
be patient ppl
VRNG's time is approaching.
burn the shorts houses down!
guess the saying goes, " you cant help the stupid"
applies here
dear lord id love to see ur gains and losses for the year
dave chappelle could probably do a great skit from it.
gltya
the figures everyone is using
is the figures that came from the only expert witness in the entire proceeding
google did not comment on the #'s
have u paid attention @ all to anything that has gone on in the last few months
dude,
if they voted on all counts of infringement which they did..
in favor of VRNG
wouldnt u think they would use those damage #'s??
ummmm i guess that would make to much sense?
i mean dude u cant be helped! sorry
im done with you
ur welcome
so what ur saying is its just complete utter coincedence that we take 35 percent of the " old " numbers and happen to come up with
the exact award damage
ok benji
listen
do me a favor
fill in this equation
aol $22,693,517 x ___%= $7,942,730 damage amount $7.9mil
the jury came up with 7.9 million in damgaes for aol to pay
did they not?
correct? u would agree?
if so
u plug in a numerical value the value that is going to give u 7.9 million
the damages aol must pay for the lump some porton of their infrigement
do me favor
u givme a numerical value other than the one i specified and i will drop this entire discussion.
cmon on
regardless of what the cour case specified, obviously the jury
picked 35 %
35% being the percentage for the actual # of months infringed upon.
the number isnt to high for google.. the # is what it is..
its proportonal to the amt of months infringed.
why would the 3rd party infringers who were using GOOGLES services
pay a higher amt than GOOGLE? explain that to me.
so if u can get past ur own way..
give me a numercal value in the space provided that is differnt than 35 percent that s going to lead to the amt the jury awarded for aol.
once again
use ur brain bud
you can do it
35 percent is nothing but a number that is calculated for the months of infringement
13.5 months from date of filing lawsuit 2011-2012
10 x 3.5 royalty rate = 35 percent
i know this is very difficult for you benjo
u need us to explain this some more
u obviously have no freaking clue what u are talking abt
a freaking 5 yr old could figure out
that the jurors made a clerical mistake
why would they charge the 3rd party infringers who were using GOOGLES adsoftware 35 percent
yet charge the main infringer 3.5 %
3.5 % x 493 million = 15.9 million supposed damage
had they done the 493 million x 35 % ( as they did all the other parties)
the # written on the paper should have been 160 million.
how is this so hard to comprehend.. its not magical lord of the rings hocus pocus.. its real life. man.
35 percent comes from the months for past infringement..
yes the laches ruled out years before 2011
however.. they were allowed to award damages for infringement for past infringement for 2011-2012... when the lawsuit was filed
which was 13.5 months
10 x royalty rate of 3.5) = 35 percent
gees
cmon bro
this isnt made up from air
how else can u take those numbers and get the exact # that the jury damages
for aol
for gannet etc
they multipled by .35 look at the math
are u a jerrys kid?
do the mathematics you can only get the exact damages they awarded for each individual party.. one way
how do you not grasp that..
if u can prove the math another way.. then do so
dude the 3.5 percent royalty rate that they gave has nothing do with the 32 millin lump sum amt they awarded.
how do you not follow that?
dude.. i cant go on with you on this anymore
good luck to ya
and when that happened Steve kim made the comment that google was taking a risk..
by not presenting an expert to challenge dr beckers damage calculations..
but obviously they felt compelled to not respond with an expert of their own.
hence
he said.. if VRNG was to win.. i would use the expert calculations
hes a judge not a frigin CPA or mathematician
does that not make sense to you?
HOWEVER, it can be said he just meant that "in the event of a VRNG victory, and in the event that i would calculate future royalties, this is what i would use as well".
yes that is what he said.. and im sure the above is what he meant
he was letting google know..
if ur not gonna have an expert present revs
then this is what im going to go by if in fact.. VRNG does win.
Compensation paid to a franchiser or licensor on the basis of number of units produced or sold, instead of a lump sumroyalty.
Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/running-royalty.html#ixzz2BUmk6gEn
lump sum is present ( not future)
hence
running royalties ( future)
bro,
i agree with you
i just happened to reply to ur post
sorry
all the court has to go on
is expert witnesses
thats the way trials work
the jury.. in their deliberation.. had to make a judgement call..
jurors sometimes make crazy decisions.. ask any lawyer
however judge jackson stated to vrng and google in court
that he was going to apply the rate the jury decided..
which was? 3.5 % future royalty
hes not going to reinvent the wheel here folks
he stated he was going to use calculations established by expert witnesses
ask urself, do the dd, what was the estimated damages presented by the only expert witnesses in court?
doesnt matter that the jury gave only 32 million for lump sum damages...
lump sum damages for past infringement for 1 year... has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH FUTURE ROYALTIES
only ppl.. saying the opposite.. are ppl that are upside down and that are short.. VRNG
be smart ppl use ur brain
20 % ( increase of revenue as result from smart add increase x 3.5 %(industry rate) = $493,093,718
thats the only expert testimony for him to go by
it was in pacer files from court.
if u remember GOOGLE did not even present a expert witness for revenues..
i mean one of the questions the jury asked the judge during deliberations was :
can we give a lump some payment along with future royalty
and judge jackson said, "yes"
in the end
they gave a lump sum.. of 32 million dollars
and a running royalty of 3.5 %
and for all u ppl.. running royalty absolutely has to do with FUTURE
are u kidding me?
use ur brain people.
judge is gonna award future royalties off of expert testimony..
get off ur butts people.. and look at the expert testimony.. on revenues from the 20 % revs increased due to the I/p patents being used:
look at the evidence and do the freaking math
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByyR-FelC5OTYnBxSDNHNG0zazQ/view?sle=true
this isnt that difficult..
in my opinion
its simple.. if u did any research on the exhibits filed in court.. dr becker vrngs expert witness..
calculated 20 pecent of increase in ad revenues..
and stated 3.5 % was appropriate rate
obviously the jurors agreed.
3.5 % of the 20 percent increase in google revenues due to smartASS
were calculated at 27 million dollars per quarter
do the math.. its simple.
the judge stated many times he would take royalty rate from jury and would most likely use the expert testimony on future royalties
no good without a link friend.. can u post one please
one thing is for sure.. if VRNG wins this case.. ppl definitely are gonna wanna hold on to some shares for a rainy day.
lawsuits will be happening like crazy..
company will be collecting checks like mad.
regardless of the damages awarded no amt of $$ is better than a favorable ruling of infringement..
take down a giant.. the rest will come easy..
ZTE, MS (bing) etc.
ppl were saying oh $30 a share.. well maybe not for just this case..
but in future.. stock could be a real money maker with a infringement verdict.
i will not be taking all of my shares off thats for sure.
jmo
sure hope we have some jurors like Vel Hogan APPLE VS SAMSUNG
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57501314-37/apple-samsung-jury-foreman-recalls-aha-moment/
looking thru evidence..
sure seems like to me.. GOOGLE knew they were using patents..
especially if u read the proffer in response to the laches motion.
doesnt anyone think its funny.. that GOOGLE wont talk abt their "trade secrets" none of their experts can come up with where they got their search engine algos from"..
and they knew they were using lycos patents.. complete bs
i also think judge jackson.. ruled the laches motion to prevent GOOGLE from appealing any damages awarded to VRNG.
no judge is gonna want their last case to be appealed.
the ruling on laches motion, all tho, sucked for pps dropping.. but.. its forcing an end to this trial.
no way GOOGLE will risk appealing any damage awarded to VRNG.. or they open up.. being responsible for the past damages from 2005-2012.
according to everything weve heard.. VRNG was getting the better of GOOGLE in this trial for 3/4 of it.. the Judge could have seen that.. and known it..
only way to keep a monumental award against GOOGLE...
only way to come close to 'splitting of the baby' and the laches motion makes that happen.
i personally think the jury would have ruled quickly if they believe GOOGLE did not infringe.
jmo
i dont believe it did.. roughly 125k shares spiked it to 2.85.. 350k dollars roughly.. has nothing to do with message boards
where do you come up with this stuff?
its a majority vote wins.. its not a murder trial
they are not talking abt the questions, they are talking abt the patents and does not have to be unamious, has to be a majority.