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Matters Not, Show or Not, No One Cares...
And, how does one prove that something does not exist?
Link showing a certificate of non-existence?
Point is - Always an excuse to make GTGP different.
If JF is part of J3, it is not verification.
JF was also a part of influencing MSE for a bit.
Seems all verification leads back to JF.
That is not true verification.
Lots of imagination/rumors about J3 being GTGP's savior.
Of course, none of which can be verified. Why?
It is all speculated and no one really knows what is going on.
Just another GTGP pump/promo. Same ol', same ol'. Deja vu.
A presentation is not made credible just because it is presented.
The MBS-WL presentation was not invited to be showcased anywhere.
It was a general call for papers, and submittals are made.
Pretty much anyone can present if it is related to the conference.
And, changing who the presenter works for, gives no credibility.
Especially when excluding the conclusion of more lab testing needed.
But, that makes sense if JF is influencing all of this.
Hey, hope it all works out.
Still, Market hates uncertainty.
GLTA
Interesting, Always Some Reason Why GTGP is "Different"...
Yet another excuse,... now it's an NDA.
Seems that one has been used before.
There is no verification, other than JF.
But, that is what the GTGP promo depends on.
Letting imagination, hope, etc. work.
Lack of disclosure makes for uncertainty.
Market no likey uncertainty.
A WMC presentation does not give MBS any credibility.
Another leap of logic.
GLTA.
Why? This, "Verification," of Cement Plant Testing,...
... is, if one is to believe that JF/GTGP is involved with J3, coming from a presentation that is influenced by JF/GTGP. Verification from the same source is not any verification at all. Changing company names does not make it into a new and different source.
Also, even the J3 presentation keeps the cement plant nameless.
Now, why would they do that?
GLTA
So, What Do You Think About Today's Disclosure?
You probably have more experience at reading these SD reports than I do.
Looking forward to your thoughts.
Fortunately, That Disagreeing Opinion Matters Not, At All...
GTGP in Greys and WTF trading.
GLTA
Good Post. Hope the Best on Those Predictions...
Have to say that everything about this newly implied GTGP associated "J3" Jesus company, and all the goodness about to happen, apparently forgets that any GTGP material event or benefit is still supposed to be filed or PR'ed. And this implied knowledge about upcoming GTGP goodness could very well be considered as insider info, if truly related to GTGP.
Another thing that seems to be a leap-of-logic, is that because the presentation from "J3" shows it, it makes it verified goodness for GTGP. Not so sure about that. Reason is, if this "J3" outfit includes GTGP owner JF, then it indicates JF is merely verifying what JF has put out. So, really no verification at all here. And, it now makes sense why the MSE conclusions, of needing more lab testing, are now missing from the original presentation. But, everyone has their own definition of DD.
Since all of this GTGP goodness was apparently known since Monday, at latest (except by insiders), it is odd that the trading volumes of GTGP and "partners" EMHI and SLUP have not been skyrocketing. Yesterday's "Big Reveal" was interesting from the minimal volume participation. Same for today. Apparently, the Market is not that enthusiastic about what is implied. But, still have the rest of the week, month, year(s)...
Looks like reality of the Greys and WTF trading setting in.
GLTA
How About It?
Got It, Again, and Again, Thanks...
Not sure why it matters to EMHI.
But, appreciate the concern.
GLTA
Mixed Up, "Volume Indicates," With My Opinion...
You are correct that my opinion does not matter.
Volume, on the other hand, very well could.
But, to each their own.
GLTA
Sounds Great, Not So Sure It Helps...
Can read just about anything into it all.
Just a whole bunch more vague uncertainty.
Volume indicates Market does not seem to care.
GLTA
Nobody Cares, Volume For EMHI/GTGP/SLUP Indicate It...
Real presentation abstract indicated additional LAB testing required.
GTGP's version is the presentation, minus conclusion.
Market not fooled by GTGP leaving that out of GTGP's "abstract" version.
GLTA
Answers That Indeed Testing Done in Lab Setting...
Also, Bickford moved on.
No longer with MSE.
A J3 recommendation, not MSE
GLTA
Nice Comeback With SD SP Today...
Maybe it had something to do with today's after close news.
GLTA
Nope, Not Being a Bit Sharp At All...
At this point everything should be questioned about GTGP.
A convenient "abstract" appearing today on the company web site.
Appearing to entice newbies and fence sitters while providing hopium.
The real presentation has been previously given.
The real presentation abstract can be found here:
http://conferences.battelle.org/sediments/pdfs/abstractcollection.pdf
Large document. A search/find for "Bickford" will take you directly to the abstract for, "Strategies for Treating and Dewatering Contaminated Soils and Sediments Simultaneously."
Note that the real presentation abstract indicates more lab testing needed.
GLTY
GLTA
CRYFQ SP Hanging Well Considering Suspension/Greys...
Might also be Greywolf's disclosure looking like a new position.
Still, a risky lotto ticket with unknown possible reward.
Especially since more debt likely for survival to collect any award.
Additional debt, unfortunately, could mean additional give-aways.
GLTA
Suspended Stock SP Typically Lose 90%+...
So, the way CRYFQ opened makes sense if believable. Fat finger trades happen all the time, and it may actually have been a nickel first trade. Regardless, poking around in the dark without any bid/ask guidance is tough. As the first trade showed, those wanting to liquidate a lot of shares have to take whatever they can. My understanding is that both price and vulume must match for a trade, but those with market orders will get their volume broken up.
Will see lots of volatility with a good size gap for a little while depending on how optimistic the sellers are. Probably will continue through maybe middle of next week. Then volume will drop off over time and it become illiquid. Nothing worse than being a stuckholder.
Small positions do have better luck in being optimistic. Today's upside, on a couple of thousand shares, will give hope and maybe even get more buyers out and buying. There always seems to be an upside moment for a suspended stock, from "value" players.
In the end, where volume goes, shareprice follows.
GLTA
Still Nothing Disclosed by CRYFQ on Suspension...
Looks like Grey times for shareholders.
GLTA
Illiquid Market Surcharges May Be Another Reason...
Apparently, more and more brokers are assessing these fees.
From DTCC Board, Mikey...
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=72286614
Talk about being kicked while down. Last 30 days of GTGP volume data show trading about 4200 shares, over three days, could result in getting hit with Illiquid Market Surcharges. OUCH!
GTGP Volume Data/Calcs...
Last 30 Days Total Volume = 503,706
Average Daily Volume = 16,790
25% of Avg Daily Vol = 4,198
GLTA
Got a Tickle Reading the Ticker Listing...
The Feds do have a sense of humor.
C'mon, listing FROG then HAIR.
SEC Investor Bulletin: Trading Suspensions Link...
http://www.sec.gov/investor/alerts/tradingsuspensions.pdf
Appears your question is answered on Page 2. Monday is a US Trading Holiday. Crystallex resumes trading, in the Greys, Feb 21. However, if a broker-dealer for solicitation of a bid/ask takes them on, they could open in OTC/Pink. Just one catch. A Big One...
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2013/34-68836.pdf
"IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that Respondents shall file an Answer to
the allegations contained in this Order within ten (10) days after service of this Order, ... ."
and
"IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Administrative Law Judge shall issue an
initial decision no later than 120 days from the date of service of this Order,... ."
Crystallex must file a response to the SEC within 10 days of service. Also, the "Further Ordered" reads like it could be as long as 120 days on Greys, awaiting the initial decision.
Questions raised by the SEC suspension will make Broker/Dealers/MM's run fast and far from this ticker. Crystallex obviously was in arrears of required filings. However, the complaint alleges, "...lack of current and accurate information... ." So, might be more than just being current in filings. SEC does not comment on suspension investigations. Company could, but is already well beyond the four day SEC requirement for a material event. Thumbing their nose at SEC? Actually, going silent is pretty much SOP for suspended companies.
Who knows. Maybe Crystallex can talk its way out of it.
Would think a PR would be out immediately if Crystallex did.
Otherwise, this opens for Grey trading, Thursday, Feb 21.
GLTA
That is Greywolf's Annual Filing of CRYFQ Holdings...
Yes, it happened last year, and year before, etc.
Their filing requirements make it appear as a new position.
Anyway, it is the same position Greywolf has had for a while.
I believe it includes convertibles or options or whatever.
Kinda does not matter at this point. Well, it does to them.
GLTA
CCAA Court Filing, Dated February 13, 2013...
Feb 6 Order to Follow Up on Feb5 Endorsement:
Linke to Feb 13 Filing (Full Link Below)
GLTA
Full Link: http://documentcentre.eycan.com/eycm_library/Project%20Gem%5CEnglish%5CCourt%20Orders%5CCCAA%20Orders%5COrder%20of%20Justice%20Newbould%20dated%20February%206,%202013%20%28issued%20&%20entered%29.pdf
Abstract Link for MSE-TA Presentation, From Battelle Conference...
MSE-TA Presentation Abstract. Full Link at Bottom.
Large document pdf. A search/find for "Bickford" will take you directly to the abstract for, "Strategies for Treating and Dewatering Contaminated Soils and Sediments Simultaneously."
Mention of Waste Lock 770 being laboratory tested along with MBS.
GLTA
Full Link: http://conferences.battelle.org/sediments/pdfs/abstractcollection.pdf
Abstract Link for MSE-TA Presentation, From Battelle Conference...
MSE-TA Presentation Abstract. Full Link at Bottom.
Large document. A search/find for "Bickford" will take you directly to the abstract for, "Strategies for Treating and Dewatering Contaminated Soils and Sediments Simultaneously."
No Idea Why GTGP Would Not Be Forthright...
Maybe that is what... no, I can't.
I really don't know for sure. Well, kinda.
The gentleman yields the floor...
GLTA
Yep, That's the MSE-TA Presentation Abstract Link...
And, same abstract as the one I am holding now. Nice.
It is a large doc, and the MSE-TA abstract is about half-way through.
Searching for "bickford" will go directly to it.
Recap: Presentation is about go/no-go testing in the laboratory...
Specifically, testing of MBS and Waste Lock 77 under lab conditions...
Results indicate additional lab testing for repeatability needed.
GLTA
Obtained a Copy of the MSE-TA Presentation Abstract...
The WM2013 MSE-TA presentation, "Strategies for Treating and Dewatering
Contaminated Soils and Sediments Simultaneously," reviews the initial go/no-go MSE-TA laboratory testing of, specifically, Molecular Bonding System (MBS) and Waste Lock 770 (Waste Lock) to simultaneously treat and dewater soils and or sediments. In the laboratory, MSE-TA simulated contaminated soil by spiking soil with lead, mercury, cadmium, and chromium.
The abstract's "Results/Lessons Learned" indicates, “Follow-on treatability testing… ,” or, additional testing needed, of this MBS with Waste Lock combination, for repeatability. See Below. GTGP's promotion of this presentation as being an avenue for near-term shareholder reward, implying 2013 monetary income, appears deceptive.
"Go/No-Go" testing method... From Wikipedia: "In general go/no go testing refers to a pass/fail test (or check) principle using two boundary conditions. The test is passed only when the Go condition is met and also the No go condition fails. The test gives no information as to the degree of conformance to, or deviation from the boundary conditions."
Results/Lessons Learned, typed word for word from the Abstract: "The small scale go/no-go testing proved that MBS and Waste Lock can be added simultaneously to dewater and treat metals contamination to TCLP levels below regulatory standards for the simulated soil samples. Follow-on treatability testing will consist of testing soils spiked with mercury, cadmium, chromium, lead, nickel, and zinc because these metals were routinely used in industry and represent current treatment needs. The testing will be performed later this year using MBS and Waste Lock to obtain repeatable results."
Recap: Presentation is about go/no-go testing in the laboratory...
Specifically, testing of MBS and Waste Lock 77 under lab conditions...
Results indicate additional lab testing for repeatability needed.
Will try and locate a link as time permits.
GLTA
It is a Difficult CRYFQ Shareholder Situation...
Wish things could be painted better. The reality stinks, but needs to be said openly. Redirection of the pent-up anger there, now upon me instead of CRYFQ management, is no biggie.
Have a good one.
GLTA
Discovered a Colleague Attended the MSE-TA Presentation...
MSE-TA’s presentation, in fact, reviewed testing of MBS and Waste Lock.
To simultaneously treat and dewater soils and or sediments
Apparently, in a laboratory setting using spiked surrogate soil.
Recalls conclusion is additional testing for repeatability necessary.
Will see if an abstract is available.
GLTA
EMHI Floated a PR With Misleading Information?...
Maybe the reason for another day of EMHI zero volume.
My DD is truthful without added value comments.
Instructing me on how to perform DD is amusing.
Considering past history concerning EPA rulemaking DD.
If folks are speaking with JF, why no posts saying so? Odd.
Anyway, if EMHI is putting out misleading info, so be it.
Proof apparently is in the trading volume.
Marquis, Am Having the Same Experience...
Not able to get through to JF. No reply, etc.
Also, you are very correct that MSE-TA is not GTGP.
Appears the, "It should be noted... ." stuff is not WM2013 info.
No real WM2013 details indicate MBS is part of the MSE-TA presentation.
With the failed MSE-TA acquisition, who knows how exactly MBS will be brought across by MSE-TA during the presentation. Or, even if MBS will garner any mention by MSE-TA during the presentation.
MSE-TA presented last year too resulting in no sales of MBS.
Likely similar results from the MSE-TA presentation in WM2013.
GLTA
Ten Days, No Trades...What's Up With That?...
After that recent "BIG NEWS" EMHI PR...
Would think there would be more interest.
GLTA
It May Get the OTC/Pink "Yield" Sign Removed...
... and which really should help in moving forward.
Maybe even help SP. Fins make a world of difference.
Any indications that GNGR will become an SEC filer?
GLTA
The CRYFQ Conspiracy Theory Bells Sounding Loud...
... As having the ticker revoked gets rid of US commons. But, does it really? Since this trades (well, currently not) in Canada, maybe the stock will have value for US shareholders if it can trade in Canada, when it resumes trading. Seems it will depend on what management arranges for US shareholders if the ticker is revoked. When the ticker stopped trading in Canada, management made it a point that their stock could trade US OTC. So, maybe stock is stock and just have to find a broker that will do the deed. Of course there will be the hassle, blah, blah, and the fees, of course.
This certainly does put increased stress on US shareholders.
GLTA
Also Searched, and No GTGP/SLUP/EMHI in WM2013 Program...
This conference focuses on radioactive waste management. It has expanded to other forms of waste management such as metals and soil remediation, etc., But, the main focus is radioactive waste management.
ORNL, CH2M Hill, B&W, etc., always make a strong showing at this function.
An EMHI PR notes that MSE-TA presented a report last year at WM2012.
MSE Report Mentioned in June 2011 EMHI PR (Full link below)
The presentation resulted in no sales of the MBS product.
Has anyone actually confirmed that Jim F. will be in attendance?
GLTA
Full Link: www.marketwire.com/press-release/east-morgan-holdings-inc-shareholder-letter-updating-operations-pinksheets-emhi-1528112.htm
UCOR 90 Day Forecast. Possible GTGP RFP Gone/Disappeared...
http://info.ettp.energy.gov/90day/index.html
US Government contracts mandate full disclosure & transparency.
True even with ARRA funds that are even more closely accounted for.
The 3.5 year Waste Treatment and Processing RFP originally scheduled for Jan-Feb, then delayed estimated RFP issuance to April 2013, is no longer listed on the UCOR 90 Day Forecast.
Remediation RFP's apparently awaiting results of the treatability study.
2016. Maybe.
GLTA
Thanks Risi. Who Enforces the Move, FINRA?, DTCC?,...
... SEC?, or another alphabet soup outfit?
Will it automatically happen, or should it be reported?
There are bid/ask quotes, but no trades happening.
10 days.
Question - Is Going to Greys About Being Suspended,
...or the not trading for 10 days part?
Which is it that technically makes the ticker be moved to greys?