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Netshoe thank you! Your rebuke is well taken because you come from a position of major respect and bold strength and experience.I sure hope you are right concerning management and their integrity. What was your opinion on tbonezac's response to Doug about the class C& D shares? I am interested in your thoughts on that subject also? TEK
Netshoe now you owe us a summary about how some STRU longs who were posting their great DD and speculation hype but at the same time sold on the STRU highs and bought the lows adding to their accumulating postition. Of course they made more money to spend in the process. Is it not a fact that the spikes, runs or nite train need alot of selling while others are buying in and if the company is not putting great money stuff out the only ones to hype the rumors, speculation and potentials are the longs who want to make money and add to their position at the expense of new naive investors. They give them the scenarios of what a great future this stock has in 6 months or a year or two.I've been hearing that for years now. Then these longs are ready to sell on the next spike? But most longs don't let new investors know that they will be selling and buying along the way. They certainly don't post that for the newbies do they in their same posts? That doesn't make for good investment sense either just plain deceit. I've come to the conclusion that the only ones that I trust here are the ones who openly admit to buying and selling STRU for more accumulation and/or profits. Has one of the best hypers here increased his shares from 3-4 million to 5 million in the past 6 months but has only just recently openly admitted to selling some in March? But we didn't hear about his selling for more accumulation until 4 months later did we? Didn't some who hype this stock sell last winter or spring to buy the 505 offering? Hyping taking advantage of the lack of knowledge of new investors is just as corrupt IMO as the bashers. But then again a stock like STRU breeds this kind of activity until they can show us what kind of money they actually are making. I openly admit that I will be selling some or all on the next spike and look to buy back in on the next dip to my liking as it will come just like your friend Earl knows whats up with penny stocks. Alot of these cheerleader longs here are going to sell off some or all during the next run and won't admit it either. Forget all previous run price predictions.I see nothing but extreme volatility for STRU after relisting due to so many fake longs selling until STRU can show us the productivity so many have speculated. At least King Harley says what he's up to as most don't. I guess thats why I like him despite his violent threats and other nonsense. I know he thinks I'm shooting myself in the foot like Rmg does but it's time for the company to come out with contracts and not hide behind the SEC causing them delays and their supposed excuse of their competition getting advantage over them. Geezz were they in a black bubble at the WORLD PORK EXPO or did the BSF happen in the dark? Come on Doug we weren't born yesterday and your competition which was suppose to be 3-4 years away has now somehow got you so nervous? Maybe the difference in taste of TenderPrime is not that great? One begins to wonder? Anyone buying into these put off's by our CEO needs their head examined! I will continue to speak out on these issues and will not be deceitful. NO REAL MONEY NEWS AND WE CONTINUE TO DRIFT DOWN MORE EACH WEEK not because of bashers but because STRU doesn't want to release anything good until relisted so the SEC is giving everyone one heck of a buying opportunity. But why are so many STRUbies talking about other investment stocks on the STRU boards? Like Evil Gary I'm concerned over investor confidence and the sell off coming.Forget about slapping these guys on the back on what a great job they've done the past year if we go to the shareholders meeting at .28 cents a share. TEK
Ok Netshoe I've copied over here from the stock IFTP board work done on net earnings to give readers something to compare to STRU? Could you please do the same for STRU as they have done here in their post? I couldn't find anything like this in your work above. Any reasons why this net earnings is not much of a topic on the STRU boards like it is on others? I was wondering what STRU is generating in net earnings for their investors? If it's found in their financial statement then just post the page thanks. I wonder what the EPS [earnings per share] and PE actually are for STRU since net earnings seem to be an important issue even with the Pennies as seen here! Hey this dude even uses your famous word CHEERS so maybe you should check IFTP out as well? LOLOLO Thanks TEK
cheers infotopians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By: csuprof $$$$
Reply To: None Thursday, 28 Sep 2000 at 7:32 PM EDT
Post # of 68229
** The Bottom Line **
Ok, we've all read the CEO's letter, and not everything in there is as rosy as we'd like them to be in a perfect world. But let's look at the big picture here, the bottom line, what is ultimately the most important in the investing world--whether the company is generating net earnings for their investors.
Here are the projected earnings from the CEO's letter:
Quarter Projected Shares Earnings Per Share
3rd Qtr 2000 (Sept/Nov) 120,000,000 $ 0.021
4th Otr 2000 (Dec/Feb) 130,000,000 $ 0.034
1st Otr 2001 (Mar/May) 135,000,000 $ 0.042
2nd Otr 2001 (June/Aug) 140,000,000 $ 0.054
3rd Otr 2001 (Sept/Nov) 145,000,000 $ 0.067
4th Qtr 2001 (Dec/Feb) 150,000,000 $ 0.094
Total Fiscal 2001 150,000,000 $ 0.257
The way you compute the value of a stock is to multiply the earnings per share (over 1 year) times the PE. A reasonable PE for a solid company is between 20 and 30, and the number is usually toward the high end of that range for a company experiencing growth like IFTP is. As an example, then, the value of IFTP for the 3rd quarter assuming a PE of 30 would be .021 x 4 (to get earnings over 1 year) x 30 = $2.52. Take a look at the rest of the numbers
for PE's of 20 and 30:
PE=20 PE=30
3rd Qtr 2000 $1.68 $2.52
4th Otr 2000 $2.72 $4.08
1st Otr 2001 $3.36 $5.04
2nd Otr 2001 $4.32 $6.48
3rd Otr 2001 $5.36 $8.04
4th Qtr 2001 $7.52 $11.28
If you invest $1000 tommorrow at the current ask of .48, here's what that $1000 is projected to be worth in the coming quarters:
PE=20 PE=30
3rd Qtr 2000 $3500 $5250
4th Otr 2000 $5667 $8500
1st Otr 2001 $7000 $10500
2nd Otr 2001 $9000 $13500
3rd Otr 2001 $11167 $16750
4th Qtr 2001 $15667 $23500
As you see, IFTP is worth $1.68 to $2.52 per share RIGHT NOW, this quarter. So we are in position to see this stock move up to about 3X to 5X its current price, allowing you, as an investor, to get a 300-500% return in just a couple of months. Or 11X to 17X your money in one year. A really good retirement fund gets you a 20-30% return in year in today's market. IFTP can potentially get you a 1100-1700% return!!! And folks, remember, this is based on
real numbers and real profits that are coming in right now, not speculation about new products and new sources of revenue. So we can be pretty confident in the numbers, particularly for the next couple of quarters.
One other thing. Investors don't usually like the addition of shares and get nervous with any word of dilution. But this is required for the continued growth and long-term health of a start-up like IFTP. But regardless of that, KEEP IN MIND THAT THE PROJECTED EARNINGS ALREADY FACTOR IN THE INCREASED NUMBER OF SHARES. For example, if you look at the listing for the 3rd quarter earnings, the EPS is assuming 120K free-trading shares. So again, even with
the addition of shares, we're still talking about a 300-500% return in a couple of months. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long; ST Rating- Strong Buy; LT Rating- Strong Buy)
Netshoe sorry if I implied that STRU had no revenues as the great work you've done above this board here shows the revenue streams.But Doug said he would let us know more about IBP deal and hasn't and that promise was back in March. What about all the rest of those revenue streams and money coming in, any news lately? No.I agree with your # 6 above and hope it is true as I have $42,000 averaging .22 cents a share in this and I'm getting very tired of Doug's put offs just because we are pink or their competition issues unless there is in fact no major increases of NEW Money NEWS to report then I am an idiot. The volume into the pennies market last year is no longer here at those levels and for that reason STRU better wake up because even more investors will pull out as the major markets continue to correct and STRU's current support levels will break just like in the major markets having support levels broken recently. The principals or basics are the same with variations as you've pointed out. Some think I am a nuts for raising certain issues but then management should start looking at investor confidence issues and better not attempt to put us off more during the shareholders meeting buying them more time to produce things.They better have the goods this time around for me as it's been 4 years now for me in STRU. My patience is running thin. So what is your time lines with this penny investment? Willing to wait 4 years? Have you gone through a reverse split losing $ with them or being left with an incredible amount of O/S and float shares because longs and others now in this company that I could shock you naming have sold shares with many having restricted shares now? How about that float issue scaring investors away here? To over come that issue they need something big. Just remember this one thing Lloyd it's possible to sway an entire nation into one man's way of thinking. And that took time and persuation didn't it? We better raise the right questions. I hope you go to the meeting with your tough ones.If anyone can sock it to them you can and we won't throw it out to the public "that dirty laundry" either.Unless you go kissing their feet. It's our money. Thanks TEK
The market is changing folks and STRU will be forced to disclose their sales soon as this investment cannot remain in the potential realm much longer. It must show revenue, sales or contracts if they want to attract new investors or the share price goes further south. Last year there was an overflow due to market conditions balloned by potentials and speculation from the major exchanges into small and microcap stocks and just about anyone could have thrown a dart at any stock worth anything potentially and made money from Jan to March 2000 but not so now! Investors are seeing a major exchange correction back to the principals based on earnings [real numbers] and this will flow down into STRU eventually just like it did last March based on potential. STRU hiding what it's doing because of the competition has now become a major problem for them IMO. STRU must come out with the goods or this stock will correct further because like a ballon the potential air now filling the price will be let out. More selling of STRU to purchase other micro's with revealed revenue's being made known to the investment community presents STRU with another competitive field that we don't hear much about.....> other penny stocks! Yep they are STRU's competion also for shares and money invested when you consider volume into this arena of micro's has decreased compared to last year and narrowing the playing field. So take IFTP for example they are showing their stuff in #'s and people are acccumulating based on revenue.I wonder how many sold STRU recently and bought IFTP? STRU must move with the herd mentality or be left behind until they decide to reveal their stuff despite the competition. Personally I think they won't and we are going to see further delays shaking out more of those who won't be able to endure financially the postponing delays.The share holders meeting Oct 28th will be one huge move by STRU to capture the investors in a deal to buy STRU more time and keep most happy which just plain spells more DELAYS here.I hope I'm wrong but thats my call so you experts rip it apart please? TEK
Bleckgirl you must remember that it took almost 57 days for the SEC to have comments given to STRU the first time. All in one lump sum of comments. In that amount of time the case worker became very familiar with STRU. The same case worker is probably doing the refiling. Investors have been calling them. Didn't Doug ask for that to stop? I wouldn't think that this case worker would take another 30 days to review the answered comments. I have heard that the questions get handled right away but it is just opinion. Like others say I don't think STRU would have called for a share holders meeting if they thought the process would take that long. I believe that all the comments will be dealt at once and STRU's answers hopefully won't generate any more comments and we can get relisted in early to mid October. That is what I'm hoping for.If not STRU will have something huge to blast away the rolling pattern established by investors now 4 times on the pinks. Believe me Doug knows the trading game and how it works and that's a fact. Best of success to you. IMO TEK
Thanks Robert! If I don't catch you in Villa Park Monday then have a great BSF Grand Opening. Be sure to come back loaded with the lastest of the latest as we certainly need something here to lift this stock from drifting slowly downward don't we? If they cancel the reservation of rooms for the supposed share holders meeting I will for sure try to get more STRU at the new lower prices. Who would have ever guessed? TEK
Netshoe thanks for clearing that up! Those few possiblly up to 35 lucky ones out of the unlimited # of people in the 505's. Maybe I should have tried. Knowledge and stroking is money in this business! There's always a crack somewhere. Too late is my middle name! When does the "making it" part kick in here? Not today as here we go again setting up for another roll down .03 last I checked. Put your GTC's in for .54 traders. Number 5 roll here we come! The good old Pennies what fun! LOLOL TEK
Question? Was the 505 a real one or just a STRU private exclusive offer. The rules say requirements are for alot less people than the 91 people who bought into this 3 year deal from STRU. PR didn't say 505 either.So we all just like attaching #'s to stuff now? If that is true why are posters saying 505 when it is not? Also I learned if true facts that they were sold at 5,000 lot shares and that you had to have 3/4 mill in net assets not including your STRU stock to qualify.I sure hope that for what ever reason STRU made this offer that they kept it to their qualifications and didn't play any favorites. I know one long who sold in March and then bought [40] 5,000 blocks at $1.00 a share getting in around May. I wouldn't have qualified but one would have been stupid not to sell off to buy into this private offering if they could qualify? It was out during the spike in March. If I had sold STRU out in March and then bought the offering after one year selling 1/6 every 6 months with the 7.5 forward or whatever it was I'd be even at these current STRU prices and have over 1 million shares which is 5 times what I have now and since things are now taking so long coming to reality here and still in the faking stages then what the heck. Heck I'd be at .13 cents a share. My average share price is .22 cents now! End of story! I'll be looking at the float size in November. EOM. TEK
Question? Were the 504 and 505 offerings set up by STRU filled just after the biggest spikes in share price in May 1999 and March 2000 respectively and did alot of longs who were in this stock under .20 cents sell some of their original positions at those times to buy into these offerings? Just curious but I don't really expect honest answers to such private questions would you? They know the answer at the main office in Charleston don't they? Pretty good timing if you ask me. Maybe STRU is rolling longs money better than longs playing the roll? Who is the real master here? It will be interesting to see under what stock price conditions the 506 will come, very interestttinngggg! Restricted shares are protected against reverse splits are they not ? My original SIRC/STRU restricted shares were protected from the reverse split in 1998. Or does someone need to educate me further? Something to consider with all the R/S fears bouncing around these boards of late. Some 505 longs are sitting very nicely IMO. Unfortunately STRU upped the ante from 504's/.04 cents to 505/ $1.00 per share for 200,000 share blocks? So the next 506 may just even narrow the field down to the extremly millionaire wealthy longs? Of course unless something happens inbetween. If my facts on the offerings are not correct please accept my apology but at least one can get my drift of questions? I am learning the games being played by all which is business right? Has it come down to running out of STRU family money? I mean you can only bleed so much from the same crowd as it narrows down concerning offerings and the time conditions. These shares or 1/6[505] can be sold starting this November? Will this increase the float? I was impressed by the 30,000 investors # of late. Although it still looks like the need for the infusion from another player is still the next level? And with that is the R/S scenario. It would be nice if more of the average players could get into the next 506. Come on Doug how about it? You do have concerns about all of us blue collar people as well don't you? And remember selling STRU to the MM's helped the spike did it not? So who mastered the big spike STRU's offerings or the MM's? Yes those incentives to liquidate did come in handy didn't they. Just some late night Sunday thoughts. TEK
Just as I would have expected today's close of up .04 cents on today's PR concerning the BSF and accompaning news. I think that it's time to see contracts and revenue news for this stock price to begin to get somewhere and not be so undervalued as STRU has said of themselves. Enough of the fantastic tech stuff lets see sales sales sales sales sales sales!!!!!!!! If they wait to release revenue PR's until they are off the pinks we will sink or drift back down again into the .30's which sets up for another roll and sell off in the mid .50's unless we get a huge contract PR. The foundation model is just about completed with some additions coming but now it's time to go get them there sales STRU! Personally I don't think the actual Grand Opening of the BSF will have a share price affect anymore than the Pork Expo did. For future and media exposure it will produce investment interest and share value but not now. For me STRU is one heck of a beautiful business model but her baby is sales and that brings home the bacon for us! GO STRU! TEK
Netshoe we anxiously await your summary of the refiling? Concerning the share price today? Now there's been 4 rolls on the pinks of around .20 cents or more. I absolutely don't believe the sell off today starting yesterday late was due to disgruntled STRU investors bailing. This is from those familiar enough with this stock who are playing these rolls for small change waiting for the bigger run with more shares. Call them insiders, day traders or STRU longs or whoever but the fact remains it's happening and now more than ever alot of us know for sure the intentions of many who watch this stock for a roll. It will take in my opinion a big revenue contract PR to bust this rolling game. The PR possibly coming out soon on non- surgical ET and these new piglets born along with the grand opening of the BSF announcement won't give us a huge spike but just more established potential fantastic technology, exposure with the media and just possibly another small roll of price if in the next few days we retract back to the high .30's. I strongly believe from watching this stock so closely since late February that we will see the same pre-movement in price upward as we saw last Friday and Monday before the refiling PR right before there will be a big revenue contract PR.This will be our cue. This is because of insiders who know before most of us whats coming and start buying and others jump aboard for the ride. When we get PR's when there hasn't been a day or two pre move up in price then they are usually what's termed fluff not affecting the price much or it could even go down some. That has happened with STRU. Some PR's can have a stabilizing affect on the share price not a run up. Other views welcomed. Go STRU! TEK
Finally congratulations all STRU investors! Refiling! Yea! Now we wait to hear about further sales contracts I hope soon and hopefully STRU will not be shy in PR's on the pinks any longer. Concerning the price movement today it hit limit order sells at near .56 cents which I feel was the stopper because that was the previous high back on July 3rd and people trade guessing this stock had these GTC orders in for awhile now is my opinion. I hope momentum tomorrow will bust through this game some are playing with this stock at that range as more find out about refiling tonight. We saw this game played when alot of selling at the .60 to .85 cent range last March 2000 because the previous high in May of 1999 was there abouts and people try to guess the next stopping price just under it slightly but to their profit loss if they weren't watching the next day STRU took us up to $1.60 and some lost out who went out to play and I know that as fact from another STRU investor. Now don't go out to play tomorrow as it may just be bigger and better. Lets blast these trading GTC games to shreads STRU Go Baby!! IMO! TEK
Holidays - Schmalodays! Remember last 4th of July weekend when the STRU price went up .06 cents or more on a half trading day on Monday July 3rd in N.Y. Then a day off for the 4th and the next full trading day the price fell off the gains! Lets try another wild guess the pop or refiling? Anything could happen no one knows! Come on STRU refile on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday next week PLEASE! TEK
Hello Stru investors and Netshoe! I find it all very hard to understand that so many talented STRU longs can do all kinds of great DD but when it comes to the SEC rules we can get 10 different interpretations. The same thing that happened in late March and early April is now happening with the question over whether the 1st and 2nd quarter financials are included in the refiling and when being by the 8/15th? Doesn't anyone have connections to a lawyer who deals with the SEC besides our company man Lane that can read their legalize codes? With the communication blackout with STRU over the SEC process I find all this very disappointing to say the least and I've owned this stock for 3 3/4 years now. Someone please renew my faith in this management about it's ability to affectively communicate with investors as it's at an all time low. I am no longer the long I use to think I was unless the refiling happens soon and revenue streams look fantastic. How much can one take? Well the answer to that I hope will be found in the refiling information soon but the long delayed wait is getting a little ridiculous in my opinion. For me all reasonable share price predictions are now thrown away and new ones will be made after reviewing the refiling due to current investor sentiments. STRU management keeps saying each week soon or shortly? Come on STRU refile this week and renew our hopes and dreams! TEK