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Golfbum: I wish there were new products to discuss!
The trickle of skylake architecure 14nm chips is entirely competent but kind of boring. There are no consumer optane SSDs. AMD kind of stole Intel's thunder with their Threadripper hype. The press is kind of falling back into AMD is the underdog and ooooooh cheaper mode. It makes me wonder what kind of reception Skylake X is going to receive. The last enthusiast focused product was Devil's canyon(2nd gen Haswell spin) and then Intel sort of went on cruise control. Here's hoping they turn it around :(
Fiat cars will soon have Intel under the bonnet
BMW Group, Intel and Mobileye announced today that they have signed a memorandum of understanding with Fiat Chrysler to be the first automaker to join them in developing a world-leading, state-of-the-art autonomous driving platform for global deployment.
This means that the maker of the Fiat 500 will join with the company that copied it to create self-driving technology under the control of Intel chips.
The development partners intend to use each other's individual strengths, capabilities and resources to enhance the platform's technology, increase development efficiency and reduce time to market.
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/44308-fiat-cars-will-soon-have-intel-under-the-bonnet
chipguy: It was stupid to join the council in the first place...
So from that perspective I suppose you have a point.
Intel officially reveals Ice Lake details...
On the desktop, Core processors will go from 14 to 14+ to 14++, such that we move from Skylake to Kaby Lake to Coffee Lake. On the Laptop side, this goes from 14 to 14+ to 14++/10, such that we move from Skylake to Kaby Lake to Coffee Lake like the desktops, but also that at some time during the Coffee Lake generation, Cannon Lake will also be launched for laptops. The next node for both after this is 10+, which will be helmed by the Ice Lake architecture.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11722/intel-reveals-ice-lake-core-architecture-10nm-plus
Intel Core i9-7960X LN2 Run Geekbench Score Leaked – Achieves 5.4 GHz On All Cores
A few weeks ago I posted the Geekbench 4.0 score of the Intel Core i9-7960X which were much lower than expected, leading us to the conclusion that this was either due to the processor being an engineering sample, or, unoptimized bios or microcode.
Intel Core i9-7960X LN2 OC run achieves 78323 points in Geekbench v3
Unlike the last leak however, this particular score is from Geekbench v3. The Core i9-7960X scores 5804 points in the single core benchmark and an incredibly impressive 78323 points in the multi core variant of the same. Keep in mind while v3 and v4 are not comparable on a 1-1 basis, this is still a very huge delta (more than a 100% increase) from the performance we saw in the last benchmark although one done on LN2. To put this into perspective, an old Xeon 22 core part scores around the same in Geekbench v3. The base clock of the variant we saw before was 2.5 GHz, this one is clocked at 2.7 Ghz, which is more in-line with Intel’s latest Core-X update.
http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-7960x-optimized-geekbench-v3-score-leaked/
borusa: What a fine word salad...
borusa: because anonymous comments are from informed, technical people :P
Do you take the alt right trolling/russian botnet of liberal analysts as informed and thought out opinions also?
Ian did a comprehensive fair review. He included TONS of benchmarks and found out some interesting things. Intel's 10 core is very close and superior in more than 1 case to a 12 core Threadripper even in M/T workloads. And Core i9 10 core beats the 16 core in some m/t benchmarks. It also points out that Cinebench, AMDs favorite showcase, does show very good results on TR. BUT, Intel's slide IS right. Some software does not deal with TR's NUMA well or Zen's architecture. WinRAR being a shining example. The bottom line is that TR is cheaper. It competes on price. And you would have to be an idiot to buy it for gaming. So it is hardly the second coming :P
borusa: Ars Technica would be the fanboi favorite...
But those in the know, know that Ian Cuttress is an experienced and fair reviewer. I have no idea who Mark Walton is. But the title of that article makes it clear what bias they have. One thing they do get right: you're probably an idiot if you are considering Threadripper. The workloads that benefit from it are the exception and not the rule. And to game properly, hit that reset button! LOL. Not that any gamer should consider that overpriced monstrosity...
Threadripper reviews are in...
Edit: Intel's 10 Core i9 part is the baseline for comparison in this
I think Anandtech's is the best. The general conclusions are that there are certain workloads that do benefit from 16 cores. They are kind of rare. Cinebench multithread is clearly AMDs showcase scenario. For whatever reason that workload really likes the Zen architecture and more cores. But the waters get quite a bit muddier in other workloads. Handbrake is probably is the most interesting. Threaderipper loses to the 10 core Intel part in LQ H264 but barely wins on HQ H264. HEVC 4k gives Intel a slight edge. AMD gets a pretty big win on 7 zip in decompression but loses to the 10 core in compression on the same benchmark. WinRAR is a big loss for Threadripper. And Intel is VERY competitive with the 12 core Threadripper with the 10 core and in fact beats it on more than one occasion. Sadly to really make a smart decision, you need to run your particular workload. And if you aren't sure, Intel's better consistency is probably the safer path.
One interesting note: AMD had to implement a gaming mode because many cores confuse some games. It basically turns off numa and makes the memory faster. The stupid thing is that you have to REBOOT the machine to use it. Talk about annoying...
So AMD is left with what we thought: selling more cores for less. It is a nice high profile launch. It does look like their lead will be short lived. The higher Intel core counts should be the performance leader in high thread friendly benchmarks in about a month in a half.
Anandtech Encoding tests:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11697/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-and-1920x-review/10
Skylake X frequencys are final...
I was sort of surprised at the low frequencies but I saw on TMFChipfool's twitter feed that the all core turbo will be 3.4ghz on the 18 core part so performance should be there. Still it is weird that the Server part has a higher base frequency. I have noticed that AMD tends to use Cinebench to show case Threadripper. It seems to scale pretty well on AMD architecture but I noticed certain other workloads do not scale very well. It will be interesting to see the benchmarks. Other interesting data: 165W TDP is 15W lower than Threadripper. Intel has double the L2 cache but less L3. The new mesh architecture seems like it would be more efficient so thats why Intel shrank it and AMD has some latency issues because of the infinity fabric in certain cache scenarios.
On the specification side, the higher-end CPUs get a kick up in TDP to 165W to account for more cores and the frequency that these CPUs are running at. The top Core i9-7980XE SKU will have a base frequency of 2.6 GHz but a turbo of 4.2 GHz, and a Favored Core of 4.4 GHz. The turbo will be limited to 2 cores of load, however Intel has not listed the ‘all-core turbo’ frequencies which are often above the base frequencies, nor the AVX frequencies here. It will be interesting to see how much power the top SKU will draw.
One question over the launch of these SKUs was regarding how much they would impinge into Intel’s Xeon line of processors. We had already earmarked the Xeon Gold 6154/6150 as possible contenders for the high-end CPU, and taking the price out of the comparison, they can be quite evenly matched (the Xeons have a lower turbo, but higher base frequency). The Xeons also come with multi-socket support and more DRAM channels, at +60% the cost.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11698/intel-finalizes-skylakex-processor-specifications-18cores-44-ghz-165w-on-september-25th
mmoy: agreed...
My smartphone was averaging like 60Mbps last I checked and it does have a Qualcomm modem. But I am not exactly sure what you are supposed to do with all that bandwidth? Streaming 4k video on a phone seems ludicrous and still uses far less bandwidth than is available and wastes your data. Why bother on a tiny 5 inch screen??? Most of the time I get updates it's at home where I have WiFi. It should also be pointed out that the modem Apple is currently(7360) using was not the top of Intel's line. According to Ashraf on TMF, Apple is using the more capable XMM 7480 for the iPhone 8.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/mobile/modem-solutions.html
borusa: here's a question...
What excuse are you going to use when AMD fails this time? They got some good hype from the press. But I am not seeing a lot of server design wins. Are we going to fall back to big bad Intel isn't playing fair? Intel had a record quarter last quarter. AMD lost money...
borusa: I was there lol
I know the truth. But feel free to spew delusional nonsense.
Borusa: None of those companies said a thing...
And none of them particularly benefited from AMDs shakedown. Get a clue.
borusa: LOL
You haven't looked at Intel's prices on the Platinum parts have you :P
Google it lol. And yes they will get companies willing to pay for cutting edge performance. Gosh I noticed that all those neat racks Dell announced at Siggraph: 100% Xeon Scalable. I wonder why? /sarcasm off
Unkwn: you are no longer Unknown...
Your complete misinterpretation of the facts lets me know all I need to know. AMD is not at parity with Intel on process technology and Intel will soon release 10nm, which even 7nm won't beat. Wow. You really don't understand the semi market. Fact: AMD does have reasonably competitive products in the desktop market. Fact: the market they are able to address, desktops, is shrinking. Fact: most desktops ship with integrated graphics. Fact: AMD did finally ship a competitive server chip. Fact: it will take years of building infrastructure to make any gains there. Fact: you have a pretty shallow understanding of all this.
Borusa: the 32 core AMD chips are all 2.2GHZ and lower...
And for reference, Intel's highest end 28 core processor is clocked at 2.5GHZ base frequency.
So you should really think about wtf you are saying before you say something patently untrue. And packaging 4 chips is a clever hack but if AMD could infact produce monolithic core chips, it would. Packaging for a 4 die package is fairly expensive and basically gluing together 4 desktop parts.
borusa: since when is it disparaging...
To correctly point out that Epyc is 4 desktop chips glued together?
borusa: Intel Inside marketing funds still exist...
And Hp gets some. Dell gets some. Lenovo gets some. Anywhere you see an Intel sticker, that company probably got marketing funds. Competitive match pricing STILL exists. Marketing dollars still exist. Get used to it, it's all perfectly legal :)
borusa: alienating more folks I see...
I was there during that period. We got training on anti-trust every year I was at Intel and lawyers were everywhere. Intel plays to win but it plays fair. You are terribly ignorant and don't know wtf you are talking about as usual. I did however witness AMD's highly misleading benchmarketing first hand though. So stop pretending they are some paragon of virtue.
Dell announces updated Precision lineup at SIGGRAPH
On the hardware side, the new lineup consists of 5820, 7820, and 7920 Towers as well as a 2U 7920 rack. All incorporate the latest Skylake-X processors, and according to Dell, are designed with flexibility in mind. One of the unique features on the new lineup is bringing PCIe to the front of the chassis where custom devices, such as large removable storage, can be used without entering the chassis. This includes SATA, SAS, PCIe M.2/U.2 NVMe SSDs.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11683/dell-announces-updated-precision-lineup-at-siggraph
borusa: it must really burn...
That Intel keeps cranking out record quarters. Raking in billions. While AMD continues to lose money.
Elmer: The U and Y parts...
Are low power laptop cpus. Typically dual core. Y is what used to be the Core M and 6w TDP? part if I remember for ultrathin laptops. And U is the 15w TDP ultrabook type processor. If only the Y part ships it is a bad sign becaue that means that 10nm is very low volume. If the U part ships that is a good sign because that is relatively high volume. Examples: Core i7 7600U Core i7 7y75
Client Computing group up 12% year over year
Anyone know what the Programmable solutions group is? Is that Altera?
Key Business Unit Revenue and Trends
Quarterly Year-Over-Year
Q2 2017 vs. Q2 2016
Client Computing Group $8.2 billion up 12%
Data Center Group $4.4 billion up 9%
Internet of Things Group $720 million up 26%
Non-Volatile Memory Solutions Group $874 million up 58%
Programmable Solutions Group $440 million down 5%
Intel Reports Record Second-Quarter Revenue of $14.8 Billion
GAAP Operating Income of $3.8 Billion, Non-GAAP Operating Income of $4.2 Billion
Company Raises Full-Year Revenue and EPS Outlook
News Summary:
• Record second-quarter revenue up 14 percent year-over-year (excluding Intel Security Group) with strong
performance in client computing (up 12 percent) and data-centric* businesses (up 16 percent).
• GAAP earnings per share (EPS) was $0.58 and non-GAAP EPS was $0.72, up 22 percent year-over-year
driven by strong topline growth and gross margin improvement.
• Intel raises full-year revenue outlook by $1.3 billion to $61.3 billion; raises full-year GAAP EPS outlook by $0.10
to $2.66 and non-GAAP EPS by $0.15 to $3.00.
• Launched Intel’s highest performance products ever: the Intel® Core™ X-Series family for advanced gaming,VR and more, as well as Intel® Xeon® Scalable processors, which offer data center customers huge
performance gains for artificial intelligence (AI) and other data-intensive workloads.
https://s21.q4cdn.com/600692695/files/doc_financials/2017/Q2/Earnings-Release-Q2-2017.pdf
Elmer: Agreed...
Papermaster from AMD mentioned they had to do quad patterning at 7nm. I hadn't heard of that before. They also talked about the cost of the masks going way up. Process technology advances feel like they are going to be painful for everyone and the pace will be slowed. But it is so unlike Intel to have this much of a delay. Hopefully they will do an update on 10nm on the earnings call today.
Unknwn: Uh no...
The graphics card business was NOT weak. Ethereum miners PREFER AMD video cards to the point that people were inflating the price and gamers COULDN'T get them. There was a big supply problem because demand outstripped supply. Wake up. Ryzen did ok but graphics helped out AMD a lot more than they are willing to admit. As to the console business, it is low margin shit. Pay attention to history. Intel literally walked away from the original Xbox because it dragged down margin and hasn't bothered with it since. What is Intel's growth? Intel netted 3 Billion dollars in Q1. Actual profit here and now. And Intel hasn't lost it's lead in process technology. 14nm is still better than "10nm" on the foundry side. Seriously, stop smoking crack.
Borusa: Can't deny AMD is still not profitable...
And they are just bad at business. You and Andy can shake your pom poms as hard as you can. Not making money=failure. Maybe they become profitable next quarter. Maybe not. They had really good conditions this quarter. And still failure...
AMD still unprofitable in perfect storm market
So AMD sold every graphics card it could make because of ethereum miners. Many of those are now on ebay, so get em while they are cheap:)
And a full quarter of Ryzen processors were sold. And still managed to lose .02 cents a share(-16 million dollars). Total revenue was 1.22 billion. Ethereum keeps getting hacked and robbed so the graphics card surge won't last and is already tapering off. What will it take to get AMD profitable??? For all the bragging, this is still the same old loser. But next quarter...to the moon! /sarcasm off
http://www.businessinsider.com/amd-q2-2017-earnings-2017-7
AMD's Papermaster says 7nm is a tough lift
AMD supreme dalek Mark Papermaster says that moving to 7nm is proving a “tough lift".
To gear up for 7nm, “we had to literally double our efforts across foundry and design teams...It’s the toughest lift I’ve seen in a number of generations,” perhaps back to the introduction of copper interconnects, he told EE Times.
The 7nm node requires new “CAD tools and [changes in] the way you architect the device [and] how you connect transistors—the implementation and tools change [as well as] the IT support you need to get through it”, he said.
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/processors/44151-papermaster-says-7nm-is-a-tough-lfit
bor: half the board has you on ignore...
boring: you aren't paying attention...
I don't think BK is a very good CEO. The previous worst Intel CEO was probably Craig Barrett. I think they have made some terrible acquisitions: basis, McAfee and a dozen others have been failures. I am not happy about how they are executing on Altera but that may yet bear fruit. And I do think they got fat and happy with processor roll outs. That being said, they still have the best cpu architecture. Intel has the best server cpus.
Intel has the best consumer cpus. And they still have the best process technology. The problem with process technology is that if you do each node right, it gets harder each time. 14nm was a challenge. 10nm is a bigger challenge and 7nm will be harder still. Oh and that 10nm process TSMC claims is 10nm, is marketing bullshit. And so are many of AMDs benchmarketing claims.
borusa: still embarrasing yourself I see...
Threadripper for 1000 Alex
Boring to stupid: I only wish you knew how little you know
borusa: all X86 chips that run 10+ cores will run hot...
It is physics you dolt. These aren't low frequency ARM crap. Threadripper does have a decent frequency but it runs at 180W TDP(which only estimates average temps) and the only cooler to claim to be compatible dissapates 300W. Now do the math. LOL
borusa: it's the same bloody chip lol
They just fuse off various features...
Intel puts Movidius AI tech on a $79 USB stick
Not sure what to make of this? Interesting though.
The Myriad 2 VPU housed inside the Movidius Neural Compute Stick provides powerful, yet efficient performance – more than 100 gigaflops of performance within a 1W power envelope – to run real-time deep neural networks directly from the device," said Movidius VP Remi El-Ouazzane, "This enables a wide range of AI applications to be deployed offline.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/07/20/intel-movidius-ai-tech-79-dollar-usb-stick/
Borusa: we will know for sure soon enough...
But I wouldn't bet against 3.2GHZ 4.2 Turbo...
borusa: I am surprised it clocked as high as it did...
But it is outputting 180w TDP. And it will clearly do more than that at 100% load. But it clocks exactly like Ryzen. So its not exactly shocking. And I am certain you will need a monster cooler for it:
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58482/arctics-liquid-freezer-ready-ryzen-threadripper/index.html
boring: I actually think that maybe wrong...
I know all the sites are saying that it's 2.9GHZ but Intel already makes 2 Xeon parts that are similar:
12 core Xeon Gold 6146 which runs at 3.2GHZ base and 4.2GHZ turbo.
18 Core Xeon Gold 6154 which runs at 3.0GHZ base and 3.7GHZ turbo.
So there maybe some reason why they lowered the frequency. But Intel is clearly capable of making it faster. Also the turbo is missing in that document which suggests it maybe also be a placeholder.