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good to know. GL to you
haha even nicer try.
ha nice try yet again. im not sure who is more creative with the numbers, you or black
Ha nice try.
If you looked at what i posted, even at a very conservative level, assuming the O/S was..
1. Only about 305mil the first half of the year (based on info from company, it was quite a bit higher than that, but for the sake of the argument well make it lower)
2. Then about 155mil up to Sep 30 (last time the company gave us the actual O/S)
3. Then down to 1, yes ONE, outstanding share for the entire last quarter
...it is impossible to get 170mil weighted O/S average. The weighted avg comes out to about 191 mil , which higher than the number the company gave us by about 20 mil shares and unless i'm mistaken, there is no way the O/S went down to only 1 outstanding share
How is the company getting 170mil weighted avg shares outstanding???? there is no way to add it up if you ask me.
Heres the calculation again:
IMO
Alot of people are going to hate me for posting this, but here it goes....
I was trying to figure out how HNSS got the weighted average for the O/S for the year of 2010. So i did the math, and this is what i came up with (it blew my mind!!!!!!):
Based on their PRs, and filings on OTC markets website, they said the weighted average number of shares outstanding for the year ending Dec 31, 2010 was - 170,833,333
My Sources:
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/HNSS/financials
http://www.healthnostics.com/news.php
IMHO there is no way the weighted O/S can be 170,833,333. Feel free to check my math..
IMO
i dont see how so if they have no problem covering based on the data from the short interest report.
if they have no open short interest, how would a cusip change put them against the rope?
even assuming that they had naked short phantom shares laying around, why wouldnt they cover them if the possibility of a cusip change is around the corner? apparently covering shares doesnt seem to be a problem (according to the short interest report).
are they that stupid? that reasoning doesnt make sense to me
I actually did number 1 a while back, and took my loss, at a higher pps than we are at now. was it a failed flip, yes. but it would have been an even bigger fail if i held till now
i dont hold any long or short positions in HNSS currently or since then, and actually never have been short so no one accuses me of that
i only stick around to learn about the things i should avoid. i hope i am wrong for all the longs sakes
if the pps does ever go up, it wont be sustained, and it wont be because of company fundamentals but instead will only be because some pump takes advantage of the disclosure or some other piece of news to bring in new investors and volume, just to see the pps come crashing back down IMO
Its called a forward-looking statement. Management can change its mind at anytime. Its only illegal if they never planned to do it in the first place, which i do not have proof of
in case you dont read the fine print at the end of the PR, ill post it for you:
that doesn't prove my post is inaccurate
let me ask you,
1. What ever happened with the CE process?
2. What ever happened with the 10mil offer to purchase shares that was 'concluded'?
3. What does 'concluded' mean? Did they buy them or did they not?
4. No disclosure has been filed yet. Time is running out. I expect to hear about some kind of delay due to recent acquisitions, JV, or what ever excuse can be mustered
5. What happened to the R&D guy?
6. What happened to the new products HNSS is supposed to be developing?
7. What happened/is happening with the European negotiations?
8.What happened to the 3 new Microfill machines? What do they even look like?
9. What does US New Marketing and HNS Fund have anything to do with HNSS's core business of manufacturing alcohol prep pads?
Thanks for posting the PRs from OCT and NOV 2010. Those are perfect examples of the PRs i was referring to.
I have more questions if you have answers, because apparently I cant get the company to answer them
YOU DONT SAY???
look at the short interest report, which i referred to in my post. It doesnt look like shorts are having any trouble covering, because as im sure you can see, open short interest is either zero or a few thousand shares at most, meaning any shares short are being covered prior to the end of the reporting period
unless of course you want to disregard the Short Interest report completely
that rope must be pretty stretchy.
in case you didnt know, shorts make money on the way down, so it is actually longs that are against the ropes. Can you elaborate on your statement and explain how the alleged shorts in HNSS are against the ropes? from what i can tell based on the short interest report, shorts are not having any trouble closing their positions as most reports show 0 open short interest or only a measly few thousand shares, meaning covering is not an issue
Shorts are making money while longs are hoping, wishing, and praying that you are right and HNSS miraculously is not a scam and will somehow deliver on the promises put out in PRs that they then ignore for months and never follow up on
lets hope the sheep arent being led to the slaughter
PS. I checked the terms of service before posting, so i know this does not violate any ihub rules.
Or dumped?
oh i dont know. honestly im not even sure if it is even 'located' lol
well to drop a sale, you have to speak to the customer dont you? your customer has to be able to contact you. H
HNSS doesnt seem to answer any of their phones, whether its customers or investors, or anybody at all. i dont know about you, but if i was trying to make millions of dollars in profits, and see my PPS rise, i would be trying to answer all the calls i can to drop every sale i can
If HNSS is such a small operation,, they cant be so busy to never be able to answer a phone or return a call. i have tried numerous times to contact them since Oct, even leaving voicemails, and NEVER ONCE have they replied. i even got a different number from the TA, and even then they wouldnt answer
its the number on the website, www.wipesco.com.
its goes to voicemail
i cannot say based on that alone whether there dilution or whether the SS is being reduced. That was my point. A
ll i can prove, or anyone for that matter, is that the stock is thinly traded, and that any buying or selling can move the stock either way, even if its on $5 or $50.
I used to think that the O/S and float was being reduced, but at this point, i think it is more likely that the SS has increased.
i would disagree. the fact that $50 can move the stock either way only proves tht the stock is thinly traded.
i would have got played if the pps is now higher than what i sold. apparently that is not the case, unless there is some magic way to make money going long in a declining stock
not when i sold. how can you say that is a lie? where you there when i sold? maybe you sold on a higher volume day, such as the days news came out, but when i sold, i had to hit the bid at lower and lower prices
you can look at my post history and see when i sold, and the prices i had to sell out in order to get out. i had less than 200k shares btw
why would i want back in? I sold at a loss, but if i held, id be at an even greater loss right now. And with the small amount of shares i had, it was extremely hard to sell my shares, so i can only imagine what it would take for those with 1mil shares or more.
IMO, everytime news comes out, someone is either dumping thier shares on increased volume to get out of thier position, or the company is diluting. Why else do you think the price is always going down, especially on news? i know you all think the company is reducing the O/S, but HNSS nor Black never announced or even alluded to the fact that they are reducing the O/S. in fact, the Float increased and they started using wieghted averages to disguise the O/S. If you ask me, with the recent JV, i think the company will announce that they "had to" increase the O/S for the JV or some other stupid excuse.
i still keep an eye on HNSS in case some pump comes along, but do i believe in HNSS and its management...HELL NO, and imo neither should you.
Look at the history of Black and his associates, and how they behaved in the past, and whether they kept promises or not. Look at the past of HNSS, read the older posts, and see what you think.
if all these red flags dont even make you pause and wonder, then all i can say is GL, and can only wonder what your agenda is
Also, Black and Grofe do have a connection to Doug Cohn. They both worked for the now defunct H-Quotient, for which Doug Cohn was the CEO.
Also, Doug Cohn is part of the US News syndicatate, which is connected to US News Company, which is connected to US News Marketing, which is the JV between HNSS and US News Company.
if that is not a connection, then I dont know what is
Can you post hard, verifiable facts that HNSS is not a scam? Anything that is not a company PR or put out there by the company...
I bet you cant
Yes i know. it was a rhetorical question lol
GLTA
i wonder what will happen if the disclosure comes out...im guessing more of the same
dam what happened man..i thought HNSS was going to the moon?? lol
looks like the bomb did go off..just not in the direction you were expecting
imo
trust me i thought about that possibility, but when i looked further into it, i do not think it is the case
im tired of the whole routine of what if this, and what if that
read the following two links. the guy pretty much sums up most of the information i found, and has posted sources, as well as made a serious effort at being objective imo
http://jimewescamp.250x.com/leftys/hqntredflags.htm
http://jimewescamp.250x.com/lasoma-cohn%20connection.htm
maybe i could have made a few more percent if i held on a few days longer, but at this point, the risk/reward doesnt add up for me. maybe im wrong, and this is all just one big coincidence or misunderstanding, but personally, i highly doubt it. id rather be safe than sorry at this point
the only thing hnss may be good for is a trade, but definitely not an investment in my eyes
anyways gl to you
imo no it wouldnt actually. i see the spin doctors are out to play
it would make sense for instance if a US News Marketing Company website was registered that day. it is very suspicious that US News Company was registered that day
well.....hes starting a joint venture with them
i did some DD on US News Company, and came up with this interesting info
if you go to the US News website, usnewscompany.com, you will see that among the tabs at the top, they have one that says U.S. News Syndicate
when i googled the U.S. News Syndicate, i found several things.
1. US News Syndicate used to have a website, www.usnewssyndicate.com, but it doesnt work anymore
2. I found many articles published by U.S. News Sydicate, written by Douglas Cohn and Eleanor Clift
3. I couldnt find much info on Douglas Cohn, but he was a co-writer on the column "Washington Merry-go-Round", which is/was the longest running newspaper column in the nation. This column is syndicated by US News Syndicate.
4. US News Syndicate has been around for a long time.
5. Eleanor Clift joined Cohn as cowriter on the "merry go round" column in 2004 after Jack Anderson retired. They both write for the US News Syndicate
5. If you go to this website http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2004_July_24/ai_n6122397 you will find an article explaining their relationship to US News Syndicate. Please note that they are based in Mclean, Virginia which is in the DC metropolitan area where Michael Black and Grofe are from (based on SEC filings, company addresses and other info). Although this is an older article, you will find many newer articles written by Cohn and Clift under US News Syndicate as recently as Feb
6. Eleanor Clift is a famous political reporter and used to be the White House correspondent for Newsweek (yes THE Newsweek) and the Los Angeles Times. You can see her website here http://www.eleanorclift.com/about.php
7. If you look at the bottom of her website, you will see the logo for the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization. Her about me section at the bottom says she is on the board of the National Hospice Foundation.
7. You can find pictures of Douglas Cohn and Eleanor Clift if you google them
Now what i gather from all of this imo is:
1. U.S. News Syndicate is part of U.S. News Company, according to its website.
2. This is the same US News Company that HNSS is making the US News Marketing joint venture with, and is shown on the same website
3. US News Syndicate employs (or is owned by) two reputable reporters, most notable Eleanor Clift, who write for it currently
4. Eleanor Clift has a link to the medical industry through her position on the board of the National Hospice Foundation. This may be her connection to Michael Black, and how US News Company and HNSS linked up. They are also both from the DC area. Alan Grofe is/was the president of the board at the NOVA Manassas Symphony Orchestra, also in the DC suburban area
5. US News Company and Healthnostics make horrible websites
6. These people are old, which may explain #5
Imo, I think Douglas and Eleanor decided to use their writing skills to get into the PR business with the help of Michael Black, thus US News Marketing was formed. Michael Black is pretty much outsourcing his PRs (or investor relations) to the newly formed JV. The National Hospice Foundation is possibly the link between Michael Black and Eleanor Clift, and thus US News Company. HNSS could possibly use the National Hospice Foundation connection to land some lucrative contracts
On the wikipedia page for Hospice, I found this interesting tidbit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospice
bid side l2
.0062 etmm
.0061 nite
.0030 doms
.0030 ubss
i am providing bid support between .0030 and .0061, but you wont see it because my orders are routed through etmm. im sure others are providing support as well
i think you are confusing 2 different things.
in regards to the options deal, yes they could have kept that private as it doesnt require shareholders to sell those shares directly, from my understanding atleast
however in regards to the 10m share buy offer, they could not have kept this private as it explicitly requires shareholders to contact HNSS to sell those shares. Without announcing that, no one would have known there was an offer at all.
Since the PR asks us to contact HNSS directly, and offered no alternative, then they should be able to answer these questions or direct us to someone who can
PS. thanks for the us news website
since we dont have contact information for US News Co, and the company never provided it, and i cant find anything on google regarding us news co, then i think the company should address these questions since they are acting as the go between