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Will you get one of the planes or boats or houses that were stolen, as the chief shareholder complainer???
And what's your share?
when are payments going to start?
Facts please. Which win found theft or stealing by the old guys? Facts please!
Sad to say, but that's the RB method. No facts. You say shareholders won, but no facts. You say the old board stole, but no facts. Shareholder litigation scared off a merger with a company worth billions today and you call that a win, for example. No facts was always the approach and still is..I call it fear of the truth.Bye
Shareholders won nothing in any of the lawsuits but wasted huge amounts of corporate money.
So which court do you say found the old guys were crooks? Please be specific! So far as reality is concerned, the answer is zero-0.
Not one shareholder suit found any improper action by the old guys. None- 0. And the FBI, bankruptcy court and all others also found nothing- 0.So, your conclusion is incompetent. There is a lesson here. Belief you are right with no facts to support you means you are just dumb. You ignore facts. That's just dumb.
Sarcasm but no facts. You are a thief, a crook, a criminal,one who steals, dishonest, greedy, incompetent,devious and more- all quotes.
And all you RB's, we're still waiting to hear one fact of wrongdoing by the old guys. None proved in any of the many lawsuits. So what did they steal as windblown would allege?
And all you RB's, we're still waiting to hear one fact of wrongdoing by the old guys. None proved in any of the many lawsuits so what did they steal as windblown would allege?
All the cryers lost because of their phony crying. Not one of the RB accusations were true till RB won and got a new board. That's what was wanted in lawsuit after lawsuit and with all the RB slander, and you won and destroyed almost all the value. And it appears you're proud of your stupidity!
No,against the RB cowards and idiot's that finally got the new board you wanted after defaming the old ones falsely for years. That would be true justice for you, Riggs,the painter and more. You won and everyone lost because of you.
What about defamation suits..? Are you expecting any?
Congratulations to Dan, George and all the other shareholder litigators. You've won again.
not a bad idea - I've been doing the same for months now...
Aha, some agreement on the idiocy in Washington. As to our disagreement, I have pointed to some facts, such as GD tying the Grantor Trust up in litigation because he refused to carry out the purposes for which it was set up. Management did not refuse to pay creditors and shareholders as the trust provided, but GD said he would pay only shareholders. That was the start of the end.... your friends all used terms such as 'theft' 'stealing' 'crooks' etc. but as I always ask, how about one fact - just one.
It would be interesting to sit down and talk about this whole mess with you as I do think you are far more reasonable than any others on RB... maybe after all the litigation is over we could do that and write a book about it...
Unfortunately RB was not the only place shareholders vented their feelings. Many, perhaps including yourself, went to court(s) and filed a number of baseless lawsuits. The refusal to listen to rational proposals of management because of the hysterical approach taken by GD and DM and friends is what led to where you are today. That is a lesson that should be learned. You sometimes reap what you sow - and starting off on the assumption that the opponents are "evil", can lead to where you are now. This is very analogous to what Obama and gang are doing with demonizing of "Wall Street" in favor of "the middle class". Not factual things, just propaganda thoughts that they are trying to convince everyone is correct.
Take a look at the 50 attorney generals who are going to try and stop foreclosures now because some paperwork is defective - and note that there is no contention that anyone has been put out of there home while they were paying the mortgages. If they succeed, and foreclosures are stopped dead, then mortgages become worthless and the "mark to market" rule, even as amended, will require banks to carry them as worthless. This will mean that every bank in the country will be immediately undercapitalized and will not be able to make any loans and will have to stop usage of all credit cards also. The economy will crash as never before. I hope that this does not happen, but it is very possible and would be very analagous to the FPFX story. Think about it.
OK: Please detail one fact which you say shows that the managers before July 2007 "stole" something. Also, show one fact that shows that there was some obvious difference between the different groups of shareholders making claims before then. Not with hindsight, but with a single fact that exists prior to June of 2007. Just one is all that is asked.
A response is not that the various shareholder groups should be "vetted" or investigated, or subject to FBI reports, unless you argue that GD, DM and yourself should have been included. Do you?
Come on, let's hear just one factual statement, instead of the RB rants of "thieves", "crooks", "stealing" etc. etc. etc. etc.
I'll be happy to give you a little time to think about it.
No, not speculation. Go back and look at the actual distribution information - the facts are there - speculation is simply guessing, whereas looking at the facts is hindsight - although there might be an error somewhere. Speculation is just adding up the numbers and stating that that's the amount sent to FPFX.
Looks more like about $10 million actually went to Group (mostly the GD portion) and about $24 million to the GrantorTrust, where most of it still resides held up by shareholder litigation. It's kind of hard to understand all of that, but again, it seems like about a 400% exaggeration on RB
Have you noticed that one of the RB guys says FPFX "received" over $48 million from the Creditortrust. I'm not sure what the correct # is but it's nowhere near that.... it seems like the $90 million "reserves" touted by Gattdontgetit mentality is still around. What do you think the right number is? What RB says, or something else? Just curious.
So, what's up?? No news??