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Warren Kruger
Good afternoon, and welcome, everyone. Thank you very much for joining. I just -- this will be a relatively short call. We actually had the K call just, gosh, we're 30 days ago. But I do want to talk about the first quarter. We had [indiscernible] in revenue. We ended with operating income of $824,000. This is something that -- well, I'll get into it in a moment. We had an income per share of $0.01 a share. So let me tell you where we are. People were on the of the K call, we are in a -- really in a lull. I haven't experienced this really since 2020. And even in 2020, we were actually quite busy in 2020.
This year, and I'm talking about the calendar year now, it has been really -- we are in an economic recession for the manufacturing sector. And I'm in touch with a lot of people in the manufacturing side, and we are there. Orders are off. Across the board in the thermoforming industry, the extrusion industry, the injection industry. It's just really -- I think that people are a little unsure as to where they are. Ford, General Motors, those companies, they're not really moving forward on some new models. We've had Stellantis close -- I mean, layoff people. Deere, John Deere is moving some people really affected things. Walmart, who's a big customer, they're closing stores. Walgreens, CVS, Dollar Store. It's really been -- I think really hasn't been talked about enough, but it has affected us.
Now that being said, the -- I'm not going to gloss over anything. I'm going to tell you how I believe it is. So I'm very disappointed with the numbers for the first quarter. And our sales were really off about $1.4 million under where I thought they'd be on a monthly basis. And that's a combination of things. Last year, we were -- we have a new mold that we designed in concert with Walmart. And they made some ergonomic changes and some weight changes. And that was about 120 days later than what we anticipated. But I was just in a DC, Walmart DC on Tuesday of this week. They love the product. We've put in about 44,000 pallets in that DC. They love them. They've had 44,000 and they had three broken ones. And while we walked around, we fixed two of the broken ones. So it wasn't broken. It was just a leg out of a slot.
So it's a product they're really happy with, and they are -- I anticipate our growth with Walmart to continue to flourish. As a matter of fact, I'm so bold about that that I've actually ordered another tool, and we call it the warehouse tool, but it is a very good tool. Walmart has 35 different distribution centers. We've probably put pallets in 3 now. So we've got a long run with them ahead of us, and we're excited about that.
I'm also disappointed in our extrusion business. We spent quite a bit of money acquiring the extrusion equipment quite some time ago now. So we're about 9 months behind the -- where I'd love to be there. That we -- Toyota, we've actually made our product for Toyota, our test sample products for Toyota. Toyota loved it. This is for their export, and it's something that they looked at prior to us acquiring the equipment and changing the design on that extrusion pallet. And I encourage everyone to go to our website and look at our welding line. It's on -- it's under Investor Relations, I believe. And if you go to the video, it's quite nice of our automatic line that will weld the extruded pallet for us.
We are really excited about that. And we got into this business because Uline had requested a 48x96, a very large pallet. And that's -- and Uline is a customer of ours, and we provide our 48x48 product there for them. So we are building a -- having a welding equipment manufactured right now to go in concert with our line, our automated line. Our automated line can only go up to 60x60. So to accommodate the Ulines of the world and others that have any sizes over 60 inches, we have a welding line that is almost complete. They're actually doing some testing at the end of this month. So I'm excited about that. But be that as it may, we are not getting any revenue that we anticipated out of that.
We've also shipped our 44x56 can pallet back to our mold maker overseas because it had some adjustments that needed to be made. And so our -- my can -- we have an old 44x56 that we sold. Our new one is a much, much better tool. But we've got customers now that it's probably about 6 months behind the curve. So it sounds like a [ Lemony Snicket ], but it is. We've got orders that are down. We've got some products -- some new products that I anticipated hitting the market that aren't -- that haven't hit the market. But the good news is we've got -- IGPS is very happy, and our relationship there is great.
Our relationship with Walmart is on the uptick and is very, very, very good. And we've got Toyota and many others ahead of us. So our pipeline is like $100 million in revenue. We've just got to get people ordering.
So I want to open it up for questions now. And hopefully, I can answer. One thing I do need to mention now at this point too, we -- I have been spoiled for 22 years. I had a wonderful CFO; Bill Rahall, he's not only a fantastic CFO, he's a fantastic human being. And at 83 years old, he said, hey, Warren, I can't do this. My wife wants me at home. So we did hire our recent CFO, was late on our Q, was late on our K. So I've -- we've actually released him, and we're in -- right now, we're looking for a new CFO.
So that's been a little stumble in our guide app as well. But I can answer also financial questions for you, and we'll just open it up for questions.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Brad Ball.
Unknown Analyst
Warren, I understand the economic recession side of things. But I'm a little concerned, you've gone through a couple of CFOs. You announced a buyback in June. The quarterly results were less than encouraging. The conference call today, no real notification, still not on there. I'm probably the only guy on it. Have you given some insight as to how tough things are or maybe disappointment in terms of ordering? Is there any other encouraging words you can give us? Or where is the buyback as it stands now? Actually, it works in your favor, I think, with the stock price down 30% plus. Any other things you can fill us in on that are encouraging?
Warren Kruger
Yes, I will say. I've been in this business now for 22 years. And the first year, we had $600,000 sales, and we track $4 million to $5 million a month now. So the encouraging thing is this is a business that's not going away. It's a business that there are there are millions and millions. As a matter of fact, the numbers are astronomical. They anticipate 2 billion pallets are in America and 800 million going in the system each year. I can tell you that every time I go into like a Walmart, I'm very encouraged because they have so much wood in one facility and then there's 35 facilities. It just goes on and on and on and on and on but it is getting the sales. The sales cycle is sometimes a lot longer than what we anticipate.Â
I do – we do, the buyback is still as a matter of fact, I had a call on the buyback today. We had to wait until after this Q was filed, which is done. We actually -- I need a letter. There are 2 things that they needed; they needed a letter from our attorney, which our attorney had talked to them yesterday, they're working on. The second thing they needed was some corporate documents that I need to get to them. Besides that, we will be in the market, and we'll be acquiring some shares. I will say that I have to take this.
The buck stops on my desk, and I hired a CFO for the local market in Iowa. I mean I wanted someone there. I did this in concert with my old CFO. So we acquired the gentleman, he came in and he was disruptive. He did not our corporate culture. He wanted to disrupt our corporate culture. It was very, very difficult for him, for me and for my really loyal people up there. It was very difficult. So I couldn't have that.Â
So we released him. And then I knew that Bryce Dilly, who I've known for some time, he was kind of at the end of his career, and he was CFO kind of have gun will travel kind of CFO. So we wanted to use him for a year until we got a nice young guy in there that could take us when we uplist and be with us along the way. And Frankly, I mean, I'm giving you excuses. I don't really accept excuses. So I'm just telling you the truth. So I just said, hey, I can't be late on these. So I'm outsourcing that with a top 10 firm that will be helping us with our Qs and Ks, so I don't have that problem again. I will find a good CFO. I've got a lot of people looking, and I actually have a search firm looking as well. We'll find the right person and the right fit. So that kind of takes care of those.Â
In terms of the notification, the CFO generally handles that, and it was something that I should have talked with Brendan Hopkins about. He and I talked about it. And it was like we didn't mention it to one another. And so when the notification didn't get out because we didn't have a CFO. So it was scrambled around. So again, I'm telling you the truth as it is, and the buck stops on my desk. Believe me, Brendan and I learned a lesson this time but I've never gone through late Qs and late Ks. So these are all new experiences to me, and I will tell you that I don't like it. In terms of where we are on growth side, we need to be bigger. I acquired $7 million to $9 million, $7 million to $10 million worth of new equipment for our growth phase in which we have not done.Â
That's on me, and it's paramount of me to add sales and so I'm disappointed. I will tell you, it's for no lack of effort. We have, like I said, a lot in the pipeline. We just don't have the orders coming in. I had an entire quarter. One of my big customers had an entire quarter I didn't get one order from last quarter. I mean, this June, July and August, very unusual. And it's just people are holding off. So that's the truth as I know it, but I will tell you, this company is headed north. It's not headed south. We are going to grow this company, and I am motivated to take care of my shareholders and my employees. So I will tell you that this has been, like I said, a disappointing quarter for me, but I am optimistic about where we are long term.
Operator
Our next question comes from Anthony Perala.
Anthony Perala
Warren, to chat with you again here. Just a couple of clarifying points from your commentary. So you mentioned the Walmart kind of the mold that they wanted some of those ergonomics on. So was that not shipping in the fiscal first quarter?
Warren Kruger
We did get some of that. Yes, we were shipping in that first quarter. So I was talking about more this year. But yes, indeed, we did ship to Walmart. As a matter of fact, we're on a good track with them and now it's on a steady Eddie every week for them, and that's one of their DCs. And we have a lot of the same product now that we've sent out to multiple other DCs across the country. And we just haven't sent out.
We have our former plant manager, Ron Skellhas, who I've worked with for 20 years. Ron is out there on the road actually full time. And Ron is -- he is actually delivering these things out to Walmart DCs. And so it's, he's very good with customers. And I've got -- I anticipate that our growth with Walmart will continue because we have a good product for them, we have a need, an itch that we're scratching for them. And I wish you could have been with me yesterday when I was in Elwood, Illinois at the DC because the comments that came back from them just it's very, encouraging because they're at the end of every aisle, they have a red bucket, a red garbage can. And in that red garbage can, it says wood on the side. And all the -- just filled with wood, wood pieces from all the wood pallets that break in the facility. And this is daily, and it just drives them crazy.
And then they've got a sweeper truck going around the huge facility around the clock just because of all the dust from the wood. And the encouraging thing is all the positive comments about how much less it is now after about a 25% of fill in that facility. So I'm very, encouraged by that. And we have the gentleman there that we're working with they're talking to their compatriots across the country about what they're doing. So I hope to be able to create a transfer pallet for them that not only do they keep the pallets within their facilities, but when they're transferring between one DC and another, they're using their own transfer pallet. So we're working that hard because they're a great customer.
Anthony Perala
That's great. Is there -- so is it on kind of a DC-by-DC basis that the decisions are made? Or is there one purchasing decision across all these 35 DCs? Just kind of who you have to convince for the sale for the other 32 that you don't have your pallet into?
Warren Kruger
It's really it's funny. Walmart, there's autonomy there. Each DC kind of makes their own moves based on where they are. There are import DCs. There are retail DCs. There are food DCs. There are regional distribution DCs. So a variety of different types. And on the regional DCs, they're doing a lot more automation, and they're picking goods up now more by clamping and trying to move goods very quickly because time is money with them, and it also means employees -- less employees.
And so consistency of product really makes a difference. When you're transferring from a plastic pallet onto a wooden pallet or it's, or from a wooden pallet to a wooden pallet, it can be very, very cumbersome, because there'll be a board or there'll be a nail sticking up. And when they're doing it from plastic to plastic, it really works easy and speeds up the time and the clamping is easier. And so I am encouraged by what I'm seeing there because it's what we've been talking about for 20 years, and it's really happening a lot. So it's good.
Anthony Perala
Yes. That's great to hear. On the Uline, that kind of that larger pallet, just curious if there's a ballpark of once you're able to service them, give them that, what was it, 48x96 pallet that they want, just kind of what kind of revenue opportunity that could be on either a quarterly or annual basis for you guys?
Warren Kruger
I will tell you, I'm going to be honest. I'm not going to venture that guess right now. I could, and I don't know, I'm sorry to say, I don't know what the 48X48 that we moved through there. But I do know that we -- Uline, we've moved quite a little product through there. They came to me at a show and said, hey, Warren, we're looking for a 48x96. And he said, the only one we can find out there is a PVC 48x96, and it's a very expensive product. So this is for, let's say, moving a mattress or moving doors or moving a large piece of glass and so forth.
That's the type of thing where they can wrap it up. And we will have, now that we have production on our extruded pallet that we're testing, we will have in the next 2 weeks, I'll have something on my website that will show the product and what it looks like and so forth. It's basically hollow lumber. That's what it is. And it's hollow lumber that what I like about that is it fills small niches. So someone needs 2,000. Well, if I don't have something that size, when we buy molds, our molds are $300,000 to $400,000, $500,000 a piece. And so you really can't when someone wants an odd size, it's a one-off and you miss all that opportunity. Well, with the extruded board, you just make the extruded product to that size, you cut it to that size and then you weld it to that size.Â
So we, theoretically, we can do any size up to 60x60 that is automated -- on our automated line. And then on our larger line because of this welding equipment, we'll be able to take the pieces and make them on our larger welding machine. And in addition to that, we've designed the product with a 2x4 that can actually -- we can put one of our fiberglass rods in there. If someone needs some type of strength or if it's bowing -- we can put fiberglass rods in there that will give it strength so that it has bone structure.
So I'm excited about it, but I hate to say I just can't venture a guess at this time. But I will also tell you that this 48x 96, it's the kind of thing at a trade show where Mathis Brothers, the big furniture manufacturers and sellers, they come by the booth and say, hey, do you have a 48x96 pallet we can put our mattresses on or our box springs on. And it's odd. So I'm encouraged and at the show, we have the PA Expo coming up the first part of November, and we will be introducing the extruded pallet at that show.
And I anticipate that we will really see what kind of interest will be shaking up. And I hope to tell you on the next quarterly call, I hope to give you an estimate on that because I'd be able -- I will be making a 48x96 within the next 2 weeks as a test product. And we'll be going to Uline and we'll be showing them that product. So I hope to have more information for you on that in another 90 days.
Anthony Perala
Excellent. Yes, that seems like a nice -- another tool in the tool belt. Just one last one here. CapEx, capital expenditures were a little higher than I had expected in the quarter. Was there anything to do with the rebuild of the warehouse or anything that drove that $3.3 million number this quarter?
Warren Kruger
And I will tell you off the top of my head, there's -- we have just had a chiller. I know that we had to do a new chiller, and that probably was this quarter and that was not equipment -- that was not mold related or machine related. It was just operating related. So, it was really -- it was in that operating CapEx type thing. But other than that, there was no other -- maybe the welding equipment I'm doing for the -- that probably showed up the welding equipment that I'm doing for the extrusion line. And I also bought a CNC machine because on these hollow lumber, some people want 4-way entry. So, you have to make a slot on the 48-inch side so that you can put a fork tired through there. So, some of that equipment was kind of an unusual for the quarter. But I don't anticipate making a big capital expenditures the rest of this year.
Anthony Perala
Okay. So you'll stay kind of around what you've described as maintenance CapEx previously?
Warren Kruger
Yes. We do have some molds on order. I mentioned another warehouse mold, and we'll have the fix on the 44x56 that we'll have to pay for. I may order -- I'm waiting on 2 other orders for an odd size 43x37 that I'm encouraged, but I don't have a purchase order there yet, and I'd make a new tool for that. And then there's a 43x43. We're waiting on an order from that from a big customer. And I'll probably order as soon as I get a PO, then I'll order a tool for that.
Anthony Perala
Okay. Sounds great. I guess it might last point just more be a comment. But if you look kind of the last year, I appreciate you taking your flogging and responsibility for kind of results that are an up tier measure. But last year, kind of as growth capital expenditures have fallen off, I think, highlights the cash generation ability of the business at this level, which leaves quite a bit of cash left over for shareholders after debt requirements and the like. And I think you're going down the right track, returning some of this to shareholders, and that can allay some of the other concerns that might be out there and help with the stock price and multiple over time. So, look forward to catching up with you again in 90 days here.
Warren Kruger
Good, good. Well, and I will say we're sitting on -- we sit on $4 million to $5 million in cash. We did pay cash. As I think I mentioned on the Q call, we paid like $1.6 million and $1.650 million cash for a new piece of real estate that's within 0.5 mile of our facility, which we intend long term to build a warehouse there to replace the burned warehouse that we had that was 35 minutes away. But -- so we used up some of our cash. But we're creating cash, and we're sitting on $45 million usually now all the time.
Operator
Our next question comes from Joe Marcus.
Unknown Analyst
Yes. I really didn't have a question per se. I just wanted to state a feeling. I have been with this company almost ever since Warren took over the company. And I have never in a 50-plus year career in this industry seen management as good, competent and dedicated as Warren and the team that he has built around him. I have seen many, many cycles where the company spurts forward, then retrenches a little bit, goes on to new and different products. One quarter may not live up to the expectations for that quarter, but the trajectory of this company has always been tremendously, tremendously higher.
Warren has, with his group, built a new industry in plastic pallets, plastic pallets are an absolute necessity and will absolutely replace all wooden pallets moving forward in our industrial economy. And I mean this is -- this company is a rocket ship to success. So basically, people who are shareholders in Greystone need to be patient, need not to look at the small isolated picture of 1 quarter, but need to look at the overall trajectory of this company.
This company has got a clear present and future path to greatness and basically, you've got to look at this company on a trajectory as opposed to looking at it in simple little 90-day increments, okay? This is what Greystone Logistics is. So, Warren, thank you for everything you've done. Thank you for everything you're going to do.
The CFO transition has been a little bit rough, okay, things happen. I mean, there was only one perfect person in the world, and he got nailed to across. So basically, okay, there's a little CFO glitch will resolve itself, and this company will resume the trajectory to where this company is going to go, which is high...
Operator
[Operator Instructions] It appears that we have no further questions. At this time, I'll turn the program back to our presenters for any closing remarks.
Warren Kruger
I just want to tell everyone, I really appreciate you guys being on the call. I appreciate you being shareholders. I do -- I will tell you that our people who are wonderful staff work very hard every day. The comments that we get -- I love the comments that I get when I'm out there and people say, gosh, your people are so nice. And it makes -- it really makes it nice. I had a gentleman who had been at 53 -- he lived in 53 different cities and worked -- he was -- worked with Walmart. And he came into our facility and he said, I can tell just when you walk into a facility, what it's going to be like by the people, how they act, how they treat you and then by when you go out and you look at how clean the place is and I took him over to our recycling center, he said, I've never seen anything like this in a recycling center.
Because we take pride in making it look good and being efficient and effective, and we have dedicated hard-working employees. So, I know that I want to get to the same spot you guys want to get to, and that's -- let's make a lot of money and let's do it in the right way and use 100% recycled plastic and make this world a better place. So, thank you very much.
IBKR keeps telling me it's interest when I challenge them!
"Thank you for contacting IBKR Client Services.
Kindly note that we believe that the interest payment is correct per our 3rd party tax source, if you have a copy of the 8937 from the corporate action showing that this should be taxed as long term capital gains, please have a copy attached so our back office can review this item."
How did you get this remedied to be long-term capital gains?
Motion granted for settlement, details:
http://www.kccllc.net/medley/document/2110526230222000000000003
Settlement Agreement:
http://www.kccllc.net/medley/document/2110526230222000000000003
And they are, or approved a new buyback recently. Internalizing management this year was important, as then can focus better on BVPS and economic return vs. incentives lingering to grow assets (and therefore outside fees) no matter the return profile.
What a long strange trip it's been...I still remember distinctly bringing this up in business school to a local hedge fund manager at the time, as I scraped together bartending money to sock away small lots when they were offered. Thanks again so so much EI.
-VP
RVI was spun off for the purpose of liquidating the properties in a timely manner at reasonable market values. It has succeeded at this and has returned the value to shareholders over time.
Selling the entire PR portfolio for $550M is a fantastic move here. Actually may have gotten cheaper thinking of the pro-forma numbers....
Item 1.01 Entry into a Material Definitive Agreement
On July 13, 2021, the general due diligence period expired under the Purchase and Sale Agreement, dated as of June 30, 2021 (the “Purchase Agreement”), by and among Retail Value Inc. (the “Company”) and RVT PR Mezz Borrower 1 LLC, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Company (collectively, the “Sellers”), and Kildare Acquisitions US, LLC (the “Purchaser”). Pursuant to the Purchase Agreement, the Sellers have agreed to sell to the Purchaser all of their interests in the limited liability companies that own all of the Company’s remaining assets located in Puerto Rico (comprising approximately 3.5 million square feet of Company-owned gross leasable area) for $550 million in cash, subject to adjustment for certain closing pro-rations, allocations and adjustments. The sale does not include any cash or restricted cash held by or on behalf of the limited liability companies at closing and the Sellers will retain the right to pursue and collect amounts from tenants relating to pre-closing periods (including amounts relating to pre-closing periods which have been deferred and are to be repaid by tenants sometime after the closing date). Closing remains subject to customary conditions, including but not limited to delivery of estoppel letters from tenants, the accuracy of Sellers’ representations in all material respects and the absence of condemnation or casualty events exceeding $30 million in the aggregate. In connection with the expiry of the due diligence period, the Purchaser posted a deposit of $15 million with the escrow agent for the transaction, which deposit is nonrefundable (except in certain limited circumstances as set forth in the Purchase Agreement) and will be credited to Purchaser against the purchase price at closing. Closing of the transaction is expected to occur by the end of the third quarter of 2021. The Company anticipates utilizing a portion of the net proceeds from the transaction to repay the entire balance of the mortgage loan, as required under the mortgage agreement. At June 30, 2021, the outstanding principal amount of the mortgage loan was approximately $214.5 million.
Not sure on the math, but you probably want to do 1 + 2 minus lawyer fees, then back into the recovery ex-fees x probability from 3 to derive the value on the notes. Disclosure long some of those.
-Pagz
That would be number 3:
Brief Summary of the Combined Disclosure Statement and Plan
The Combined Disclosure Statement and Plan is premised upon maximizing the remaining
value of the Debtor’s assets. Specifically, the Debtor has three primary assets: (i) cash on hand,
(ii) income stream generated from the Remaining Company Contracts, less the costs of operations,
and (iii) Causes of Action, including potential claims against certain current and former Insiders.
On the Effective Date, the Liquidating Trust will be established for the benefit of creditors holding
Allowed Claims, and the Debtor will transfer all cash on hand and the right to the Causes of Action,
including the net proceeds from the Causes of Action, all of which will be vested in and retained
by the Liquidating Trust. Additionally, on the Effective Date, the Debtor will transfer its right to
all equity distributions from its non-Debtor subsidiaries which result from the non-Debtors’
continued performance under the Remaining Company Contracts, and such right will vest and be
retained by the Liquidating Trust. All distributions on account of Allowed Claims will be paid
from the Liquidating Trust, which shall be funded on the Effective Date from the Debtor’s cash
on hand.
Docket #0244 - COMBINED DISCLOSURE STATEMENT AND CHAPTER 11 PLAN OF
REORGANIZATION AND WIND-DOWN OF MEDLEY LLC
A good history lesson here maybe for those of us that are newer, looking to establish a Liquidating Trust I see:
http://www.kccllc.net/medley/document/2110526210706000000000003
If one ever needed a bailout on a name, getting 'memed' is your chance.
No dog in the fight here, but Will Meade is a fraud and has many of us blocked on Twitter for calling him out over time. So proceed with caution.
After nearly a decade, I would not have expected this to be my first potential 50-bagger (all-in if those fund are distributed). If only I wasn't a college kid with no money back then....many many thanks EI for the info.
Nearly 2 months since the last trade in these?
http://finra-markets.morningstar.com/BondCenter/BondTradeActivitySearchResult.jsp?ticker=C170460&startdate=08%2F18%2F2019&enddate=08%2F18%2F2020
I see 22 / 34.5 on the bid/ask but rarely check in as I'll hold until finality anyhow.
-V
As always, thanks for staying on top of this one for us EI!
Looks like I have to fight again, ugh.
"This is a follow up to our conversation yesterday regarding how information was reported on your 1099. Our team reviewed the 1099 and the document submitted, and determined that the way that this would be classified is as Taxable Interest. Please let us know if you have any questions about this."
Mine came through on 1099-Int, listed as interest income....is that what it should be? Thanks.
-V
Well I guess I better dig up my own official IRS letter that took a bit of fighting them, like others here. It would be nice to finally get an ultimate resolution to something that's been sitting out there for years.
Thanks EI, needless to say I sadly could not join with a work conflict.
So if $8.85M is gross, what fee schedule will be used? Chapter 11 can depend. I think Chapter 13 is a flat % fee, Chapter 7 looks like a sliding scale for example saw this online:
25% of the first $5,000 disbursed
10% of the next $45,000
5% of the next $950,000, and
3% of anything over $1,000,000.
-V
I could listen in, would just need the exact instructions to be able to.
Most would probably want cash after all this time. I would be open to equity and any other creative resolution though.
Wow, once again back from oblivion.
EI do we have any idea at all what the current entity value looks like? I'm not even sure what the full capital structure is that sits in front of us AICPQ holders these days as I gave up any mental capacity to this one.....
New highs of 35.5. Sure helping weather the overall market pain at the moment.
Trading activity has returned, pushing the price back over $30:
http://finra-markets.morningstar.com/BondCenter/BondTradeActivitySearchResult.jsp?ticker=C170460&enddate=11%2F30%2F2017&startdate=11%2F30%2F2016
Well well well, talk about a blast from the past that is sitting in my junk drawer of gray market unsalable securities. Glad to see you are still tracking the court info EI, interested in seeing how this plays out!
Just looked and see a $27.5 trade w/ settlement of 4/17. That's over 50% move up YTD. Hard to imagine such price action happens in isolation with no update on behind the scenes.
New highs popping up lately, hunting for the mid- $20's.
http://finra-markets.morningstar.com/BondCenter/BondTradeActivitySearchResult.jsp?ticker=C170460&startdate=01%2F19%2F2017&enddate=01%2F19%2F2018
These things don't move on nothing, any news EI? Or maybe a general feeling of higher probability of a settlement (or sooner or combination of both).
Flurry of activity after Thanksgiving has pushed values of these back to highs, look at the volume:
http://finra-markets.morningstar.com/BondCenter/BondTradeActivitySearchResult.jsp?ticker=C170460&startdate=11%2F30%2F2016&enddate=11%2F30%2F2017
That is a laughable first sentence for a non-operating insurer in run-off trying to keep costs low. You would be fired for any management position if you spent your time doing that instead of long-term strategic value creation.
It's out of $1000 actually. $19.50 = $190.50 of $1000 value bonds.
I can tell you I bought mine at Zion's Direct and then transferred to my consolidated account at Interactive Brokers.
It's out of $1000 actually. $19.50 = $190.50 of $1000 value bonds.
I can tell you I bought mine at Zion's Direct and then transferred to my consolidated account at Interactive Brokers.
We just hit a new 5-yr. high on these EI:
http://finra-markets.morningstar.com/BondCenter/BondDetail.jsp?ticker=C170460&symbol=THMR3703969
Denny knows more than anyone on the planet on this name so you'd need to bring some borderline inside information to take that title from him!
I don't post much but it's rather comical that Snowball doesn't comprehend that price (and it's movement) does not equal value. If you can't value a company you shouldn't even be here posting nonsense. The difference on this name (large holding for me) is rather large. We know this. A certain person we should all be thankful for ;)
What are you scheming up old pal? I'm still a holder with some tucked away in my account.
Just a quick comment, that the last trade price of $17.50 that I saw posted would be a multi-year high for our notes:
http://finra-markets.morningstar.com/BondCenter/BondDetail.jsp?symbol=THMR3703969&ticker=C170460