Old, new, either way it doesn't work

'No Talking' For Cingular Customers
Sun Oct 12, 4:38 PM ET

Many Cingular Wireless (news - web sites) cell phone customers found themselves without service Saturday.

The cell phone provider began to experience a network problem around 2:30 p.m. when a service platform failed. Cell phone users found they are without service, signal and voice mail functions.

The problem continues to affected its customers in California and Nevada.

Cingular says when they became aware of the problem they began work to fix it immediately. Normal service was expected to be restored by Sunday morning, but is now expected to be repaired around 6 p.m. Sunday.

Cingular suggests that to complete the repair process, customers perform a "hard boot" or power-shock on their cell phones by removing the battery while the phone is turned on. It is important to wait 15 -20 seconds before reinserting the battery and turning the phone back on.

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Another example of GSM at it's finest. LOL

some folks need to get a life


U.S. National - Reuters
Parents Sue School Over Wireless Network
Thu Oct 9, 2:13 PM ET

Add U.S. National - Reuters to My Yahoo!

By Daniel Sorid

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A pioneering elementary school district outside Chicago has been sued for installing a wireless (news - web sites) computer network by parents worried that exposure to the network's radio waves could harm their children.



According to the complaint, filed in Illinois state court, parents of five children assert that a growing body of evidence outlines "serious health risks that exposure to low intensity, but high radio frequency radiation poses to human beings, particularly children."

The Oak Park Elementary School District set up a wireless network to connect its schools to one another in 1995, long before such networks became wildly popular. A spokeswoman for the district, Gail Crantz, said it complies with all government regulations for wireless networks.

Today, the 5,000 students in the district have access to carts of laptop computers to do research on the Internet from their desks, said Steve Chowanski, director of information services for the district.

An estimated 30 million Wi-Fi networks have been installed worldwide, according to the Wi-Fi Alliance, which certifies wireless products. Brian Grimm, a spokesman for the group, said he is unaware of other similar suits targeting Wi-Fi networks.

According to Chowanski, a small group of parents had complained about the risks of installing wireless networks in the school. In response, the school board said it would continue to monitor research into the safety of the networks but reaffirmed its plan to use Wi-Fi.

"We are not going to do anything different," Chowanski said. "This is the wave of the future."

The complaint by the parents was filed on Sept. 26 in the Circuit Court of Cook County in Illinois. A hearing before Judge Nancy Arnold is scheduled for February.

The parents allege that the district failed to examine the health impact that wireless local area networks pose, especially for growing children. They are seeking class action status for their suit, which seeks to halt the use of wireless networks.

Calls to the parents and their lawyers were not immediately returned.

The Wi-Fi Alliance says Wi-Fi networks are safe. The radio waves in a Wi-Fi network use the same frequency as wireless home phones, and have one-thirtieth the power of, cordless phones, Grimm, the spokesman for the group, said.

Moto, chips, and from the what ever happened to Ed dept.

Motorola to Spin Off Chip Business
21 minutes ago

By Yukari Iwatani

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Motorola Inc. (NYSE:MOT - news) on Monday said it would spin off its semiconductor unit into a separate company as it focuses more closely on its battle with Nokia (news - web sites) (NYSE:NOK - news) (NOK1V.HE) over the mobile phone market.

The move by the No. 2 mobile phone maker was not a surprise but came sooner than expected and boosted Motorola's shares to a new high for the past year.

It came just two weeks after Chairman and Chief Executive Christopher Galvin's sudden resignation after clashes with the board over strategy. The company has yet to name a successor, which had been expected to be the first step before any major strategic changes.

Analysts and investors have long called for the sale or spin-off of the unit, which is among the world's top 10 wireless (news - web sites) chip makers. However, Galvin had always resisted splitting up the company founded by his grandfather.

"How long have we waited for Motorola to spin off its semiconductor business?" said Shawn Campbell, principal with Campbell Asset Management, which has a stake in Motorola's preferred stock. "You're unlocking value here."

The Schaumburg, Illinois-based company's stock closed up nearly 10 percent, or $1.22 cents, to $13.50 on the New York Stock Exchange (news - web sites), where it was the most actively traded stock.

Motorola's Semiconductor Products Segment accounts for about $5 billion of the company's $27 billion in annual revenue, but the business weighed on Motorola as the unit struggled to return to profitability amid the slowdown in the global chip industry.

The chip unit often marred Motorola's overall performance even when its main mobile phone unit was making strides. Motorola has been fighting to keep mobile phone market share after losing its top position to Nokia in the mid-1990s and as Asian manufacturers like South Korea (news - web sites)'s Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. (05930.KS) have become more aggressive.

The chip unit, which employs about 23,000 people, was the only major Motorola business to post a loss in the second quarter.

"NATURAL TARGET"

In the last couple of years, Motorola has closed down chip factories, outsourced production, and licensed its design to other companies, but investors had been pressuring the company to spin off or sell the business.

"Semiconductors is a natural target for this kind of thing because it's an expensive business," said Ed Snyder, principal at San Francisco-based Charter Equity Research. "It basically cuts loose all this investment they've been making in semiconductors."

While Galvin expressed his full support behind the decision as an outcome of months of discussion, analysts were unconvinced.

"It's hard to believe that he was 100 percent behind it," said Alex Vallecillo, senior portfolio manager of Armada Funds. "He's been pretty vocally in favor of keeping the businesses together. I have to believe maybe this is a byproduct of some of the discussions between him and the board that led to his decision to announce his resignation."

Armada does not own shares of Motorola, but Vallecillo said he was more interested in the company now.

In an era of specialization, Motorola was one of the last U.S. major electronics makers to make both electronic circuits and finished communications hardware.

It said it has not finalized details of the spin-off, but said the chip company plans to pursue acquisitions of additional strategic product lines and technology.


The company said it was considering an initial public offering of a portion of the semiconductor business, followed by a distribution of remaining shares to Motorola shareholders.

It said more details would be available in regulatory documents, which it plans to file with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (news - web sites) in coming weeks. (Additional reporting by Eric Auchard)

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Comment: What about the market for new Macs which are powered by Moto's PowerPC chip? This is also very interesting in light of all the other "glue" logic chips that Moto makes. Me thinks that this story is less than complete.

Side note: Oh, so this is where the Snyder went to hide...

More on Ashlee's "big discovery" .

"Our clamshell Samsung - made in, ahem, 1999 - has its merits. The phone is small, light and easy to use. Apps such as Yahoo mail, Yahoo calendar and even AIM are usually but two presses of a button away. Even after four years the little guy works like a champ on Sprint's PCS network. But owners of this and other plain, vanilla devices are locked in the past to be sure."

Gets Yahoo calender and AIM and it is "plain vanilla???"

Guess Ashlee is a victim of the computer age... plain vanilla is a phone that lets you talk to someone, period.

This line is just plain stupid: The first step in upgrading to a GSM device... is selling your soul to AT&T. LOL

Actually she does have one simple point (should we expect more from such a technically challanged person). AT&T and SBC and a few others have done a wonderful job of integrating all the users' needs both at home and on the road into a simple setup.

Verizon and Sprint still do not understand this end of customer support. Believe me, I know, I use both. Sprint asked me to use them as a long distance carrier for a discount on the family plan... OK, but why do I now get two thick bills?

Sprint still does not understand SMS.

Verizon on the other hand has failed to live up to their potential as a true data server... or ISP. I use the Kyocera 7135, with which I can get directly on the web, download email, has it's own sync-able calender (hows that Ashlee... ) and many other programmable features... running at 1X. But Verizon wants me to forget 1X and simply use a dial up plan. I lose all my fast data abilities that way. D'OH!

It's easy to see why the Ashlees of the world glam on to AT&T and think GSM is the next best thing since sliced bread... AT&T holds their hand all the way. "it's gotta be good."

Just a couple of months ago

Margin Mike (remember him) stated that 50 was a very possible number very soon.

He was recommmending buys at about 30 or so for a nice run up.

(sigh... wish I had listened... got out at 38 myself... D'OH!)

As seen on CNN... MS and Moto

To deliver Smarter Phones... will be able to download email, ringers, and operating software.

Folks this is very similar to what Kyocera did with their 6035 and 7135 Smartphones... seems the rest of the market is now jumping on the bandwagon.

This also exemplifies the very issues I brought up last week regarding ASP of CDMA phones and the potential for a divided market: voice only basic users and Power users with SmartPhones vice the old "daytimers."

Of course the best news is that CDMA most efficiently uses TCP/IP protocols and that increased phone ASPs will increase royality revenues to the Q.

The following article is about MS and Moto in the smartphone market with Orange and AT&T:
http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/15/technology/microsoft_motorola.reut/index.htm

This tells me the market is changing toward more "3G-like" services, and this is an area where CDMA does well.

WAP verses the web...

Sigh... WAP sux.

The 7135 offers both WAP (on a huge screen, compared to most phones) and the regular web experience. I am amazed that anybody does WAP. It is slow, the content is very very limited and frankly it is a joke to offer WAP as the WWW.

I know, sure most folks do not YET carry a converged device. I bet there are really two camps of folks out there: Those that just want a phone, period. And those that want a converged device, but are waiting for price and performance metrics.

A broker I know, older gentleman who I have known for a while, used to raze me when I carried one of those larger "Smart Phones" (aside: those things had great battery life) has now taken to carry a Treo converged device. His comment: "loves it, can't live without it."

Remember about a decade or so ago when "Daytimers" were all the rage... Now think "Converged Devices."

With Microsoft pushing, and Palm and Symbion and others still in the fray, and with 1X and other faster data services becoming the expected norm, expect this market to grow.

Now go this one further and you will see how this effects the Q. Folks (OK, some head-in-the-sand ANALysts) continue to tout declining ASPs for phones as bad for the Q in the long run due to reduced license fees... What they don't see is a future and increasing demand for converged devices... which typically sell at double or more than your basic voice device. This market is just now beginning to take ground.

Remember you heard it here first.

Yes, kechuwa3 myyahoo works well

I have the Kyocera 7135 with Verizon 1X service. OK OK I am a tech geek.

Yes I can access myyahoo on the 7135. I use one of three browsers on the 7135; Blazer, which does a fine job of giving a good view of web pages, but does not run java and is accessed via a proxy server. EIS (from Kyocera) which does java and is secure and is a straight (albeit somewhat flakey) browser. And finally EudoraWeb, which is a text only (no pics) browser.

If I just want the numbers and super fast download, I go with eudoraweb (it even shows gains and losses as green and red). If I want to see pictures, I go with Blazer. If I need to log in and do anything with java, I go with EIS. I can establish a 1X connection and then switch between the tools if so needed. Blazer is the only one that retains URLs if I crash and do a hard reset, so I tend to use that one to save URLs, I can then cut and paste them into the other browsers depending on my need.

Now some folks might think this is just too much geekness, but I use two browsers on my PC all the time. IE really sucks for saving bookmarks that are portable (been saving 'em since '85 in one form or another... sure some are long dead.) and IE is prone to odd popups and other ilk. I usually use Mozilla on my desktop, but every now and then run into bad code that only runs on IE, so pop it open, browse and go back to Mozilla.

I have configured myyahoo for one page, and fairly compact display... avoiding some of their fancier bells and whistles, for something I knew would work well in a wireless PDA.

DAG, have you tried "my Yahoo?"

I have a page setup that I log into... it is organized the way I want, I have companies listed that I like to follow and the various news presentations that I like to follow. Basically it is a customized page that Yahoo keeps current.

It is quite nice and everyone in my family has their own version. My wife watches art related news, I follow tech and general news, my son is mainly interested in X games and surfing.

It is quite easy to do. Go to yahooo and the sub catagory "organize." Look for the my yahoo link and yes (sigh) create an account and have a good time setting up what you are interested in. Once set, you can access from any internet computer with your password and user name. Makes it easy to watch the "news."

August doldrums...

sigh.... I was waiting for a pull back to 34 and missed the leap from 35... would have been a nice little chunk there.

I am beginning to question doldrums at all... the general market trend has been flat with Q slowly rising.

Dish vrs Aerodynamics et. al.

Aerodynamics of what a train or a long haul tractor trailor rig??? <grin> Actually many truckers mount the OMNI antenna right behind the "airfoil" mounted on the roof of the tractor of their rigs.

A small dome should not offer too much wind resistance... Look at an Inmarsat antenna for approximate size, or these various KVH systems: http://www.kvh.com/MarineSat/index.asp

Regarding Satellite radio... remember it is a broadcast system, not needing a beam antenna for high gain hibandwidth two way commmunications. There may be some shadows in dense urban environments. I have not looked extensively at sat radio... do they use multiple sats to provide low angle coverage? (probably missed an investment opp because of not studying this... according to some folks I know) <grin>

Look at GPS for a similar application. In a dense urban environment you can lose sight of sats and degrade the quality of the fix, but on the other hand, it is rare to be totally "in the dark." GPS is however a very low power signal, so therefore is easily blocked by walls... hence inside buildings, GPS is blind.

Now this brings up another issue... E-911. This is one reason that E-911 is Basestation assisted using the Qualcomm system... there will be times when the handset cannot get a GPS fix. In that case, the Basestation will have to provide "good enough" data for PosLoc. Also the GPS processing and ephemeris data is not done in the handset (just too expensive from a battery and CPU standpoint), so the handset just sends raw sat data, and the Basestation does the computing.

sat to train...

I imagine it is a tracking antenna similar to what OMNI uses. With a tight beam available with a moving antenna in a radome, you can get high bandwidth transmission. Heck, the Navy has been doing it for decades on ships, but the antennas** are huge. Fun to watch, constantly moving to stay locked to a satellite in spite of a ships movement, awesome to think that the antenna is actually stable, while it is the ship that is moving beneath.

I believe that if a truck can track a sat with the OMNI "tacoshell" antenna, then something larger could be easily used on a train, especially with the relative "flatness" of train track beds.

Would this work on a bus, sure. Would it work in a dense urban area. Not likely... too many blocking buildings (don't see too many long haul trucks in dense urban area either do you?)

So room for 1XEVDO still exists where public transportation is used in and around dense urban areas. Again, there is no ONE solution, it is all different layers of the same coverage "onion."

**BTW is antenna already plural? as in the antenna "are" huge?

Regarding E911... READ ON

First it would be way difficult and expensive to "retrofit" a chip into an existing phone.

However, it would not be that difficult to add a chip to the PWB in the phone on a revised Printed Wire Board layout within the same housing. Typically one would then give the phone a new model number. Nor would it be difficult to plan for GPS in a layout and then add the chip later, instead of right away when there is not a demand... this is called a DNI or Variant design. Often one may see on a consumer product areas on a Circuit Board where it looks like someone forgot a part... this is a case of a Variant type design.

Another method of doing this is in software... where a feature is not quite ready for prime time, but the rest of the phone is (Gee, Microsoft does this all the time... <grin>) so they release the phone with certain features enabled, and upgrade either later versions of the software or invite those phone owners to come in for an upgrade (with perhaps an incentive airtime coupon). There are lots of ways of getting product on the street before they have all the bells and whistles.

Now the flip side to the E911 issue is that there are scant few communities ready to "ask" for the info from the service providers, therefore the SPs have not been making a lot of noise about this... and there is the perception in some sectors of the general public that this is not a good thing... a'la big brother and all. So bottom line is that the carriers are not quite sure how much noise to make about this.

There is also the flip side of the whole issue... how can the carriers make money on this feature? They have been looking at PosLoc as a potential form of revenue, but are trying to figure out what the public may want to deal with: IE pizza ads as you move down the street: "a slice just around the corner!" Or limit it to: "you are here."

It does have the potential for liability lawsuits when someone does not get rescued, or becomes distracted or whatever... so you can see why they are approaching with caution. (lawyers... sheesh, can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em)

To IceRich

Sorry, I am on the free program here so no private responses.

Thanks for the message.

I think what a lot of folks fail to realize in that regard is that it is not just the equipment sold (which was what made the press release) but the follow on steady monitoring fees (cents a message) that really add up to some big bucks. (cash cow)

There is very little coverage of that side of the biz, so folks just put it aside and forget it... while it quietly meters in a steady flow of dollars.

I have seen it working, and it is pretty awesome.

Thanks again for the message.

Ahhhh, the cash cow yields again.

Omni is what financed the CDMA work in the 80s, nice to see it continues to thrive and grow.

GPRS Heck vrs tech savvy

OK, I am not a proponent of GPRS, I have 1X and use it. I have a Kyocera 7135. It works and I like it.

But that said, I find stories written by Luddites complaining about "my high tech bla bla bla won't do something" really annoying.

This guy Bill Thompson and a host of others that went to some (more than likely) liberal arts college where high tech was defined as "my Mac has a color screen" have done more to taint the real adoption of high tech then any other possible source.

Journalist of this ilk tend to missunderstand the real issues, overblow what is being presented and don't have the technical background to be able to truely address what ever minor problem they may be facing.

Why was there a tech bubble? Could it be that media hyped the heck out of some rather normal tech advances to the point that even the simplest low brow went out and bought a home computer "to do balance their checkbooks?"

So now he can't get his Sony P800 to work... I really have to ask... Did he ever read the manual?

He rants and rants and the bottom line is: " ...I hadn't delected the SIM update messages that I'd been sent. "

"delected???"

Not much of jouralist either.

<grin>

Just another selling point for VZ

I was in a Verizon store the other day, and a guy walks in... "do you have those walki talki phones?"

"Nope."

"Oh, Nextel has those, I thought you did too."

"Nope."

"Darn, the Nextel office is closed."

(it was 6:30 PM, the VZ store stays open to 7. Guess they WANT customers.)

So now imagine you are a businessman... you want high speed data, and to be able to yell at your workgroup too. With VZ you can have it all.

Just another selling feature.

Not until those buildings become mobile.

I read the article at http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/columns/article.php/2191841 with great interest, and what I noticed in each example is that there was no mobility involved.

There were also no handoffs or "other cells" which could provide interference. This was basically a greenfield test of beaming a signal.

Now granted the lack of a line of site situation is good news for this frequency band, but in reality how much out of line of site was this. Go further and ask what did the basestation cost? I doubt this is in the "starbucks" range of devices.

Also there were limited users... I believe there were 4 or 5 buidings interconnected at one point with a 3Mbps transfer rate.

Again buildings don't move... much.

Get that transfer rate while in a moving taxi going from the airport to a client's office and then we're talking 3G competitive. Get that working in a moving limo while 2 or 3 CEOs are discussing business over a laptop and a scotch and then you might have something.

Mobility is still the key issue.

I know a lot of you are thinking... "yeah, but I cannot drive and download." You can if you are not the driver. The last "simple" meeting I had at the office, three "suits" arrived all at once... one laptop between them, all to discuss one simple component. Think they stopped at Starbucks to download the latest presentation?

I am not saying that WiFi cannot be a good thing, but that WiAnything, will not be a substitute, but a compliment, as in the Cyberbus example. http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/columns/print.php/1369631

Just one example.

While not PTT

Doesn't PCS currently allow audio to be embedded with their images on Vision?

Seems to me to be just a short step to send this via PTT.

BTW while Cingular et al, allow pictures, do they have embedded audio... and ANY plans for PTT?

Seems to me, the GSM crowd is still dealing with E-911 issues.

Dualing Hypsters

It really does come down to this:
"The Hypesters of Bellevue are every bit as capable of hyperbole as the Hypesters of San Diego and Costa Mesa."

Let's wait to see the rubber hit the road.

If EDGE is 3G

So is CDMA 1X.

The expected data speeds of "between 75 and 135 KB/second" and "exceeding 135 KB/second" are the same as 1X 144 KB/second.

So is it possible that the GSM folks lowered the hurdle for "3G" and CDMA20001X just happend to be a benefactor of this new defination?

Just wondering what 3G is anyway... Based on some earlier lines of reasoning.

JM good point regarding Q tech lead

I believe we will see a Intel/AMD situation with the new entrants. I believe that Qualcomm will set the pace and probably retain the marketshare for existing customers, but at the same time new entrants, such as in eastern europe, and asia may chose lower cost/less feature rich chipsets to build up an emerging market.

In anycase, Q will continue to receive revenues even on these phones based on ASP. The ASP of these new phones may be quite low, but based on volume, I believe the total impact to Q will be a continued upward trend due to overall market penetration.

sfx, understand greenfield

and tend to agree. Believe VIA is connected to Taiwan and perhaps China, so their approach may be to the Asian sector.

Not sure about TI, thought they had connections to Nokia, but have to wonder where else they may be trying to market.

Are you taking new entrants into account?

Thinking about TI and VIA Telecom, both of which could effect the total MSMs shipped, but also both will end with OEMs shipping handsets that will return CDMA royalities based on ASP to Qualcomm.

TI may not be paying fee based on chipsales and the current legal situation, but the handsets will still pay a license fee based on ASP.

At least that is my understanding.

Care to go way out on a limb and forcast NASDAQ and the projected stock price...

Scientists say

they've cloned a horse.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=624&ncid=624&e=3&u=/ap/20030806/ap_o...

But I doubt it is gonna effect the natural order of things.

802 whatever may be wonderful in short range wideband service and perhaps there are proposals to try to do something else...

But in the mean time, CDMA does use the limited frequency resources better, while delivering a higher data rate, than any other widely commercialy available service.

And for every thrilling "I sent email from Starbucks... ohhhh cool" success story that folks tout, I can quote just as many success stories of well heeled folks that sail expensive yachts while using CDMA 1X for reliable laptop internet connections.

Here is a little thread for you:
http://old.sailingworld.com/forums/genlmesg/index.pl?read=326331

Now bear in mind kiddies, that some of these folks are just your average joe, who happens to own a yacht. While others of these folks are what some might call "movers and shakers;" meaning they are well off and well connected and tend to make big company decisions based on what really works. The thread I offered is just one of many related to "connecting laptops via a wireless connection."

Just another example of what is here today, is improving, and does work. Anything else, like they say on the bottom of the little forms are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties; actual results may differ from the forward-looking statements.

and to keep us on track

With your comments regarding:

Well, I don't know about 802.20, but 802.16 fixed installations (the DO type setups we had been discussing) WILL be available in 8-9 mos.; mobile products WILL be available in around 20 months). In investment horizon timelines, that is a short time frame...

As I feel this is a complimentary technology, I feel that the above will have little impact on the continuing adoption of any and all CDMA technology throughout the world.

So how does this 802 anything effect me as a Qualcomm investor?

gotta link?

I believe 802.20 has been demonstrated in Korea, and there is interest in the future of the product. I do not believe 802.16 was demonstrated.

How does this relate to CDMA as you see it, and what is the interest to the members of this board?

I believe that the technologies will work hand in hand, and I have presented examples (the cyberbus).

Both 802.16, and 802.20 are emerging standards, product MAY be available in the future.

CDMA20001X is here today. I even have a device. It is not hype, it actually works, and is commercially available. (you can buy at any Verizon and Sprint store).

Let me know how your 802.16 or .20 device works... when it is available... if ever.

when you can buy it

try it and let me know how well it works at 60MPH.

Eric, I believe you have answers

But to pointedly respond. I believe that all companies try to paint the best picture for the technologies they sell, so in that light, there is not a company out there that does not hype.

Microsoft brings us "where do you want to go today" and yet I have never left my desk. Various car manufactures tout everything from "the ultimate driving machine" to autos that have clairvoyant capabilities.

Don't even get me started on the Beer and Tobacco manufactures.

It is the land of hype.

Now lets look at some historical reality.

Qualcomm has in the past offered their technology and presented an optimistic timeline, which has been tempered by both capitol spending, consumer demand, and pressure from outside influences.

Nokia (and I point to them in particular as the worst offender of the GSM Association) has offered their technology with also optimistic timelines, and they too have been tempered by consumer demand and capitol spending. But Nokia (hand in hand with the GSM Association) has also been a strong component of a smear campaign to misinform the public about anything CDMA. Further, they have made public statments about technology availabily that they promised to release on a particular date (last September), which was "right here in my pocket" to quote a presentation, they have not yet been able to offer to the public, thereby again, offering nothing but smoke and mirrors. Nokia has offered 150% financing to service providers, essentially a bribe, to encourage adoption of GSM.

I would say that both sides have offered hype based on beliefs, but the GSM Association has foisted outright lies, and further has tried to line pockets in an effort to "sell" their technology.

Believe whomever you choose to believe.

But if you honestly believe that Jacobs et. al. are conniving liars, I suggest you get as far from the stock as possible, or better yet, short very heavily. That is your choice. Me, I have watched CDMA grow from a small introduction in Hong Kong to where it is today, which includes the current situation where even the GSM Association is touting a form of CDMA in China (albeit, again, with misinformation).

I believe CDMA, and with it Qualcomm, has strong legs, and while it may not be adopted world wide overnight as Walter Pyneck was perhaps once inclined to believe, it is moving closer to the vision that Jacobs outlined for 2005 and beyond.

Your choice.

Thought you meant 802.20

802.16:

Overview of IEEE 802.16
Task Group 1 of IEEE 802.16 developed a point-to-multipoint broadband wireless access standard for systems in the frequency range 10-66 GHz. The standard covers both the Media Access Control (MAC) and the physical (PHY) layers. Task groups a and b are jointly producing an amendment to extend the specification to cover both the licensed and unlicensed bands in the 2-11 GHz range.

A number of PHY considerations were taken into account for the target environment. At the higher frequencies, line of sight is a must. This requirement eases the effect of multipath, allowing for wide channels, typically greater than 10 MHz in bandwidth. This gives IEEE 802.16 the ability to provide very high capacity links on both the uplink and the downlink. At the lower frequencies, line of sight is not required, giving other tradeoffs.

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I don't see anything about mobility in this or on the rest of the WiMAX forum site http://wimaxforum.org/

Now I did not spend days looking, so perhaps I missed something, but again this simple presents an opportunity for overlapping technologies to be used side by side where best suited. Very similar to the Cyberbus example.

Speaking of real world

"My system" exists.
http://www.qualcomm.com/cdma/1xEV/news.html

"Your system" is on a drawing board.
"This document is for planning and informational purposes only and is not intended to modify or supplement any warranties relating to these products and services." -- Flarion data sheet

About as clear cut as I can make it.

I can use 1X today, I cannot even buy hardware for WiMAX tomorrow.

Pretty darn clear cut in anybody's world.

Anything else, is just a fantasy, at this point.

I mean hey, wanna talk fantasy... beam me up Scotty.
Folks have been working on Matter Transportation
http://www.databased.at/computerized/idamts/ida.htm
and Nuclear Fusion for years...
http://w3.pppl.gov/theory/

Oh and what ever happened to the flying cars from the 60s?
http://www.howstuffworks.com/flying-car.htm

Excuse me, gotta go, my cold fusion experiment here on my desk needs attention.

I tend to agree...

and in the article http://www.calit2.net/news/2002/4-2-bbus.html, it says 1XEV not DO or just 1X.

Funny thing about 1X and broadband... I have a friend who is flat cheep... so insists on dialup only. I find I can often access data faster than he, via my handset. Of course his 19 inch (old) monitor is far easier on the eyes than my 2 inch screen.

Once you've gone broadband, you'll never go back.

You are right, robv is wrong

In the article:
http://www.calit2.net/news/2002/4-2-bbus.html

They discuss the connection rate of "...2.4 Megabits per second-even while the bus is traveling at 65 miles per hour..."

Course it would not be the first time robv was wrong.

The cyberbus represents a great example of merging WiFi and CDMA (of whatever flavor) to achieve the goal of using the best technology suited for a particular need in an overlapping environment.

Nice thing is


I don't have to wait for EV-DO.

1X works fine.

"1xEV is formally known as 'CDMA2000, High Rate Packet Data Air Interface Specification' and is QUALCOMM's first 3G offering."

Fine example of overlapping technologies and air interfaces.

Fine, use 1XEV

http://www.calit2.net/news/2002/4-2-bbus.html

"The bus combines a fully mobile 802.11b wireless local area network inside the bus, with Web access through QUALCOMM's CDMA2000 1xEV wireless wide area data network installed on top of the UCSD Jacobs School of Engineering's main building and at the QUALCOMM's headquarters nearby."

OK strickly...

Here is a solution...

A fancy water cart with WiFi.

Sell you bottled water for outrageous prices and then you get "free" WiFi. In fact, we'll follow the Marriot model and charge even more for those folks that want to drink Evian or Perrier. Call it the French bottled water WiFi use fee.

Simple bottle of non chilled local swill $2.00... want it chilled, $2.50. Brand name stuff: $3.50; fancy imported stuff with a disposable "thermal wrapper" around your bottle: $6.00.

Of course all this is kept in the big ice chest of the "Oasis Cart"TM which uses a large battery and a solar panel (doubles as a sun shade) to maintain an EVDO connection that is redistributed "free" to the patrons as WiFi.

Patent Pending.

Expect to see it at the next Burning Man and other outdoor related "New Age," "Deadhead" and "Slacker" events.

No animals were harmed in testing this device. Contents may settle during shipment. Use only as directed. No other warranty expressed or implied. Do not use while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. Subject to approval. This is not an offer to sell securities. Apply only to affected area. May be too intense for some viewers. For recreational use only. Do not disturb. All models over 18 years of age. If condition persists, consult your physician. No user-serviceable parts inside. Freshest to drink before date on carton. Subject to change without notice. Times approximate.

You saw it here first.

Good question sbono

I have no idea, and I have a feeling that there would be issues with VZ allowing this type of access... but it is fun to discuss.

But what the heck, if Starbucks can charge 3.60 for a cup of coffee, and this isolated cart is perfectly located in some data and java starved location... the issues of supply and demand might drive that cup of joe up to 5.20, or even 6.00... who knows what a simple cheese danish might bring.

I hear hamburgers can cost upward of 10.00 in some NY restaurants.

I still am quite amazed that 16oz of chilled bottled water can bring 2.50 at the local baseball park on a hot sunny day. Don't even what to think about the price of a cold beer. <grin>

Hmmmm. maybe that is the real solution.... cocktail cart and a WiFi connnection....

1X email verses IS95

I have multiple accounts on my Kyocera 7135 and have used simple dial up non-1X connections to access one email server... the download rates and even the overhead to verify the email on the server was at least an order of magnitude slower than using 1X. (I could actually count the messages that were setup to come in by watching the twitching of the "checking status bar" as it verified each header on the server)

I have found that I can POP-3 download all my email using the smtp server address through the Verizon 1X access. This is a very quick process. (the header status bar flys by, and the messages download in seconds vice minutes)

But when I need to send, I have to "dial up" to get direct access to the mail server and thus have to go through the dial up modem pool for athentication... sending is much slower as it is not 1X, but 14.4kbps.

Good thing I do not send as much as I receive. 1X really does show its speed advantages in this case.

Web browsing is also very fast when using a text only browser... far faster than WAP. If I come to a site that requires me to see the graphics, I cut and paste the URL and go to a different browser. I would not even try the graphic browser at 14.4 data rates.

so a coffee cart

on a couryard in DC or San Diego that used EVDO to connect to the internet, but offered the coffee patrons internet access via WiFi...

Does that count as a WiFi or CDMA connection in all of our ponderings?

And if the customer has to buy coffee to use the WiFi, is it free? And if the WiFi connection is fueled by the EVDO connection, then can it be said that the EVDO connection is offered free... if you drink coffee.

And if a tree falls in the woods...

Then folks will love this

07/18/03

Wireless provider demos new high-speed cellular Internet service

By William Jackson
GCN Staff

Verizon Wireless of Bedminster, N.J., and Qualcomm Inc. of San Diego today demonstrated for congressional and Federal Communications Commission staffers a new high-speed wireless Internet service set to be rolled out in Washington and San Diego this fall.

Verizon's 1X EvDO (Evolved Data Optimized) service is based on Qualcomm's Code Division Multiple Access cellular standard and offers peak speeds of 2.4 Mbps over a cellular system, although real-world throughput is typically in the 300- to 800-Kbps range. During a demonstration of the technology at 65 mph on the road in Northern Virginia, download speeds ranged from 256 Kbps in a walled area to 474 Kbps.

Verizon currently has two test areas equipped with the technology, with nine cells in Northern Virginia and another nine cells in the Rockville, Md., area. EvDO requires dedicated spectrum for the service, which Bruce Simon, Verizon Wireless director of advanced technology, said is being taken out of unused bandwidth in the 1900-MHz range.

"We hope to outgrow that quickly," Simon said. Additional frequency is being sought from government-owned spectrum under the Spectrum Relocation Bill now before Congress.

Simon said Verizon is making EvDO service available to several government customers for testing.