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You guys are the experts. I should not have to explain anything. If you really believe this does not happen or does happen look out your door on the 24th. See the big rabbit on your lawn. Yes sir it is the Easter Bunny in the flesh. Well had my fun today, TTYL
One last thing can't remember the company but I read where the owner bought all his outstanding shares of stock. Then once he had them he watched for weeks as the company traded buying and selling hundreds of millions of shares. I am sure some one out there can remember the name it is not coming to me at this time I will check later and post it. Peace
No one is doubting that! What we want is all the crooks to go away all avenues to be persued. Is that to much to ask for.
Here is a question. You new this was a scam two years ago as did others. You do not know if I did or not. Hell I don't know you nor you know me. Say I was a in the postion to sell hundreds of millions of shares I did not have at .20 and never had to cover those shares. If I had known all the info I know now. Hell I may of known it all then so what did I had to lose by doing it. Lets say I did sell 250,000,000 million shares should I have to cover them Is it eaiser to just wait for the company to get revoked so I just never have to. I mean what did it hurt if someone had the insight to do that.
Would you care?
Do you care?
Just try to answer the last 2 questions on this so called hypothetical question. Please humor me. THANKS
That is what you have spent three years telling everyone on here.
hopefully they will bury each other
Well then why not go after everyone. What is it besides the "So called waste of money" that bothers you so much. Just do it then everyone will know and it will be done. A lot has been said on this issue and all you say is waste of money or fantasy. You are kidding with that statement. Right???
That is your opinion on Bonds.
You seem to think that $55 million to put 1 person in jail for a year is a good decision and money well spent. $50K to get a 100% FACTUAL share count is a waste of money. Either really cheap apples and expensive oranges or vise versa.
Why would that be a problem. If you did it the right way good for you I have no problem with that. I traded spng all the way since buying it sub penny. This is just another way to avoid the issue. So the question is. If others made money on spng in a illegal manner why do you not want to see all means exhausted to find out who and what they are or who they are. It seem you and others just want specific justice and do not want to see it all the way thru. To come up with the excuse about the gov paying for it is laughable. I would think that you and all the other captain justices out there would be screaming for all to go to jail, not just M&M and others that should. Are there more? Do you want them two.
Lets say there is a Hedge Fund out there that needs a few hundred million shares to cover. Do you think they should just walk away. I mean all should pay. No? You don't think there are any shares out there illegal you put all this time ripping posts apart who say just look into it and lets see. Why not just do it. I know all the theoreys as to why and why not. The its not the gov. resposibilty to pay for it. But is it not the govs. responsiibility to protect the american citizan? Did I have a say in the wasted money by congress on Bonds, Clemens, Balco,and on and on. NO I did not and you did not. To think there is no one out there who made money on spng illegally is a joke. We all know there were those who did, and some who still may need to pay the piper. Lets just get them all in jail not the ones you see fit.
Why is the trustee going after the Wilpons in the Mets Madoff scam. Is he going after just them or others. Did the Wilpons know they were doing or getting illegal funds. Don't you want to know. If it costs the Trustee another $50,000 to find out is to much. Where do you draw the line. The line is not a fine line. It is to exhaust all avenues till EVERYONE who did something wrong is exposed or put in jail. That is the issue it seems a lot of people on here are afraid to find out. Why protect any one unless there is a reason to, that is my issue.
Why should taxpayers foot the bill?????
You make it seem that we have a goverment who does not spend money to proove points or find things out. Maybe you should be writing to congress and the feds about the Bonds trial. Just a little note that has cost the U.S. taxpayers $55 milion dollars to date. Now that sounds like a lot more money then a REAL share count. Why is that okay to waste that money. I mean what was the purpose of that trial, to send a liar to jail for a cost of $55 million dolars. Yet you keep whinining about even at worst $50K to find out the real truth about the share count. If there are only 300 million shares at .20 that need to be covered they could keep the money and pay for the Bonds trial.
I for one want M&M to rot in jail for everthing they did. But I want everyone to pay for what was done I mean EVERYONE! If it cost $50k to find out if more people need to be on the list the goverement can sure afford to do it. $55 million on one person and you complain about about $50k to know once and for all the truth, sounds like a bargin when you compare the two.
I ask the question because they can't answer it. If you care if spng survives and shareholders keep there shares then there are really only 2 answers as follows.
1. You are a shareholder .
2 You need for spng to be revoked or chapter 7 for other reasons which we can not discuss here.
That is the only 2 reasons I can think of as to why MM going to jail for the rest of their lives is not enough.
Only have 5 posts left need them for later.
SRV-90 But if it can survive and MM go to jail why would you care? I am not saying it can or will happen just why would anyone care if does? Not a real hard question to answer.
It is not hope it is need.
It is so obvious that MM going to jail is now not enough for most here. It is just odd that no one can answer a simple question so I will try again.
If MM go to jail and spng survives and shareholders keep their shares why does anyone care?
After all is that not about justice?
That is just my point
You write that like it a 100% complete fact. If that is the case where is a link to this or how are you 100% positive of what you write. Thanks for making my point that you are not satisfied with just MM going to jail you want?need 100% SPNG to be gone. Why is that?
SRV-90 I respect that opinion as we all have them. I just do not understand why so many just do not think it has a chance and state it as fact. If there is someone out their who wants to throw money at it to try to make it work, why would they care.
It is not my money or their money so why do they care, besides it will keep this board going for who knows how long.
Drew it seems odd that you have now shifted the focus of this to the shareholders. If your want justice that is fine even though you don't believe it the so called stucks as you say want it to. But where we all differ is we want justice for all involved in this. Yes MM did a lot of things and they should & will pay for them but lets get them all in jail.
The company if there is anything to save what do you have against that. I know your reply their never was a company and blah blah blah. But what could coming out of BK with some type of DIP hurt.
Someone puts up money to try to save the company. The judge allows the DIP with a condition of shareholders keeping their shares. {Yes that can happen it has happen before} and then the company makes a run at it. MM go to jail {You get what you want as do the so called stucks} new management takes over and maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.
What does that hurt? Just try to answer the last question you know the one. What does that hurt, or is that still not good enough for you and if not why?
Never been confused about anything I see clearly. I just see EVERYTHING not just what is good for me. I see ALL the problems. I also see all the things that people do to suit their needs. I want justice for all who have done wrong, you just want selective justice on those you choose. I am not confused I believe you are, but I am sure you do not see it.
I guess that proves my point......
Want to shampoo, condition, and neutralize your dog's thata funny.
I guess he does not know how to use it. It works great on my 2 dogs. but you know that, how about a few reviews from amazon on the car wash sponge. As copied below.
Bought this just as a car wash sponge. I thought it would run out of soap after 2 or 3 washes, but 10 washes later it's still going strong with suds. I only need a hose and this sponge, no bucket or extra soap. Only takes me 15 minutes to was my car now... NICEEEE!!!
purchased this product so my husband could wash my car and give me his input. The sponge expands to twice the size when it's wet. You can see and feel that the material is not like any other "sponge" I've ever seen.
My husband said, "It really works! Easy to use and gets the car clean. The degreasing sponge gets the tar off better than paint thinner." When he was finished he held up the chamois and said, "This really works! The whole car is dry." I think he was a little surprised because the chamois is only about 18" square.
Now he is looking forward to cleaning his truck (if it ever stops raining).
I originally bought these because I liked the green concept behind the sponges and I wanted to see if they'd really work... These sponges are amazing! It's the new going green way to wash your car! No need to purchase soap (and the wasteful plastic bottle) No purchasing Car wax (and the wasteful plastic bottle) and it's quicker & easier to clean your car. And it actually cleans it well. I ordered more after using them for the first time. Highly recommended!
You get the point just depends on which people you want to listen to.
Remember fair and balanced o pick and choose your choice but you need product to look bad. I have used most of the products they all do work but you know that.
Judges and other authorities see that word, their entire letter is discounted and anything else they have to say is discredited
Would you care to disclose to me how you have the ability to know what the judge is thinking or thinks.
Another one of your supposed so called half thruths that you assume are always most of the time if not ever correct.
Did it impress me???
That is for me to decide I take it it did not suit I mean impress you.
Now I agree their are a lot of things wrong I never once stated that MM are not guilty of a lot of things. I just stated the NSS and how easy you dismiss it. What impresses me more is the amount of time that is spent here hammering a dead stock. Revoked chapter 7 on and on and on. If somebody wants to fork up millions to move the what you call "so called company" ahead to try to make it a profitable, what do you care.
It is okay for you to say revoke chapter 7 and so on but one NSS and the roof comes off. I am sure you see my point but just I ask again if MM are guilty which I say they are lets get all involved in jail. That to me seems only fair.
So why don't you want a share count again? Sorry if you answered that I missed it.
Yes I read the indictment but what does that have to do with a share count. You just dismiss it by saying they will find nothing or they don't have to do it. Just what if by some small I mean tiny chance in your eyes their is. Why would you not want them also punished. I mean you keep going on and on about the Mutt Bros. being punished What if Joe Blow issued 1.4 billion shares would you like them also jailed or is that okay. I guess a hard question to answer if the answer does not suit the need.
Patch you say that like it is the LAW. Why not demand a share count if there are none so be it. The fact that you just say there are no NSS in SPNG like you are the judge jury and the executioner with the final say and that is it. I ask again what will it hurt to do a 100% share count.
SEC conducts audits every day and finds nothing wrong, do they announce these audits?
That is funny I would bet you $10,000.00 if the Sec did a share count [which you know they did not} and found nothing wrong they would of stated it already. The NSS question that all longs bring up and you dismiss so easy would go away. Every one on this board should DEMAND a 100% accouting of all shares and put it to rest one way or another. I do not see why you do not want that. I have a good idea why you don't but really what would it really hurt. If there are NSS in SPNG don't those who also issued them deserve to be punished.
And before you go there I now that there was a ton of stuff done wrong by management but maybe it is a ton and half with the half ton not done by them. Two wrongs don't make it right management did wrong the question is did some one else also. So enlighten me what would it hurt.
I know your reply to this before spend $100,000 and 2 years to figure out a share count is what you claim. If that was the case how did the Sec do a ferensic 100% account of spng shares in just 10 days?
Hayes is gone boys & girls
http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/ndwas
Here is the problem badshah,
Most posters on here just beat spng to death and they have every right to. Spng has done a lot wrong. The problem I have is like you said. People on here want justice they want to see SM & MM and other wrong doers punished. I also want that to happen. The problem I have is people claiming the NSS did all this. It did not BUT why not do a share count of ALL shares. If all you people want is the wrong doers to go to prision why not see if there are any NSS in spng. What is the worst that could happen there are some and if there are should those people also be held responsible for there wrong doings.
To say there is no NSS in spng without a full share count to me is only agenda suiting. If you guys who post here all the time want EVERYONE who has done something wrong jailed what do you have to lose. If there are none you can see "see I told you so" and move on. But to blindly dismiss it is odd if you want the truth and wrong doers jailed. Also to say no NSS exisit in the market. That is like saying SM & MM are 100% squeaky clean.
If you are in the market to make money don't you want it to be a level playing field. By wanting pwople to be held responsible for there actions if fine, but by just picking and chosing who to punish for doing things illegal well that is a whole new game. If a share count opens up a new can of worms so be it. If not we will all learn and move on. So what is wrong with a share count and please don't say money. The goverment waste money on so many things that is not a good reply.
A true share count of SPNG will not hurt anyone if there is no NSS and if there is any why not go after those people also. You do want justice for all. NO?????
Well thats my one post for the day peace out!
Why was this done just a slip up?
In the request for Hays as trustee why did the Sec forget to inform the court that he was their guy. Just a small slip up or a reason behind it. You decide but it is really obvious they just want spng gone. See line below straight from the judge. Hmmmmmmm
his
alleged connection with the SEC and the failure to disclose that
alleged connection,
Well thats my 1 post for today. I know the answer will follow but if spng picked a trustee you guys would be having a field day on it. But then again you almost got your guy.
Guess The Judge Listened To Shareholder Petition
ORDER SCHEDULING HEARING
*
By order dated July 19, 2010, the Court directed the United States Trustee
to
appoint a chapter 11 trustee pursuant to 11 U.S.C. § 1104 for cause, as
being in the best
interests of the creditors, the equity security holders and the other
parties in interest, and
ultimately, with the debtor’s consent. By order dated July 20, 2010, the
Court approved
the United States Trustee’s appointment of S. Gregory Hays to serve as
chapter 11
trustee. After the Court signed the latter order, it received numerous
letters from
shareholders of the debtor protesting the appointment of Mr. Hays on a
variety of
grounds including his experience, his alleged lack of partiality, his
alleged connection
with the SEC and the failure to disclose that alleged connection, his
alleged
predisposition to liquidation of the debtor and his not being from New York.
Based on what has transpired, the Court will hold a hearing at 2:00 p.m. on
July
29, 2010, in Room 723 of the United States Bankruptcy Court, One Bowling
Green, New
York, NY 10004. The purposes of the hearing will be to hear a status report
on the case
and to schedule further proceedings, to the extent necessary, relating to
the appointment
of Mr. Hays. Any party in interest may attend and be heard.
So Ordered.
Dated: New York, New York
July 21, 2010
/s/ *Stuart M. Bernstein
*
STUART M. BERNSTEIN
United States Bankruptcy Judge
TO:
Elisabetta Gasparini, Esq.
Office of the United States Trustee
33 Whitehall Street -- 21St Floor
New York, NY 10004
M. David Graubard, Esq.
Kera & Graubard
240 Madison Avenue - 7th Floor
New York, NY 10016
S. Gregory Hays, CTP, CIRA
Hays Financial Consulting, LLC
Atlanta Financial Center
3343 Peachtree Road, N.E.
East Tower, Suite 200
Atlanta, GA 30326-1420
Neal R. Jacobson, Esq.
U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission
New York Regional Office
3 World Financial Center
New York, NY 10281
Pink Panther is shipping now here is link
http://www.spongetechs.com/v/vspfiles/NewPP1.asp
See the part where it says "SHIPPING NOW" not preorder. What is so hard to understand?
Pink Panther Ships 3-5 Days
I guess that kills your pre-order, no.
http://www.spongetechs.com/v/vspfiles/NewPP1.asp
Are you stating that I am some how involved with spng or am being paid by someone to be here. I vave been in spng since it was less then .02 and have belief their is a attempt being made to distroy this company.
I agree their are problems with things they did or have done. You would need to be blind to not see that. I stand by my investment as there are also a lot of good things about the product where it is sold as so on. The technoligy also is very useful. I just have a problem with the unslaught of the same stuff on and on and on. The attack on me today and all you guys questioning why I am here. I would ask why do you care.
Some one said if you see a bridge that needs repair it is you duty to call to have it fixed. I agree, but you have been calling for a year now and the bridge is still there. Move on rescue others I guess any one holding SPNG is to stupid to heed your warning. I guess I am one of them but thanks for letting me know.
Please show me one post where I asked for advice as to buy or sell any stock. Show me 1 post where I told someone to sell or buy any stock. Again just more lies from the crew. Did you ever wonder what if spng comes through this and some day just trades at $1.00 and someone read some of your lies {all be it not all stuff is lies as I admit spng has problems} and did not buy any spng. Are you okay with that.
Do you have proof they're not making payroll.
Why is always bad.
The big April DUMP
I guess I missed it how did the sponge share dump go?? I mean I thought they were pumping it to do the big dump. What will be next the May dump???
Why so much effort to fail
I have been in spng for over a year sold some bought some so on. The last time I checked the company made a spng not rocket science a sponge. I am still amazed to this day how many people want this company to fail. I just have to say why is that.
I heard because it is a scam and I am looking out for the "Newbies" and so on. But did you ever ask yourself why do so many people care about a spng company. I can name 100 stocks that are scams and no one cares if anyone losses money in them.
I can't help but look at the other side of this. Does someone have a lot to lose here. Why would their be so much care in this. I am ashamed to admit I bought some EESO and that did not turn out well. I lost a few bucks. It really is a scam. I have never gone back to post after I sold it. I could care less about it now. You live and learn.
People post on here who admit they hold no shares of spng. Ask yourself why would you even bother. Post after post after post for what. I thank you all for caring about my money but I am a big boy and will accept the loss if so be it.
Report it as off subjest or whatever but it is the truth of this whole thing. Someone has a lot to lose. Not Me!
Can you please explain or post proof to the comment
"And They Will Be Revoked" again just more of the gloom and doom with nothing but wishful thinking to back it up.
A fact is not something we wish for or just want to believe is the truth. You have no way to proove that statement just as if I had said this stock will be at $5.00 a share in a year.
He has not lost anything until he sells maybe you should ask him why he has not sold yet. Could he know what I do?
No I would say This is why SPNG is "the best stock in the world"?
Wal-mart
K-Mart
Walgreens
Sears
Shoprite
Cosco
Spongebob
Dora
Dicon
Marvel Sponges
Pink Panther
Medical Sponges
Just For You
Marine Sponges
Carwash Sponges
Puddle Pals
Pet Sponges
Tile & Bath Sponges
Lysol?????
Online Sales
45,000 Retail Stores Across The USA
On and on on and on on and on!
Why else would we be here any ideas!
I am sure you know how wall street works. Besides you can post stuff as facts why am I any different.
So I ask why would Pike spend almost $18 million dollars for 180 million shares in a company that has 3 billion shares. Rich people are rich for a reason and it is not because they give money away. There is no way he does that without nowing the share count as a fact. My opinion but it is just as good as yours.
I just want to clarify something that you stated as fact.
Your reply to me is below.
1 If you do not care about my money and sponge is a scam what is the purpose of posting here.
2 If I bought 1 million shares of spng at .01 way back when and sold half of them for .25 and now hold 500 thousand for about {can't remember for sure 9 months} that does not make me a long?? I would say it makes me pretty smart. Bank some hold some.
3. Prove that there sales numbers all false. A link a document something other then what you "THINK" or want them to be. I say 50 million in sales and 722 million shares show me anthing with a link to state other wise. You can't that is why this just gets hammered to death as a fact. The last time I checked a Fact was something that you can prove. It is not a opinion or a hope or something that you need.
This was the reply to me below:
1. I really don't care what you do with your money, contrary to what you are stating.
2. The fact that you admit to riding "free shares" proves that you have been selling shares all along, contrary to what your "long" statements on this message board have been to get people to hold on to their stock.
3. The difference between my estimate of SPNG sales and net income compared to those previously released by SPNG is that MY FIGURES HAVE NOT BEEN PROVEN TO BE FALSE BY THE SEC LIKE THOSE OF SPNG HAVE.
Oldtymer,
That is just your stated opinion and what suits your needs. I asked for a link to a real site not a picture of what you or others on here assume. If there was a real website like a court house or other legal site why not just post the link.
I will answer that for you. Ypu can't do it. It is easier to spread doubt and fear to others by just letting them believe that it is a fact, without ever proving your point. I mean be serious if there was a leagal site that stated 100% the share count was 3 billion it the link would be posted all over here. Just as if it was 722 million for sure. The fact is we do not know what it is.
So I guess I proved my point because all you can do is assume it is 3 billion with no REAL proof to back it up. I am pretty sure I knew that already but just wanted to give you another chance to post the link.
Can someone please post a link to the 3 billion share count that is on any type of legal website. They are court papers they should be somewhere we can see. I mean the document that claims there is 15,500 shares short of the 3 billion is posted where??