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Holding my shares too. Most of them.
I haven't went anywhere. I have averaged down quite a bit, and sitting quite pretty now.
The most impressive statements I've read was the quotes of No Bankruptcy, and No RS. I hope they hold true. But have to wonder where the cash is going to come from now, to try AGAIN to get things going.
Lurking in the shadows,,,,,, Lodr
No goldapple, didn't forget,,,,,
Just didn't list, as I stated, there are so many possibilities.
There are so many different ways to look at each possibility.
Soooo, I didn't feel like typing a book, sooo, I just choose what came to mind at that piticular moment, and those fleeting thoughts change constantly, when DGRI is the focus.
The problem is all the smoke. It's sooo thick, a clear view is unattainable, By Me.
GLTA,
Lodr
I clearly have no idea other than,,,,,
The Stock Price!!!!
I have held one stock to zero. Lost all.
I've sold a stock, after huge losses.
I've sold a stock after losses, only to watch it go through the roof within a week of my sell.
What I've learned. You invest in many different areas. You don't marry a stock. You have a set % to take winnings off the table. You have a set % to take losses.
What I've learned. There are unwritten rules to this game, and if you don't play by these rules, 99.9% of the time, you will lose.
What I've learned. The odds are so great against hitting the lottery. The deck is stacked. I've read about minipulation. So many different ways to manipulate, I won't even go there.
Just a (FEW) possibilities of maipulation here at DGRI:
No contact from Dutch Gold.
Bad Financials.
No deep drill assays from BG.
Apparent lack of funding.
No info on Minnie Moore.
Proposed goals pushed back.
Apparent law suits.
Shuffling of properties (Bought/Sold/Leased).
Statements made on this site.
Dilution.
That's just a few (Possible) tactics to manipulate.
Could Dutch be in big trouble. Well, according to what I wrote above, you would think sooooooo.
BUT,,,,,,,,,
What else could be (Possibilities)
It could be manipulation to get US shareholders to give up and sell our shares. It could be to manipulate the price down to obtain real cheap shares. Maybe, just maybe those deep drill assays at BG were beyond belief.
Sooooo many different possibilities??????
What I know, NOTHING!!!!
GLTA,
Lodr
Maybe, the payment is,,,,,,,,,
This is from the CEO letter sent in our E-mails.
The interview will take place this upcoming weekend, and it will be made available next week on Monday, December 12. It will be posted at www.stockhousegroup.com
There are two things of interest to me in that statement.
First: You will need to go to SHG to find the questions/answers on Monday. According to that statement, this isn't being sent in your e-mail or promoted in a PR.
Second: Maybe this has already been pointed out, but if not, there is a typo. The statement says December 12th. That was last Monday. Is it actually suppose to say December 19th????????????
Has anyone recieved a conformation that the date is actually December 19th?????? That does need clarification!!!!!!
Thanks Lodr
What is SHG group being paid????
I had this question, and was told they, (SHG), are not getting paid anything. Nothing, nilch, notta, in No way shape or form. I understand that doesn't seem real, but that is what I was told, this week.
Lodr
Soooo, Today, Due Date!!!!
Just wondering if they paid their RENT today at Minnie Moore.
If not, there won't be an eviction notice. The gate will be locked and Dutch won't have a key to get in.
This is the news that needs to be known TODAY.
They have until close of business today to pay their 10,000 dollar a month rent.
The LANDLORD can offer this info.........
Lodr
Very Important!!!!!!
I'm writing this because of a mistake I made.
I gave my word, that if, after I go back and research, that I found I was wrong, I would admit that.
So what I'm saying to all here. What I recalled was all correct EXCEPT for one VERY IMPORTANT part.
It wasn't SHG
Take care all,
Lodr
If I'm incorrect, than I'll admit that.
I will go back and research again.
I trade in many different areas.
I'm not a Day Trader.
If I'am wrong, than it could be only one other service, and that would be Min Mar.
Lastly, if not paid, your saying SHG is doing this out of the goodness of their heart????
Payment for services comes in many different ways.
If there is some sort of payment, will you admit that, if I'm willing to admit I may be wrong????
I have nothing against anyone here. I've learned over time, and am pretty good at this NOW, but there was a learning curve.
As there is right here at DGRI. I do moderate sites, just not here.
Take care all, Lodr
Exactly!!!!
Do I hope things work out great here at HFBG, YES
I'am a shareholder
Nuff said,
Lodr
So is it customary to accuse someone or something
I'm not accusing or implying any wrong doing. PERIOD!!!!
What I'am saying is what I have witnessed, was there any wrong doing, I DON'T KNOW.
Do unwarranted things happen???? Yes they do.
Is there corruption in this world???? Yes there is.
Do you believe bankers are crooks???? That's a very broad question. If you answered yes, than you're most likely wrong, because you have No Proof.
Again, why pay SHG??????????
Why not just have a live CC, with a number for shareholders to call in???????????
That's THE QUESTION!!!!!
Lodr
Ya all can believe what you want.
I didn't say what I witnessed before, Will occur here!!!!
I did say what I saw and read, verbatum.
I did say most was alleged, and not proven.
I'll say this:
We will get a PR from SHG, and the letter will have questions, and JAG's answer to each question. Ohhhhhh Boy!!!!!
What I'm NOT saying is:
Were all questions answered?? I don't know
Were the questions that were answered, coached responses?? I don't know.
Will the questiones answered, leave you wanting to ask follow up questions to the answer???? I don't know for sure, BUT, and I say again, believe what you want, BUT, YES probably, you will want to ask other questions.
Here's the best QUESTION no one is asking. This is the QUESTION that concerns me the most.
WHY JAG, why use SHG when you could have handled this better, WITHOUT paying for a service that's not needed, for the SHAREHOLDERS.
SHG isn't needed, To perform whats needed, whats being said as the reason for this question/answer report.
JAG, you could have eliminated paying SHG, and answered our questions, and as the CEO of HFBG, you should be able to answer all questions.
JAG, I making my request now, and that's to do live CC's Conference Calls with a dial in number for us shareholders, and get rid of the COST of someone to type up your questions/answers.
Here's one last question. What's the contract with SHG?????????
Lodr
They have just over 48 hrs left.
Rent is due on Minnie Moore Thurday the 15th.
So my question goes out to you all.
What would your thoughts be??????
If Thursday passes and there's No news, and Dutch doesn't pay the 10,000 due according to their lease agreement with Minnie Moore.
Just wondering what everyone would think is happening, or what is happening after that???
Thanks, Lodr
Caused a little Up-Roar,
My earlier comments on my previous involvement with SHG has caused a little Up-Roar with some here, (Apparently). I have received PM's and there have been posts here that were deleted.
I will only add this, and this is it. I will not answer any questions about SHG, or HFBG. Because what I said, most was alleged. I will also say, the Jr Miner that I was involved with as a shareholder, is not listed here as one of the companies I follow. SHG was hired by this JR Miner to promote them, and that's what they did, PROMOTE.
The information SHG provided to shareholders, they (SHG) said they received from the JR Miner.
So when SHG provided information on what the CEO of the JR Miner said HE WOULD DO ==========>>>>> OFFER!!!!! The Jr Miners stock price would go up, momentarily, but after awhile when it became obvious the stated OFFER wouldn't be done. The share price would drop. This happened approximately a half dozen times within an 8 month time frame.
I have no information that anything was done to fleece shareholders, and I'm not implying that. Like I said in my earlier post most was alleged.
I'll lastly add. If you have questions regarding SHG. I suggest you contact them, or visit their web site, and have a look at the bullets they provide on what their services are.
This is all I will say on SHG. If you send me questions or ask on this board. Just know this: I will not answer, because I have no proven answers.
I still hold out hope for HFBG, and will continue to do so.
GLTA,
Lodr
GO800 Canada, Now that is a thought.
To be totally honest, never thought about the merger GOCOM.
I actually have no idea if the application is still good, or possibly void, since the merger and move out of country.
Maybe the patent app is still valid. I would also imagine Canada honors US patents, BUT, I do know China don't.
China is the texting mega center. I know they wouldn't honor US, or anyones patents.
Lodr
SHG provides newsletter and interviews for many Tickers
I would like to add my thoughts.
I have been involved with another (Pink) who did these question/answer sessions with SHG. There are a few things that came of these shows and some alleged.
1) It did help the stock momentarily, but the CEO of that company didn't follow through with proposed offerings.
2) Those who had a problem with that company, before SHG's show, immediately following, posted that none of their questions were choose to be answered.
3) It was posted by many, those who didn't like the said company, that SHG is also a Day Trading company. It was alleged that SHG has over a dozen Day Traders employed that use these Question/Answer shows to perform their Day Trading. It was alleged that the Day Traders knew the Questions/Answers before this info was released to the public.
The allegations that SHG was also a Day Trading Co. was never proven that I'm aware of. I'm only informing (Ya All) of my experience to prepare (Ya All) for the POSSIBLE, after the Question/Answer session.....
I would like to add what I would have perferred JAG to have a:
Live, Phone in, CC (Conference Call). Than those who have questions can call in with their questions. This is heard by all who attends, and eliminates those who say that their questions weren't made available.
Anyhow, this is what I've been part of before, and will be monitoring to see how this one goes. It has been and will continue to be my hopes that HFBG succeeds.
Happy holidays to all,
Lodr
Pause and Contemplate
For those who received GoCom shares. The patent application for GO800’s text messaging service has now passed the TWO YEAR mark. The application for patents USUALLY take approximating 2 years. So this is something to be keeping your eyes on, MAYBE, and that is a big MAYBE.
NEW YORK, NY--(Marketwire - December 1, 2009) - GoIP Global, Inc. (PINKSHEETS: GOIG) today announced that its subsidiary Go800, LLC has filed a provisional patent application and federal trademark registration. The Pitcock Law Group www.pitcocklawgroup.com, a law firm specializing in Intellectual Property protection and enforcement, filed the applications on behalf of the company. The Go800™ text messaging service is in beta testing and is scheduled to be launched first quarter 2010, targeting major US corporate advertisers.
Also, for those involved. I would still like to know what happened with the cash from the sale. Some have said is wasn’t a big deal. I say, if it was worth a STEAK DINNER I want to see it filed. Ike shouldn’t be allowed to just receive this cash for his own STEAK DINNER. Even though I’m sure he already did.
NEW YORK, Dec. 31 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ - GoIP Global Inc. (GOIG; http://www.goigcorp.com) announces the sale of its China based assets to assure profit increase for its shareholders in the upcoming quarters.
Apart from selling its EE Global subsidiary as announced in the press release from Dec 21, 2009, and in the light of the company's upcoming debut of its Go800 made-for-mobile service that the company has already submitted patent application and registered with the largest US cell phone providers, GOIG decided that the best way to increase shareholder value is to sell off its remaining China based assets, namely its SPC Belize (Special Purpose Company), namely Wuhan Media and Yezhifeng Media.
The buyer is a US based MonArc Corp www.monacorporation.com who will complete the purchase on all stock basis of about 1.5 billion shares. Filings will be made on Pink Sheets shortly.
Ike H. Sutton, the CEO of GOIG, said, "We've decided to sell our China based subsidiaries and fully focus on our US operations, where our shareholders can easily track and even contribute to our market success. We expect to launch our Go800 service in the 1st quarter of 2010. This service has a tremendous upside and we expect to fully capitalize on the made-for-mobile market and substantially raise the share value. This is a new, revamped and polished GOIG, and the shareholders will reap the rewards soon."
Take care all, have some wonderful times with family and friends this holiday season, and whenever possible!!!!!!
Lodr
Hey all, able to post again.
I have a little problem with this post.
HFBG heads up
For those who still want the company to succeed, be warned that a strong rumor (and by rumor I mean fact) has it that someone called the new distributor announced in the company's most recent PR and went off like a raving lunatic on a recorded message. It freaked the guy out and he has called the police and is sending the recording to Jessica who is in turn sending it to the Phoenix police and the company's attorney. I think "Joe Caller" might be getting a knock at the door soon. Let's just say that there are some who are out to ruin anything the company does and the company needs to take action quickly. Working on getting that recording to have posted somewhere so we can all listen to the lunacy.
My problem is how the sequences are apparently being handled.
It is stated the Distributor CALLED the police, but sending the recorded message to JAG. That's not how it's done. The police would have instructed the Distributor that they, (The Police) would be over to hear and take custody of such evidence. So the statement that the Distributor is sending to JAG, has to be false. That's a complete loss of custody, and even the most rookie of all police are drilled this in their head. Besides that, Rookie police don't work alone. The Distributor is the one who called police and made the complaint known. Now, if JAG has any evidence to add to this recording, than that's a whole different custody issue.
Anyhow, nice to be back all. My ban has been lifted, but I have to be good.
Take care all,
Lodr
Thanks, been here with you,
I can totally understand your resoning.
I don't frequent here much anymore, I too have lost, not as much as your stated amount, but even if it was a buck. I still wouldn't be happy with the misleading adventures allowed here. It would seem that at least 90% of what has went on here, should be illegal, but what I've learned since the market crash of 08. Just about anything is allowed to fleece the shareholder. The really bad thing is the unequal fairness. All the way down to different state laws that govern corporations, and NEVADA and Florida are the worse. Hint!!!!!
I have GOIG on one of my watch lists.
Take care, enjoy the holidays, enjoy your family, and don't let Ike's actions/inactions ruin any of that. His day will come.
Lodr
What we know, coming this week.
On Thursday the 15th, Dutch Gold (DGRI) must pay 10,000 dollars for it's lease at Minnie Moore. That payment must be paid, no later than close of business on the 15th. The contract DOES NOT allow for any exemptions to: payment due by close of business.
If that payment isn't made, contract is null, and Dutch Gold is no longer allowed on Minnie Moore property.
We could possibly receive news before the 15th. We could receive news before the 15th that has nothing to do with Minni Moore, BUT the facts are, that 10,000 dollars must be paid on or before the 15th.
Another fact is, 5,000 dollars is also due every month for a consultant. So that's 15,000 due every month just for Dutch Gold to have access to Minnie Moore.
If these payments are made, Dutch Gold needs to PR their work completed at Minnie Moore. Otherwise, this is just being prolonged another 30 days. WHY??????? I'll not speculate on that. I'll leave that up to (ya all's) imagination.
Lodr
Could they same be said for Basin Gulch????
Deinhart did not start Oregon thinking he would lose millions. The mining people in Oregon knew far better than Deinhart or DH about the Oregon property they kept working because they too thought they could make money. I am sure that is exactly what they kept telling Deinhart and DH while asking them to send more and more money to Oregon--which they did until there was no more money to send
In your statement, could shareholders replace Deinhart, and Oregon property be replaced with Basin Gulch???????
It's very possible,
Lodr
If you have a nickle in your pocket, someone wants to steal it from you.
I live by that saying. I trust no one.
Did Dan deserve his bonus???? From what I can see, which isn't the Whole Picture, He didn't, BUT from what I know, I don't know, YET.
Could there be Deviant things going on, INSIDE Dutch Gold? Oh Yeah. Is there Deviant things going on, INSIDE Dutch Gold? I don't
Know!!!!
Is there Great news, coming soon, from Dutch Gold? I don't know. Born without a clue on that one!!!!
What I do know, right now, at this moment, is that:
1) Dutch Gold HAS TO pay 10,000 dollars by next Thursday, due by close of business that day, for it's lease on Minnie Moore. If it isn't paid. Not Good!!!! Turn out the lights, Minnie Moore is over.
2) The other thing I know is:
My Nickle, that I've entrusted in Dutch Gold, someone has been stealing from it. They haven't got it all, but they sure have been taking unauthorized withdrawals.
GLTA,
Lodr
Hell, you don't need my advice.
You seem to have a good grip on what to do. Even though, with all the turmoil these days, it's hard for the old dogs to figure out what's right.
I've added a site I was turned onto a few years ago. Has a lot of good info on trading, other sites to obtain info, and a list of metal Jr's they follow. Pretty good site, for some quick info.
http://cjrs.ca/
I'm also a moderator on a Gold/Silver web site. The site was created in 2009. The creator and a few of us others were tired of the bashing on Silverseek. So GoldSilverChat.com was created. You can find some very different perspectives on many issues facing this world.
My current drive is in Warrants. These can be very beneficial, but there are different rules on Warrants in Canada.
I use Canadianwarrants.com. There are things to learn about this also. Again, volume is most important.
I would lastly like to add something I've recently learned the hard way, and that is: The states Nevada, and Florida are very lax on company rules. So one of the first things I check before buying any companies stock, is where are they Headquartered. If a company has choose either Nevada or Florida, they immediately have a strike against them in my book. These two states laws allow CEO's to do things with a company that can easily rake a shareholder through the coals.
Anyhow, GLTA.
Lodr
God I hate this stock
Plenty of reasons to be concerned, and for those who bought in at very higher prices, there certainly is most likely a High Degree of Dislike, but it's not time to throw in your hand yet. I have been part of a few pennies, (Pinks), that looked dead in the water, but came to life when doom and gloom seemed so imminent.
I have also been part of a few that died, and am part of one now that looks worse than DGRI.
I'd also like to add something I've learned over time. Almost all pennies, (Pinks), that I have on watch lists, again, almost every single one drops to the depths of close death. They usually seem dead for quite sometime, and than the game starts over. It goes up, and quickly, but than goes down again. They all are,,,,,,,,,
Roller Coasters. All of them.
Not time to HATE yet.
GLTA,
Lodr
What WE ALL know about Minnie Moore is,
VERY LITTLE except for a few little tidbits here and there, but there is one thing we do know, and it's next Thursday. A week from tomorrow.
Dutch Gold has to pay 10,000 dollars, a monthly lease fee due on the 15th. So what we do know is they have to pay that money next Thursday, or Dutch Gold is no longer allowed on Minnie Moore property.
I'm hoping for good news before than, on anything, but if we don't recieve any news. I will be watching to see if they pay their rent, otherwise it's game over at Minnie Moore.
Cmon DGRI, throw us hungry hounds a golden bone for Christmas.
Lodr
My calender says it` s still the 4th quarter!
That is a true quote. I do agree with your quote.
I also hold onto hope for a few reasons. First, because if speculating was easy, everyone would do it, and it wouldn't be worth anything.
and lastly because,
I'm just like Sgt Schultz from Hogan's Heros.
"I know nothing."
That is also a true quote. Just thinking outside the box.
GLTA,
LODR
OK, so if I'm correct in understanding???
We both don't really know. We both hold onto hope.
But with each passing day, our hope fades.
Do understand, I'am not bashing DGRI, I'm just concerned.
Have a Great day all.
LODR
I'll just say this.
It is a known fact. It is how froeclosures work.
You can be in the process of forclosure, and purchase another property. What I'm saying is, You can start the forclosure on a property, and at the same time buy a different property. You are allowed to purchase a different property without any problems before your other property goes into forclosure. Just something to think about. It's happening all over our great US of A, right now, as I write this.
I was just down in Florida. I'm actually shopping for Real Estate now, in Florida. I see it as a huge investment. Homes that sold for 300,000 in 2007, are now selling for around 100, to 150,000 today. These homes cannot be built this cheap today. I will be buying a property soon in Florida. I also believe interest rates will drop into the upper 3% range again after the first of the year. I will be buying than. This is an investment that I see as once in a lifetime. IMO, Real Estate prices will return within 5 years, and interest rates ARE GOING UP. Inflation is coming!!!!
I don't feel for Rauno P. because I feel there's more to your story than meets the eye. People are not held respondsible for there debts. I had a friend in Colo who owned a 250,000 dollar home, a stingray, a van, a truck, and a trailer. He bought his van with a credit card. He kept transfering his debt from one cedit card to another for the lowest interest rate. He than took a trip to Australia, went scuba diving, and a lot more. All on a credit card. He filed bankruptsy as soon as he returned. They erased 60% of his debt, and he kept his home, his stingray, his van, his truck,and his trailer. Sooooo, I don't feel sorry for some of these people, at least until I know the whole story. So, Rauno's foreclosure may not be doom and gloom as it appears.
LODR
SPOT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote of the day:
we are on Ihub and it is impossible to no the real intentions of anyone here including me.
I won't post my thoughts of any poster here, because I found out early on, that's what gets you BANNED. I'm not in any way inplying intentions of anyone here, but I will say, "I'm currently banned from one blog and the moderator who banned me did/does have his intentions, and his intentions didn't like being pointed out. So with his almighty power, he banned me. Nuff Said.
I believe I have been stead fast on my thoughts of DGRI and it's MGMT. My concerns came to a head when MGMT jumped into the Altura/Shamika deal, because after reading the deal, it became clear that our Geologist, Rauno P. was already involved. In that deal his was bought out, by Dutch Gold, which by the way, he was involved in. Than shortly after Shamika went tits up, but Rauno P got his money.
There are some here that believe the problem squarely rests with Dienhart. That's very possible, but if I may add Rauno P. is the one in two CC's ago, talked about another accusition in about 3 WEEKS!!!!! He has had his hands directly on BASIN GULCH for over 30 years, thoughout all the drilling, thoughout all the MGMT compensation, throughout ALL THE PROMISES. This man has more to do with DUTCH's plans than most here want to address, or believe. IMO, the answers lie squarely in his lap. His 30 year compensation without any results. His comments on that CC about another accusition in 3 weeks. His compensation for the SHAM deal, and his 20,000,000 shares, or is that actually 30,000,000 shares????? It really depends on which filing you look at. There's over 30 years of writing on this man's wall, don't overlook the obvious. This has been my position and will remain so, until otherwise PROVEN different. Also, don't wash this man's hands of our apparent 43-101. His fingerprints are all over it.
I too can afford to hold this for years, if needed, it was a gamble I can afford to lose, but that doesn't make it taste any better, because I DON'T LIKE TO LOSE!!!!!!
I still hold my cards, and will continue. There's always a possibility of being dealt a couple WILD CARDS.
GLTA, be diverse in your holdings, and never, ever PLOP your, (ALL IN CASH), in one buy. Never do that!!!!!!
LODR
This is something we do know.
That if Dutch wants to continue with Minnie Moore, that in two weeks they have to pay 10,000.
3. ADVANCE PRODUCTION PAYMENTS.
In the event that Lessee decides to continue to evaluate and develop the minerals on the Property, Lessee shall pay Lessor the sum of TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS ($10,000.00) on or before the end of the day on December 15, 2011. Thereafter, commencing on the fifteenth day of each month, Lessee shall pay Lessor as advance production payments the sum of Ten Thousand Dollars ($10,000.00) monthly during the Agreement term (the “Advance Production Payments”). All advance production payments shall be due and payable in advance on the fifteenth day of each subsequent month, without any deduction or offset whatsoever and prior to notice or demand, to Lessor at the address listed above, or at such other place as Lessor may from time to time designated in writing.
GLTA,
Lodr
MUST KNOWS before buying a JM!!!!
Wish I would have had this article a long time ago. I'm like many of you, very little faith left. My greatest wonder is: If we are to be taken, How long did they know??????
I still hold a glimmer of hope, but that glimmer is fading. I would strongly suggest everyone here to read the below pasted article before you ever invest in a JM again. It's long, so I suggest you copy and paste as a word doc.
GLTA, and I can only hope.
Lodr
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With all the hand-wringing about why the "blankity-blank gold and silver stocks are way behind bullion" currently festering, we seek to calm some of your fears. Go to Hollywood with Frankie and Relax. Take a breather from stocks and pile into physical for a short while. At least with future investment funds. Hold your existing stocks. Actual, fully paid-for, low-premium bullion coins in your tight little hands are always a safer investment, especially so for the smaller capitalized/beginner investor. Gold and silver coins may not be quite sexy enough for many investors, but I'll take their girl-next-door beauty everyday over any sultry siren promising more than she can deliver. As long as we know the stock risks and their potential rewards, they are FUN to play with. So, let's all pile into the sandbox. Watch out for the evidence of kitty cats.
Let's take a look at the long, long list of things that have to go exactly right in order for you to even have a cool, shiny gold coin in your sweaty little palms. Join me as we plunge hand-in-hand down the mineshaft:
• You have to find gold, first. It isn't everywhere, at least not in "profitable" amounts. I can take you on a hike to many of the U.S. western states and let you stand right on top of $10 million dollars worth of gold. Before you make your reservations and buy a shovel, let me point out that it would take $20 million to get it out of the ground, so it stays there. At least at today's prices, and likely for several years worth of price increases to come. While we all would like to simply reach down and pick up placer or nugget gold right off the ground, it isn't anywhere near that simple. Big chunks of gold are rare. Tiny, tiny pieces (flakes and sand-size particles) and grains invisible to the naked eye are common. It takes experts and years of experience to recognize potential ore bodies and see all of the competing, complex and inter-related factors clearly enough to even bother to drill the first hole. It is an art, and there are far too many paint by number geologists and not enough da Vinci's. This is the reason why the geologists and consultants who have successfully navigated the minefields needed to bring a dirty pile of rock all the way to profitability can be counted on about two hands. And they are well known and in great demand. For every 10 phone calls they get from a startup, they return one. Most geologists spend their entire career without ever finding a "profitable at the current gold price" ore body. Pay attention. That's a hint. Your chances of ever making money on an explorer are greatly increased if these field marshals are on board. Especially if they have put their money where their math is by supplying their own shekels along with their skills.
• Gold is sometimes found in veins of quartz (you know, silicon dioxide, or another form of beach sand) where the gold is "massive" and can be seen with the naked eye. These lovely little strips, ribbons or flakes of yellow payola are found with native silver (bonus!) and various sulfides of copper (another bonus), lead, and antimony also in the host rock. Also common in places where gold can be profitably mined are ores containing microscopic sulfides and tellurides of gold, sometimes with other quite nasty interlopers we don't want, like arsenic. All of the other things may be useful and valuable, but we mention them for this reason: It cost more, sometimes a great deal more, to separate the things we don't want, at least not primarily, from the gold. Some of these other minerals can be separated and sold at a profit; profit which clearly subsidizes the cost of the gold extraction. There are even some mines where the copper is so rich and the gold is an "accident" that the gold is sold to subsidize the cost of getting the copper. A great portion of mining engineering has been devoted to optimal techniques to separate the "good" from the "bad". At low cost and safely for the miners, the environment, and the marketplace. Some "Rube Goldberg on crack" contraption may be clever, but it probably won't pass mining inspection.
• All those other things we don't want often force the design of the ore processing facility and often the method of mining. In some cases, the engineers have no flexibility. They have to do it one way and one way only. This lack of flexibility is expensive and adds overhead burden to the net cash cost per ounce finally recovered. In many instances the ore from the same mine has different grades or a mix of different mineralizations. This requires expensive pre-sorting or pre-separation in order to feed it to the correct "next step" in the process. The mine has to be designed around everything they expect to process and this increases the cost enormously. Gold is often found near the surface but may follow veins below even several miles or more. Durban Deep in South Africa is currently chasing ore 2 miles below the surface. This is outrageously expensive, if the gold ore wasn't rich enough to justify this subterranean maelstrom it would never happen. The host rock may be more or less brittle and fracture or collapse as the ore is removed. This restricts how you can take the ore safely. You can't dig big, deep trenches without lots of expensive wood/steel lattice work added to reinforce the whole structure. In some mines, the vein or mineralization still runs onward, but they have to leave it in place because going further would ingloriously bring down the whole shebang. In some locations, they also are required to intentionally cave in the whole thing when closing the mine to reduce danger to curious explorers. Some of this gold may have been initially included in estimated reserves which would have boosted the aggregate share value if removed, but ultimately was simply left in the ground to the stockholder's dismay. We will discuss "proven/probable/inferred" reserves and resources later. Of course in many parts of the world there are much more, shall we say, "liberal" mining codes than the costly US rules. Even if you can simply run to the next village and replace all the "brave workers" who were victims of an adverse demonstration of the laws of physics, it is still expensive. And terribly politically incorrect to attempt to squeeze out every ounce at the lowest imaginable price. You have to spend a lot of extra money to do it "right" in both a technical and moral sense.
• Once an area with good potential is discovered by examining the surface rock, etc., it must be drilled to get a good idea of just how much gold is in the area. How deep is it? How large (surface acreage) is the area that contains gold beneath the surface? What is the surrounding rock type? Can it be blasted, drilled, or forced out with a high pressure water-hose? (You gotta see this in action; it's a fireman's fantasy!). A detailed geological map is made, nowadays using GPS receivers, to plot in detail every feature on the surface. Geologists, mining experts and various expensive personnel like chemists, metallurgists, ore processors, and plant engineers may study these initial results and mappings for MONTHS (getting paid everyday by YOU) before they even drill the first down hole. Wow, the cash injection from that first 10 million shares at a dime a share IPO is gone, and all of the experts with "consulting service invoices" in hand ain't even off the bus yet! "Mother Nature" has had her big strong fists around her precious bounty for a long time; she's not going to yield it to your tiny weak fists without a worthy battle.
• The best way to intelligently and honestly determine just how likely it is that any "ore body" will be mined profitably is to sink some drill holes. You can of course use a backhoe and dig shallow trenches, etc. as a starting point, but you HAVE to drill to do it right. This isn't cheap; these holes are not bored willy-nilly. Careful study and instinct lead to the selection of the drill sites. It can take weeks to drill a single hole after setting up the heavy, expensive rigging, especially if the area is remote or the terrain is anything other than flat or very gently sloping. You can imagine the drilling complexity along the side of a steep mountain deep in a jungle. Drilling holes right in the midst of an ore body with measurable surface gold will tell you the most important thing you need to know: Does this gold extend below the surface? If it does, just how deep does it go? And just how "rich" is the deposit? There might be "some", but not "enough" to be profitable. If we drill straight through a shallow surface deposit and find nothing, we know this gold has likely been deposited here after being carried away from somewhere else through weathering and erosion, earthquake hiccups, volcanic eruption or via ancient water courses long since dried up. Then you go looking for the "somewhere else". It may lead you to someone else's claim just up the mountain slope. Too bad. It was fun while it lasted.
• Rotary type drilling is relatively expensive compared to "diamond core" drilling, which is really king. The rotary drill technique loosens and scatters the earth. It also breaks up the rock allowing inspection and assay of the sample. Assay refers to the process of determining very accurately just how much actual gold is in the sample and is discussed in more detail later. Diamond tipped core drilling is the most versatile and expensive, but gives an excellent indication of just how the gold ore lays in the earth. Knowing this can save a great deal of time and money during the extraction process; only the minimum amount of overburden will have to be removed and processed. Just like taking x-rays and MRI imaging before "cutting", the surgeon minimizes damage to surrounding tissue and speeds the healing process. The diamond drill uses a circular, hollow bit from about 1 inch up to about 4 inches in diameter. Water is pumped into the hole to lubricate and cool the bit as she grinds deeper. The ore sample is trapped in the center of the bit as she goes lower. External sludge remains outside the drill bit and is pumped up and out, then discarded. The good stuff you want is tucked safely inside the drill bit. The actual process is much more complicated, but you get the idea. The core sample is carefully tagged and labeled to match it up with its exact location on the geological survey maps. The core is placed in special storage tubes or compartments and VERY carefully guarded for two reasons; to protect the integrity of the sample and keep competitors and "spies" from knowing just what you may have found. Oh yes, exploratory drilling often takes many years, maybe a decade or more for a large ore body before everything can be fully analyzed to determine if it's going to ever be profitable to rip the metal from the earth. Cash ponied up from stockholders via IPO's and private placements, venture capitalists, banking concerns, etc. is being burned throughout this very long process. Roughly 97% of all discoveries never graduate from an exploratory dream to a producing mine; they succumb to infant mortality even though tens of millions of your dollars were spent in a heroic but futile attempt to save her life.
• After honeycombing the earth around the property through drilling we have a good idea about the distribution of the ore. The more holes you drill, the more it costs and the longer it takes, but the better the picture of just what you have found. We will likely know roughly where veins and mineralization pockets start and stop, which way they run and how deep they go. Some drill holes may show good yields while others show little or no gold in that "plug". It is VERY important that the drill intersects the ore pocket at right angles to its "run" or "lay" in the earth so the thickness of the seam can be accurately determined. Drilling at any other angle may lead to HUGE errors in the calculations about just how much golden pay dirt is actually present. These HUGE errors can lead to the completely erroneous assumption that there is much more gold present than in reality. If these dubious results are published too early and lead to massive buying of the stock, you will have a NASTY surprise later in the drill regimen as these pockets are more clearly defined with subsequent drilling. The area is then divided into "zones of occurrence" typically to classify them as low grade or high grade regions. This is kind of arbitrary and relative. An ore body with many "low" grade zones can be profitably mined if the gold is close to the surface, easy to get to and the mineralization is amenable to simple mechanical and chemical separation of the gold from everything else we don't want. By the same token, a mine with easy to get high grades can die early. All the cream is scooped up when the gold price per ounce is low; it's the only portion of the ore reserves than can be extracted profitably when gold prices are low. This will kill the mine. They will have to replace their reserves through new discovery (outrageously expensive and hard to do), junior acquisitions (very expensive) or mergers with rivals to survive. Otherwise, they die. Cash flow or dividends from that stock are GONE long before you wanted them to end. The stock price may plummet; you won't even realize a much sought after capital-gain profit through stock price appreciation.
• What is all this mumbo-jumbo about proven, probable and inferred reserves or measured, indicated and inferred resources? This is one of the most significant bits of information when considering if any resource mining company WILL EVER BE PROFITABLE. Important caveat: All jurisdictions do not define these terms equally. In the United States the SEC prefers one set of definitions that must be adhered to when quoting ore discoveries in press releases, prospectuses, quarterly reports, etc. Canada has another set of standard definitions, which are different from those of Australia/New Zealand, which are very much different than the rest of the world. The definitions have VERY specific legal import and interpretation relative to risk disclosure and fraud. The reported accuracy of the "ore richness" terms often becomes the central point of any nasty post-bankruptcy litigation. All slices of "truth" in reporting are not created equal. It is very difficult for even an experienced geologist to make relative comparisons between mines in different parts of the world using the data that is reported. For example, in Canada these are the standard terms and their meanings:
1. The term "Resource" is used for exploratory and prospecting ventures that are not yet producing or even close to producing. This is for the "dirty pile of rock" that looks promising. That's it; nothing else is really known, so we call it a "resource". Resources are classified as measured, indicated, or inferred. If it is unknown, it has to be identified as unknown. Combinations of all these categories are permitted. Definitions:
? Measured: The thickness, grade (in grams of gold per ton of host rock), distribution and extent of the deposit is "fully" known, or at least with great statistical confidence. Where the ore starts and stops in every direction should be "known". Many, many drill holes and assays are completed and analyzed. Relative concentrations of gold ore to host rock and overburden are "known".
? Indicated: Only a "few" drill core samples and assays of those cores may be completed and sufficient to calculate tonnage and grade. Inferred projection of the "goodies in the ground" at a measurable distance away from the drill holes is permissible with limitations. It is very expensive to drill every few feet, so you have to make reasonable assumptions about what is hidden between the drill holes; it may be a bonanza, it may be nothing.
? Inferred: Usually only crude, high level ground survey or statistical "sampling" of the area has been performed. Not enough actual testing has been performed. "Gee, it kind of looks like that outcropping way over there has some gold in it too; it looks like it starts here and continues all the way".
2. The term "Reserve" is used only for mines that are actually producing or very near that point. Much more is known about the richness, depth and expanse of the ore body. Drilling is complete and assays have been verified. Reserves are classified as proven, probable or possible.
? Proven: The actual entire ore reserves are stated explicitly in terms of the mineable tons. The chemical and metallurgical properties of the mineralization are very well known and documented. The mining method is clearly identified and optimized. The estimate of the "mine life" before resources are exhausted is extrapolated. All of the supporting infrastructure, ancillary requirements and capital costs are identified and indexed to expected price and "net profit" per ounce. This is the most important category and should always be carefully analyzed when picking a potential stock for inclusion in your portfolio. Almost everything else is a "sales pitch". You've been warned
? Probable: Only the mineable ore grades and tonnage are stated. The vein thickness is known and the way the gold ore lies in the ground is also known fairly well. Where mineralization starts and stops is reasonably estimated. This is often estimated from following industry accepted and permissible "ethical" procedures after drill results
? Possible: This is a big estimate of how much gold might be here; it is sometimes referred to as "potential" How many of us know people that never lived up to their "potential" for one reason or another? Same thing here. It may be no more than some geo-pseudo-scientific guess based on little more than review of earth mapping satellite imagery or surface surveys.
3. The ore can migrate from one category to another over time as the deposit is better measured and understood after more drilling and extraction is completed. Any given "zone of occurrence" can have only one classification at any given time. Lodes can turn out to be either richer or leaner than initially "guesstimated". It is NEVER an exact science, errors are inevitable. A simple decimal point higher or lower in any mathematical measurement can be the difference between profit and failure.
• Dirt and rock are heavy. Well, duh! Moving tons and tons of earth or overburden to eventually get a few grams of gold is common. One ounce of gold is about 31.1 grams. 10-20 tons or more, often much more, of earth will have to be completely processed to yield this final ounce. If it requires about 250 bucks of "all in cost effort" to perform this metallurgical magic and the metal was sold into the open market for 450 bucks, this only yields 200 bucks "profit". Be careful when you forget this by thinking "gee, a million ounces of proven reserves; this bad boy is worth 450 million". She's not. She may be "worth" far less than 200 million.
• Machinery to dig, drill and transport ore is expensive and often leased during the early years of a start up. They have to finance the payments of expensive machinery forever or burn start-up capital (provided by YOU via the "initial offering") at a rate that would even scare Bill Gates. The first hundred thousand ounces produced often have to be sold before the cash flow every common-stock investor is seeking even begins to materialize. The bankers, creditors and major financers always get paid first. Big machines require big energy. Big hauling trucks use up lots of diesel, diesel which is going up with the price of oil due to an ever more worthless dollar and explosive Asian demand. Ore crushing machines require lots of energy; often electricity. Getting electricity from the nearest generator all the way to the mine processing facility requires ground clearing, transmission wire and tower installation, and substation power step-down facilities which are all extremely expensive. Electricity generated from non-hydroelectric sources is also rising rapidly in cost. Even coal-fired boiler/steam turbine power plants are paying more for coal because China is sucking up every last briquette. Labor-wage inflation cost push has not hit the US, yet, but it is a problem where the local currency is strengthening relative to the nasty little US dollar, which is everywhere. (Isn't it amazing that penalties show up everywhere, everyday and in every form because of the worthlessness of the dollar?). Mines get fewer units of local currency in exchange for the gold they sell in declining value US dollars, even though the gold price is rising in those same dollars. They have to pay locals for supplies and labor in this harder to come by (relative to the dollar, that is) national currency. These are only some of the reasons for a drop in profitability in many mining operations even though the market price of gold is increasing.
• With all of the countless rules, laws, increasing environmental regulations (with stiff penalties and production delays for infractions) and ever growing national tax/royalty levies, I believe exploratory mining operations will decline in many parts of the industrialized west in the future. I expect many of the Yukos-type problems that occurred with Russian oil oligarchs to spill over into every other natural resource in the "rising from the ashes" golden Phoenix we call the reborn Soviet Union. I personally avoid operations completely or largely dependent on the "continuation of democratic rule of law and protection of free-market business interests" in locales where this is becoming an ever more naïve assumption. Ignore these geopolitical shifts to your own peril. In the third world, on the spot, impromptu inspections by the local mining chief, who is of course, the village mayor's brother-in-law, always seem to find something that is a no-no. Shakedowns and protection money payments are common in many smaller operations. So is claim jumping by squatters who are merely a nuisance. I wouldn't want to pay the same guy every month several thousand dollars to go away. Third world mine security officials are often more "creative". They might pay him the first time. The second time he will accidentally fall into an abandoned mineshaft.
• In US territory, the EPA is merciless. If you have submitted a mining plan that is approved for say, three cyanide leaching pads and well, you have four, that can be a $100,000 math error, not counting the down time for the facility if something more egregious is found. And oh, that cyanide stuff is very nasty. Cyanide is very inexpensive to buy, but very expensive to use because of all the process control and clean up costs after its use. Newmont currently has a lot of problems in Indonesia; prison sentences for high ranking in-country corporate officials are being considered. Even if it's just a sophisticated shakedown it will directly impact their bottom line. Newmont can handle it and recover; many explorers or juniors couldn't. Cyanide is both a dream come true in gold extraction as well as your worst nightmare. It's heinously toxic to people, plants and possums. Like most things in nature, we have to take the bitter with the sweet. Remember we used the term "sulphide" mineralization in our first bullet? One of the reasons that "sulphide" ores are economically (profitably) mined even with relatively small concentrations of gold is that the gold that is present is easily removed in a simple chemical reaction between gold and cyanide. In a typical leaching pit, crushed rock is piled high on clay pads with plastic liners. The rock is sprayed with a liquid sodium cyanide solution until it is thoroughly wet. As the liquid snakes it way to the bottom of the pile, it combines with the fine particles of gold very easily (in many cases up to about 97% of the gold is collected), rapidly forming a "mechanical mixture" of auriferous sodium cyanide. This mixture is heavier than the surrounding rock; under the force of gravity (gravimetric separation), the gold rich compound migrates to the bottom of the pile much like the way that water sinks below oil in such a mixture. Or that nasty stuff in the bottom of the salad dressing bottle. The bottom of the pile is now rich in gold; a layer of the pile can be removed and processed for the gold or the pile may be resprayed to repeat the process. The gold is separated from the cyanide in the next step. A tablespoon of the toxic spray liquor can kill the biggest of humans. This stuff has destroyed many waterways, wildlife, animal grazing ranges, lakes/streams full of fish, underground aquifers and bird feeding/migration routes as it spilled into the surrounding environment. The U.S. and most highly developed countries require the companies to build expensive specialized containment vessels with concrete and other materials inside earthen berms to keep this stuff from leaking out of the leach pits. All of the extra precautions required when using cyanide in the recovery technique are very expensive. Fines and shutdowns if this stuff gets out can literally bankrupt the mine. In their defense, mining companies always claim that under direct sunlight, the cyanide in the area is decomposed into its "basic" elements through this "photo-kinetic" process. But the resulting elemental sodium is still toxic to many living things, especially fish and water creatures. One of the worst cases on record occurred in February 2000 at the Aurul Gold Mine near Baia Mare in Romania. Hundreds of tons of poison cyanide leaching liquid eventually found its way indirectly into the not-so-blue Danube and Tisza rivers. It destroyed 150+ tones of fish, decimated the local fishing industry and contaminated drinking water for many miles of waterway. Even though there is still plenty of gold in Dracula's backyard, the toxic leftovers will be present for years to come. European officials declared this the worst industrial disaster since Chernobyl in 1986. Note: mines don't all necessarily use cyanide in the gold recovery process. But most still do, and will for the foreseeable future. It isn't necessary in all cases. New extraction technology avoiding cyanide does exist and is being refined; but it is not yet as cost effective for big, low grade deposits. I am "big" on achieving a sensible balance of safety and respect of natural beauty during resource extraction. These things are tragic for everyone, including the investor.
• Since no mine lasts forever, the costs and procedures required to close the mine, clean up the mess and walk away must be considered before the first shovel full is processed. Many regions require expensive remediation plans to restore the area to something resembling the natural beauty before the lust for gold turned it upside down. It is very expensive in the US and most of the developed west, especially if the mine is large and the mining technique was especially destructive to the environment. In fact the EPA, Bureau of Mines, Department Of The Interior, etc. will not even sign off on any plan that doesn't do an adequate job of apologizing and making amends to Mother Nature when all of her wealth has been pilfered. This "put everything back where you found it" legal and moral requirement is extremely expensive and will divert a significant portion of the net shareholder return. Of course, this is of less importance in some regions of the third world that are desperate for jobs and revenue associated with producing mines.
• A mining venture has most of all of the same costs and problems with making a decent profit as any other modern non-mining business. Attracting and keeping intelligent, hard- working personnel is a problem. With the long doldrums in most metal (especially tin, gold, silver, copper, and aluminum) prices through the 80's and 90's, fewer young people were even interested in obtaining a mining engineering or useful related degree. Everybody wanted to go to a top-tier business school and become an investment banker or stock jockey that might finance or sell mining stocks (in between big blocks of internet gee-wizardry trash). Nobody wanted to do the dirty, dangerous work to make it happen in the first place. Now the good part about this is that gold and silver mining output has declined and will decline (net-net) for years to come. Once the real, gluttonous feeding frenzy in precious metals gets underway (we are still in the appetizer stage), the few companies that are producing profitably will be more than glad they did whatever was necessary to survive. So will the savvy investors who bought carefully researched and cautiously acquired juniors, explorers and producers and held them tightly during the dips in the mother of all roller coaster rides that is coming. Some derivative flavored hedging to deliver "new" metal into the marketplace at "old" prices was necessary and prudent to survive during the lean years. Clearly many producers overdid it; this excess and profligate behavior will be catastrophic for many and we won't know until it is too late. I believe we will attend the funerals "tomorrow" of several of the well known names that look perfectly healthy today.
So, how do we distill all of the foregoing blather into a few generic "tips"?
1. Look for the names of well known, respected successful geologists and consultants in the press releases, offering prospectuses, 10K filings, quarterly reports, etc.
2. Avoid the regions of the world where political and social unrest, as well as dubious law-enforcement, confiscatory royalty mindsets, minority empowerment attempts to right 100 years of past exploitation in one week, nationalization "rumors" and self-defeating taxation schemes are becoming the modus operandi. Remember, a rumor is a rumor until it's officially denied by authorities. THEN YOU KNOW IT IS THE TRUTH. Do not be deceived by thinking: "Gee, these folks want all of that foreign investment capital to flow into their country. They won't do inane things that will scare away the cash they desperately need to expand their industry and grow their economic base". I say, in Mogambo-Speak: HAHAHAHAHAH! For the short list of places that are in my OPINION, slightly less risky (and not in any particular risk order), try:
A. Canada
B. Australia
C. New Zealand
D. Papua New Guinea
E. United States
F. Tanzania
G. Thailand
H. Vietnam
I. Myanmar
J. Romania
K. Mongolia
L. Brazil
3. Wait until a comprehensive drill program is COMPLETED before loading up on the stock. Of course the stock will cost more at this point than if you bought it totally "blind", 20 minutes before two scruffy prospectors sped back to town in their rusty pick-em-up-truck screaming EUREKA from one end of the village to the other. Make sure the explorer drilled enough holes carefully to truly gauge the scope of the ore body. Make sure diamond drill core samples have been independently audited/assayed by at least two respected assay houses and compared to a controlled, locked up reference if there are any disputes about the "richness" in grams per ton, etc. I am sure there is a "Son Of Bre-X" out there somewhere, lurking in the pink sheets. We won't know until after it is too late to recover our capital. Every mania (and IT WILL BE A DOOZY) brings the charlatans and thieves to a heady froth. This chapter in our eternal gold story will be no different.
4. If you want to play with mining stocks, as a very crude rule of thumb and not financial advice, you, in my opinion, should keep a portfolio of about 10 stocks. With any less, your risks would be too large. Never buy just one, even Newmont. Don't try to handle more than 10; you can't keep up with all the details if you have a life outside the fine print of the WSJ. TALK TO YOUR OWN FINANCIAL ADVISOR; I AM NOT YOURS. A strategy that has served ME well (don't know about you, so again, this is not advice) is to pick the 10 this way: Throw Newmont (NEM) in at the top of your list. At the bottom, pick one of the sub $1.00 per share puppies that has found great ore bodies, has survived infant mortality, and is going to be actually producing good quantities of metal within a year or two at most. I like New Guinea Gold (NGG on Vancouver) here. DISCLOSURE NOTE: I LIKE HER AND OWN MANY THOUSANDS OF HER SHARES. She is one of my long shots with blue sky potential, but anything can happen to her. I won't warn you before I buy more of her or dump her. But since she didn't cost me very much, I will not toss her out easily. If she vaporizes, my life won't change. If she goes to the moon, you will never see another article written by me….What's that I hear…some of you are praying for her to go up now….? I also like Tan Range Exploration (TNX on Toronto) here too as another long shot because of their integrity, board of director savvy and massive potential. I don't own her yet. I may next year. I may not. Next, into your stocking stuff Kinross Gold Corp (KGC) in the middle of the pack. She is hard to beat as a mid-level player. I own her. If you like silver also (or better than gold, as some of you clearly do) toss in Hecla (HL) or Coeur d'Alene (CDE). Now it's your turn to have some fun. Do your own due-diligence type homework and pick the remaining five or six. Choose carefully only after reading EVERYTHING PUBLISHED YOU CAN FIND ABOUT YOUR PROSPECT. Diversify geographically throughout some of the suggested areas listed in number 2 above. Call the investor relations office and chat with them about anything you don't understand in the published literature. Visit the place if you can on your next vacation. It's a blast. Yes, it will be expensive, but the most fun you can have with your prospecting boots on if you really enjoy the mining stock casino.
5. The hardest part is NOT the BUYING of the stock, it is ALWAYS the SELLING. Greed and fear kill everyone. No exceptions. You must decide what you want from any given stock before you reach those bony fingers for the phone or the mouse button. If you have made a good profit either from dividends, if any, or through simple price appreciation, SELL ALL OR PART OF YOUR HOLDINGS when her price is strong and her volumes are decent and take money off the table. If the trend for gold overall or that specific stock is still strong, you can buy her again and repeat the process. With the upcoming volatility it may be difficult and you could leave some money on the table, but so what? Many fools watch real profit vaporize because they don't get while the gettin' is good. Cut losers quickly from the stable before growing losses make you emotionally determined to hold her until she comes back. Don't confuse tech fund liquidation of huge blocks of your little darlings, cartel cabal malfeasance, price manipulations or negative newsletter "top-picker" sentiments with a real dog that isn't doing well compared to other shares, who are in marked contrast, prospering in the same negative environment. Now, ignore this rule with the sub buck a share long shots. If you bought them in intelligent quantities, you don't care if they go to nothing. You only bought them instead of a lottery ticket, which will usually be a better bet. Even the best stock pickers get massacred now and then. I have had my head ripped from my shoulders on many occasions. All metal stocks are volatile and as you well know do CRAZY things like lead bullion when they should lag and vice versa. I HAVE NO CRYSTAL BALL. BUT IF I MAKE MONEY ON HER BY SELLING TODAY, I DON'T NEED ONE. I am taking it off the table. What is a decent return for me may not be enough juice for you. I have no way of knowing. It's a free country, do whatever you want; it's your money.
Conclusion
If all of this is just too much for you, simply buy low premium, well known/popular gold and silver bullion coins from a reputable dealer, tuck them away safely and be patient. With gross exaggeration, of course, about a billion things need to go exactly right to ever make a predictable, consistent profit from a mining stock. With finished coins, everything that needed to happen HAS happened. Think about it. With real bullion coins in your hands, the only thing needed now to make a respectable profit is that somebody, somewhere wants the gold more than the paper dollars they exchanged. And currently, about 3 billion people on the planet do. Wake up now or sleep forever. Get on board with stocks or coins; the Auric-Polar Express is leaving the station.
Are the Insider traders, (Our Congress and Senate) going to give up their bread and butter, or just more smoke and mirrors.
Yesterday a Fed Judge threw out the SECs meaningless 285 million judgement against Citi. Now the SEC has asked our Gov for laws to impose stiffer penalties. I doubt our Senators or Congress will give stiffer laws. That would be biting the hand feeding them.
Approximately 200 million in lost MF Global funds apparently found in JP Morgans Euro accounts. This is another crock of Sh!t. JP Morgan took possession of all of MF Globals physical silver. The CFTC needs to grow some balls and go after these Gold/Silver manipulators, but than again, this would be biting the hand that feeds them.
Obama stated yesterday, we the US, you and I the tax payer, stand ready to help Europe with their debt problems. Another Bailout coming????? The first bailout moneys went to US banks who than transfered funds to Europe. Now these US banks have INSURED the European debt. So if Europe goes tits up. We the tax payer in the US will pay them, because our Senators and Congress have insured them. Paying the hand to keep feeding them.
Now today, Fitch has downgraded the US Credit Rating. It's coming folks. Have some physical in your possession.
Like many say, the writing is on the wall, here at DGRI. I say the BOLDED, HIGHLIGHTED, and UNDERLINED writing is on the wall concerning our US Credit worthiness. The BANKSTERS are running this country. Don't doubt another Banking Holiday. Have possession of your physical!!!!!!
Just my opinions. But the writing is truly on the wall.
Lodr
Something that has been confusing to me is,
After the market crash of 08. I soon afterwards put most of my cash in physical silver, BUT I had 25 Jr Miners on my watch lists. I watched these Jr's for a few months before jumping in on a few.
What has been confusing to me is, after the 08 crash there was all kinds of money flowing into these Jr's. There was millions of trades happening daily. I mean, look at DGRI for instance. There was money flowing. It wasn't the only one either. Almost EVERY Jr I was following, money was flowing.
I still have a lot of Jr's I follow, and it seems like everything has dried up. Trading is pretty much nonexistant. Most of the trading I see now is in BANKS or OIL. Look at CIT!, if I remember right, it was in the 3 dollar range.
There are those who would say, no one has money to trade anymore, but if that were the case, THAN there wouldn't have been any money to trade after the crash when most lost their A$$. So if anyone on this board would like to take a shot at answering. Where'd all the cash go???? Where'd all the trading go????
I would like to here you alls thoughts.
Thanks Lodr
Hope is all we have.
Even with all we've heard. Even with all that has been written.
All we have is hope.
Also, I hope it hasn't snowed at Minnie Moore.
Lodr
Time to Mine!!!!
Hi all,
Just stopped by to check if anything new. Apparently Not.
Anyhow, if I may add to the conversation today.
I agree with EasyBet in that the company hasn’t shown me anything since my investments. Some will say, look at the recent filings, and Minnie Moore. I would say look at the financials, where are BG’s assays, and what about Altura.
I’ am vested in Dutch, and will continue to hold, but Mgmt has played with my patience.
I have most of my investments in commodities, and have since the crash of 08. I’ve made some very good investments, but I’ve also lost on some. I’am a moderator on a Gold/Silver web site. I must also add that I HOLD all my physical. I started by buying physical from Monex, and always took possession. I use to buy 500 dollar boxes of 50 pieces from my bank and pull the silver out, and returned the rest. I must say, I obtained a lot of silver that way. I quit doing that towards the middle of 2010 because everyone was doing it than, but I did obtain 1000’s of silver 50 cent pieces while drinking a few beers and watching TV.
Anyhow, I met a guy online that’s retired from the CME, and he coached me early on. He taught me a lot, and helped me with tactics. He gave me some good sites to obtain my DD, but he also taught me it’s all still a heavy risk.
I have always known the common risks with Dutch Gold, but I must say Mgmt has added some that I couldn’t foresee. The most lame was the snow excuse. I presently am waiting to hear the same snow excuse at Minnie Moore. I have a lot of unwanted baggage with this Mgmt. It all started with the money received by Rauno P. in the Altura/Sham deal. There are those who say that these guys have 20 million shares in this company, why would they bring it down and lose out on that. I can only say, and this is something I learned a long time ago about these small companies. I’ll start by asking you all this: How much money do you receive every month from Dutch?????
No one works for nothing. Mgmt is receiving compensation. They are making money by keeping this company afloat. If my memory serves me right, Rauno P. has been involved with BG since the 80’s.
I ask you all this,
“How much do you think he has made in all those years???????” Lastly, “How much gold/silver has been mined at BG in all those years??????”
Folks, the bottom line is this staff we have entrusted with our hard earned dollars need to make something happen. All commodities are pulling in all time highs, or close to it. The cost to extract gold/silver from the ground has risen a little the last few years, but the amount gold/silver is selling for has greatly appreciated. I remember my first buy of physical silver in 08 was in the low to mid 7’s. It’s now over 30 an ounce. It’s time the talking ends and the digging begins.
MONEY TALKS, BS WALKS!!!!!!!!!!!
This goes out to all shareholders, and especially you DAN and RAUNO. Patience is wearing thin. Get something done. Constant delays need to stop. Show US, (The Shareholders), the MONEY. Show US, (The Shareholders), that you truly intend to mine. Because honestly, it’s starting to look like you’re milking this for your salaries. That’s the bottom line.
Excuse my rant LONGS, but anyway you cut this, it’s been time to mine a long time ago.
Lodr
Dominoes,,,, JPM Chase, MF Global, GOLD/SILVER to name a few.
If you all have some spare time this holiday weekend, I would suggest looking at the news surrounding Gold/Silver, JPM Chase, MF Global, Municipal Bonds, US Banks insuring European Debt, and cash on the sidelines.
I know many of us want DGRI to make up ward movements, like NOW!!!!! But if I may say, if you can afford to, Wait and See. I, like many others are positioning ourselves for what we see as the only safe havens. IMO, not in the short term because I believe Gold/Silver will be manipulated down again soon, due to increased margin calls on these commodities, but in the Long Term, Gold and Silver positions will pay off immensely. This includes positions in Jr. Miners like Dutch Gold who own BG. As many of us know, BG has the Gold. Are big payday may not come from the mining of this Gold/Silver at BG, but from the accusation by a Major miner. The Majors are flush with cash and will at some point in 2012 look to burn some of that cash, a lot of that cash, to buy up known deposits of Gold/Silver. There are those who will argue that BG has the deposits, but for those of us who can afford to, (wait and see), I believe we will be richly rewarded. We know BG has the GOLD!!!!!!!
I will add that patience does pay off. In the early 70’s, I bought 350 dollars worth of IBP stock. That stock split many times over the years and are now Occidental stock. That 350 dollar investment I made in the early 70’s is now worth over 100 thousand dollars. I’m proof patience can pay.
If you can afford to HOLD your DGRI stock??? IMO, the reward far out weighs the risk.
If you have time this weekend, read the posts I’ve provided below. The writing is on the wall. The dominoes are standing. The tipping of the first one will happen soon, which will begin the fall of many more.
Have a great weekend all, and don’t get caught up in the down swing. Think outside the box, get in ahead of the herd. You’re either IN the game, or you’re OUT.
GLTA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Lodr
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Mornin, DRCAL, FarFromRich, H3Cap, EASYBET.
If I may have a moment of ya'all's time theres a few things I'd like to add this morn. I haven't been here as long as most of you, but you guys know I've been here long enough. Ya'all know I'm not a basher/pumper, but I have questioned, as you all have on choices made by MGMT.
First, Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Second, we all know quite a bit about BG, and DRCAL you made this statement this morn: So, there is hope for DGRI if they concentrate on BG after Minnie Moore.
I also believe you stated a few days ago that you now believe DGRI is basically a lot further out on BG plans, ie, Long Play. I'm totally in agreement with that. I hope, as you all do, MinnieMoore pans out and they make cash to finance BG and it's small miner's permit work, BUT, I'am waiting on a statement from MGMT if MinnieMoore does pan out. That statement is: We will not be able to do any work at BG because of the abundance of SNOW received in Montana. That is why I concur on the, Long Play, reference made a few days ago. I hope MinnieMoore pans out, makes some much needed cash, and next spring, after the SNOW melt, MGMT gets serious about BG.
I'am seriously considering adding more shares at these prices soon, but until some legitiment movement is made at MinnieMoore, I can't pull the trigger.
Lastly, I would like to add. I have been banned from one of my investments here for going rounds with a few posters who were in fact saying, what I considered libal and slanderous remarks. My, and not their postings, were deleted. I was PM'd, by a moderator the rules. Basically a person can say whatever they (BELIEVE) about the company and the staff, and not be held accountable. BUT, a poster cannot say anything about another poster. So, the postings from earlier by a few of you this AM were what I was told were, OFF TOPIC. My postings were deleted, but the inappropriate postings, were allowed, because they were BELIEVED to be true by the other posters. This is how this site works. I have to live with it. It sure isn't fair in my estimation, but who am I to say????? I don't write the rules, and I don't get to determine what is: OFF TOPIC!!!!!!
Anyhow, you all have a wonderful holiday weekend, and I'm holding. Hopefully buying SOON.
GLTA of you,
Lodr
Ohhhhhhh Yeah,
I know exactly where he is.
That's all
Lodr
There has been no insider sales.
For those who have stated they believe there has been insider sales. There hasn't been any in the last 3 months. The last significant sale was last April of 2 million shares.
Form 144 Proposed Sales
Last 3 Mo 0
Last 12 Mo Number of 144's 1
Total Proposed Sales (Shares) 0 2,000,000
Last 5 144 Filings
Proposed Sales
BARCLAY LYONS, LLC
2,000,000
ICON CAPITAL PARTNERS, L.P.
9,000
VACE PARTNERS LTD.
40,000
Lodr
Why not lease and buy ? Why not buy and lease out ?
Great Possibilities.
Nothing wrong with allowing someone else do your dirty work, and you sit back and collect Royalties.
I don't have any answers. I have no knowledge of undisclosed cards.
I'm not sure what angle MontanaMike is playing. YET!!!!
I do have a gut feeling, and my gut feeling has always said.
Don't let this BULL throw you off!!!!!!
Have a great day all.
Lodr
I cannot even imagine that MMM would not be activated if the initial sample is anywhere near representative of the entire galena lens and the reported width and height is accurate for even 100 feet
I don't post here a lot, but those of you who have been here awhile, know I have been here awhile too.
I can imagine, why they wouldn't activate MMM.
I would first likie to say, I believe there is something huge in the works. The biggest pots in poker are won when a poker hand is best disguised.
I look at most of my investments like a poker hand. In DGRI's case I'll use 7 card No Peek. Dutch Gold received their up cards and those cards drew interest. The pot grew. Than there's been silence. They've receive some down cards. They've showed No Emotion. Exactly the opposite.
Dutch is a gamble for all of us. That in turn makes the possibilties enormous.
We all know there is Gold at BG. But that's really all we know. They performed drilling there this last summer that went deeper with larger core samples. We have never been told those results (No Peek). Jungo has been leased out (No Peek). MMM has been leased with an option to buy and drilling was apparently performed with no results with an option to BUY (No Peek). There recently has been a lot of Under The Radar filings without any clear objective for this (No Peek).
I'll lastly say this. If Dutch Gold, with limited cash and personel has the ability to seek out potential money making property. It only makes sense that Major Miners with loads of cash and personel have a better ability to seek out potential money making property.
I believe Dutch Gold has received at least 6 cards in this poker game of No Peek. They may have received their 7th, and are in the process of waiting their turn annie up and call. The pot is huge. The cards we can't see are about to be flipped over and than we all find out if we win or lose. The possibilities are enormous for the winner. Are we as shareholders of Dutch Gold winners??????? We will know soon. I'm all in and haved called.
Your either IN the game, or your OUT.
Lodr