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That is very interesting that they have product pricing and a shopping cart. Since day one of the website launch all information recieved from public relations indicated that the site was going to be dedicated to wholesale distribution, with out the ability to purchase e-cigs as a single consumer. Looks like they may be taking a different approach to thier website and distribution threw the internet. Other companies are having no problem shipping single starter kits to the US. Have they realized this and are now trying to tap into the internet market?
If they are, it could prove to be fairly profitable, but either way I can't wait till Q1 comes out. Want some proof of the supposed 30% monthly gain in profit.
GLTA
"sfio taste and felt more like a real cig anyway."
How do you know it tasted and felt "MORE" like a real cig...are you saying you are the only person on this board to have ever tried an MMUH cig? The word more suggest you had to compare SFIO to MMUH...if you have, how did you know it was an MMUH because they distribute white label correct ? this means there is no tzufuma or mmuh marking anywhere on the e cig or its packaging for that matter...i may be mistaken, but based on what BLU CIGs told me, another white lable distributor that also sells its own brand, ive hit it right on the money.
Secondly, this should have been expected, maybe not the entire pull out of the united states like the pr said, but as has been said time and time again on this board, USA was only expected to give them a 10 to 15 percent increase in sales. Q1 report comes out soon and the 30 percent monthly increase WITHOUT the US will be verified. They dont need our market. IMHO
Sorry if Im comming off rude with this, but this is not shocking news, the US has been KNWON to be of little concern to MMUH and Tzufuma, yet when this news comes out the stock drops almost 40 percent while already sub-penny...im very disapointed.
HOLD STRONG
GLTA
Im in the boat with you aswell. I bought in originally at 0.04 and averaged in around 0.02...now i wait in the red for funds...im prepared to hold for a very long time. i definitely believe in MMUH still, and wish i waited and watched instead of jumping in at 0.04. But this thing will rise up again, its just a matter of how long it takes. Maybe we see something happen in April after Q1 report comes out.
remember TzuFuma claims the US to be a small percentage of its clients, so the FDA ruling is not a make or break decision for MMUH as it may be for other E-Cig companies. A bad ruling maybe good if the other publicly traded E-Cig companies rely only on the US, then those traders interested in E-Cigs will be left with two options, dont buy stock in E-Cigs or buy in MMUH...but lets be serious, the FDA will allow this product.
IMHO
See another one. Anyone else think this is tzufuma?...blucig has been having trouble keeping the black starter kits instock...similar timing to the FDA rulings...personally i think all three of these are pointing at tzufuma
White label cigarette distributors Ive found online. Meaning possible Tzufuma clients...this is only speculation.
http://www.volcanocigs.com/
http://www.blucigs.com/
check it out. I acctually own a blu cig kit. Later i found the volcano cig website. The charging case, battery size and shape, cartridge, atomizer, nifty black shipping box, usb charger, wall charger using adapter for usb cord...absolutely EVERYTHING is the same except the name of the flavors and logo on everything.
Thoughts? Are these maybe companies who order from tzufuma? I plan on contacting them for more info, however i doubt they will release it to me.
They are not dealing directly with the military. They are dealing with Leading Points, who deals with the military...In your opinion only one brand of e-cig will be sold on military "soil". common man, i deal in the furniture industry with military contracts. We deal MULTIPLE brands of FURNITURE...if we get the contract, other companies that deal furniture to the gov lost. However, if we deal two brands (ie TzuFuma and SFIO) and we win the bid, we can then sell the gov any brand we have under contract...
THEY NEVER LOST A CONTRACT. find me the news, any proof anything at all that says Tzufuma lost a contract with leading points...it is really annoying having to correct this statement time and again. SFIO GAINED A CONTRACT with Leading Points. Tzufuma still has its LOI confirmed through email with leading points with in the last few days. Leading Points or any other company for that matter, will not just drop all other potential clients because they got one client on board.
Stop using this as an excuse for MMUH's drop to a penny please.
This is directed to everyone who has benn saying MMUH lost the contract with Leading Points.
GLTA.
Because SFIO gained a contract, does not mean that Tzufuma and MMUH lost anything?
IMO we know a relationship still exists, based on the email. What i get from the email is that SFIO is a bit further along. I dont keep up with SFIO to much, but i believe they only sell their own brand, while Tzufuma is supposed to distribute multiple brands? ... maybe its just taking Tzufuma a bit longer to accumulate everything they need to take the next step, while SFIO is ready to do business. Remember this is just speculation.
GLTA
I went ahead and contacted Leading Points and requested information regarding the status of SFIO and MMUH's relationships with them and this was my response:
Good evening
Leading Points has a LOI and NDA in place with TzuFuma Inc. so I must refer you to Mr. Robert Paterson, President of TzuFuma -for additional information.
Leading Points has a formal agreement in place with Smokefree Innotec Inc., I must refer you to Mr. Thomas Schroepfer, President of Smokefree Innotec - for additional information.
Here is some helpful information that may help you understand why we have decided to move forward in this particular line of products.
"In 2005, the military sold $611 million worth of tobacco and $88 million was pumped back into community programs at military installations."
http://www.iom.edu/Activities/Veterans/MilSmokingCessation.aspx
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/cp/CommitteeView.aspx?key=48896
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63542
I hope this helps.
Thank you
Kevin Sullivan
What does this all mean?
SFIO just had the door close behind them. They are a set deal.
MMUH however, could be in the same situation, or they could barely have there foot in the door, only they wish to keep the details and extent of the relationship with Leading Points quiet for now.
I really wish Tzufuma would be more open with its investors as to what they have accomplished and what they plan to do.
Has anyone successfully contacted Robert Paterson directly? or has all inquired tzufuma information come from Ms. Kym at IR?
I emailed the review site asking them to take a look into testing out a tzufuma cig. I just want to know what quality the product im investing in is. Thus far I havent been able to find anyone that has tried a tzufuma product.
OH YES the tobacco companies will fight this. But the thing is they will either be forced to cave in to the e-cig or fall to the ashes. I realize im talking about BIG TOBACCO which is a huge force to be recconed with. However, compaines like "TRUTH" and other "charity" organizations have been trying to bring down big tobacco for years now. They arent scared. Now big tobacco is scared and pulling every string at its dissposal to get rid of e-cigs. Those strings will run out and e-cigs will prevail. Ask anyone who has acctually fully switched from real to e cigs. Thier testimony alone should sway any listener. Its amatter of time ( montsh imo not years) before everyone caves in and bowes down to the ecig.
OH YES
i posted a day or so ago taht this wont close below 0.015 ...today might just test my credibility haha...this stock is wild...but im holding on and acctually hoping it floats around here till mid next week...need some funds to average in before this bounces
This has been suggested several times. I agree that could definately a possiblity of why they are showing us anything at all. It is just not typical to show a preview like this. Especially with no more "under construction" icons or literature regarding the website construction.
With all do respect. USA-Cig's website i could have made 10 years ago using only notepad with the expection of the pretty and pointless flash video at the entrance of the site.(im only 22 years old, but dont let my age sway your judgement. I study web design and software-engineering with most of my studies concentrated in java. Im still learning, I dont know it all, but if you know simple math youd know ive been doing this for about 12 years). This website is much more complex and by no means simple. It has a very simple and clean graphics design that is not quite comming togeather the way they want it to, but you have no clue what steps the team is taking to work on the backend of the website. Let me put it in perspective. I could teach anyone of you, regardless of your experience, to make google's home page with out full function within a few hours. However, I myself could not sit here and build the back-end of google and the bots, the sale processing, everything else involved in google. Simple graphics and design, does not mean it is a simple site. However, this site isnt being completely built from scratch, it uses Mogento? Which ive never used but i assume is similar to creating a Word Press site, but should definately decrease the production time. That being said, I dont think what TzuFuma is doing is unprofessional at all, and it is progressing nicely. The only thing unprofessional being done is that we can see whats happening to the website, they need to lock the site from the public until it is finished. Its very simple to place a password on the index folder on the server, then we wouldnt be sitting here criticizing the website as potential customers.
Sorry for my rant, Just want everyone to get on the same page as far as the website is concerned. And yes, after all this, I am still optimistic of a launch very soon, because we can see what they are doing. Makes me feel like they had the site running offline, and are in the process of getting it up and running online.
GLTA.
they have made significant progress since about 8 pm last night. So you werent kidding, they really did work until the wee hours of the night. At 8 pm there was no sign-up form. and only one hyper link that reacted only to a hover state and took you no where. It also had glitchy graphics in the center of the screen. Looks to be atleast 4 to 6 more hours worth of work on the site since 8pm last night. IMO it had better be launched by tomorrow night, or at least we should see some news.
slapa da base! I agree! I doubt this will close under 0.015 for the next few weeks, without news. With news, a website or anything mmuh will have a jet pack so to speak, IMO
GLTA
Thank you august, i know i have been guilty of sharing my timelines, in the past. However, IMO I dont think negative when my time lines are not met, i think optimisticly. Would you want them to have a press release filled with legit facts and numbers or a bunch of crap thrown togeather to generate hype. And which one takes longer to produce. I would hope the legit facts and numbers PR is what everyone desires, and the more numbers and facts we have, the longer the release will take to come out. The ammount time they work on the website reflects the number of bugs and issues the website might have uppon release. I guess what im saying is keep your speculated timelines to yourself. However when they arent met, be optomistic. It is probably a good thing, unless a bad PR comes out.
They have to be right around the corner, I dont want to throw any dates out there, but i think we see the website in the next 5 to 10 days with a PR similar to the first one, then a week or so later we will see the big PR. None of this is based on hard evidence, just my speculations...GO MMUH!
im in at 0.04 and back in again at 0.02...IMO i dont see this hitting 0.1 until the web launch and a BIG pr, something proving there are boxes on the way to the navy exchange (based on the liason) or like you said something "legit". Im still holding, and waiting.
I havent been on the boards much lately however the false claim of anyone lying at MMUH is rediculous. If you go way back 3 weeks ago, a post was made stating that the website is under construction and they dont know exactly when it should be completed. Then there was speculation on the board as to how long it would take to build it, and a conclusion of 2 to 3 weeks was determined. There was no promise at all, i recieved the same deemed "cookie cutter" response that the poster recieved in the beginning about the website. Are you sad about HPNN's felon ceo charged with stealing investors money in the past and po box for a company address and comming to start some chaos on MMUH's boards to let out your anger? Dont bash, jump on board bud, you can make some of your money back
Yes this is where i hope to see it in the future. I hope to see the tobacco companies join sides, start producing at least their own liquid products to duplicate the tastes of thier original products. I.E. Camel Menthol Light e-liquid. This is just my opinion, but Id love to see the tobacco companies get in on the game in some way rather than fight it.
I think word of mouth is doing its job well, i was the first person i know to try them, and have seen 5 people switch and upwords of 10 seriously concidering the switch, just give it time...its going to blow soon, real soon...0.0225!
When i contacted IR in regards to the website i got a response in less than 15 minutes. I have responded with an email to inquire information about retail locations that tzufuma products can be sold. I will let you know as soon as I hear back, if i hear back.
I just emailed ms kym to see what was up with the website. This was my response. Sounds good however, no definite date still:
"The site is actually quite complicated with a whole back end built in for our distributors so they can order and pay for product online. I know the web team is working on it btu I can't give you an exact date, also bear in mind this will not be a site geared toward retail."
The article makes little mention of E-Cigarettes. They did say there wasnt enough niccotine found to say anything, and that is the only thing in our E-cig right? It is a good find, however, E-Cigs claim to emit no second-hand smoke, so there shouldnt be any third-hand smoke, maybe this article helps E-cigs? just a thought.
AAK...only 10% of the sales from MMUH are projected to come from the united states, so yes, SFIO, HPNN and 10% of MMUH are on the same boat. The rest of MMUH is sailing on safe seas, this comes from numerous posts from the last two weeks on this board.
Does anyone know how well E-Cigs opperate in sub-zero conditions. I.E. i snowboard, so if i want to take a few puffs at the top of the mountain, is my E-Cig going to work properly in that cold of conditions?
yeah, i have a 60 day limit set to 0.35, im very confident it will get there and I will probably bump that up a little higher depending on how next week starts out. GO MMUH!
ive had my sell set at 0.35 for days now...shoot for the stars and maybe we'll at least get to the moon
Here in Viginia walmart only has cigs in one lane and they over charge by a dolllar or two. Noone goes to walmart for tobacco needs, why would they start now for thier nicotine fix on E-Cigs? Walmart post is irrelevent IMO.
Somone made reference to bases over-seas...in the case that e-cigs get tested by the FDA and they somehow stop them from being sold in the states, will E-Cigs still be able to be sold on US bases around the world?
im shooting for the stars on my sell point...hold on tight, my hands are getting sweaty holding too, but im not going to let it go
mmhm, i hope noone is scared of heights
"....and the sooner the e-cig industry either proves e-cigs are safe (which they are not)..."
they may not be safer than breathing regualr air (depending on what city you live in ha) however they are more than definately safer than traditional cigarettes.
first off it is common sense is that vapor produces NO TAR, which means it wont decrease your lung capacity like real cigarettes...if you smoke and have switched you should have noticed significant changes in things like taste smell and breathing patterns, i know i definately have after a little more than a month...your ignorant for boldly stating they are not healthy...
Mountain, they wouldnt need to have that page public right? There is no need for the end-user to have access in any way shape or form until it is finished.
IMO it is some what of a preview, and really says that they are past design and could be at any stage the developement process at this point...could see a launch tomorrow, could be a few weeks away.
at least we know for sure its progress.
oh wow, thank you, so it wasnt for testing, they are just giving us a little preview. I must say, i like what i see.
IMO the website must have been launched for a short time for testing or something because late last night dragon got a glimpse of the tzufuma website...hope to see it launch this week.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=46212874
Dragon, please do tell where you found the page. Im so excited to get a glimpse of what the website might look like...thanks a ton!