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they are hiding for sure...probably scared shitless...it's unreal a publicly traded corp with the assets they have are cowering around sidestepping their assets/liabilities on any financials
probably has something to do w/full year 2010...there is so much legal mojo surrounding this bunch i cant believe it
in any event if they are going to be and remain a publicly traded company a listing of assets/liabilities has to be reported somewhere
wilmer and hale are waiting for u abh...cant hide forever
as for the reason any and all come here, the financial shape of abh, i have found nothing listed for just the 4thq except an overall figure of some 19M?(correct me if i am wrong)to the good
no listing of current assets and liabilities that i can find, but will keep looking
i hate to be sarcastic,lol, but legislation was passed in 2007 by our government allowing the changes in accounting methods and naked shorting after being in place for over 70 years
ole greenspan sat around saying how inflation was under control in 2006, while at the same time commodities were spiraling upward, so no need to bump up interest rates, oh really greenie
bush and all his fatcat 10% aholes knew the republicans would be voted out so what do they set in motion, a full scale depression, w/legislation to short and change accounting that would grind the next administration into the ground
democracy imo at this point is a fraud...we would be better off with a dictatorship or king of sorts and sheetcan all these so called republicans,democrats,liberals, whatevers....kick all the special interest dwellers out of dc and get on with the business of putting some quality back into our way of life
what we are now is nothing but puppets for the corps that control our lives...corporate communists
the new abh did post financial statements of sort under the ticker abwtq...somewhat confusing as usual...this whole company is about as strange as wondering where the ufo sightings were around roswell,new mexico
maybe ceo obama will be attending and keep us shareholders(citizens) informed as to the current profit/loss statement for the bailout funds
if we are going to be communists, let's quit beating the bush(aw,why not,lol), and get out the hammer and the cycle, i am quite happy to display mine
be who we are and not an illusion...only trouble is i dont think the masses know cause they are too busy pedaling...if you know what u are u can move foward
abh has been trading since dec 10 and still comes up as no matching ticker symbol on the sec website
they initially showed up on the nyse euronext but not now...who in the shit is trading this
10q should be out anyday...despite the previous quarters 1 time legal expenses which had them something like 700M in the hole, am curious to see how they went from that much in the hole to justifying almost 3B to the good w/today's stock price in a 3 month period...if that isn't criminal to previous shareholders and of interest to an appellate panel of 3 judges we have no judicial system...in any event the corporations own the government and the white collar criminals of wall street keep it up...what a sick society
the only reason we are still in the dark ages is the government cant tax the sun and the wind...even henry ford would think of how retarded it is...120+ yrs and we are still running around in fossil fuel based vehicles...totally bizaro
have decided to get acquainted w/shortwave in my travels...maybe some sunday morning polish or russian
damn...ran out of time to edit the previous post
am sure goldman suks or another fine pukestanding financial firm had a hand in current price...they should be careful as it only stands to prove how corrupt the outcome of the bk exit was
i have a garage w/o ventilation for u blankenfein...actually what happens lloyd is i chew your toes off w/the chain saw and put direct exhaust into from it into your tied down frail as it is body and watch u bleed and fill up w/co2
goodnes gracious
my interest is only to see assets/liabilities and how they compare to the last 10q...the fact their current stock price has risen pretty much justifies my thoughts...corporate communism veiled by the workings of the judicial system in this case should be investigated...they can declare profit/loss quarterly, but i don't think they can keep raising property,plant,equipment, and other asset values at their whim...leave those kind of shennanigans to the real estate agents
on another note i find it strange such intense energy put into this company by so many was totally dropped like a hot potato without any more said...so you all accept the system for what it has done and go on? that's pathetic if so
traveling about the country as i do the general political mood i see is anything but good
considering the way this country treats sexuality that doesn't surprise me...if people put as much effort into their sex lives as they do striving for the almighty $ what a different world it would be...glad i was in my teens and 20's during the 60's
new 10q should be out around the 15th...will be interesting to see how they revalued their assets and liabilities
something really stinky like old fish...the sec after more than 30 days doesnt have a listing for ABH...these characters are rotten to the core...anybody know when their new fair market value of assets and liabilities will be posted...am anxious to get this turned into legal beagles asap
i would have to say at this point carey was bought and paid for imo...
equitable mootness my ass
wilmer and hale, international law firm,,,us based probably wouldn't want to rock the same boat and ocean they dwell on, contingency basis for the opportunity of legal precedents
have read appellate courts do not want completely new evidence, but i would say they have most definitely marked up their assets, and until a 10q comes out who knows xcept abh
if possible i would be buying cheap put options on abh and smurfitt in the next 2 weeks, as the usual sham is about to take place
realism is crude and rude but delightfully honest and true
there is always history in the making...abitibi was a sitting duck for credit derivitives...but nevertheless retained forests rights and ownership...the changes in accounting which were legislated in 07, along with the allowances for naked shorting set the stage...business as usual?
pulp,paper,and wood never die...u can't wipe your ass with a computer chip, given ur not an android, so it evolves and flows along
these aholes have more aces in the hole than most could imagine
1.forest ownership and or ongoing leases,which have ties to the ever important climate exchanges
2.pulp...don't have to expand much here as it is priceless
3.hydroelectric rights
4.history of production
legal precedents could be set here ...at this point it's about money, and a whole lot more...THERE HAS GOT TO BE A STOP TO THIS CORPORATE COMMUNISTIC CRAPOLA/VEILED BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE US/AND PERPETRATED UPON THE MASSES...HELL'S BELLS I'D RATHER BE A FULL FLEDGED COMMUNISTS THAN LIVE IN THIS FACISTS CRAP
am sure there are law firms up for a go at this type of situation...from readings about appellate courts they can and do set new guidelines for future cases...the decision by carey stinks to the high heavens, but he sure isn't the only one...the whole system is dirty to the bone...if there is a jesus he already gave his life once to save our rotten souls...and he damn sure isn't dumb enough to come back and do it again...ya'll too damn stupid, so your on your would probably be his words
we have already established that
looks like wilmer hale would be a good one...not even sure if the appeal process is valid at this point... but until they make public the raise in assets values, the only ones knowing are the board and management...keep plugging away
maybe it's the illusion of democracy...we claim to have a 2 party system with checks and balances, but the ultra rights and lefts seem to always get their way...what's up with that
seems more like 1 party for a few while the rest pedal away in serfdom city...we came so far only to go backwards...maybe if the 10% who claim wealth in the world realized the benefits of improving the common mans status it would help
some things can be taught, not everything
motion for stay pending appeal...equitable mootness...interesting terminology
continental airlines in their 2nd bk was interesting reading
i thought i heard 180 days was allowed to appeal but not sure about that
i would think the next 10q would have to be posted so as to do some comparisons to previous quarters to see how they are restating assets...more at stake here than just a bunch of disgruntled old shareholders...potshots at the system are hard to do unless it's pretty clear...calling the appellate court system to find out a time frame b4 the option expires would be a good place to start
in a fascist/socialistic society we are seemingly controlled by those who write a paycheck...in a communistic society we are obviously controlled by them...when do u know the difference? age seems to be an amazing thing
i am sure they will eliminate this board but will move to the abh board when they claim regular trading and/or/whatever begins...i suspect u play the lumber futures market kfc? i started studying the commodities in97 but as yet have not tried...lumber SEEMS...lol, to be the logical one...being an oregon boy originally i love those big douglas firs
i might not be too popular on the regular abh board for my thoughts but so be it...never cared for popularity contests...just the curvy ones
big can of worms to open here, but there is a way and will
i think i'll see if the first visit is free
bankruptcy appellate panels
3 judge panels authorized to hear appeals of bankruptcy court decisions,they are a unit of the federal courts of appeals
1st,6th,8th,9th,and 10th
nyse: abhwi when issued basis until 12/20 when regular way trading begins and unsecured creditors receive their stock,will be curious to see how much gets dumped by all those transfer of claims buyers...goldman suks probably has been setting up a short to 16-17...new 10q comes out and up she goes
i doubt if the climate exchanges will let that happen...too much value in the woods...somebody has to absorb all that pollution...you know how people are with their cars...give them a steering wheel and a gas pedal and the iq comes to life
cole shotz has an office in ft worth
while waiting for the next 10q to come out it will be interesting to get some feedback from various parties
ranking judge carey won't help...it hurts a bunch but he is not the end all...bad decisions, judgements are a part of life...letting them slide is even worse
onthe toronto exchage they claim to have 97M shares, 2+B in shareholder equity so looks like asset values have increased dramatically
am wondering how they can lowball and then highball in the same quarter...judge carey knew this b4 confirming and yet looked the other way...strange as a 3 dollar bill
wonder if there is any room to prosecute for misinformation...maybe a us based law firm specializing in these or like matters would be interested on a contingency basis
looks like they are amazingly 1,2,how many B to the good all of a sudden...isnt that something...i can smell deleware clear out here in texas
all i know is when they do make public their 1st post bk 10q and are saying they are 2B or whatever to the good in order to justify the share price, then that should be the que to step in with a lawsuit
if u can lowball your asset values bad enough for the judge to see in mnths past and then all of a sudden blossom out after xiting bk and expect that to fly thru unnoticed we have bigger problems in this system than ever
the judge just wants shareholders to cowtow and forget it...at least judge shannon with smurfit had enough gumption to step to the plate knowing what they would do...
in any event later down the road everyone should be looking at their balance sheet post bk and do some comparing and by some magical accounting methods you will see your money in new fair market value of property,plant,equipment,and other assets
guaranteed
it should be interesting to see the 1st post bk balance sheet and how they have revalued the property,plant,equipment,and other assets...in order to justify a new share price for x number of shares i'll bet they do exactly like smurfit
look at smurfits balance sheet b4 xiting and then compare those asset values to the post bk quarter...it's a real eye opener
if that does happen i will personally send copies of post bk and b4 xit balance sheets of both companies to the court system
ever since this whole financial bs started w/changing accounting rules and allowing naked shorting was passed back in 2007 i have watched how some of these companies are handled and decided there is definitely a brand of financial terrorism going on
just a man's opinion
the interesting thing will be to compare after bk 10q to previous
quarter and see how the fair market value of property,plant,equipment,and other assets comes in
they have to mark it up and will...the mark up value will be what we should be getting...bar none
been here since last november...has the judge,court appointed an examiner of their financials? you can bet when they do xit that new share price will be based on an equity of over 2B...quarter to quarter that would be something heh...their skivvies are just itching to get that fair market value of assets back on the books...2.5%,5%,how about 10%,,,would love to know what kind of options management has going
is the 8.5% to management in new shares the deal? if so am wondering what their stock options are once they revitalize the balance sheet
if they have options post bk and put a realistic value on assets they will have a host of problems
That is an interesting assumption. In these times we are in, unprecedented some might say,and basically cyclical, a spade is a spade.
Read an article sometime back about timber being a good investment over time. ABI being in the business for a long time damn sure knows this, and other companies as well. If necessary they can manipulate the wood,fiber, paper markets at will. They can close or sell mills, cut wages, and declare bk, but in the end those trees and streams keep on. It's a shame to see current accounting practices manipulated in the short term, just to be re-evaluated later on and they will be.
All they are talking about is a 130M cash infusion to the newly reorganized co...makes me wonder if other things such as current and future lease agreements aren't also a part of the deal, but being withheld at this time.