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Correct - the presentation is from December with saying the projection of 31M is as of Nov. 10th. Either way - very frustrating. What is JN and the team doing? And then for 3 months they say NOTHING about the business.
I have to agree. JN should get out and let folks who care about the owners (Shareholders) drive the business. He should now enjoy life, whatever it is he does. If the folks are not internal - sell it to a company that can enhance the foundation.
To me, it seems like the new CFO is trying to have SUNW "get realistic" and stop laughable projections. In the long run it will be better for the stock. It is scary however in November they state 31 Million for Q4 yet don't come close to that.
Lost lots of money on this one. Lesson learned - I was patient (for years). Some of it is still paper losses - but these are losses for now nevertheless.
How do you know earnings is next week?
Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated to all of you.
Hmmm. What is JN saying here. Can anyone answer. is it:
70 million in total revenue for the year? or
70 million in break-even in sales revenue which means ??? once we hit 70 million we are able to make a profit.
Just so vague. Thx.
Thanks for the response. Hoping that is what he meant as well.
During Q&A session:
Q: What is your break-even in sales revenue?
JN: About $70 Million
Q: $70 Million a quarter?
JN: $70 Million annually
What is this saying? That he expects 70 million in revenue for 2016? Any thoughts. Thanks
Sol has a market cap of 80 million
Agreed - would be nice to stay up where we deserve. That was a very interesting comment for a "long" of the stock. Believe we have been through one too many dips already.
This is great and all - thanks for analysis. However, end of the day the PPS is 2.38 as I type. When oh when will we make our run.
Thanks for the reminder - after 100 times I think I now get it.
What is going on? I'm more upset that we constantly have to talk about dilution rather than the business itself. If this is true again - sick of it. Unfair to the investor. Maybe time for Jim to speak up and let his shareholders know what is going on - right or wrong. You think?
All - this company is DEAD. It's over. We got smoked. Once again - good luck in your next investments. The Sunyich folks are scam artists that failed. Bottom line.
Folks - been off this board for awhile. This company is DEAD. Time to move on. I personally lost a butt - load of $$$.
Hope those scumbags get arrested, etc.
Funny thing about Paul. We all know we will never ever ever ever get a truthful answer from him. He is a con artist. Never gave the truth and always acted as if we were the dumb ones asking the questions. Like "how dare you ask that" type of attitude. And now he knows why we asked!!
Good luck to all of you. May your next investments reward you double what this piece of crap did for you.
THE SLEEPER
How can someone keep buying this scam? Unbelievable. Just sell the company for peanuts so I can get my $100 from the thousands of shares I own.
These guys are crooks.
Oh, now I know who is buying. Steve / Paul met a friend and told them the huge opportunity coming up for the business. They once again are changing their model and now will be selling Stock analysis for people in debt. Their #1 choice is IFSL. Their new slogan - "You are in debt, let us help you be more in debt!!"
Gets back to we are stuck.. Hard to sell - I mean what is the use?
Ashaman showing bad form not posting anymore. Guess he is gone.
IFSL management are dirt bags. They are criminals in my book.
Full disclosure - I take full responsibility for my losses.
Charlie -
Turns out you were the REAL voice of reason - should have listened to you. Thanks for keeping things in perspective over the past years with the other pumpers and dreamers including myself.
Flo -
Let it go.. it's done. Time to move on. All of us.
It's another crap PR with no information. They are done. We lost. Reality now has set in.
They are crooks in my mind. All the other folks that have ton of shares (including me) I'm sorry this did not work out. Peace to you and good luck in your investing future.
This company sucks.
First time back on board for awhile.. See ISLE has kept his since of humor. Good job.
Rest of peeps still dreaming.
Looks like Ashaman has had enough - can't blame him/her - everything that's been said has been completely wrong.
Came down to dreamers and pumpers on this board - and both lost.
Mid July? So now we have gone from Mid June to July to Mid July? Whatever.
WHAT IS GOING ON???
Paul - you messed up again - stating we would see Q4 numbers in middle of June, and Q1 in 2nd half of June. Once again you got it wrong. Do us a favor. Don't answer any requests anymore. In fact, just ignore them and go on your boat.
Steve - not working out is it? Your company in no longer legit - in fact is borderline scam - at least to the shareholders that supported you for 3 plus years. WE HAVE YET TO SEE Q4 NUMBERS AND IT IS ALMOST JULY of 2012!!! Crazy isn't it? How really does a company do that. IFSL management can!!
Instead we see PRs on CRM systems. My guess is that you have an Access database capturing information - so let's put out a PR and say we have a cool CRM system that now captures customer data. Way to go. Glad you finally capture data.
SandmanSleepers - Boy what a idiot investor you are. Listening to the pipe dreams of other board members, investing in slop. Guess quick rich schemes are NOT the way to go about it in investing. Now I sit on a huge amount of shares that are worthless. It would take a month of trading to even sell them.
IFSL TEAM - Maybe, just maybe you should update the shareholders on how pathetic this timeline is. Is it too much at this point to just say, we expect numbers latest on so and so date. But if you do it, you may want to say December to not over extend yourselves. Please provide the proper cushion in time. Please don't over estimate anymore. That way I don't have to look for a PR every 3 days. I can just wait until December.
ISLE - appreciate the humor, that is all that is left after the disgrace we have been through.
ASH - thanks for not posting anymore. Can not deal with the optimistic approach after 3 years of crap.
THE SLEEPER
You are joking right??
isle50 -
That is where we are at right now. The EXPECTATION is that numbers will totally change of once again could be delayed. That is what management has determined for us. To expect the worst. Everything else is dreaming. This stock stays in this range no matter what the news is. That is my unfortunate view after 3 years of being jerked around (self afflicted).
I see we are in dream land again...
I completely agree. Everything is bogus until they show a number, any number. Like I've said before, appreciate Ash contributions to the board. Just not the same however anymore, the takes are meaningless because the company is meaningless as of today.
It is pathetic.
How many of us in our investing careers can say $95 worth of stock value in two trades changes your account value by thousands of dollars, in some cases twenty to thirty plus thousand. What a joke.
ten cents or 1 cent - really at this point is there a difference? We are already done. Been so for last 2 months (or 3 years), however you look at it.
All credibility is gone with these clowns. All we have is a long shot lotto ticket. That's it - nothing more. We can't sell with the volumes we have.
Funny how the board is getting excited about, oh yeah Q4 numbers. Who cares if they show revenue - nobody cares and trust is long gone (it's 7 to 10 months ago!!).
Guarantee crickets in trade volume if they show good revenue. Crickets if they show bad numbers. The pps will be at ..07 to .20 for another 3 years. Mark my words.
Can't stand these owners - never give updates and kept us guessing the whole time. They have a shady business model that accountants (no need to name) don't buy into. Would not surprise me if numbers changed dramatically once new accountants give them the HONEST picture. That would end this story perfectly.
Terrible move, nobody should be buying that already have shares until they show anything. They really deserve extra support from you? 3 years running...
12 cents... getting to WORTHLESS territory.
The market believes you now, that's for sure...
Thanks for calling Paul's answers out. They are crazy and quite frankly arrogant. To dismiss concerns as if it is OUR PROBLEM is to say the least messed up. He answers these as if we are idiots for asking. WE are shareholders!! Arrogant in one word answers like YES, NO, etc. Give me a break. If you email me, etc.
If you are in charge of PR - then STEP UP - especially during the worst time perception wise in company history (besides the CC fiasco). STEP UP!!
They are full of crap (Paul and Sunyich team). Period.
Said I was not going to post again until we hit .70. That means I will never post again. So I'm posting again...
Another terrible PR by the worst management in history. No update to IFSLEEEE shareholders. No delivery time expectation, no nothing. Once again we hold for 3 years ONLY because we are stuck in our positions in this worthless investment - in fact terrible investments. I accept full blame.
This is obviously a family business that has no interest to the shareholders, they will milk this to pay their salaries and have done so for many years. It wouldn't surprise me if the numbers are 1/2 what we thought because of new accounting firm. Thus, they were using fishy numbers. It's looking obvious to me that will be the case (the new firm will recommend reporting revenue in a different way). If not - then they owe us one don't they. They have not earned any optimism anymore - that's why we are pissed off and full of negatives. They earned it.
Also seeing the moderators have stayed off the board for quite sometime. Guess it's hard to give the optimistic scenario anymore. Probably wise to stay off.
To my fellow owners, sorry the endgame turned out like it did. Remember, keep family, friends, etc first and do not let this consume you - or try your best. Harder said than done. That is my wish for you. Thanks - THE SLEEPER
I'm going to do us (the board) all a favor and just right this one off. I really do believe this company has terrible leaders and will never really get out of their death spiral - can't even report numbers and who really believes in management anymore. They are lousy. I can say this because, well it's true from a pps point of view isn't it.
Good luck to everyone - I still own a but load of shares - maybe someday, yeah right. Will post again if it ever hits .75. So I'll post again in 2018... by that time we will go through 5 business plan changes, 10 new products which 9 would have flopped and the 10th will be the one that saves the day.
See you at .75 or 2018. The Sleeper
Cool, we are at .20 now. Maybe it's because we have not seen any financials (audited or not) from the company since Q3 of 2011 and it's now May 2012? Top notch organization and communication skills. Way to go IFSL EEE management.
Also appreciate how they keep the shareholders informed.
Anyone have any remarks about the 4 internet marketing companies I keep reading about?
This is the worst stock investment I have ever done - just stating the facts - 2 years later we are at .20 with no communication in sight. Oh yea - sometime by the end of May (we think) we may see numbers. Cool.
I must confess...
I hate this stock,
Like the board members, like the potential story - hate this stock over past 2 years. Nothing but empty dreams. And just when you think we may like the pps as well? Delay.
All - nice points and speculation.
To beat a dead horse. IFSL MANAGEMENT should let us know what happened through a PR!!
We are always in the dark. :).
Yes - I'm smiling about it now - what can a helpless shareholder and owner of the stock do at this point? We are now at IFSL's mercy - and not sure if that is a good thing.
Another blind day in the dark for IFSL investors. Thanks management.
And I will not be emailing Paul - a message like a PR needs to be sent for everyone's consumption.
Well said indeed.
Ash - always appreciate your work putting things in logical order, next steps, etc.
Still believe however they owe a communication or PR to their shareholders. Make it as simple as it has to be to protect themselves as you say below. We are owners!! We do deserve to know something. They should tell us SOMETHING..
If the answer is the: accountant firm bailed, numbers need to be revisited, we are in the process of working it out for our shareholders, etc. - then let us know!!
In a sense - don't they need to own up to it and communicate? I know they have the right not to - heck, it's their show and we are hoping they succeed. However this tells me where I fit within their thinking as an owner, shareholder and loyal investor in the company - Not high at all.
Others have said - well just sell. We all know that is a tough option with the volume the way it is and really - I want to hit payday as well. Let's face it - many of us are in this all the way - 0 or payday.
The letter the accountant firm sent did not reassure me as an owner what is going on. In fact it made IFSL look bad. So does IFSL just sit on that and accept the perception is there for the next 30 to 60 days? Give us a little confidence as shareholders as to what the next steps are that they will take.
I'm still not sure why they can not communicate it to us the shareholders. You can say I'm mad, confused, upset etc. - well I am - that is true. But at the same time - I just want an update and find it poor on their side that they leave us hanging in balance on such an important need to know.