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My take was that this measure was to our benefit, and reduce the dilution of shares, but I think up to this point it may have been accounted for as Treasury stock, so I am not certain. If so, and it reduces the Treasury stock only then it may have no impact on shares outstanding - I used to know how this worked accounting-wise, but it's been a long time for me. I'm sure someone like Rmarchma could explain this handily, along with a number of other accountants on the board.
How ironic that anyone could confuse the two
OldDog to the rescue...I was convinced I was a lying Ahlzhiemer's patient in the making. Sadly, the genetic odds say that I will be someday, so I'll enjoy this day in the sun - thanks! At 45 I guess I'm still a pup!
Mschere - good one... I was also smiling about your dot connecting.
Sometimes I see it, sometimes I don't. Astronomy was your calling.
Your Post not surprising, IMO EOM
Mschere, not sure whether I heard that from Teecee or the follow-up comments from the other fella who stayed around to hear the ruling, or from reading the transcript that was copied that many of us poured over during that following weekend. I read every post that day and most of the transcript so while I am creative, I don't think I am embellishing the story.
I am pretty sure a joke was made of it, according to one of these three sources.
If judge Batt's was not joking, then she was dead serious and in either case I don't see where her disposition will have any bearing on the outcome of the appeal.
If someone sees how it could mislead anyone it is no skin off my back for someone to delete it.
Say, I don't make fun of you for connecting dots when there is no logical connection between them do I?
I do not have a membership and have no idea if I could delete a post. Do whatever makes you happy.
Good post mainlefty, if there are any points that do lean it toward the bizarre side to me it's that she made the ruling from the bench and never explained her reasoning, which made it seem like a total write-off on her part instead of applying herself with the administration of justice that would be expected from her seat. She even joked that IDCC would be taking her ruling straight to the 2nd circuit for appeal.
Being of course, the Show Me "the money" state.
Allowed? IDCC likes to keep all this information close to their vests even more than Nokia. just my opinion.
Wasn't Clontz deposed as part of the discovery, as author of some of the patents that belong to IDCC?
Wanda002, I feel like you, but we may never know. It could be because they felt more people knew than what they considered to be strictly confidential and controlled, so they lost trust that those privy could keep progress under wraps - in that case they would have a fiduciary duty to gaurd against an inside information leak, so disclosure fulfills that duty.
It could have also been related to the options grants, which keeping this progress under wraps while spreading kudos among the insiders also could face intense scrutiny following a near-term settlement announcement soon after such gifts. How will we ever know?
I am sort of glad they did it, if it fell into either of those circumsances, but like you, I personally do not feel like a sly grin and a confident attitude, followed by a little message board chatter fits the bill for an 8K disclosure.
Loophole, If the one or both parties should come to an agreement as a result of these conferences, would you anticipate it remains under wraps until this is reported to the judge, or does that become an event of a more immediate nature?
Thanks for your help in understanding it all!
Play-by-play-nice recovery by Interdigital on 791, claim 7.
OT: I was glad to see this one too, my big nut today was that I was tick'd at the 11 Attorney Generals who went to complain about the XM/Sirius merger...can't we just cut a break to two companies that have never seen a profit. Let's pick on the small guys and beat them to death while we all lend our uncontested support to the Microsoft/Yahoo takeover...The Missouri Attorney General lost a vote today from me because he took part in this nonsense. It's an upside down world.
No problemo, I would rather hear you ranting on the board about judge Batts than going after Trent or WANDA002 for having a show me the money attitude, or going after judge Batts for that matter.
You add a lot of flavor to the board and I really like your spunk, but please learn to use the ignore feature and let folks draw their own conclusions about this investment or express a dissenting view without going after them.
If the wheels of justice could only clip along at this pace on a regular basis, we would all be living in a better world, and off sipping unbrella drinks on some exotic island recovering from the Houston 100 party.
Wanda, that is one way to evaluate it. Nokia has been pushing your method to evaluate contributions solely on number of patents.
Many argue that it is a too simple of an approach and does not take into account the quality or utility value of the patents with respect to what is gained by their use. Also, even the definition of essential is being feircely contended, and Nokia and many operators are trying to limit the scope of what would be considered essential within the standards.
The standards body ETSI has a section that defines essential, but it has been going through the courts as to how broadly that definition may be interpreted.
If a patent gets accepted into the standard, but it could be alternatively worked around - does that become essential if it was accepted into the standard? versus, it made it into the standard because there is no other way to work around it.
Many on this board know much more than I do about this, and patents themselves have various classifications (system patent, method patents, etc., so it all goes over my head rather quickly.
If he has an agenda that is not going to be putting a positive spin on IDCC,it would be wasted time to give him a bunch more amunition he can use to spin to the dark side. To me it's better to leave him be because anyone who is following this knows he doesn't have a clue right now - why smarten him up enough to write a negative article that could actually do real damage to the investors. Right now his ignorance is bliss and there is little or no harm done.
ot PLUMEAR
Please disregard my could go on and on phrase...I actually appreciated your post and felt that my own was a bit short ( no bad intentions)...I was in the middle of a longer post, and I thought I accidentally sent it midway through...and that was my follow-on, as I was rambling anyway. I guess I just lost it...and I'm going back to lurking. Have a good day - Wanda too!
sorry, could go on and on...
Wanda002, there are quite a few folks that would agree that with thousands of patents, we should see if the court is our friend rather than settling for a pittance. However, it's a very risky game, and we have to trust our management and lawyers together to play that game best, and it you don't feel good about how they are doing at it you should not own the stock.
Chartex, I have to agree, falling somewhere near the novice or "experience loser" category, and today - even I have noticed the extraordinarily tight trading range that smells of price manipulation.
Paheka, I was just wondering what logic leads one to such an irrational conclusion Hope ya don't mind me funning around a little
The must have realized there was a fly on the wall during the Nokia discussions...named Rooster.
Nicmar, what a surprise! Great to see you kickin it up!
I can't wait. Miracles do happen, as a matter of fact, I could swear DMILLER posted something positive just a few minutes ago
I had the same perception, but also the notion that IDCC at that time was playing on the fears and distrust between Sammy and Nokia - let's face it - they are not friends coming together to face a common enemy, but enemies coming together to face a common enemy and IDCC by leaving it open could divide the camps and play the who's gonna rat the other guy out first game. It may be that you were right at that time, and finally events are coming together for them to be able to truthfully play turnabout to wrap matters up on both sides. Might as well be optimistic.
Yes, he needs to bone up on the facts, but it's nice there is chatter like this floating around...
Since we've already been put on CNBC spotlight - think of the coverage we WILL BE getting over this gap-up, and development! Move volume to come - shorts will be crushed.
Re: Jiff, thanks
I must have been mistaken about the reference to these issues being resolved under the laws that prevail in each country. I originally thought there was some mention of that topic in a communication from the ETSI.
Didn't ETSI come out with a public statement specifically addressing what it viewed as it's legal limitations regarding French Law? And basically said the were not the ones determining FRAND rates and the laws of the respective governments would prevail in this determination - my own paraphrase - It was posted on IHUB months ago, if anyone can reference this post, it would be a good statement to review at this point.
Just think of how badly the shorts could get hammered if they start buying back shares heavily, leading up to news of a big fish licensed or a settlement.
Spider69
That is an excellent point on diversification. That's why I think that rewards such as stock options or RSUs, compensation level, bonuses etc., should be structured in such a way that it is aligned with shareholder success and we should let individuals manage their personal finances as they see fit. At the end of the day, you go home to your family and that's what counts. During the day in the life at corporate america, everyone is replaceable, heads roll all the time, and giving 110 percent to your job, then going home and putting all your own pocket money into that corporation is not a balanced way to live, or to achieve a balanced work and family life. Most times it's just not a good idea for the sake of diversity as you say. Sure, if you are so positive about your companies prospects and feel it's the best investment - great. Otherwise, no. I know as much as it would send a positive message as one very small factor that is noticed by some investors, it's not that big of a deal. Now Harry - he should buy shares instead of receiving them for free.
If Nokia wanted to use this license as an example of their exemplary behavior, it seems the the second signing by ERICY is just one more drop in the bucket of behavior that indicates collusion among the MENS.
Question is, at what point can someone take all those drops in the bucket, and pour out a case for collusion, and where would that case be taken to?
correlation or causality? Single acts are hard to prove, but there is a lot of behavior and public statements and positioning publicly by the bully Nokia, over time, that suggest there has been coordinated stonewalling and collusion behind the scenes by MENS. A lot of behavior that suggest that Samsung has been intentionally following a playbook. It would be great to see an entirely unexpected event, like the raids on Samsungs offices uncover evidence of this collusion that would expose the corruption, and maybe even take down Nokia as the company leading the charge.
Loop, there was a period of time that you sounded like you were souring on this investment, mostly in discouragement of legal resources being wasted on unfruitful efforts.
It's nice to see you cheering up on this investment, and feeling more confident on the direction of proceedings going forward. It helps me to lighten up and stay the course.
Thanks for your contributions!
~ Wayne
Rmarchma-Hey - maybe TeeCee can! Since on account of him we no longer have any analysts reports to review...
OT: Oldog-you missed your calling, chacha is pursuing your business model and might get rich on similar talents...
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080116/tech_test_chacha.html?.v=6
Review: Humans Take on Search Queries
Wednesday January 16, 7:43 pm ET
By Candice Choi, AP Business Writer
Review: Human-Powered Search Engine ChaCha Lets Users Ask Broad Range of Questions
NEW YORK (AP) -- With no fear of the confusion that can arise from text-message shorthand, a new search service is employing a novel tool to answer queries sent by cell phones: human beings.
Having a person -- rather than an automated service -- field your questions while you're out and about is appealing in a range of scenarios: finding a recipe for banana pudding, settling a TV trivia dispute, locating a quality thin-crust pizza in a specific neighborhood.
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And, as long as an answer can be found online, ChaCha promises that a "guide," reached by sending a text message to 242242 (CHACHA), will respond in an average of 3 minutes, though some answers take 10 minutes or longer.
Except for a few kinks, ChaCha worked as advertised in the days before and after its Jan. 3 launch. My query for a simple meatloaf recipe took 4 minutes to satisfy. Questions such as "What is Scott Baio's middle name?" were answered within 2 minutes: "Scott Vincent James Baio was born in 1961."
ChaCha is free for now, but the company plans to start charging $5 to $10 a month after 10 free queries starting in the spring. In contrast, Google's SMS service is free but can troll only for automated information such as phone numbers, stock quotes, currency conversions and weather updates.
ChaCha, based in Carmel, Ind., has about 5,000 freelance "guides" across the country and promises that at least 10 percent are logged on at any given time. The guides can sign in whenever they want, but the company says it works out that at least 500 are always online.
ChaCha CEO and founder Scott Jones said that base of workers could be dramatically scaled up in a short time if needed. Most of the guides are college students, stay-at-home parents or retired. They're paid an undisclosed fee for each message they answer, and they work whatever schedule they choose.
For the near term, ChaCha plans to split the fees it earns with cell carriers, although Jones would not disclose details and no carrier has agreed to a fee structure.
In the longer term, Jones hopes to eliminate user fees and earn money from advertising. The company will also roll out a voice-activated version of the service later this year.
Using ChaCha can be easier and faster than using a smart phone. But it faltered when more than one step was required to answer a question -- like my request for directions to the McDonald's closest to my company's headquarters. The directions, which came a few minutes later, started from the correct address, but sent me much farther away than the McDonald's right outside.
Plus, I didn't get an address for the restaurant, just a direction to head down the West Side Highway and, inexplicably, go "Left on Canal/Hoboken St." (there's no Hoboken Street in Manhattan).
ChaCha is better at answering more subjective queries, such as "Best thin-crust pizza upper w side." Within 3 minutes, I got the name of a restaurant that was "said to have the best thin crust on the upper west side," accompanied by its address, phone number and Web site.
Even the humans sometimes have trouble with shorthand, however. A follow-up question -- "What is the x street and what time do they cls" -- elicited a strange response:
"The x st is parallel to the y st and no, it's never closed! Keep doing the ChaCha!"
It turns out ChaCha wasn't ready to respond to follow up queries because guides couldn't yet see prior elements of a thread. The company has since fixed the glitch so guides can see the full chain of queries from a particular phone number -- and presumably understand that x street would mean cross-street.
When asked who the rapper Flava Flav picked to be his girlfriend on the first season of his VH1 reality show, the ChaCha guide on the other end seemed stumped. After 13 minutes, however, the phone buzzed with the answer (Nicole Alexander, also known as "Hoopz").
ChaCha is a definite convenience if you don't have access to a computer. And it's fun to see -- for free -- how quickly guides will be able to answer random questions. But it's hard to think of scenarios where such a service would be worth paying for, when services like Google's SMS provide the basics for free.
http://www.chacha.com
OldDog967. Many folks have been wanting to see Sr mgmt pony up their own money on the open market as an act of confidence. To me, this act taken to put RSUs that were already in their pocket in time, back into the pot and base it instead upon performance is an equal, if not better act of good faith, confidence, and possibly acknowledgement that too much candy was being handed out for no basis other than to make them rich at the expense of shareholder value.
Is there any other way to view this? Perhaps I just do not understand completely what happened.
If I do understand it correctly, I applaud their actions, and do wish they would have met the higher goals. I hope similar incentives are placed before them along the same lines.
I too wish they would have met the goals and got their payout. I also am particularly happy to see performance-based compensation for a change instead of open feeding at the trough! Mark G., came in and talked about it for awhile, and uncle Billy gottr done! That scores pretty highly in my book - it's fiscal prudence and it's about time. Noone should feel sorry - that's what it's about...set the bar high, but realistic if there's excellent execution - it's for once aligned with shareholder interests. If they continue along these lines going forward, better execution will follow and the stock price will reflect that stock dilution was commensurate with results (rise in EPS).
OT Plumear, thanks for your advice and suggestions. It is greatly appreciated!
~ Wayne