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So instead of a spoon you are requesting a ladle… No feeling of comfort comes from the words of others, only your own research, the quicker you figure this out the better off you will be.
Painting such broad strokes here, first you are missing a few items of note. They have an INITIAL purchase at this time for an undisclosed amount for their food oil. But what I cannot figure out is why you are leaving out such a huge amount of other projects currently under way. They have three PBRs being built currently at three different sites, this is revenue for the units and future revenue in servicing. That is not speculation or possibilities this is happening.
Just because current companies are under full production does not mean they have the best process, how are you comparing yield rates between them? What facts and figures do you have to support your conclusion? NONE as of yet, because you have not posted a single statement showing the differences between the companies. Established and using a poorer process will result in being out of business in the long term, that is a fact. Show me BEHLs process against these other companies.
The cheapest is not necessarily the best, higher yields with higher quality are also targets of strategies for companies. You are not looking at this from the objective they are trying to achieve, they know they are not the first company to delve into this industry, they know they are up against established companies. Their strategies have to be something other than just mimicking another company. The problem with your assumptions is your basing them on nothing because you do not have the first clue of how their process works or their business strategies, and so you choose to shoot from the hip as a means to make your point.
Show me the differences…. I already know you cannot…..
Have you ever heard of the concept of TOTAL PROCESS IMPROVEMENT? I have feeling you have never heard of it or the concept of how it came about and how it applies in this case. I am not going to provide you an education on this, as I have said before I do not like spoon feeding others. But I will give you an idea to think about, large companies do not focus on specifics, they look at outcomes and they look for profitability, I will give Exxon credit because at least they figured it out to place money into someone who specializes in this industry instead of starting from scratch. Those who have greater amounts of money available do tend to have a higher rate of success, but that does not mean they will have the best process or product.
Some of the best products out there were developed on shoe string budgets, these people were forced to come up with better processes to reach their goals, in doing so they found either cheaper, faster, or higher production processes. Efficiency is a key goal for large companies, cost eats up profits, the more cost effective a process is the more profits they make over the long term. How does that all tie into BEHL?
Quite simple really, I am sure the equipment varies little from one manufacturer to the next, from a laymen’s perspective they sure all seem to look the same. I doubt the money aspect is tied up in the equipment from each of these companies, what is more likely the differentiating factor is the process itself and the strains they grow. The company that can yield higher amounts of product for a lower price is going to be more successful. Just because a company has been doing it longer does not mean they are ahead of the game, they may actually be behind as they did not do enough research and felt practice by error was a better approach.
It seems to me that you are the one that is ignorant at this point, the supporting information for your conclusion is based upon generalized information along with poor assumptions and not specifics.
What are you talking about? They got funding for R&D at $500,000, which greatly increases the odds of success. They have an INITIAL order for a oil, while also partnering with another company, which will probably lead to future reoccurring orders. That is pretty good news and makes for a spectacular week.
No, actually it is quite on point and actually shows a lack of common sense also. So you predicted a down day after two days of strong buying, what are the odds that it would be a down day? Pretty high actually, first you started with a 50% chance, not exactly a forecaster here but your odds greatly increase for two simple reasons. One is that it was Friday, traders tend to take profits over the weekend to protect their investment from a weak opening on Monday. The other reason is volume, after two days of three to four times higher than average it typically declines, we did not even trade at our average volume yesterday. So you are not some prognosticating wizard by any stretch of imagination.
Why is this so difficult for you to understand in the O/S is included the RESTRICTED shares owned by the CEO and others within the company that cannot be sold, the remainder are in the current FLOAT… What is so hard to understand about this? There is nothing that is new to the share structure since MARCH of this year.
I am not the one have a hard time figuring this out, you are though as the rest of us understand that you are still failing to subtract RESTRICTED shares from your count to come up with the current float. So maybe you should try to keep up.
No, actually in this case it is not something to have details on. Funding can be an agreement to specific terms in this case disclosure being one of them makes it not possible to provide the source or the terms, privacy is common in such transactions. “Private” investor surely has the term private for a reason, either way you are fitting a definition to the word funding that is not true.
Odd we give funding to the Boy Scouts each year from our Association, and here I come to find out we should have had strings attached to giving them such funding. Funding has nothing to do with repayment, you are providing a source of supply in this case money, the terms are whatever the two parties agree upon.
Exactly, what I am pointing out was there was some ignorant posting earlier about dilution of shares occurred in order for this deal to happen. It cannot happen because of the S1 filing, nothing can happen to the share structure until everything is cleared by the SEC. It completely flies in the face of common sense that this money was an exchange for shares since there are none that can be given currently due to the S1 filing.
I am surprised no one has brought it up, no shares can currently be given by BEHL since they have filed an S1, and the share structure must stay the same until the conclusion of the SEC investigation. The likely response is that if shares were offered they would be from the newly formed company after the merger since share structure can still be negotiated at this time.
That is on a 15 minute delay.... thanks for playing
The sells just got blown out of the water..... guess you spoke too soon .....
That is exactly what is, and it will continue until those who cannot handle finally play through. The timeline was not in their favor so they are going to have to cut their loses, they all had hoped for a month or so and the decision was going to be where to cut their profits at. Instead they have to make a decision about how much equity they are willing to lose and as such their play is completely emotional based and not any facts currently given.
The falling knife rule is a fallacy. How many people do you know stopped 401K contributions last year when they saw the huge hit their portfolios took? That was the worst decision they could have possibly made, the correct thing to do was to continue or to increase contributions, they fell for the same fallacy of the falling knife which is the fallacy of slippery slope.
The real question is... Did you sell yet?
The facts are this, you are talking about a non reporting company establishing correspondence with the SEC. If this were a reporting company this would be a much more fluid process because they would already have an established reporting in which the SEC could just check their “file” and complete the investigation. In this case it is much like an initial background check to find facts to support this is a legitimate business and that what they are reporting is real. Just like any Government agency the SEC has many applications going on and it can take months to assign someone to investigate the company. It can easily take 3 months to complete an investigation into the company depending on its size and ease of getting information.
If you have ever looked at a 10K or at least at the three major reports a business generates you would know all of this financial information must be confirmed in order to establish what is being reported is true. The great thing about this whole S-1 filing is this, there will be no question as to whether dilution has occurred. The whole mystery about shares that some people keep throwing around is cut and dry. In my own opinion I do not think this will take all that long because of the small amount of revenue currently, it will be mainly about assets and liabilities the company currently has. Even that is not much considering BEHL does not own the building in which it is currently operating from, so you are talking mostly equipment and inventory.
Then why wait and stick around for the merger and get out now while you still have equity? Does not make sense stating such dissatisfaction with the results you have achieved and then posting it here. This is discussion board about BEHL, not a board for you to complain about your poor decision making in investing.
How many companies do you know of that announce a dividend for those short term shareholders? This is being used as a dividend for long term holders.
Sellers in the morning.....buyers in the afternoon.
I doubt it, .033 is the new support level in which a lot buyers including long term holders settled in at. It has bounced three times off this 4 out of 5 trading days.
Is this video being sent out to media centers? This is a good video and finally something substantial to go by in clearing the air about the shares in the merger process.
I agree with you based upon the fact we have no facts to back up what is happening. New information came out Friday from another investor who spoke to the CEO. Apparently A portion of the company is being sold I will refer to it as the “production” side. The contract and servicing side are staying right where they are at. This of course cannot be backed up by anything published for the general public, so it is completely hearsay until further notice.
Not likely, it is a light trading day and the flippers that bought at .032 are selling for a quick $700. We are heading to .032 again unless some form of news comes out with something substantial to move it.
Yeah, it is known as BEHL, they want the water muddy apparently because releasing a PR is not needed since they talked to nearly 100 investors the night of the crappy PR. Yet they continue to field the confusion and know it is here as they have read it many times over and still push it off as our responsibility to clear it up with absolutely no FACTS to show for it.
The point being made was you had only a 10th of shares in an actively traded company the other shares were in a shell that would be no longer be trading in a sense earning you no money. The point is the COMPANY stated you would own a 10th of these new shares in the new company and they would be valued at ten times the closing price of BEHL on the merger date. The COMPANY IR stated there was no information currently on who would be taking over the shell.
The COMPANY was the one issuing such information via word of mouth, it is not the shareholders fault they are confused. In one hand they have a PR that states “Bonus”, in the other they have information from other shareholders saying no bonus, just a tenth of the shares while you get to keep worthless shares in a shell in hopes a viable company takes over the shell soon.
What the IR and CEO said through different shareholders on here was essentially an R/S, a tenth of your shares at ten times value. Now that seems to be completely false and yes it really bothers me that this company continues to utilize word of mouth to clarify such crucial information for shareholders.
You and I both, but at the same time it is not information that you say sell all of your shares in big board stocks to buy this up, or sell other valued items to raise cash to buy more shares of BEHL. I have averaged down nicely but there is just not enough information to draw a conclusion to go “all in” over.
I did not stick words in your mouth, this was a public reply and not necessarily directed towards you. As I read through all the comments this morning I chose to use your post to make a response from. I did however direct your exact questioning of where the “split” ideal was born, and it is not from the shareholders, this was presented by the company.
Sorry, but this nonsense that people knew from the beginning what was going to happen to such a degree of certainty they would stake their life and their loved ones lives on it is complete crap. No one had such a degree of certainty, because even the IR was not transmitting such information about the BEHL company and it existing forward from that point. In fact at no point has the company stepped in to clarify anything about #3, and the exact wording being used from people talking directly to company representatives has been an empty shell in hopes that another company takes it over. You got a new piece of information to help support your conclusion, but do not act like your confidence level was always there because you would not bet such high stakes on the limited information you had before.
It maybe great news, but I will take the same approach, I do not care who the source of the new information was from, until they print it in an official format for public dissemination it is just nice to know information, nothing to bet the “farm” on. I have my position and it based upon known public information, and I bet you wonder why be so anal about where the information comes from? Because public information is the only legal information that protects you as a stockholder, the rest of it is hearsay.
The idea of a split was based upon worthless shares held in a shell and your only equity being the 10th of shares held in an actively trading company. This is what the company presented, this is not what shareholders made up in their mind. So do not bash your fellow shareholders over something the company caused, direct your cynicism towards the company since it feels a word of mouth campaign is such a great medium to transmit such crucial information for clarification to its shareholders.
I don’t spoon feed others, but I will point out a few flaws in your thoughts here. One, it seems you believe revenue is generated solely on unit sales, may want to go read so more because you are missing a huge chunk of revenue. Two it seems you fail to understand that three units are currently under construction and will be completed before years end. Three, it is very apparent you have no idea what even a small unit costs and all of the associated revenue that come with it. Four, you maybe be able to come up with a number for what you assess as current value of the company(which is wrong by the way) but since you have no idea about how this company generates revenue you have not come up with a future value. Share prices are derived on fundamental + future value.
It is very clear you have done absolutely no solid research based upon your own information that you have posted.
It is quite simple it had nothing to do with being fickle, this stock has traded within a channel between .04 and near .07. Every time it approached the lower .04s (SUPPORT) the selling slowed because that is where the largest base of holders (SUPPORT) were staying. Anything above was mostly occasional traders brought in by PRs /PCS fluff and the flippers. The PPS always traded down to the base of shareowners. That base was eroded after the PR that was released on the 21st, those with gifted shares started trading out their shares because as we all know they are currently worthless once the merger is completed. This took away a portion of the base, followed by no new buyers because there are no specific details of share structure, confusion of bonus shares, and just about everything else that deals with limited information.
We had some people jump ship, lets face it anything above .05 and you were looking at 50% loss in equity, they were not riding on profits like most of the base share holders were. They had much to lose and had to make a decision because lets face it, it touched .029, another cent or more and they were nearly wiped out. The whole premise only purchase what you are willing to lose is a complete shill, no one buys with the expectation that they will loose it all. When they started to sell it furthered the falling PPS and that is why we broke into the .03s and headed for .02s.
This is all a chain reaction of events, much like how today went, BEHL was continuing to sell off until before noon. The press releases helped stall that second run into the .02Xs, it was heading there, as the bid was flat lined at .03 and the ask was at only .0305. New investors bought in stopping the selling and sending it up. I am sure some previous investors jumped right back in as soon as they sensed the selling had stopped. Unfortunately we also gained some flippers and traders back into the mix as I am sure they are sensing an opportunity to play on the morning gap.
Actually it stopped going down and made a move up, it was heading to the .029's again, but reversed, strong buying at .031 began and has been consistent through .032.
A concerted effort to drive PPS down? Not likely, in order to do so you would have to have substantial supportive information to pull such an effort off. The fact is the company is the only entity responsible for the past 12 trading days as they refused to clarify anything and assumed that it would just straighten itself out in a couple of days with very little effect on the PPS through word of mouth.
I am glad to see you have reached a neutral position in this and see with clarity what has been happening.
Consolidation is when you experience higher lows and lower highs until you achieve equilibrium. We are experiencing lower lows and lower highs which is a sell off. The fact is people are dumping their shares, the speculation runs rampant as to who, you will see many jump ship since the pain has become unbearable for them to hang any longer in hopes of a run up. Further those who have nothing to lose by selling and everything to gain by doing so are selling blocks out a little at a time to prevent this thing from accelerating, by doing this they achieve a better average over the longer term by not creating extreme panic by selling off all at once and keeping what little buyers are out there.
The company says they have three contracts to build before the end of the year, so there has to be some revenue exchanged here. Or the company is purposely hiding the fact that no revenue is currently being generated until these three locations are up and running. Either way something stating one or the other is needed as this is showing either current revenue or future revenue, both have value to investors. He is correct in what he is saying as the company is the one who is implying growth and yet is not disclosing the terms of that growth.
Exactly, it is an irrelevant piece of information that has currently no value. If there was a known company that has already signed paperwork and paid for the BEHL shell then it becomes a relevant factor, other wise it is speculation fodder that keeps making its rounds as some kind of supporting statement that you are getting more value, which is a false.
You have brought up the only thing that is keeping this from diving into the abyss, although I have to admit the recent decline is happening at a faster pace than before. That people have placed faith into a PR that will clear this up, and that the management team will hold to their word that all is well.
That is a correct assumption on his behalf as there is no guarantee that another company is taking its place so therefore all you have for sure is shares in an empty shell that is guaranteed. Your assumption that there will be is actually flawed because there is nothing to support otherwise other than pure speculation at this point. Show us in any PR that says “There WILL be another company taking over the BEHL shell”. Other wise you can only go on the known fact that once the BEHL merger is complete you will own shares in an empty shell.
You keep saying daily PPS, that is not a problem if it were just swinging from one point to another. A CEO does have to be concerned when his shareholders equity is being wiped out by consistent decline, if he is not concerned then there is something wrong. The problem is not daily issues it is the persistent decline in share price since the 21st of September and there seems to be no answer from the company addressing this issue. It comes off as ignoring a great problem, because without shareholders the company has no money other than what they have in current capital which we know is limited. Further no one is going to put money into a company that has shown consistent decline in share price. There is a TREND in share price and it cannot be ignored, this is not a “daily” problem that could be.
Funny you think it is that clear and concise, but in reality it is as clear as mud. You and a few others may have had the direction to interpret and decode the message as to how the organization is executing this, but the fact remains there are many more people who still read as it was written. You can argue all day long what your perspective is, but it cannot change how other perceive because that is a skill that is deeply engrained. You can read that PR both ways because it is that damn ambiguous and vague. The one thing you need to know in life is do not ever dismiss someone else perception as you are cutting yourself short in the long run, because your perception is not always so clear. Many factors prevent you from perceiving certain things, it is key to have the perception of others in making good conclusions or decision.
That is a realistic expectation as it takes weeks for a merger to be completed, this company set the tone in that PR which is no details and confusion. It appears they are going to wait until the merger is completed before releasing the details and as such the PPS will decline until then. If you were gaining preferred shares and you had gifted shares are you worried about the current PPS? No, these people will continue to sell off in blocks as they have incurred no risk. They may have been instructed to not dump all their shares at once in order to keep stability, the problem is there are no new investors snapping up shares in order to replace the vacuum of previous gifted share holders. A costly mistake of poorly written PRs.