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I don't know any of the members of BEHL personally.
But from afar, this is what I see:
Dennis, at best, overstates things, but genuinely feels he's correct when he states them. Or, at worst, Dennis is knowingly lying. Maybe somewhere in between.
However, there is a level of concrete evidence, that BEHL is on some levels trying to make a go of it. I've seen the PBR on the Web Cam, I have heard personal accounts of people seeing the work that BEHL HAS done. The Death Valley project seems to be progressing (based on pictures posted here and other places).
So, with that, this is a Pink Sheet stock, I don't need reminding of that, but other appear to. And as Pink Sheets go, BEHL has more verifiable evidence that they are doing something towards their goal than most pinks I've seen. Still high chance of failure.
From day one this was a risk, regardless if ownership was responsible or not, but if you are using words like scam and fraud, this is an easy decision for you, that is sell and move on. Obvious. For anyone that thinks this is scam, get out and move on, there's hundreds of scams to talk about.
I wondered that too, maybe simply for effect?
I suppose the other possibility is they needed to make reference to it in some other context, and couldn't let insider info slip, so they made it public via the PR and then could reference it openly, but weren't ready to to make client name known yet. PRs are a way to get public information public, it can be dangerous to communicate certain things to hand full of individuals (especially contract signings), and those individuals then go act on that information (insider trading). Make a public statement, then certain conversations can be much more open.
I wonder if we'll get a statement from company on what happened.
I actually was quite pleased with the response from the team on this. When I saw the CAM this morning, I was like Oh boy!, but a few hours later things seem back to normal. We only have this level of insight because BEHL choose to put the camera in.
To say "heads should roll" is easy to do from the sidelines, but obviously we don't really know the circumstances, perhaps the team should be commended on their response? based on what I saw on the cam with my own two eyes, things appeared to have been handled in an efficient manner.
I hope you're right. I love BEHL, aside from they are publicly traded and I can invest here, I just like their story and what they are trying to do. I have no idea if their ultimate goals will ever come to fruition, but I love their moxy, seeing the PBR on the web cam to me is just cool. I'm invested long term, so the day to day PPS is of no real concern (boom or bust on this for me, which is quite comforting position, don't sweat the day to day).
This is a fun company to watch, some drama, but rare to be involved (albeit just as an investor) in something this fresh and new. Once again, this is somewhat a hope and a prayer, but also a lot of fun. IMO
Not sure why you even brought this topic up. If you're new to BEHL, as it sounds, then my perspective is this. BEHL's application (PBR) is something new. There's not a lot of history with this type of application. My understanding is that the tubes are custom built for BEHL's purpose, it's very understandable that no one really knows how they will perform until they apply them? Sure the manufacturer is going to have a certain degree of confidence on their product, and I can only assume an appropriate amount of due diligence was done, but using this product (the tubes) as BEHL is in the PBR will be the first time this would have been done.
I'm sure there is a level of anxiety (and excitement) at BEHL on a lot of this as they implement their design and do their tweaks (will it work, are our theory's correct? etc.). This seems so obvious to me. I do question the reasoning behind the PRs, I'd like to think these type of PR updates are to keep investors informed.
If you're looking at BEHL as an established business, look again, this is a startup in every sense of the word, and as an investment very risky. I like what I see and am excited to have money here, but high chance of failure on this one, obviously.
Let's be honest here, the whole fuel from algae is just the "Hot talk", clearly in the research phase. As an Algae company, I don't blame BEHL at all for making mention of it (you almost have to), but DF has pretty consistently stated publicly that he does not feel fuel is viable at this stage (can't make money at it). His statement has been that if someone wanted to use BEHL'S pbrs to produce algae for fuel, that could be done, obviously. BEHL's message has pretty consistently been that they would be looking at Omega3, feedstock, and cosmetics, and then selling PBRs for growing algae, if someone wanted to produce fuel from that algae, so be it.
Fuel from Algae, may be more feasible in other countries sooner as well (perhaps some fuel speculation came about from this), as I think some countries are facing energy issues, the US really has no pressing need at the moment.
Do those guys still post here?
Ignore is a great feature on this board. I encourage people to use it.
IMO, there's a lot of irony in many posts on this board.
Many of the people claiming foul are the ones that are doing the misleading. Use the ignore feature here on IHub, it's easy to spot those that are just trying to create panic.
BEHL is trying to build a PBR (they're very public on this, you can drive down and look at it, web cam etc.).
If you look at the real SCAM stocks, many times you can't even call them, if you would drive to their "headquarters" you'll find an abandoned office building or someones home.
IMO, BEHL is guilty of over stating futures, I'm not sure if this is by design (to create interest), or if they're just overly bullish. I think it's some of both. But, at the end of the day, it's hard to dispute that they are at least trying to make a go of it. I just can't believe people are going to be suckered down here, THIS IS A PENNY STOCK!!!, very high risk, likely to fail.
An interesting thing about PSC is that their call on BEHL was fairly accurate, it did go up to .10 and peaked around .15, so if you listened to their advise at .02 you did pretty well (assuming you sold). Now, the whole push up may have been self fulfilling.
I'm long on BEHL, for better or worse. But with the activity going on here, I wonder if BEHL popped up on some trader and flipper's radar yesterday, and how many of those buys are for a quick buck.
Hard to say, I'm interested in company communication on the A/S increase, it just seems like a shared structure change is one of the more important items to communicate to the shareholders.
I'm with you, I've really had no problems with the "on the ground" efforts from BEHL. The endless conversations on this board on pressure fittings and inoculation and government permits, etc., those topics weren't ever a concern for me. I'd assume BEHL has put as much thought into those things as anyone.
Dilution, now that has been my fear from day one. The claim that BEHL is "paying off" ihub board members to spread good cheer is a bold claim, imo.
It will be interesting to see the company communication (PR) on the 500 million new shares (how will this be spun). As a shareholder, the company changing the current share structure is of very important interest (the day to day goings on on the ground is interesting to read about, but not expected from me).
For me, this was/is an obvious "take a chance" type investment, so the minute I put some money here (last summer), I've always had the attitude that I would come back in two or three years and see what happened, still playing that way. The soap opera that is BEHL is just so intriguing.
What's the point...
Of the PR's? Are they intended to give current/potential investors updates on goings on of the company?
or
Are they intended to influence the PPS?
I understand reason's for both. My impression is that the PR's coming out of BEHL are intended to keep share holders up to speed. I don't think they're earth shattering, but the PRs themselves on several occasions recently have stated things like "The Company has received many requests from shareholders wanting to learn..."
I think the company is simply being "hounded" by shareholders, and they feel pushed to put these "mini" PRs out to quell the constant questioning.
THIS IS A PENNY STOCK!!! Do people get that?? It's obvious to me this is high risk. The chance of success is probably pretty small. The number one thing I like in BEHL is that they seem to be trying (Right now I don't give a crap if their PR's are perfect), I want them to do what they need to to be successful. For stuff to really happen here, it could take years, yes years, or they may fail miserably. Know one really knows.
If you don't believe in this company, just move on, there are hundreds of other start ups being traded that may be a better buy.
I agree, From my perspective, I hope this is the case, that the stock doesn't rise until concrete stuff starts to happen. I do NOT want another artificial rise on this. I love the updates from the company, but right now, the message is still this is a wait and see deal.
Investors (real investors, not penny players) will come when the time is right. Investing in BEHL today is the same as gambling, very high risk. If the company produces, new investors will show up.
The fun thing with BEHL is that from all accounts they are real, and are trying their best (that's all I ask for at this stage). And most companies in this space are private, BEHL is an opportunity to have some fun and get some money in on an emerging market. The big question is can BEHL deliver?
Point is you come across as just being negative and imo your only reason to be here is to stir the pot and create doubt. Based on your post history, I don't think you care to engage in "useful" discussion. Now I may be misreading your posts, but that's how it looks from my vantage point.
I'd agree, penny stocks probably are not influenced by the general market that much, maybe large patterns in the general market feed down to this. Obviously, institutional investors are not heavy in these stocks (these type of investors keep the markets relatively calm). Day trading/flipping is rampant with pennies, this can be done with established stocks, but my guess is those stocks are not "influenced" by this type of trading. Just the large percentage changes in a penny stock can be a common everyday occurrences, in the general market, big swings either way on a given stock are usually well explained.
My guess is, tying a drop in BEHL's PPS to general market downturn would be misguided (maybe not). Look at BEHL's volumes, there just is not a whole lot of interest on either side with this, with low interest, I think you tend to see a general fading of PPS over time, alot of traders tend to be impatient and I think more so with penny stocks.
If you're an investor, I say don't sweat the PPS, but look at the company itself. If you're a flipper/trader, you know what your up against already, and just stick to your system. And remember, people on these boards have agendas, and they may not always coincide with yours.
What is meant by this statement?
"Financing of a company is directly related to its share price."
Is BEHL actively selling stock for funds at this time?
Based on what I've read on this board, the traders that trade on technicals (charts), would say that once .008 resistance broke, we could see a fall. The volumes seem so low to me at these prices, indicating there is not a whole lot of interest in BEHL from NEW investors. This seems reasonable to me, this is a very high risk startup with very little tangibles.
Now, as I've indicated before, I'm high on BEHL as a Pink Sheet in that it seems to be a real company, and they seem to have a plan. Now, whether that plan can comes to fruition, that's a whole other story, but once this becomes low risk, it's no longer a penny stock, so, obviously, if you bought BEHL you were taking a chance, or playing the charts.
With this steady decline, I'm wondering if I should average down on this, and if so, what point do I commit more to this. Tough call, because this does have high degree chance of failure, but love the space and if things start to roll?? Always that IF.
This is a high risk pink sheet. My guess is most traded shares are not from investors, but from Penny players. The volume is so low (for this price point), I think for the most part, people that were taking a flyer on this are in and holding (I fall into this category, may be some buying from these folks), any true investors are holding (clearly, as the volume is basically nothing).
As for penny players, based on banter on technicals from this board (I'm not in this game, so really don't know specifics on this), once .008 broke, I believe most technical traders will likely wait on buying in, as this has potential to drop further based on this type of trading. Unless Behl is holding onto a bombshell of news (unlikely based on current communication from company), we're probably looking at waiting for revenues to spark real growth (revenues that may never come), or possibly a big pump campaign from some entity out there, although not sure that trick would work again or not.
I don't think this behavior is that strange for this type of stock. This is very speculative type investment (gambling). But, I do like the company's vibe, and have for about a year now. I do think they are legitimately trying, so as far as taking a flyer on a pink sheet, I think this is as good as any. Now for me, I debating if/when I should average down?
I think you're here to intentionally stir the pot and raise doubt. Not sure to what end. If the company is not for you, move on.
Maybe, I'm misreading this, but that's how I see it.
We all know this is a Penny Stock, highly speculative, high risk, people get that.
.008 has been rock solid. what happens if .008 doesn't hold? I wonder what really are the lower supports.
To me the Omega 3 angle is much more interesting (right now) than the fuel. Fuel is for show (a lot of buzz), Omega 3 is for Dough. (Lets face it, for the biofuel thing, we're potentially 5-10 years away from being viable, maybe things will move quicker, but not a given)
Just heard someone talking this morning on the radio about how it's important to buy pet food (dog food specifically) with Omega 3, as standard dog food is not giving pets what they need.
Two years ago, I'm not sure if I even knew what Omega 3 was, now it's talked about main stream all the time.
I'm with you. If you're investing in this, it's very high risk, obviously, and I too am interested in seeing where this goes in 2-5 years from now (good chance it won't make it, but I'm pulling for them). To have a startup that is also publicly traded like this is not the norm (sure there are many out there, but most startups don't have to deal with these flippers and traders). So, anyone who has ever started or worked for a startup knows that things don't always go as planned (rarely do). The last thing I want Dennis and company to worry about is satisfying short term mentality, Gummy mentions a 10 day window of no gains (who cares if your truly invested)
My impression of Gummy is that he is not really interested in BEHL as much as he is interested in creating doubt and stirring the pot. I may be wrong on his intentions, but that's how it comes across to me. At this point, I have to believe, an individual could make up their mind on a stock and either feel it's something they want to pursue or not for them and move on.
Ummm, this is a pink sheet. There is no fair value, value is basically based on perceived potential (and this can fluctuate wildly on different events). Based on traditional valuations, I suspect you may even be high on your "fair" value (billion shares, who knows what's the real debt and what would be left over if they sold assets today).
If you don't think a stock is good value, don't buy it, simple.
I agree, when it's all said in done, BEHL may fail, but right now it's ahead of most other pinks for the reasons you mentioned. One other point on BEHL that should not be discounted is that they are in a Space that is still being defined, and appears may take off, which imo gives them something on other pinks as well. No one has a foothold in the Algae business yet.
Give it up, move on there son. Why the continued fascination with this?
I can understand being ticked, especially if you dragged other people's money here (Big mistake, regardless of potential, imo), but that's on you, not BEHL. THIS IS A PENNY STOCK!! As a startup, the odds of BEHL succeeding are very small, in that most startups fail. Maybe, I'm naive, but I never bought into much of the PRs, I always thought DF was overly bullish, but I don't get the sense that he intentionally misleads, in an emerging market like this given how early in development the company is, I expect the unexpected (things will be in flux for quite some time going forward, either things will progress, or things won't, no one knows). If it wasn't like that, then we wouldn't have this opportunity to buy at a penny. So many people around here act like they've been wronged somehow, let go and move on.
If you don't like the company, go find something else.
I'm still excited about seeing where things go with this.
This line was interesting:
"RWE intends to begin offering algae products that range from algae cake for livestock feed to raw materials for use in the pharmaceutical, natural food and cosmetics industries. "
Obviously fuel was mentioned, but good to see RWE looking at these "money making" industries now, as has been BEHL's message all along.
Fuel is for show, these others are for Dough.
Appreciate the info on this.
Not sure what it all means, but possibly another piece to the puzzle that is BEHL. I'm not jumping off a bridge on this, but does sound interesting.
Thanks
This can be a fun exercise to pass time, but obviously no one can predict the future, as per your survey last time, most people suck at it. If the general consensus was this stock would be over 100% more next month than it's valued today, then we would already be there.
This is trading at the levels it's trading at now, because of the uncertainty. This is a high risk startup, just because it's publicly traded doesn't really make the company any different from any other startup. In some ways, being public at this stage of the company's growth, probably hinders its development (other than the cash, which is why it's public), in that it has to answer to shareholders that for the most part don't care about the spirit of the company, many of whom just look at the PPS and make judgments about the character of the company and those running it.
But, I agree with Carnac's earlier post about expectations and how fast this stuff will really get done. The interesting thing with BEHL is there is some real strong evidence that they are putting effort into being successful long term:
- Working with College for training students in this new field
- Contracting with company in China to cheaply deliver parts (and supposedly having parts already delivered) You don't just do this for fun, they have plans.
- Finding new corporate headquarters to run business from (not run out of basement. Don't laugh, I think some of these pinkies are)
- Partnering with RWE
- Vision with the White paper outlining application for 3rd world countries that could benefit from cheap algae.
- Attending Algae conference in San Diego and having strong presence and shareholder meeting in Vegas.
For a company trading at 1 cent, this type of vision is very intriguing to me. I hope they pull it off.
In the scheme of things, I wouldn't say a lot of shares are being sold (volume is low). But by same token not a lot of shares being bought. I think we are in somewhat of a holding pattern for now.
Remember this is a pink sheet, probably not too many shares held by "real" investors, too high risk, I suspect there are a lot of shares in the hands of typical pink sheet players, those that get in and out of stocks all the time. I suspect many of the sellers will be buyers in the future and vice versa.
The key for any individual is to decide why they are buying/selling. Personally, I bought into this for fun, and am going to hold, all or nothing on this for me. But when I pressed the buy button, I knew that, so no worries.
Also, a 20-30% change in price at these prices is nothing, and happens all the time, as you know. Like many have stated before, a real move up will likely (hopefully) only happen with real tangible news(confirmed revenue). Personally, I do NOT want to see this stock artificially pumped up (as mentioned above, my strategy doesn't need that). What I want is BEHL to lay a successful ground work for long term success (I really think they are trying). I'm likely in the minority as far as current shareholders go, but that's how I do things.
In my opinion, from reading your posts, I wonder if you should move on from this, sometimes you just got to trust your gut.
I don't get this. As an investor, I don't care what the PPS is doing on a daily basis (unless there is a significant move).
Flippers and traders are very interested in the day to day movements, as they are looking at points to get in and out, but then they don't really care about the long term health of the company.
I'm guessing you're not a flipper or trader, because you would know that game. I can see being eager to see progress, but what were your expectations coming into this? This is a pinksheet trading at .01, how high can you're expectations be? As I've said before, this is a very high risk venture. There is a very good chance this company will go nowhere. If you can't deal with that, get out now.
When I invested here, I dropped money down and planned on letting it ride for a couple years to see what happens. I really like BEHL's story, and I feel they are trying, which is all I ask. But success is dependent on so many factors. Anyone that has ever started their own business knows that things do not always go as planned, you have to constantly adjust and re-adjust as you go to stay alive.
Either follow your gut and get out, or sit back and see what happens. Just don't go whining about losing money, as that is on YOU not BEHL.
Also, remember that you can always sell a stock you're not comfortable with as well. Sometimes you got to trust your gut. I understand a little grumbling now and then, we all do it, but constant complaining and whoa is me stuff is crazy, especially for a Pinksheet stock. This should not be news to anyone, but this is a very high risk, boom or bust type investment. High percentage chance of failure, if it wasn't it wouldn't be trading at a penny. With that said, the upside is huge IF it hits.
You have greater faith in our government than I do. Unfortunately, the lobbyists have more say than common sense when it comes to policies (corn to ethanol never made sense, I wonder if people realize that this approach likely made things worse). With that said, Algae appears to be getting some traction in Washington, so hopefully there's some sanity left.
To me the key for BEHL at this point is to truly deliver something, we're still in the science experiment stage (hopefully moving to application). I'm very interested to see how things progress, but still a lot has to happen.
I sense RWE is more in tune to the fuel side of things, and BEHL is focused on the feasible applications for today. It will be interesting to see how the RWE/BEHL relationship progresses, I still wonder if a true merger is in the future.
Oh, you're helping. Boy did I misread that.
OK then, carry on.
Move on, you've made your opinion. In my opinion your posting only to stir the pot, and not really looking for answers. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how you're coming across to me.
For a Pinksheet, BEHL is very interesting to me. This is obviously a start up with high risk, but very interesting space, and to me, BEHL appears to be moving forward (that's all I ask at this point). A lot needs to go right, but that's true of any company that's just starting out, trying to carve its niche.
Obviously you don't feel comfortable where BEHL's at, trust your gut and move on.
tika, you might as well be talking to a wall. I'm with you on this, BEHL's progress and effort has been very impressive in my opinion. It's a blast being able to invest in a startup like this and see it progress. This is very high risk proposition, but that should be obvious, but at the same time, rare you get an opportunity to get on the ground floor of something like this. Many potential pitfalls going forward (some posters here will be glad to point them all out), but as you implied, getting this stuff in motion takes time, especially these mergers and sales, as there are more than one party involved. But, BEHL continues to push forward, that's all I ask.
Don't feed the clowns. Some people post here solely to stir the pot and create confusion and doubt. I strongly suggest people should use the ignore feature here on IHub, it makes reading the boards much more useful. (I'm not quick to use it, but over time it becomes obvious what certain posters are after)
BEHL is a startup company trading in the pinks. That's all that needs to be stated on that.
I visit the boards to get information on what the industry is doing, and get the great DD on BEHL from the other investors that are interested in what the company is doing. The site visits with pictures from Rafa and others are great. The phone conversations and talks with people directly involved are interesting.
I'm pulling for DF and Behl, not just because of my investment, but because I believe in the vision, and think great things could come out of the efforts of BEHL.
I think this PBR concept (both vertical and horizontal approach) for growing algae has been around for decades, as we know, this approach is just now starting to be seriously looked at commercially.
As a shareholder of BEHL, I'm really excited to see what their approach and solution can do. Behl seems to have put some time in tweaking and improving on their system, and I assume they will constantly evolve their solution as they go. But just as important as the hardware is the business model, and that's where BEHL's concepts have really perked my interest. When they first talked about the VPN approach to remote management, this made sense to me, this idea that you sell the service to allow others to grow the algae. The college program to build a talent pool in a very new space, this foresight shows to me a very long term outlook. The focus on low-cost solution, not only the horizontal approach like algaelink shows, but also contracting with low cost manufacturing in China for parts. Then their ties to the chzech group that has the different strains of algae that can be grown, once again allowing BEHL to offer their solution to others for different focus (nutritional, cosmetics, fuel, etc.).
I don't know if BEHL will succeed, they are a small startup, but from all accounts they have a vision and passion, and if (and it's a big if), the pieces come together, I think the timing is right, wow, hold on.
I suspect we haven't heard the last from Dolphy. If he truly moves on from BEHL and this board, then maybe, but until then I think this is just noise from him/her.
To answer, Dolphy's question, I'm still holding, and plan to for several years.
If someone posts here often, they obviously have an interest, and it's more than civic duty, imo.
These redundant, generic posts about BEHL being a penny stock with no redeeming quality are obviously done for other reasons than to educate (The technique is just too inefficient for someone to take the time to do this on a single stock board, where pretty much every Penny stock these comments apply, Why BEHL?).
All that needs to be stated is BEHL is a high risk speculative investment, act accordingly (there's alot of these out there).
The thing that draws me to BEHL is the space (algae), and the fact that they are real, meaning they had a booth in San Diego at the Algae conference. They have a product, many here went and visited the site where the first prototype PBR was set up. The people involved seem to have a passion and vision for what they are doing. Still early stages of a company trying to make some headway, but it's fun to watch and exciting to me to see what BEHL can do. High Risk here, that's obvious.
I agree, It's good to be long. I've watched this thing go from .007 to .15 and back down to .008, but from the get go I was throwing money here to see where it ends up a few years down the road.
The day to day watching of the stock price would drive one crazy, unless you are a short term trader/flipper, in which case, you know what you're up against, so nothing should be a surprise.
As for reading the boards, I'm interested in progress of the company and learning what BEHL is doing and info on Algae industry in general. It's nice not worrying if we have a down week or up, or what effect the latest PR has had on PPS, I'm excited to see if BEHL can pull off what they've set out to do. But, the reality is, it will take some time for this to all come together, assuming it does. imo