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Of course no one knows what tommorrow brings. Gap up/gap down??
Up then down, down then up.
I don't care.
The Possibilities Are Staggering: Had you invested 10,000 in Cisco Systems back in early 1990, your investment would now be worth 3,650,000 Similarly, a 10,000 investment made in Microsoft in 1986 would be valued at more than 4,721,000 today 10,000 invested in Yahoo! in 1996 would today be worth 317,000 How do you get in on those deals--especially if you're not a Silicon Valley insider? How do you buy the high-tech win-ners and avoid the losers? How do you find the Yahoo!s, Microsofts, and Ciscos of tomorrow?
Maybe NEOM Today.
How is that for hype!
I have my stake, not selling today or this week or next. Not buying anymore either.
Ride sally ride.
standard catatagory for stocks like them.
Nothing special just for them, but given the track record...
Milo, Acording to Pink Sheet, INC, here is what THEY say about "investing" in ONCP:
companies that are not able or willing to provide disclosure to the public markets - either to a regulator, an exchange or Pink Sheets. Companies in this category do not make Current Information available via Pink Sheets News Service, or if they do, the available information is older than six months. This category includes defunct companies that have ceased operations as well as 'dark' companies with questionable management and market disclosure practices. Publicly traded companies that are not willing to provide information to investors should be treated with suspicion and their securities should be considered highly risky.
Milo,
Just want you to be sure which Wind RIver is doing the work for 141. It should not be confused with the Wind River that just got bought by Intel for $660 million. The following is from the Secretary of State of Florida website:
Detail by Entity Name
Florida Profit Corporation
WIND RIVER DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
Filing Information
Document Number P09000040999
FEI/EIN Number NONE
Date Filed 05/07/2009
State FL
Status ACTIVE
Principal Address
1485 ELLINWOOD ST.
SUITE 214
DES PLAINES IL 60016 US
Mailing Address
1485 ELLINWOOD ST.
SUITE 214
DES PLAINES IL 60016 US
Registered Agent Name & Address
INCORP SERVICES, INC.
17888 67TH COURT NORTH
LOXAHATCHEE FL 33470 US
Officer/Director Detail
Name & Address
Title P
STRICKLAND, PAUL D JR
1485 ELLINWOOD ST.
DES PLAINES IL 60016 US
Title S
STONE, ERROL
1485 ELLINWOOD ST., SUITE 214
DES PLAINES IL 60016 US
Title T
RAINS, CATHERINE D
1485 ELLINWOOD ST., SUITE 214
DES PLAINES IL 60016 US
Title D
STRICKLAND, PAUL D
1485 ELLINWOOD ST., SUITE 214
DES PLAINES IL 60016 US
Annual Reports
No Annual Reports Filed
So the reason Wind is doing the work is beacause they own the company. How its funded is not been provided to us.
My biggest question, lately, is why, when you had the second best CTA performance in America would you turn away money and start something new, again?
While they claim they will be more transparent, shareholders have not been provided with any information regarding ehat has transpired for months.
Also regarding complaints to the SEC:
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Except for this next round, right? After that no more?
Prediction!
Say goodbye to 141 and SPZI. Now they have a new toy. Any alumus going to buy Wind River?
I asked a friend about OTCBB companies and their funding. This is what he wrote:
In short, you are entering a completely different world when you enter the public markets, particularly the OTC, which has its own mindset and service providers with that mindset. As an example, I know one of the other gentlemen that responded to you. He spoke "the game" by telling me about this network of investors he had. I presented him what I thought I was an interesting sustainable company. He said, the only way to do it was to get a shell where "we" would control the float. I remember thinking, "What does the company get?". Well, in truth, the company gets to virtually sell its soul for a few hundred grand and to dig itself a hole that most do not ever get out of.
In the OTC world, everything sounds good on the surface (easier access to capital, liquidity, etc.) but you are no longer a company - only a stock. Your whole future depends on generating and maintaining liquidity - and by "liquidity" I don't mean that the stock is freely tradable, I mean that there is a buyer for every seller. Of course you know what would happen if you don't. And liquidity is very expensive. In fact, just being public will be $150,000 a year even on a shoestring budget.
So let's say you did get a shell and raise some money and your investors are "liquid" as you say. You sell them restricted stock with a six month hold. ALL of that stock goes live the same day. You will inevitably get some selling pressure, which can start small and balloon. If you don't have any support on the other side, the stock gets hammered. All it takes is one guy starting to bail out and the masses follow. You cannot imagine how many times I've seen this. I can show you example after example.
This is the case with 9 out of 10 ten OTC stocks. Rarely does a stock sustain its value in the long run. The ones that do go up from the "IPO" price have spent upwards of a million dollars on promotion - often paid for in stock which also needs to be sold! Then if you need more capital, each subsequent round is a down round, adding to your dilution and headaches. The first thing a PIPE guy will do will bring up a chart and check your liquidity. That's all these guys care about. Not your business model, not your management team, not your strategy.
Frankly, the only thing shells are good for in my opinion is so the founders and early investors can liquidiate. This also happens all the time.
Once in a while, a new listed company hits everything just right and gets lucky, but it is very rare. The vast majority wish they had never taken that route (unless, again the founders have liquidated).
For myself, after 15 years in this business, I decided I was too honest and too good for that world. Almost everyone is a complete BSer. I never advise my clients to take that route. Perhaps, if ALL other methods of financing have failed, you structure the deal EXACTLY right, and have a detailed public market strategy, it could work. But it is at your (and your shareholders') own risk. And the probability of failure is much larger than the probability of success.
This is great. Anyone know what the stock structure is?
Is it just me or is there something missing from this Bio from CEO.TV, some other CEO experiance:
In 1983, Mr. Strickland began his career as an analyst for a trading partnership where he designed and implemented complex computerized trading systems for traders on the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade and the Chicago Board Options Exchange. During his career, Mr. Strickland has held seats on three major commodity and securities exchanges as a floor trader and was a pioneer in the development of modern index arbitrage techniques during the 1980s.
Mr. Strickland has held trading, managerial and consultant positions with several institutional and proprietary trading firms such as Bear Stearns, G-Bar Partners, First Options Group, LIT McDonald, Petco/Peters, and Transitions Group. Mr. Strickland is generally recognized as a trading, compliance and brokerage operations expert in the commodity futures area, and has over 20 years experience building complex trading models.
Mr. Strickland has been continuously registered with the National Futures Association since 1985 and at various times carried registrations as an Associated Person (AP), Commodity Trading Advisor (CTA), an exchange member (CBOE) broker/dealer and Registered Investment Advisor with the SEC. During that time, he has never been cited for an exchange rule infraction, violation of any NFA rule or regulation, or been the subject of any customer complaint or inquiry.
Prior to joining 141 Capital, Mr. Strickland formed 2Zfuture.com, Inc., and registered the company as a CTA. This CTA was the trading arm of Mr. Strickland’s brokerage, while serving as the Chief Index Analyst for Alaron Trading Corporation, a Chicago based futures broker. He left Alaron to go to Austin, Texas to form 141 Publishing Group, Inc., in August of 1999.
From 1995 through 1997, Mr. Strickland was employed by Futures Analytics, Inc., a Colorado corporation he formed and registered as a commodities Introducing Broker. Mr. Strickland sold the company’s book of business in April 1997.
What does this mean? From the new filing?
16. Use of Proceeds
Provide the amount of the gross proceeds of the offering that has been or is proposed to be used for payments to any of the persons required to be named as executive officers, directors or promoters in response to Item 3 above. If the amount is unknown, provide an estimate and check the box next to the amount.
$100000
USD
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Estimate
I am happy with the consolidation trade here, given all that has happened. Hopefully, more news to come shortly will propel to te next level. If not we start to seriously tst .02.
Looks like its time to raise money for the monthly exspenses.
everyday I cry here. Can I get one word from management on an update?
141 Website update:
Why do you think the website has not been updated?
1) PR people have not gotten around to it
2) Still checking the results
3) Just not a priority right now
4) No money
Please vote or write in your own
Can anyone forward fun's email? It might help me get through the day. Been sitting on SPZI with waaaay to many shares here for waaay to long and I will take any news, speculation, rumors, whatever, so if you got fun's email or you are fun, forward it over to me.
Thanks
sheadly31@gmail.com
As a long suffering shareholder I would appreciate the email as well. Lord knows I could use some good news on this thing, or any news.
Thanks.
sheadly31@gmail.com
Still have faith in manaegment. These guys really know what they are doing. It will pay off in the long run, or they can spin out the trading arm of 141 and create a new public pinky.
Excellent consolidation here.
Excuse the psot if the answer has been posted before but has anyone posted an estimated value for Neo lately. After oh so long, I am back in the black in this. Never averaged down but trying to figure where this thing could go. Any ideas?
Anyone talk to Errol on what they plan to do here?
Long this along time. Had a nice profit, did not take it then watched it plummet. Thinking of buying again soon to avetrage my price way down. Think the company has some nice prospect now that the patent issue is cleared up.
I, for one, have never lost faith in the management team of this firm.
I buy stock to make money. Here is some of my analysis here. Lets say they get 400,000 to trade. Lets also say that they improve their performance to 20%. That would equel 80,000 return. 25% is the fee, thats 20k. So Errol gets 12K, paul gets 4K, rent is 3K leaves about $500. Minus a PR which they tolds us cost about 285 and we have less than $250 for the shareholders. Project it out with more money and for this to pay the shareholders anything takes many millions invested to trade with consistant outsized returns which, under the current market lessons, no one is able to replicate forever.
IMHO
So they are no longer trying to sell i? What happened to the IP? Its is not savagable in any form?
Anyone know what happened tp Spoozcharts? Why are they not selling those?
MC, you ever ask them about Spoozcharts?
Blue,
Suggest you look at the 141 site and not the IHUB board. Strickland DOES NOT mention SPOOZ in his Bio.
Plus, if you look at thier financials, the first year was TOTALLY paid with DILUTION.
I never said it was paid with dilution. I said dilution was coming. As in in the future.
Not employed by a broker. I am not short shares. Now answer my questions from my previous post. Also, how, exactly do you short these shares? Enlighten me with your answers. Please.
I don not know where the money comes from. Where does the money come from? I answered your question. Now answer mine.
According to the website, 141's earnings for the month were just over $500.
According to 141 filings Errols monthy earnings is $12,000.
Paul gets $4,000 and rent in $3,600.
Seems dilution is in the future.
Other possible earings?, none have ever been posted so there is no way to speculate on that.
We do have a record of dilution from this company and their other firm, of some 8,000,000,000 shares of dilution, if you combine the two.
If they had other sources, surely, the stock price would reflect that, even if they could not "annouce" it.
And where the heck is a PR?
What happened to SPZI?
Are they going to get the 1,500,000 141 owes them?
See thats what I love about you guys. You make some great assuptions that suddenly, after have two failed stocks, that they, after one month of generationg $500 that they now have streams of cash raining down on them. Looking at their financial statements, including SPZI's audited statement, therer is no evidence of any ability to generate income other than stock sale. They may have wished to do otherwise, but according to their own published statementsno income, only dilution. To then hope that some other source of funds appear is truely a leap. Using Okkams razor the most likely meathodolgy for them is whaty they have always done. Sell stock. Hey folks, they did not get to 5,000,000,000 shares by generating income or getting investors.
As for the trading results. They are great. But it is doubtful any "real" money would show up as it takes months of a record and the issue of scalability. What can be done with one or two lots may not be able to be done with 10, 20, 30 or more.
Hypesmasher here for my daily hypesmashing. Okay, results posted 141 made 500+ dollars. According to Errols released financials he earns $12,000 a month. Paul gets $4,000, according to the same document as posted in the i-box and rent is $3,600. 141 is operating in quite a big hole for the last few months and with the $500 dollar income seems like Jan was pretty much in the red as well. Let's be generous and say they get 10 times more money to trade and they maintain the same performce. Now they earn $5,000. Still, a pretty deep hole. Also, any company to put money in 141 will do a little due dilligence and see these guys spent $8,000,000 on SPZI with no return to investors. Same guys, same dillution.
Now the new year starts and with a new 504 they can raise $1,000,000. All that is needed is a higher share price as it sure is hard to sell stock @0.0001.
Just my opinion based on observation.
If you closely read the financials you will see that 99% of the money generated for both 141 and SPZI came from shareholders. Income of $500 is not going to change that anytime soon.
And then you can ask yourself, what if they do not repeat that performce and it falls, even a little. Yikes. More dilution. Same guys, same dilution
Don't shoot the messenger, friends.
One last thing that bothered me going over the financials. SPZI has a non-cancelable rent agreement in 1250 29 south till Sept 09. Why leave that space and move into 333 in the same building?
Here is what I think about their credibility of PR's. Same guys, same story. NO CREDIBILITY! Look through this email below and ask yourself, what, if anything these guys said came true. Same guys, same story. HYPE and DILUTION. Just my opinion based on observation.
From October, 2007
Email Response from Paul to questions I submitted last week.
(This was before Allie's idea of the board sending questions throught her)
Paul's responses are in bold.
Dear Paul,
I want to thank you for the efforts you and the team put in at the ValueRich expo this week. I enjoyed listening to the audio presentation, and hearing the plans and goals of the company.
From all I was able to hear from our diligent board rep, MuchCompensation, it was a very succesful experience for the company. I, and many other investors appreciate your efforts to move Spooz forward, and I am very thankful to be invested in a company that is committed to the interests of its shareholders
It was nice to hear your reference to the Ihub board - I have found it to be a great community of Spooz investors.
The mood of some on the board sometimes gets testy when hopes and expectation for news and information are high, and the share price dips. We start hearing fear, and complaints from some parties. I was wondering if you would have the time and inclination to address some of the concerns that we have heard over the last little while. I understand that there is information that you are not able to provide, but I'm hoping there might be some things you can say about the following questions to ease the minds of shareholders.
1. Do SpoozToolz and the other trading modules work well enough to be put to use in the real world? Are bugs and technical problems the reason for the delayed releases?
No, bugs and technical problems are not the problem with releasing the software. The truth is that Spooz is a complex situation. The product is complex, marketing is complex, financing is complex, in fact, nothing about Spooz is simple, especially when you consider spinning off another public company like 141 Capital, Inc.
2. Is Jan 2008 a firm date for release of SpoozToolz - or are further delays possible?
While at the Expo last week, I was introduced to, and became personal friends with the President and CEO of the Chamber of Commerce for the City of New York. To make a long story short, the Chamber is forming its International Finance Committee who’s mission will be to stimulate investment in New York companies. I was informed that Spooz will be the first company to be invited to join this committee and the Chamber of Commerce will provide office space for a Spooz sales office at Madison Avenue and 44th. Of course this is all tentative, however, our investors want us to have a New York presence before product launch because they want us international as quickly as possible. It has everything to do with grabbing market share possible as quickly as possible. This stifles competition due to brand recognition in targeted market segments, which in turn lowers the investment risk in Spooz. We believe that, in this case, quickly acquiring market share is far more important then time to market.
3. Is Spooz in a strong enough financial position to accomplish its mission? Can you say anything about "those who are seeking to inject millions" into the company? You mentioned at the expo that Spooz is not looking for money at the moment - could you elaborate on that at all?
We are turning money away, however, if what we believe may happen actually does happen, I will be looking for investment dollars in the $50 million range. I am tired of being asked about “those who are seeking to inject millions.” I wish I had never said it, but in all honesty, we are, in some cases, walking away from deals for various reasons. We believe we have the best of all worlds in our investment partners and financial consultants, namely, The Kauderer Group. The best of all worlds means extremely deep pockets, a deep understanding of our industry, world class connections, skin in the game, steadfast belief in the company’s mission and management, sweat equity.
4. Can you provide any information about the reasons for the reduced revenue projections presented at the conference (compared to the ones you PR'd earlier this year)?
Conservative numbers play far better to sophisticated investors than aggressive ones. I have learned that there is a huge risk in aggressive projections in that they tend to dilute credibility. In addition, our philosophy is moving toward under promising and over performing. We believe it is possible, if not likely to eclipse the projections. I believe that I alone, without any help from the sales department, could sell more than 4,000 subscriptions in 2008.
5. We received a second hand announcement during the expo from MuchCompenstion about Spooz uplisting to the OTC:BB. Could you tell us what the status of that uplisting is?
We are up-listing to the OTC:BB as soon as there is time. It will become a greater priority toward the end of the year, but we are already working toward the audit and required SEC filings. We have been working with an accountant for several months to prepare the books for audit. We met with our audit partners in New York while we were there for ValueRich. In addition, we will also be listing on the Deutsche Börse Group.
I realize that you are very busy, and get many emails from shareholders. I'm hoping if you could provide some answers then maybe you would have fewer individual emails to respond to.
Answering emails from shareholders is beginning to take a tremendous toll on my time, so much in fact that Errol and Care yelling at me. Although I fully intend to remain transparent, we need to find a way to lessen the load. I have dozens of emails but doing so is counterproductive and not in the best interests of the collective shareholders. In future, I must adopt a policy of answering ONLY emails from moderators of the IHUB board. I hope you understand.
I will ony post replies on the Ihub board with your permission.
You may share my answers with the board if you believe it will reduce my email by even so little as one.
Thanks so much - and I fully understand if you don't feel inclined to respond.
Best wishes,
Let me explain how this all works. 141 has no money. How do I know that. Stock price was at 0.0001 for months. They have bills to pay. Rent, saleries, taxes, equipment, that have been piling up for months. How do I know that? Stock price at 0.0001 for months. Big Apple, they got to owe them huge. How do I know that? Well, I assume they do not work for free. And we know that 141 has no money. So the only way to pay them is with stock. 141 gives lots and lots of dilutable shares to Big Apple for services to be done and they smash the bid at the first opportunity. How many shares? Let's just say that for some PR work they charge $10,000. Take that times .01 and they got AT LEAST 1,000,000 shares. They probably get it at a discount which means they get more that a million shares and they probably charge much more than $10,000. So since most of the shares are locked up and many current shareholders can't sell, who else can be selling? And the company must carefully manage the PR output so at to generate the biggest bid possible so they can further dilute the crap out of the stock. How do I know this? SPOOZ! Same guys, same story, dilute dilute dilute til death.
If you BUY this stock without even knowing the share structure you are not an investor but a lunatic.
Just my opinion.
PS I love the part where someone said they said they don't look at the boards. The same folk who used to have questions submitted by the Spooz board and answered suddenly no longer looks at the board even though they need to have abig bid show up so they can smash the bid with even more dilution. Why do you think they did the R/S? Just to get the price higher to dilute all over again. Sorry, same guys, same story. Been there done that. Do you DD. Not a single share of Spooz, supposedly a direct benificiary of 141 trade yesterday. No bid, no trade. Same guys, same story.