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Exactly why I asked about the EIA and the permits. I've worked in Washington, California and Alaska and know how long it takes to get permits. I also know how brutal "public consultations" are and how political they can get. Check out the mining activity in Alaska now for the Pebble Mine as the example. This actually went to the voters last year and is still in limbo.
This is a brutal, time consuming, expensive, high risk to fail process, that takes a lot of smoozing to get done. Does anyone here think with the cast of nutjobs we've got with this company, any politician would hang his hat on any one of them?
Do the math folks...doesn't add up. And juk is right, this is pure deception!
Oh and before I forget, who's the PMP for the project? Most states now reuire a "Project Management Professional" certified by the "Project Management Institute" (PMI). And last item, any land stripping will also require the USACE (US Army Corps of Engineers) to do a survey, which also takes months (especially if the mine will be located in or near a "flood plain." Environmental Engineering 101.
Phil
Juk, pure case of the "zacklies." THe lies we're waiting for looks "zackly" like the one's they've told us in the past AND the one's they told in the other failed ventures they've led inthe past and will probably look "zackly" like the one's in the future (if we let them do this).
And that my friend is "zackly" what we're trying to prevent!
While your doing that, I'm in touch with my former Army buddies who now work for NSA and other agencies and who can pull a visa (or two or three). AND, if he gets kicked out here, he's also out in the UK!
Now they know he's a felon in SA...dont know if they knew that before....imagine that! INS knocking on your door fo failing to complete the form!!! truthfully!
Oh, and all his assets are then the property of the US Government!
Cheers,
Phil
PD, I got played once by these buffoons and now its my turn. Only difference is, I'm laying my cards on the table. He wants to call it a "revolt." Let him! He thinks I'm hurting the company...let him! At the end of the day, I wont have to answer for anything. I'm not responsible for the day to day business operations, he is! I'm not the one posting PR's and not delivering...he is! I'm not the one who's sensitive and needs be careful...he does....get it?
Phil
Juk, completely agree...a buyout by a legit company would be great! Put a Management Group in place that knows the technical and the business. Get rid of Lumb and the Lumbamites.
Cheers from Kazakhstan,
Phil
Juk, well said. Like I said, people should be ready for the BS about to come down the pike. As Saner/Lumb said, we should be ready to revolt.
I'm still checking into the Skype Conference....anyone interested? We need to share notes, be well informed of our rights and have a plan to sppon feed back these guys. Anyone disagree?
I think he's (Lumb) about to try and transfer HGLC overseas again (back to the UK) and try and get back on the AIM. We need to put a stop to that and have him kicked of the Pink Sheets/OTC.
Anyone game? Payback is B**CH.
Phil
All, please do that (go to FFGO Posts) and you'll personally see what Lumb's all about. Good info there and I think you'll realize that Lumb REALLY doesn't care. What makes you think he'll do any different with HGLC?
Now these people are stuck! THey invested in good faith also. Listen to their emotions. Sad situation.
Phil
Thanks PD. I still wish everyone here luck in getting at least their money back...
Viv, thanks for the message, but again, no appologies. I dont think I'm hurting you at all. This company needs to step up and deliver. If its legit, then whats the issue?
Phil
Not sure what this is about. Phil
Thanks Haydro for clarifying this. None!!! None!!! None!!! have been answered!!! I dont think Colorado or Stockguy gets that....
Ok, I'll call...from Kazakhstan. I'll take the number...what will I find? Who will I talk to? if its the company, forget it! If its the regulatory agencies...sure...deal with them daily around the world.
Again, what will I find Priz?
What hard work? What's been delivered? And what's been stated that has been delivered, where's the proof? The geological reports....that are incomplete! Plus, those can be cut and pasted off the internet...show me the invoices and show me the name of the company who 1) drilled the hole; 2) who did the geo; and 3) show me the permits for drilling...from the state's department of environmental conservation...show me the EIA for drilling (can you tell I've got some experience in this?) e.g SHOW ME. Then I'll stfu!
Another Saner message. Your thoughts? I'm in awe...think this wasn't planned all along....sell out while you can. Phil
Phil,
"Fraud"; that is rubbish and you know it. Why don't you go to the Mines, meet the Personnel, ask questions, etc.
I am obviously now forced to share this communication with our Board of Directors; I can only hope that it does not "leak" to either Stephen Lumb or to any other substantial investors.
Should that happen; anything may be possible. That is NOT a "threat"; that is reality.
There are ongoing "behind the scenes" discussions regarding the future of the Company by various influential parties and one of my Board Members; I hope that you are not providing them with the ammunition that they are seeking. They do not like "Retail Investors"; only "Institutional". They would seek to merge this Company into a far larger one. I, for one; do not want that to come to pass.
Please bear all of this mind whilst you continue on your chosen course of action. How can you win by hurting this Company? All you will achieve is the provision of ammunition to have this Company swallowed up at US$0.0001 per share! And.................these guys will not waste any time.
Mike Saner.
Yeah, well next post, I'll ask if you dont think this wasn't planned all along.
Phil
Well, first of all they contacted me first. I decided to go ahead and respond. Second, I posted it in here, feeling you all had the right to know....I can change that ANYTIME. But I wont!
I dont care what DD you did, I know what I've found now and check out the next post, I think you'll have some insight to what was planned all along.
Phil
Juk, interesting point. I will ask & thanks.
Thanks Juk. I realize this now, that I am speaking to the BOPS himself.
Blame whom you want. As far as I'm concerned, with their track record, you'd be left hanging. Check out FFGO. Convinced me!
Phil
Latest reply from Saner (Lumb)and My response back:
Phil,
He is not "my boss". Most of what you mentioning is "old hat"; read it myself.
I am not forwarding this to him.
Stop trying to damage my Company please! You are hurting everybody by your actions.
Mike Saner
Mike,
Another threat to "back off." No way! I WILL NOT! And then accuse me of damaging the company???? I dont think so! The company damaged itself by being a fraud and getting caught.
Truth is, none of the shareholders can expect anything but the same from either you or the company. You (and the company) have done nothing but duck and dodge the issues, make excuses as to why you haven't delivered, blamed "third parties" without actually naming them, and now blame a shareholder who demands answers for "damaging your shareholders." Novelty at its finest.
So you think I'm damaging the company....well, like I said before, I'm only getting warmed up.
Cheers,
Phil
PD, I'm not cut out tht way. I was always the kid who took the chance, regardless of the consequences. But to keep this into perspective, my response to you is BS. I will NOT sit idley by and watch my hard earned cash go to the Nigerian-South African 411 Scaman Playboy or the BOPS as I defined before. I'm calling him out for a fight! So lets see if the chicken comes out of the coupe. I invite him to post in here or open a conference and discuss what the real deal is. I'm tired of dealing with his puppets. I dont care who he's connected to or with.
If YOU want to play like "I'm over a barrel" with this guy, I'd bet he's all over that! He's got you right where he wants...send more money....buy more of my (worthless) stock), support my lifestyle.......
Let me ask you something. Would YOU buy more of this stock? There are a looooot of people in here waiting to hear that answer. Sell you mine (and the Divs) CHEAP!!! But then again, Lumb would too!
So good luck with how YOU want to deal with this and how YOU want to represent YOURSELF. Like the old Blue Eyes song says "I Did It My Waaaaay!"
Cheers
All, one more from Saner:
Phil,
Seriously, relax!
Stephen Lumb does not have 2 Trillion shares at his disposal; nor are we afraid of him! He has millions to lose if he attacks the Company! Right now he is calm and very supportive; why anger him? It is senseless! He is not interested in our day to day affairs; let's not force him to do so, please! He does not tell us what to do; far from it; he has never demanded anything!
Lastly, we are working on the 2 key issues but please believe me; it is taking time; not because we are lazy or inept; but because we are ensuring that whatever decisions we make are in the very best interests of all stockholders. The web site sadly requires input from about twenty people; it is proving very tough for me to get it "pulled together", I am getting there, it just a question of time. Please remember that I have to deal with the ongoing exploration; new Drilling contracts; land acquisitions and all other day to day Company business as well.
Mike Saner.
And my response is.........:
Hi Mike,
Oh I'm just getting warmed up. Tell your boss the heat is on my friend. I'm as relaxed as one can get. You see, I did a little digging with my friends in London (I'm in the international oil business remember, so I get around). Being in the business, one of those you learn about and make friends with are Security and over the years, I've gotten to know several people in this industry and with many of the players.
Your boss is quite the character. Lets start with the facts. Over 100 businesses registered in his name, which he calls himself either President or CEO. Interestingly enough, he likes the word "Group." Who's he referring to when he writes this? Me, Myself and I? Thats a group! Makes for an interesting and great board meeting. LOL. (sorry, couldn't resist).
I've been asked to bring up some names for you (and him), lets see if any of these ring a bell:
-Imaging
-Essential Beverages
-Oxygen Holdings, later changed to Tera Group, then to Hanover Capital Group
-Johannesburg Stock Exchange
-Department of Trade Industry
-PW Asset
-St James Capital Holdings
-Great Western Gold
-Alternaitve Investment Market
Quite the scam artist I must say. Nothing more than a successful Nigerian 411 guy. He's pretty busy taking people's money and lets see, buying Walton Castle, couple of sports cars, not paying the check for expensive parties (Red Snapper for about 8,000 pounds)...oops, did I say that? Yep, he's been busy.
Ok, lets try a couple of comments he made that went public:
To one of the shareholders who compained (much like I am):
'You are pathetic, a typical smalltimer.'
Or how about:
'I consider you a target and therefore expendable.'
And the Granddaddy of them all:
'You little people fail to realise that people such as myself do not care about you or your lives. I do not care if I break you and your family financially, I could not give a s**t.'
Pretty smooth character I'd say. And your right, wouldn't want to upset the fellow, he might through some harsh statements at me like he did others. So tell yur boss, many of us are on to him and I dont know about the others, I speak for myself, but I'm getting the word out.
Take Care Mike
Flatline...stock is in cardiac arrest. With all the history on this guy, no way we're getting anything out of this. He's as arrogant as he is malicious (Lumb).
And now that the word's out, its only a matter of time folks. It aboslutely makes me laugh that the media in the UK calls him the "boss of the pink sheets" like he's the tephlon don or something. Yeah, he's the B.O.P.S. alright. "Smashing, wouldn't you say" (in a British tone). LOL, goes all over the East Side of town with his sports car and security...yep, he needs them.
So goodnight BOPS. Pip-pip and all that.
Another good one for the non-believers...
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page91?oid=218974&sn=Detail
Have to read!!! SO who is Stephen Lumb?
City revellers may have noticed this flashy South African president of St James Capital Holdings, who cruises round London in sports cars, has a penchant for West End clubs and is often surrounded by bodyguards. But somehow Lumb doesn't quite fit the rich playboy image.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2095-1838206,00.html...
I hear that TD Waterhouse, the broker, has been looking for Lumb for a while, and last week used Prufrock's information to track him down at the Bentley hotel. He was served papers for £11,000 of debt.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2095-1848961,00.html...
STEPHEN LUMB was livid about Prufrock's reports questioning the authenticity of his rich playboy image — but it hasn't stopped allegations that the flashy chairman of St James Capital Holdings is not great with his finances. Last week I was told Allied Irish Banks (AIB) and Knight Frank had had problems with him too. Lumb, who told me he was “controversial and difficult, but charming too”, was keen to clarify.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2095-1859068,00.html...
The name also appears in connenction with Hanover Group, whose shares are currently suspended. The Nomad (Grant Thornton) announced their resignation on the same day that Mr Lumb was appointed to the board:
http://www.companyannouncements.net/cgi-bin/articles/2003040...
Presumably just a coincidence?
Never understood. What is the FFGO board?
Phil
All, last post for the day here, will check later....
Consider this:
-Lumb likes to refer to himslef as a "Group." Probably like, me, myself and Irine, which makes me wonder if he's either brilliant or crazy (a perfecty mind comes to mind)
-Lunds Shell game involves more than 100 registered companies that he sits as the chairman of
-At all the sales, has anyone checked with either the IRS or overseas tax authorities. If ANY sale involved a capital gain, taxes had to be paid and there would be a record of it...now does Molly sound legitimate?
-these "shares" in the JV formed. Were they legitimately bought or handed over? The paper trail ends at the tax wagon folks, so it may be an idea to check.
Can we work together on this?
Cheers,
Phil
All,
Here are some more posts, fresh off the web....unreal! This is all familiar. (For more good reading, google "Hanover Capital Group" or "St James Holdings"). For the non-believers....
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu.ouZshJVOkAD9lXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEza2ZnbDl1BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0Y5MDBfMTIx/SIG=12cb782fi/EXP=1237956526/**http%3a//www.stjcapital.com/pdfs/161205_STJ_PR_Hanover.pdf
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu.ouZshJVOkAF9lXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzbjVkcWdzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0Y5MDBfMTIx/SIG=134vcfsk2/EXP=1237956526/**http%3a//smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-answers-a-20071126053442AA6gklP-k-New%2bHanover
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu.ouZshJVOkAEdlXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzZDE2NXM3BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0Y5MDBfMTIx/SIG=12cekkj8e/EXP=1237956526/**http%3a//www.stjcapital.com/pdfs/STJ_PR_Hanover_230505.pdf
Both fact and opinion. His track record and with his documented correspondence, that leads to my opinion.
if you dont think your dealing with a "mini Madoff" here, think about this:
-Limb has 2 TRILLION Shares at his disposal. Even at .0001 per share, he's swimming in our money. Do the math...what does this amount to?
-PR's are CHEAP to post. Like the old SNL "we're here to pump you up...." buy more (suckers)!
-Just as he did with his previous company, he can transfer ownership overseas at anytime and literally cancel ALL shares.
-If you look at the record, what legal entity owns HGLC? Its the same Holding Company he had when his first hurah went sour.
-The shares issued have a "Legend" which makes them very difficult to resell. Oh and by the way, Saner was kind enough to point this out to me in my correspondence with him.
-When has this company delivered? Name one item its delivered on!
This guy's stacked the deck well. Just wait and see what comes out this week. A pile words that amount to nothing. And if the shares are cancelled, his previous corerespondence made public says it all.
Good Luck,
I should change my login to "HGLC Writeoff"
Phil
Hi All. From Bloomberg today.
"London Police Battle Huge Rise in Fraud, 'Mini Madoffs' as Recession Bites Police in London’s financial district are battling a “massive” increase in fraud as the recession bites and lures more people into crime."
What do you think the Euro already is?
X your not wrong. Scam, scam scam...
Okie dokie
Hammer, my thoughts also. Payback for everyone because he got his ass kicked in school I guess.
Your like the rest of us. Sell, Sell Sell.
Tex, this is all manipulated. PPS and all of it. This stock is so diluted.....Lumb doesn't care, so one of my last posts. He thinks he's a real stud.
My Russian friends want to see how much of a stud he really is. And they are BOTH Billionaes. I know them personally.
Dont expect that to happen soon.
Yeah and I'm an old dog who know how to be tricked. I watch my own back.
All,
Some links on Lumb:
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=407869&in_page_id=2
Very interesting chap...goes to show you how much he "really cares" about us.
The worst is yet to come.
Phil
Yeah, it spells "FOOLS GOLD" from Hunt Gold!!! LOL
Agreed. .0001 forever with this one. SOld for even less behind the scenes...to himself.....partenered with...himself... wonder who he sleeps with at night...himself! Does the song "All By My Self" ring a tune for anyone?