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This is interesting nonsense. Somebody else said they had thought GL was the only one left. Which is it? Just GL, or GL and CR? Are you saying that you believe that CR is the CEO and is still in the co w/ GL? Seems that between the two of them they have enough work overseeing Serrales, Goya, and the other distributors. Maybe they don't really even need another person in there right now. On the other hand, it would be nice to get that web site.
The thing about RR is that he was good for HFBV, but it is possible that they will in the future have a spot open for a new and exciting figure to help take HFBV to higher levels. That is part of what makes stocks interesting IMO. Maybe RR will still offer some insight too. In addition to all that, they might get somebody who has a whole bunch of new connections and will attract new investors. Who knows. It's exciting.
Well that's what I was saying. He tried to say that we just increased overnight to 900M, and that is not the case. Also, I have watched at least two stocks that did fine after an RS, but they were done at the right time. I'm only care that they do it at the right time and in the right amount. I mean there is no reason to take it up to even 10's of cents really until they show some revenue and other stability factors.
Actually one of those co.'s I was talking about was an OTCBB stock, so we are talking about two different things on that one.
There are not 900M in the O/S or the float, so you cannot use that figure to calculate a decrease in stock value. Also, it did not just overnight increase 200M in Nov. It took place since they PR'd the O/S last spring. You are mixing up OS w/ AS, and the whole O/S is not even free trading. Now you are trying to tell us exactly what the RS would be if they did one? Maybe you should at least know a little bit about what you are talking about before you start talking bunk on here. If they do an RS in the future and it is done at the right time, it could actually help this stock, so if there is anybody here who really cares if they do it right, maybe you should email them about it rather than speculate down to exactly how much of an RS they would do. They have not been near as bad as a ton of other "Pinks" out there, and I don't expect them to change for the worse either.
That's cool man. Thank you for your thoughts. HFBV will live w/o RR as CEO though, and I would not say that things are "sketchy" necessarily. Granted the increase last spring was a little sketchy, but you have to weigh the increase w/ what is being accomplished w/ that increase too. I know of one co. that added like 2B to their float in a year, and they aren't doing 1/2 what HFBV has accomplished on less than 25% of the shares. If they get a huge distribution for AD in the US or even in the SW w/o too much more increase, then I think we will still be set. I think HFBV just needs to keep making sure people know what is being accomplished w/ the shares and soon let people know that some fair revs. are coming in. Nice revs. should make a big difference IMO. Like other people had said, I wish I had just found HFBV, because it is a big gem to me even though I have lost here for now. They have accomplished even more than I had expected in the last 4 or 5 months, so I am pleased w/ that.
People do find other motives other than to "bail" as you had questioned. Not to say that you were making accusations. RR still has other business interests, as we have always known, and there are probably other people interested in him. HFBV is set in motion now though, and other than the fact that he did not do the interactive web site, RR did a good job as a CEO at helping start the momentum to increasing success in terms of what the co. is doing. They have two major distributors, and some other smaller ones now, and I assume Phoenix will soon be added to HFBV's list of major distribution centers for AD. Las Vegas might even be on the way since Tierra had visited Vegas in their HFBV tour. It will be interesting to see what K-Marts start selling AD in the SW.
I've been to the one at Murry and Farmington. I'm not in Beaverton now, but it would be cool to stop in and buy some Dogg when I'm there.
Sounds like a good assessment. Some ED's taste ok though. I also got the same response from GNC about people trying new products. She said that the energy shots sell very well, and there is room for competition because people are willing to try new products. The odd thing about product quality/taste is that Red Bull, who has the largest market share (40 to 60%) is not all that good. The consumer rating on BevNet of Red Bull is low, and it is lower than Atomic Dogg, which does not surprise me.
HFBV has more shares now, but the co. is worth 10 times more than it was when it temporarily jumped up last spring and in July. This SP should be at least above .01 even w/ a completely spent AS IMO. Just the distribution alone w/ two great co.'s is worth more than than $500K.
You are correct about profit, but if they make much "net" profit, this stock will soar. Just a hint that they could make a little net profit in the next year or so should make the stock shoot up more than ever. High revs. will put more eyes on this from real investors, and if they see a co. w/ a 500 to $900K cap, that could net even say $100K in a year, I think they would get interested, because that is over a 10% net profit. When a co. is still growing in leaps, that net profit should increase too. If HFBV can pull a profit in bad times, just think what they could do in bad times. I know I've misjudged how people would react to news like Goya and Serralles, but net profit is a whole other story. There should not have to be speculation on whether that would make HFBV shoot up.
About $1K. At that price, we should just organize ourselves to buy out 1/2 this co. If we had over half the shares as an organization, wouldn't we have a legal right to make some decisions? If I owned it and I wanted to maintain majority control, I'd probably be buying back my co. to hold a majority of shares. Maybe that makes no difference. Any ideas Mike?
"Ladies/gents" HFBV the co. is alive and well, as you can see from recent news. This poster does not know what he is talking about. Stock price does not necessarily point to any fraud. If it did you might as well say nearly every co. out there has been involved in fraud in the last few months.
Why does your post not surprise me NITE?
Email the co. Maybe the email was an automated message. I think you can get one if you are persistent, but I assume you will have to circumvent the system to do it.
Thank you Scraps.
Whit what part of that do you agree? It was not completely clear IMO. Do you just agree that the shares are eligible for sale? Of course they are, but why would they sell near par? Tell you what. If I had an extra $400K, I'd just sit on par at .001 and wait for people to sell me the whole co. for $400K. There are people out there who could do that too. To some it would be nothing but pocket change.
Just because the insiders can sell shares does not mean they are selling. The increased O/S cannot indicate insider selling either, because restricted shares are already part of the O/S. If anything, those guys should be buying, and if this were to drop much lower, I would not doubt somebody just sitting on the bid at par value. HFBV is worth much more than $400K IMO, and it really does not matter what the share price is for a spell. It's like saying a Ferrari is only worth $10K one day because it would not sell for $200K in a given period.
Jump ship?? Do you think HFBV wants people to jump ship so they can buy the co. back. I would. I'd just buy it back at these prices. It would save me a lot of headache. If course they could not buy it all back until they were maybe over .03, but maybe if they were to do it in small enough amounts it would not run like that. Not saying they are doing that, but I would. Then when Goya, Serralles, and whatever else comes up really starts paying off they can sell some back.
If Atomic Dogg is in Beaumont, you should click on the product location link (not the direct google link) at the top of the IBOX to get to BBD's post and tell him to add it to the map. Either that, or you can just contact him w/o going to that link. I assume you mean Spencer's, since you mentioned the "original 50."
Cross promoting w/ video games.
Hard to say how much more respectable, but it did not help. Many good co.'s are down though. I'm talking good co.'s that were making a net profit. DPDW was doing well until fuel dropped and they market hit the big low. I cannot see why HFBV would not been feeling at least some of the same.
3 cents would be great and very doable once some things clear up here IMO. I'd much rather see it go to .03 on its own than much higher artificially. Then once it stabilizes they can make other adjustments.
What blows my mind Mike is that way back then a lot of my reasoning was speculation. I mean I had talked w/ IR and other people a few times, and it had not been all that long since JB spoke, but now they have really evolved into a reality, and the SP is lower now then when all we had was speculation. JB is still not showing himself, but Goya and Serralles overshadow him quite a bit IMO, and I think they will get somebody else to do some of what JB was going to do. JB is a pretty busy guy w/ the Amer I Can stuff and all. I do hope he does eventually offer a public vote of support. I think he at least owes that to us.
Regards.
Though I remain positive about HFBV, I have not disagreed about the SP being out of order. There have been plenty of people trying to shock people with emotionally charged comments for whatever reason. Why should I join them? It does not mean I'm not as disappointed as the next real investor here. There is no pint whatsoever in joining ALL the whining and bashing that goes on. I think they have that dept. covered. Also, You have to admit that some of it is market. Somebody thought it wise to compare the HFBV web site to a different co the other day. Just because that co. has a higher share price does not mean it is better off based on that. The web site certainly did not make it much better off either IMO. It was down over 70%. There are many decent co.'s that are down. I could name 10 w/o even looking. Some of which people have tried to praise on this board in the past. If you are really an investor, I'd recommend you keep making your legit suggestions, but spend a little time reaching out to the online community. Many of the big drink co.'s have thousands of people sowing some support for their product of choice. If every person on here were legit and wanted to see something out if this, they'd be a little less active at running at the mouth here and more active at getting the word out online IMO. I know some of you have done a lot, so don't think I have not noticed. Even some who have bashed may have done some good things, but there is much more we can do. There are several people who have collectively spent several hundred hours on here posting fruitless complaints over and over. If more of those hours went to something productive, maybe we would at least better coverage. I realize that HFBV could have already gotten more coverage themselves, but we will just have to live w/ that for now. I don't know how they spend every minute of their time growing the co., but from what I have seen, their work is paying off. As far as us making a big impact on aiding the marketing, we will be restricted by where the product is located just as much as HFBV. The online store is great for those who just want to try it, but for real sales, we are still limited to Chicago, LA, Puerto Rico, Phoenix soon, and whatever other areas they have planned in the near future. I say we should try to increase marketing/promotions in those areas. The google machine will pick up Atomic Dogg/HFBV when people make all their different searches if we are well linked.
Is anybody here into video games?
I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say. Of course people invest to make $, and an RS in itself would not make $. That is why I said that it is best that it goes up based on progress. They will make more progress. We have not yet even seen the impact Goya could have. It's not cool because the co. "was" doing some good things. It's cool because they are and continue to do good things. If you are talking about the SP, that is not cool. Nobody will disagree w/ that. However, this is good for buyers. I'd be very surprised to see it drop past its resent lowest point. I could have more short oddball drops, but I don't think that even HFBV would have sold shares for less than .001. I'm not sure it would even be legal considering the par value. There is no doubt in my mind that HFBV is worth more than $400K with all they have going now. It is worth more than that w/o Goya IMO.
Funny guy. I think you forgot Mike in February. We added him then so it would not look so obvious that it was just some set-up. We needed some balance you know. We were all so surprised that they actually went somewhere w/ HFBV, because we were only here to scam people Now look. HFBV has continued to progress very well, and I'm beside myself. Who would have thought that they would actually do what they said and what we believed they could do? I'm even starting to become a real believer. Maybe it's time Mike and all of us dissolve our collaboration to fool everybody and let HFBV keep expanding the business and let the results speak for themselves.
So it could have made some difference even in the past? I think I get your point about distributors, but I think RR's rolodex is full, and he is making his rounds. Seems to me that he is a reputable guy in the industry, and I would assume reputable enough to catch the interest of big distributors even w/o a great web site. Like I said, maybe one of his rolodex contacts will encourage them to change the web site though. If we did not have RR, I can see where HFBV could have been much worse off w/o a high-class web site.
Oh give us a break prosper. I think that until recently a better web site would not have made much difference at all, and they do not "plan on staying third rate." There are a lot of good things coming together here, and I believe that w/ all the recent progress, we will see some online updates as well. That may be a moth or more out. I don't know, but I don't think your "third rate" accusations will change their mind. I've said my piece, and many others have as well, so it is not like they have not gotten an ear full. A couple of moths of not getting the web site updated will not disqualify HFBV from hanging "with the big boys someday." Personally, when they do make the new web site, they can do better than Monster. I just looked at that one, and it looks good and all, but there is more to offer than that.
This may sound negative, but we don't want "all time highs" until HFBV is really hopping and making a profit. It obviously started out way too high, and even .50 right now would be too much to sustain. Nobody will want this at .50 IMO for a long time. I mean look at the other co. that was discussed yesterday. They are in Target, they have a lot less shares, and they only trade at .09 at this time--down from .45 last spring, and .30+ more recently. They should not be concerned about getting the SP way up until it is ready to go up on it's own merit IMO. Otherwise we could see more losses. I'm not saying that they should not at the right time adjust the structure a little, but not until it is ready. A little restructuring might not be bad, but it will not go to anything near all time highs for a long time by itself. Nobody should be embarrassed about having a low SP. They would lose much more face if they were to artificially pump it up only to fall way back again. There are many co.'s grossing over $10M a year that don't trade above .50, not to mention 3.00, so I would not expect HFBV to do any different. One thing I must say is that there were not many shares sold into the market at 3.00, and it is a bit confusing why they even started it that high. Bashers often use the 3.00 figure for shock value, but when you look at the chart it is obvious that it really was not truly trading there. It really did not do much true trading until it bounced off of .05. If we were just to make it above .03 from here (w/o artificial pumping), and trade above that, I think HFBV would be doing extremely well, and anything purchased below .01 would have very nice gains.
Who shot the idea down months ago? I think the only thing shot down was if it was going to cost much at the time to do such a thing. It was not many moths ago that we did not even know they collectively had a couple of hundred stores in LA and Chicago. The only objection I remember was in regards to spending $ promoting something that was not going to be available for a while. I was of that mindset for the most part. Now I think that it would be good to see some action in Chicago and LA at least. Maybe they are looking for other stars as we speak. There could be reasons why they they do not want to use JB as much as they had planned. He is a pretty busy guy. That does not mean that we will never see him say something in HFBV's favor, but maybe they are looking for a better spokesperson who can devote more time. There are other respectable, well known people out there, so all is not lost if they do not use JB in that capacity IMO.
Thank you. Great post. I do agree that it is just ok. I did not know that we were in a phase where the web site would make a huge difference, but I figured we were reaching that phase. I really do not completely know the mind of the mind of the vendors who could be looking to sell the products. I figured that Goya and HFBV could continue do well for a while contacting businesses themselves and making a person to person impression, but I suppose you are right in saying they could be missing some who are interested in them. Maybe one of these times a big co. will just tell them that they would like to see the web site changed. Goya looks more up to date, and I assume HP will be featured on the Goya site. It is not really an interactive site, but it is more professional looking right?
One thing I disagree w/ is that the web site is responsible for HFBV's downfall and it is proves nothing to use some of the other co.'s as examples of businesses that have better web sites because they are not doing well because of it. That just is not the case. The one we were talking about yesterday fell more than 70% over the last 4 months, and that was w/ good news and a modern-looking web site.
I would love to see a new web site. I would not even use the one already discussed as an example, because I don't think it has much more to offer other than looks. I think I would compare to AZ Tea or some other site that has more interactive features. I really do agree that they could design a site that would attract people for things other than beverages. I think that is where the real value would show the most. It would be nice if people were saying, "Hey you should check out all the entertaining features on the HFBV site." They should try to cross promote on the web site through the entertainment too.
I believe there are much better things to come in regards to the web site. They said they had put it on hold right? RR should know when it will make more of a difference to have a better site, and either the time is not now in his opinion, or they are still working on more important things and will get to it asap.
Just because you are not seeing the success in the stock does not mean they cannot be successful with the web site as it is. More important things may have to happen aside from the web site. For instance, the Goya roll-out has to be successful. Nobody will buy HFBV just because they have a nice web site. At least I hope not. I certainly will not tell people they should buy based on a nice web site. If I thought a good web site would make all the difference, I might have had one made myself and handed it it over to HFBV. If they had thought a new web site would have changed everything, I believe they would have made a new one. However, I agree that the web site could use some work.
Now about Skinny, their web site has not saved them either, so you people who are trying to say these other co.'s are so much better than HFBV because of their web sites are way off. Skinny hit highs of .36 to .39 for over a week in August, and now they are at .09--over 75% down. That was w/ some big name execs. involved, and they are also a reporting co. So much for the web site theory.
You might be relatively correct, but don't believe everything on here either. Most are disappointed w/ the SP, but some on here have made some $ off this. Maybe not as much as they had hoped due to some of the recent unexpected drops, but in the past some people made $ here. I'd bet on it, and a few have actually spoken. Not all are open about it of course, but I know of a couple who have been, and because of that they should not be as negative IMO. Nobody is going to talk me into thinking that some people have played this for anywhere from 25% to 100% plus gains. It's anybodies' guess who they all are (aside from the ones who said so), but just because people act as if they had lost everything does not mean it is true.
I suppose frustration would be an understatement. Nearly everybody might be frustrated now--even the players. I remember one guy complaining that it wasn't good for a flip anymore (my heart really went out to him--not). That may be true, and maybe some players even lost at their game in some places. I certainly did not think we'd be back below .002 after the Goya news. Maybe some had already bought earlier in anticipation of the Goya news though. We already had known something was coming for a few weeks really, so it was not big surprise to me. Maybe we really needed to surprise a different crowd. Hopefully this Goya roll-out will change the action that we've seen here lately by attracting other investors. I'm not even sure about the exact extent of what Goya can do, but they are big, and if they can take us nation-wide and internationally in a fairly short time, it should be real good. The stores they service should be in the thousands. Maybe they can even work in Pilot Travel Centers. Goya distributing to Pilot would be a nice next surprise, and to be it would be a bigger surprise than Goya itself since the rumor was already out on that deal.
You have a point about the IRP.
I thought your incentives were better than that. You will have to have weasel give you all his cans to send.
What do you mean Mike? I thought they had already set aside 40% of the O/S for you alone. I heard they were giving you 5 shares for every one you purchased plus 1K for every positive comment. That means that every day you can get 15K, but make sure you don't say anything negative because they will take off 1K for every negative comment. Hope that helps
You're right, but the really crazy posts like that add to the humor on this board. Just as long as people realize it is humor, I think we will be ok. Even I can see that everything is not perfect, but I don't want to say too much is wrong because every time I say something negative they take back my shares I got for saying something positive;-0
Well maybe they will hate me for saying so, but it does not hurt to try. You have legit concerns. I'm sure they feel it too. There are other factors out of their control I'm sure, but maybe with the recent progress they can think about the stock itself a little more. Then again, maybe they are still putting most of the energy directly into the business. When we see the real fruits of the business, something will have to give IMO. If the numbers are right, major investors should take a look and squeeze out the dross if they act upon it IMO. Maybe we don't even need major investors. Maybe a bunch of the same would do the trick if the numbers are right. However you look at it, this is both an exciting and disappointing time for me. I'm obviously not pleased w/ the stock lately, but it will be exciting to see what happens w/ Goya and Serralles. A couple of the people I had argued w/ last summer said that if only they finished the Pilot deal HFBV would be a good buy. We are on the verge of something 10X or maybe more greater than Pilot w/ only maybe 2X the shares. Where are those people? I'm sure they now have other objections, but the proof in in the pudding, and the pudding will be ready to eat in the next few months. If only Goya were successful, it will be awesome, but we have Serralles and whatever else they are working on. That is not pumping. They are facts. I'm sure by now many wish that HFBV had done nothing at all or folded, but I still personally feel (IMO of course) that it is grossly undervalued. Time will tell. If Goya were to not work out, I'd have other feelings, but HFBV has Goya, and that is some great progress.
HFBV went up in July, so you were not always correct, and it was any person's guess what it was going to do thereafter. If everybody had sold on your cue mid June, some would have been ticked off at least temporarily, but some made out. Who knows if you did not as well. I really don't care if you held or sold. I will say that if you held, you are just a basher who did not practice what he preached, and if you had sold, then you are just a basher--not much difference to me, but the first scenario is quite odd considering the effort you have put in telling people how it is on here and not to reply if they have no proof otherwise. Seems like somebody has placed themselves on a perch above us all. However, the nature of this board does not lend itself to making unsupported claims w/o some kind of objection. Telling people not to reply is as good as telling them to reply IMO. If you do not want a reply don't reply to me. You did not say IMO in that post to RTF. You said that your explanation was how it was, and nobody should reply unless they had proof otherwise, and I consider that a good reason to reply.
I am doing no baseless pumping here. I usually discuss the progress and tell people that many of those who make basher type claims have no proof. You tell me why people would say things like HFBV is a gang, mob boss GL is all that is left. Now we have a few of you commending posters like MZ for all his mindless posts. Maybe you are no different than MZ, but I give you a little more credit than MZ, because everything you have said does not seem to be mindless. At least I have proof that HFBV has made awesome progress. I had told people that there was big news coming before we knew anything of Goya. IR had told me they had some big deals in the works, and they did. That was not pumping, and I told people where the info. came from, so it was not something I had dreamed. The part I was obviously off on was how people would respond, because I thought it would go back up at least to around .01 from .005. Do I regret predicting that? Of course. However, that was before it had dropped to .002, and it is harder to go quite that far from .002 and stay there.
Your statements about your "many posters" who either are in the open or who have PM'd you really do not bother me. I'm not here to be a people pleaser. Back when I guess you still had PM, you had thought it necessary to share that so many people had PM'd you about me. I'm still here, so it should be obvious that I could care less about my rating or your rating of me here.
Please Do feel free to reply. "I hope that is clear."
You should send it in an email. I really don't think they read all of your posts. At least it seems like somebody gets the emails.
You have been bashing HFBV for 6 months, but you held all the time when you told other people they should have flipped??? What a guy sacrificing your own well being so others can prosper. This is all a nice story to connect w/ those who might be willing to sell this low. You story has changed little for the past 6 mos. You had told people that they would be smart to sell many times both before and after the rise above .01 in July. You tried to harass me about my losses way back in June, but you could not even practice what you preached?? Are you not good enough to hit the sell button either? Selling has to be easier than flipping if you cannot flip as you say.
I have lost no more credibility than you. That is not to say that I don't regret saying some things or that I have not lost any credibility. Neither of us can prove anything really other than that the O/S has increased. You could not even prove that the AH shares were sold at 5% below the others. I cannot even prove it if I had calculated it every day, because we have never had all the info. we need to make an accurate calculation. The day I did make a calculation, it was 6.3% different. That is not to say that it was not 5%. it is just that we do not have all the info. we need to make an accurate calculation.
I'm not wasting my time trying to prove I own anything here, and I don't know why you feed the need to post dates you had supposedly bought into this.
I have not done any real pumping for a long time. Last spring I did get wrapped up in the excitement, but it was not so I could dump all my shares on people as others have admitted to having done.
I also did not answer your post primarily to oppose you. I replied because the fact that you are telling people that you are correct (rather than an IMO) and telling people not to reply to you if they do not have proof of another explanation. I could not resist Dead. You pretty much asked for me to reply IMO.
Like I said, it could be partly due to shares owned by a financier as dead had mentioned. Since we do not have any details on the float specifically, but we can all guess that the the float has increased. Whether most of the drops are from some broker or financier selling is speculation I'm not saying it is poor speculation, but we really do not know who would sell at a loss in hopes of getting cheaper shares. Also, all the drops were not at a loss. Other people on here have admitted to selling at a loss. There were people making $ on this at .03 just recently. There has certainly been manipulation and other factors involved here too. Why would it go to .01 w/ no rev.'s, no distribution, no Goya, no Serralles, etc. on like 1/2 the shares, but it continues to struggle at 10% that w/ all the success? I 100% believe there were many big sellers at different points on the way down, and some may have moved on w/o buying back. That's not to mention that it is possible to short it.
They recently put out a newsletter, and it was very positive. If you need them to hold your hand every day, them maybe you should have left long ago, because this is not something now, and everybody knows it. It might be another week or so before we hear more. So what. At least I can bet that they are continuing to progress based on past performance after silence.
I don't know why you need some message from RR right now. He has already spoken IMO through the results we have seen in the last few months. Actions speak louder than words.
MZ will never be vindicated, so why even say such a thing. Just because HFBV dropped after MZ sad it would means nothing to me. He had a 50/50 chance of being right either way, but the other things he said were self damming. He would be negative even if we were at .05 IMO. Would a SP of .05 change the fact that MZ or his cronies stated that HFBV was just a gang?
Funny guy. As if you are not speculating as well, and now you are saying that "this is what is happening" w/o am IMO, and nobody has any business replying unless they have proof. Don't bother posting yourself then if you do not have absolute proof, and if the post was only for RTF and nobody else to reply to, then maybe you should have sent him a PM. There could be some of what you say involved, but that is not all IMO. Even you said you had figured on selling for a small flip at .0025 or whatever it was. What better time to spread such doom than after a person has sold? Nobody really knows when the other guy is buying or selling unless they are teaming it, and even then I'm sure there are dishonest people who will pull none over on the team. At least you are not trying to say that you just bought and have held long all this time. I will at least give you that much.
I was just joking about HFBV buying of course. If a buyer had $ to buy like that, why would they try to do it 10 or 15M at a time? There is a slight chance that they would have to change their bid and chase it up.
HFBV cannot sell shares directly into the market, and you know it. Oh well you sure changed your mind quickly about HFBV--Not. As if you have ever said otherwise about HFBV selling unless you were trying to get people to buy temporarily. At least you are out in the open about it. Makes no difference w/ you .01 or .001, the drop is always from HFBV, and some of you people have made claims that every drop was as if HFBV was personally there waiting to directly dump on unsuspecting investors.
".032"--that is funny. Seems like somebody is trying to exaggerate. Ya, and we are down from .005 in the last 3 weeks too, because it spiked up to .005 once. I did not say that the stock price does not suck, and you are skirting around my main point only to spew out more garbage as if it justifies the lying.
You sure say "we" a lot. If I were to say we that much, as in "we have accomplished", I'd be accused of working for HFBV. I get it now, HFBV is paying you to get this down so they can buy their own shares back cheaper. Why didn't I think of that before?
Holding HFBV shares still means little to me. You still have bashed it along the way even though you claim that you once thought higher prices were a good deal. Maybe you had said something a time or two that it was worth more, but it was wishy washy at best, because you have spent a large portion saying otherwise and trying to create or add to an air of doom"
"Posted by: Ryan T Frazier Date: Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:03:42 AM
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wow 0.0025 i dont know what to say to that. getting to the point of no return IMO"
Telling people that .0025 was the point of no return does not seem like you had thought it was a good deal at the time as you had claimed today. I really could care less about your proof of shares, but if you want show everybody that you hold shares while you spew out your negativity, then go ahead--show it to us. To me, it could just suggest that you might be a little crazy. If you thought .0025 was "the point of no return", then what are you doing here still bashing 2 months later saying the same thing and claiming you still hold it?