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No thanks needed, and you still have to use sense here and not take my word as gospel. This is a pink, and though they are not near as bad as some pinks I have been in, they are not as good as I had once thought in terms of transparency. The drop was much due to dilution, and there are no guarantees they will not do that more to some extent. Grant it, overall market conditions and the way in which HFBV promotes the co./stock also are important factors. If HFBV were to show high revs and a high likelihood of future profit I suspect this could soar even w/ some dilution. We just have to see what happens. I'd just stand watch for that moment when it appears that the are going to survive and seize a reasonable market share in comparison to the share price. I bought a little more of this recently, but not near as much as I could. I'm watching though.
55% is a lot to lose. Some people here have lost at least 90% on this though, so you are lucky to have gotten involved at should be a lot closer to the bottom than where other started investing.
Do you still have the house and everything? Sounds like a real cool set up. Were you planning on doing a little farming w'/ the tractor, or did you mean the tractor was just set up as a backhoe?
If they keep the OS under control I think we could go well above .001 with favorable results from Goya and the other deals. Even with a little change in OS we may still see favorable gains. High revs. will make a big impact, and it should help show that they can survive w/o too much more financing. If we see an actual profit, step aside HANS--HFBV is the dogg in town.
Jay Leno has become a classic line now I guess. I used to bring him up a bit, but where was he when we were tanking? Sure would like to see him jump in now. A few months ago I figured he could have sold a couple of high-$ cars to buy HFBV at the SP. Now it is down to one moderately high-$ car. He might have to chase it up more than the one car's worth, but He should be able to buy a fair amount between .0005 and .002 or so I'd think--at least a voting share.
I had never actually thought if him buying up HANS though RTF, but I would hope he would just buy a large long-term position in HFBV rather than buy HANS, or did you mean buy out HANS's stake in HFBV?
Still looking good today. I think that if stocks investments were as popular as they were not too long ago we would have seen some fair gains already. Actually I'm a little shocked that a big co. has not started buying in by now w/ all the new accounts. I think the gains will still come if the right conditions are met (consistent share structure). It just might take a little longer if the $ are not really flooding in. Not making any promises though. It's just that HFBV w/ all its contracts/partners should be worth more than $250K, and if HFBV is actually seen as a threat, they should still be worth a fair amount as a possible buy-out target. All these new accounts are worth $ IMO.
HFBV did dilute. The fact that I had once written 700 posts, as you say, refuting such heavy dilution, does not mean that I cannot see the writing on the wall when the co. itself announces it. It also does not mean that I should not mention dilution as a concern in future posts until they prove differently. We still don't know all they are up to regarding share structure, and we might not until it has already been done. I did delete a small number of posts when the poster had claimed that a certain number of shares had been diluted as if it were fact (before the HFBV update). However, I was also reprimanded by admin for doing that, and I stopped deleting what could have been complete lies. I did Not delete a "Bunch" as you say Mike, and you know very well that I did not even delete a bunch overall (depending in what a bunch is). I know you were concerned a few weeks ago as well Mike. I can paste your post on here if you'd like me to remind you. Please don't harass me for mentioning the word dilution in my posts. I'm not stating it as fact. I'm only concerned because we cannot be sure it will not happen or that they will not do some other form of restructuring.
When people get on here and say this is going to the moon and say that it is certainly worth a certain amount of $ I can't help but think that dilution could still play a part in how far this goes and what HFBV is worth. However I have also said that I believe it is worth more than .0005, and I did buy more myself. Please don't act as if I'm being unreasonable until you can prove otherwise.
No Mike. Thank you.
The dilution was real if you did not notice Mike. I'm not dropping the bomb that much, but I don't mind using the word since it has been very evident. I don't see dilution now, but it is certainly not something I'm going to overlook as in the past. Why should I? Because you bought more and do not want the word "dilution" to scare people to death? I bought more too, but that does not diminish my concern. Once they show that they can survive off revs. w/o dilution, I will be happy, and I think the dilution word can die as well. Until then, nobody really knows what they will do. Do you disagree with this?
Ok flick. Thanks to all who "do" keep the SP alive. I got you now. The do in your post was separate, so I was a little confused there. Cheers!
"Do"--what was "do"? You lost me flick. What does "do" have to do w/ getting smarter?
By the way, I did not mean to use "sob" in the one post. It was supposed to be just "so." I guess sob could fit though
Do we have bid support or not though? That is an important factor. However, it can be faked, so you can't completely trust it w/ your life or anything.
That's what I had said before we knew HFBV had also dumped on us. I suppose it is possible, but if we were to get big spenders, we could also buy out HANS or whoever might do such a thing.
While who's selling though? How strong is the ask? Do we have $10K or whatever it might take to punch through a strong ask? Not something I'm willing to bet on just yet. We need reason to believe that new $ is showing up here. To follow it up, because some people will just be dumping on you. Why would you believe differently? Who knows. Maybe the MM's will just dump on you if they think they can just drop it back to .0004.
Do? What is do? I hear you know. Sob are you saying that we don't have much support?
Well if they are not dilutional, then they probably will not be too delusional either. However, I don't think it is going to the moon w/o a real effort to get some big $ interest in this fir the long term. We didn't even see much effort in that respect when there was dilution. Among other factors, that is one reason why it tanked. It should have never dropped past .001 IMO. That is the par value, and I thought they were legally not even supposed to sell lower. Maybe they did not technically sell that low. It is possible that they traded X amount of shares valued at .001/share, and the sellers figured they would just get what they can. Like giving 10M shares at .001 in place of a $10K fee, and the holder decides they will just sell to get whatever. In this case, $5K rather than $10K. Any other ideas to legally avoid the par value?
Please explain.
Wasn't LJ supposed to be showing up to promote HP when product gets stocked? Should be seeing that soon. Come on Goya. Show us the goods w/ LJ making a public scene. We want some scenes.
No it did not. Interesting that it was propped back up w/ 40K at EOD.
.0004? Weren't even any trades at .0004, and high bid stayed at .0005 all day didn't it?
Haven't a clue about Brett. Hope he is ok whoever or wherever he is. Y'all be good now ya hear.
Are you closer to Murray or 217? I've been through that area a lot. The bulk of the people I know are closer to Beaverton central though. I used to go to Trader Joe's in Beaverton quite a bit. That might be a good place to hit up for business too.
As far as HFBV goes and everything else, some day none of it will matter--all the billions lost and stolen in the stock market--all the lies told by corrupt firms and corrupt companies--the many people hording treasures on earth through the destruction of other people. Oh it will matter all right. It will be on record, but it will no longer matter to us if we were not in that circle. If it were not for the good people in the evil market, I'd say let it die completely now and forevermore. My loss is not eternal.
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
I still have dibs on the 7-11 down the road from you, so don't go soliciting my stores. I joke. How are things in Tigard? When are you going to get Spencers selling AD at Washington Square? Or do they now?
Much good going on but the "bad vibe" will not completely end until they make it clear that there will be no more heavy dilution IMO. You might get a tidal wave, but if people cannot trust it they will not ride it all the way out. They've been on the pinks all this time w/ insufficient transparency to keep a good rating. It was not a big deal for a long time because I believed IR and other people that they were not diluting heavily. Now that they lied about that and other things, and have stayed on the pinks and still have the option to RS and dump more shares, I have a difficult time trusting them. That is not to say it is not worth .0005. I might even buy a little myself, but I just don't see a sustained "wave" anytime soon without a higher level of trust.
About things taking time. That is true but that has also been an issue that points towards unwillingness to be very transparent. I was told, as others back in June that Pilot would be soon be selling HP. At that time it was supposed to be very soon too. Well Plot never happened but they might get HP through Goya. As I said a few months ago, many other deals have overshadowed the negativity of Plot gone bad, but that issue, the increased OS, AS, and other shortfalls have broken the camel's back, and the 200M+ shares added was the last straw. Do you think they just changed over night and they will continue the same if they think it necessary?
I'm still a supporter of HFBV, and if they stop what they've been doing the last year in terms of what killed us, or at least be open about their actions, they will get more support. I know there are good people still involved with HFBV who also got burned, so I'm not even trying to say the the whole co. is bad. Nevertheless, somebody in HFBV dumped on us--quite literally huh?
Well things would be different for me if 2 people, who should have known, did not tell me things contrary to what had happened. I was told they already had the $ needed, and that there was not that kind of dilution going on. I agree though. 270M more shares was not too bad compared to many other co.'s I have watched, and if they can make it fly w/o more dilution we should be ok from here. I've been crushed though, and nobody can be certain that they will not dilute more to pay for more business deals. Who pays for all these stores to stock product. It is often not free to get shelf space in the big stores. That is probably part of the reason they diluted 200M+ more. These are questions they should answer after what they have put us through. Looking back, I can see where RR could have been of more help, but his involvement or non involvement had nothing to do w/ the drop. It was the 200M+ more shares since he had joined that did it, and he still never built the stated interactive web site that was w/in his area area of expertise. At one point it was not a big deal to me, but since around Aug--Sept I had been saying that it would be nice to see it, and then when CR took over as CEO I said that RR should at least give us the web site, but nothing became of it. Maybe RR more than worked off his shares or pay, and if that is true, I apologize, but I can only know for sure what I see or do not see, and I don't see the web site.
Hey I never said that. . . well maybe a little, but you know the writing is on the wall, and until there is proof of no selling and no RS, I will not try to tell people they will get rich. However, I do believe we could see significant gains from here in the long run if they avoid the above or at least minimize it a lot. If you figure we are nearly maxed out at 470M, that is not much of a cap for a co. that has done as much as HFBV has. If the economy were different I would not have been surprised to see an offer for the co. at more like .005/share. Way back when, I thought that a par of .001 meant that HFBV could not sell below that, but here we are. Somebody is still selling at .0004. We can only guess until they give us legal documents regarding shares and what there plans are in issuing more shares or doing an RS. That said, if I thought they were going to RS at the wrong time or continue diluting HEAVILY, I'd probably be gone right now. I might take a chance on a few shares below .0005, but until we get legal confirmation regarding the above issues, I'm not expecting to get anywhere rich off of it. Rich?? It would have to go to the tens for me to get rich, and even that would not be rich. The value of the dollar is dropping faster that HFBV is moving up. Wait a minute, we aren't moving up are we?
I like some of what you said, but some of those weekly PR's do not work. If they had something worth saying every week and they did not dilute it might help a lot but I've seen co.'s put out crap repetitive PR's every week, and the stock did nothing but drop. Maybe an update every 2 to 3 weeks would be better. I thin the PR's do cost $ so unless the weekly does a lot it is probably not worth it. Nevertheless, no one can't argue against your overall point.
I'm surprised you were not let down by the 200M dilution. Is it because you had expected that much all along? I think the RR incident was minor in comparison. Do you think JB still has anything to do w/ HFBV? I'm still positive, but there are still major unanswered Q's. They can tell us about every new store and product, but if other issues are not settled I don't think it will matter.
There were plenty of T trades since though right? If the dilution was seen in the T trades, as many people had thought, you'd think 405M would be inaccurate. Just one of the questions I think should be answered. We had 4M more share printed in AH yesterday. Maybe it was just so people do not get too excited. Was that 4M at .0004 or .0005? Wow! Lots of action here today huh?
I wish I could get 5 fills on that. I'd be lucky to get 2. We still pay about 2.36/gal here.
Like you said some averages are less, and I assume some would sell. Otherwise, we should not have seen another drop and it should be a little higher now IMO. Maybe just a few day traders who jumped in when some people here tried to usher in some excitement. I understand what you are saying though. I haven't been trying to flip it either, and I hope they have a heart and let it recover.
Thanks for your good attitude hunggar. It is good to see them making good on it, but as we have seen in the past this tanked while they announced other good news. I doubt we get to .0X soon but even to get it to sustain above .001 we need no more dilution and we do need investors like you said, and I'm not seeing them show up yet even w/ all the good news we have been hearing. Unless you all dumped a while back, I doubt we have enough $ between all of us to get this above .01 and hold it there so we need more $. If they do not keep diluting, I'd think it should stay above .0003 even w/ minimal buying going on. I'd think that if HFBV insiders know what's up they'd be buying out anything in the .0003-.0004 range or even higher maybe. W/ all the $ we have all dumped into this we could easily buy 3/4 of this co. at .0004 right now. Just sick.
Ya so who sold over 1M today at .0004? Who sold another 4M at .0005? Where did the extra 4M in AH come from? If they capped the AS at the OS, HFBV should not be selling, so why did Dead just say we have T trades again. Why can't they just tell us now that they are finished dumping? Very touchy here. I'd like to buy a little more but there are ways around the AS, so I cannot be sure of anything now.
I believe you said that before weasel sold too. You cannot be sure that everybody here is down 90%. Maybe that was before we knew they had dumped 270M shares on us though. I don't remember. What do you mean by all or nothing? Do you mean long or nothing or just when a person can get 50% back. I'm not saying it is wise to dump now necessarily, but whether people do or don't is not something I can be sure of, especially if these T trades show up again. Who dumped 1M+ at .0004 today?
If HFBV is officially finished dumping then I think we have a real good chance at getting back to .00X relatively quickly, so I'm willing to hold but I'm just gambling as you are. If it were all about if they were going to expand the business, things would be different. If that was all we need to consider, we should have been back to .0X already.
Has anybody seen the nutritional info on the new HP? I was wondering if they reduced the carbs. and did not add artificial crap. I don't like the artificial stuff, so I'd rather just have reduced carbs. and leave it at that. I've looked at juices out there that said reduced sugar, but then they load it w/ nutra sweet or splenda. It would be nice to see the new HP on HFBV and Goya's sites w/ product info. Have they realeased any product info other than the 2 carb. info.?
Thank you.
Your note sounded slightly candy coated. I'm not sure how many would not sell on bad news. Depends on how bad you'd think. Meanwhile, there is no upward movement on 5M+ vol. including about 1M that was dumped at bid. My broker is still showing that HFBV still has only 156M shares out. Wish that were true. Nevertheless, this should be a good price in relation to the co. value, but what do I know anymore. I thought .005 was a good price too, but that was before. If I were an insider and knew that there was to be no big RS and no more OS increase, I'd be buying this out big time.
Working, and I did not want to look at this on my off time. Too much.
Pretty much. The Whole NW I think.
Looks like limited availability now. Doesn't look like they have it at Wallmart of Fred Meyers. Who on here has never heard of Fred Meyers? I talked to a product rep in CA recently, and he said he'd never heard of Fred Meyers. I thought everybody on the W. coast at least had heard of it.
You have the same somewhat incriminating emails? Those guys need to get nailed. This is a worst-case story here. They turned $2K into $10, and it was all their fault.
Wasn't there a lawsuit here? I have evidence of foul play.
Does 2000 accounts, as they said, mean that those 2000 stores have it for sure? They said the same about BevCo. and Apple Rush last spring, but I don't think 2000 accounts got filled even between the two co.'s. I'd rather eventually hear how many accounts are filled rather than just the possibility of.
I want bumper stickers. I had considered spending a couple of hundred dollars on bumper stickers last fall. Actually, if a few people go into distributorships they could order stickers for all and save a lot of $. Maybe HFBV already gives stickers w/ the promo package though.
What the heck dude? I have no reason not to believe my source, but go ahead. She is a REAL person, but maybe not as much of a real friend as yours is. I did not mean to say that there was no reason to get more confirmation. Get pics too. This has always been this way. For some reason a large % of the representation/proof of distribution has come from outside the Co. Maybe your friend could get a census on what stores are selling more Dogg than the other brands as well. That would be worth knowing. Thanks man. Keep up the good work.
That's odd. They usually raise the ask after close. Maybe they will still do that. Keep checking.